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 ok, i installed my first ubp touch on a nexus 5 couple of days ago and damn.. could not be happier! everything works, the interface is smooth and everything is overall better than i expected. thank you! this has huge potential.
[02:18] <hallyn> meh - libertine-create-container keeps failing after awhile, this time "failure install apt-transport-https'
 @Taekky [ok, i installed my first ubp touch on a nexus 5 couple of days ago and damn.. co …], We are glad to hear it :) Enjoy!
[02:48] <cc> 。。。
[02:48] <cc> :<
[03:13] <hallyn> proot warning: sanitizing the guest path (binding) "/run/shm": Too many levels of symbolic links
[03:13] <hallyn> haven't seen that in a long time
[03:17] <cc> hallyn: hello
[03:17] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/d2/9c75961b18091d1f799a24fb3b4bc05ab80f08.png
[03:17] <cc> is that correct?
[03:20] <hallyn> cc: yes, unfortunately.
[03:24] <cc> hallyn: why still cant connect ubports....
[03:27] <cc> does the systerm "ubuntu 15.04(OTA-15)"really can update by ubports?
[03:27] <cc> is there any other way to update?
[03:30] <hallyn> cc: others have said no, so I suspect not;  although on any normal system I would expect you to basically be able to change the 'channel' from which updates come.
[03:31] <hallyn> cc: if you go to any big trade shows, you might see about meeting any of the ubports developers at one...
[03:31] <hallyn> Try one thing,
[03:31] <hallyn> go to the settings program,
[03:32] <cc> settings program?
[03:32] <hallyn> shoot i can't find it now, but earlier today i ran into a 'usb debugging' option which was disabled;  after enabling it, i was able to 'adb shell' to my phone
[03:33] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/3c/8679691efae2c3b30fadce4ea286ef65451bb7.png
[03:33] <cc> is that mean my "adb "is right?
[03:34] <hallyn> that's a screen in windows?
[03:34] <hallyn> I don't think that means adb is right, no
[03:34] <cc> yes
[03:35] <cc> er...
[03:36] <cc> so the way to esure that is on "cmd"? like that https://img.vim-cn.com/16/f8e316099d393148e902b7053ca59f0cf76140.png
[03:36] <hallyn> right, adb devices should show it
[03:37] <hallyn> since it doesn't, i think there is a setting on the phone that needs to be changed
[03:37] <hallyn> oh,
[03:37] <hallyn> open a terminal on the phone,
[03:37] <cc> but ubuntu systerm phone has no setting about it
[03:37] <hallyn> in the application launcher is there a 'terminal'?
[03:38] <hallyn> try running 'android-gadget-service enable adb' on the phone if so
[03:43] <cc> er.bad news. i have try reset all on my phone yesterday.and now i cant download terminal from ubuntu shop...
[03:44] <cc> beacuse the systerm is totototo old...
[03:55] <hallyn> wow that's unfortunate
[03:57] <hallyn> maybe you can find the actual package file, download it, and install it through a filemanager?
[03:58] <cc> i've try
[03:58] <cc> but no tool can install it
[03:58] <cc> even i download a file mangerment
[03:58] <cc> also no tool to install
[04:09] <hallyn> are you sure?
[04:09] <hallyn> seems like the tool to install it must be there as a core tool, it's just a question of whether you can trigger it
 I want a fairphone3, a librem 5 or a pine phone very badly
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[04:23] <cc> i'm sure that
[04:23] <cc> i cant install any app
[04:23] <cc> now
[04:25] <cc> i just download app from web on phone ,and then i choose install,and then it told me no tool for install
[04:26] <cc> "sorry,there aren't currently any apps installed that can handle this type of content"
 @Christopher [I want a fairphone3, a librem 5 or a pine phone very badly], Fairphone 3 with Ubuntu touch is my fave option!
 me too
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Fairphone 3 with Ubuntu touch is my fave option!], the Android 9 base for it might make porting really difficult for it though - guess we'll see once UBports team can actually get their hands on one
 if this xperia x port goes well... I would like an xperia as well … https://twitter.com/fredldotme/status/1164696854770147328
 it looks like he has the important parts working
[04:38] <cc> how can i do..............
 @cc [i just download app from web on phone ,and then i choose install,and then it tol …], What type of app are you trying to install.  Unless you are using Anbox (for Android app compatibility, which is still in alpha state) - then only app installers that are in click format (for UT native apps, or UT webapps) or in armhf deb format (
[04:39] <ubptgbot> for desktop apps used in a Libertine container).  The easiest way to find apps which will work well in UT is to just use the Open Store.
 @cc [i just download app from web on phone ,and then i choose install,and then it tol …], [Edit] What type of app are you trying to install?  Unless you are using Anbox (for Android app compatibility, which is still in alpha state) - then only app installers that are in click format (for UT native apps, or UT webapps) or in armhf deb f
[04:39] <ubptgbot> ormat (for desktop apps used in a Libertine container).  The easiest way to find apps which will work well in UT is to just use the Open Store.
 [Edit] it looks like he has the important parts working … https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/98
[04:39] <gitbot> Halium issue 98 in projectmanagement "[device-port] [suzu] Sony Xperia X" [Ports, Open]
 @cc [i just download app from web on phone ,and then i choose install,and then it tol …], [Edit] What type of app are you trying to install?  Unless you are using Anbox (for Android app compatibility, which is still in alpha state) - then only app installers that are in click format (for UT native apps, or UT webapps) or in armhf deb f
[04:39] <ubptgbot> ormat (for desktop apps used in a Libertine container) work.  The easiest way to find apps which will work well in UT is to just use the Open Store.
[04:41] <cc> no,any app or anything ,all cant install on this phone,because of Ubuntu 15.04 OAT-15 is toooo old
[04:41] <cc> even the web app
[04:41] <cc> all cant be install or use
[04:42] <cc> when i touch it to install,it told me that "sorry,there aren't currently any apps installed that can handle this type of content"
[04:44] <hallyn> cc: :( ok, so it's going to have to be done over usb.  we just need to find someone who knows how to fix the phone not showing up
[04:45] <cc> yeah all these question was on point, the old systerm should be upgrade
[04:45] <cc> and the first question is adb cause the connect question on ubports
[05:05] <cc> oh,it change
[05:05] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/c5/8256ff97545b27d7fa4f59d06c9bbdae38679f.png
 That looks like a device!
[05:32] <cc> ！
[05:32] <cc> but er ...
[05:33] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/f9/48d43fe42c6843954fa6956f9b10c5a0e5800a.png
[05:51] <hallyn> cc: well stop and restart the installer?
[05:51] <cc> many times
[05:52] <cc> always that
[05:53] <cc> sad tears ;^;
 @barabadzhi [Is anyone with frieza here? Does anbox work for you?], Hey, if nobody answered yet to you means probably noboby knows the answer for any reason. Is the frieza device the BQ tablet? However, anbox is an experimental feature and on other devices it has some pros and a lot of cons up to now (for instance battery drain increase
[06:24] <ubptgbot>  and app not perfectly working as expected). I think the same applies to your device.
[06:29] <cc> should i type all these commonds?
[06:29] <cc> it's so many
[06:30] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/73/bac3240777c9d736aa2990b5be05ca117a2eda.png
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @cc [always that], I think you are supposed to click Select Device Manually.
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Also try unplugging and replugging the cable.
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Try various cables too.
 @mattbel10 yes it is. The last time I tried it was not working for me. And sadly I need some android apps. Ex. Firefox. Or maybe linux version of Firefox is working/usable?
[06:33] <cc> i change many usb cables
[06:33] <cc> it's not work
[06:33] <cc> the select device is no device
[06:33] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/8c/549802334bc22e768f6de8252e6856abef59ac.png
 @barabadzhi [@mattbel10 yes it is. The last time I tried it was not working for me. And sadly …], Oh ok, sorry then I don't have the details to further help you. By the way, Firefox can somewhat work in a Libertine container. Somebody posted here before the instruction on how to do that...let me try to have a search for you in here
 @TotalSonic [Firefox runs very poorly in UT currently.  Instructions on how to install it are …], @barabadzhi ^^^this
 @mattbel10 👍
 In regards to anbox for your device, did you try to search into the UBports Forum? There you could find some information
 @malditobastardo [You can also try by using one the outlook webapps available in the openstore], A very late thanks! The 'Outlook for Office365' webapp is the only one I see, correct? And it doesn't work (email address not recognizes at login screen). But by cleaning the application data I got Morph to work. And meanwhile also Dekko
[08:28] <ubptgbot> 2 is working after a reinstall and reconfigure.
 @TotalSonic [I don't have an Outlook account so I can't confirm if that is all correct but I …], Thanks! I guess the server config changed recently at MS side. The new SMTP server name is smtp.office365.com and encryption START
 u
 @TotalSonic [I don't have an Outlook account so I can't confirm if that is all correct but I …], So, I was saying: indeed the SMTP server name had changed recently as well as its encryption type (noe STARTTLS). I delete all config with the tweak tool, the re-installed Dekko2, and then set up the account again using the generic IMAP
[08:45] <ubptgbot> menu item (Outlook menu item createa wrong config and post-setup config correction didn't seem to fix anything). Now all works fine (previously it crashed when replying or forwarding and new mails -understandably- never got sent out).
 @dad_and_alive [A very late thanks! The 'Outlook for Office365' webapp is the only one I see, co …], That suck but well. It happens
 Glad to know you found a solution
 @cc [the select device is no device], Try running installer as admin instead of regular user
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 I am reallly like Ubuntu Touch, but, unfortunatelly have to live with android because there is no mobile banking clients apps and logistic operator's mobile apps that i need and use every day. But i am relly want to try Ubutu on my phone.
 Maybe there is exists a possibility to transfer or run android apps inside Ubuntu Touch?
 @Advio_cto [Maybe there is exists a possibility to transfer or run android apps inside Ubunt …], See here but its still very alpha :) https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 @Flohack [See here but its still very alpha :) https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguid …], Thank you. Will watch for their progress and when it will be in rc stage, will try.
 Basically nowadays if you don't have a cell phone you can't have a bank account right ?
 @malditobastardo [Basically nowadays if you don't have a cell phone you can't have a bank account …], I still have one with SMS TANs. So its possible but hard to get
 I will complain with my bank soon since they want to shut this down
 They are greedy and dont ant to buy everyone a smartcard reader with PIN entry keybad which is the only real reliable thingie
 All this mTAN photoTAN etc is still not 100% secure but they balance the risk vs costs
 Its much cheaper to sometimes pay for lost money than to run it like a real fortress ;)
 Holy crap. Que are doomed with this much technology dependency
 [Edit] Holy crap. We are doomed with this much technology dependency
 I feel bad for these older people who never used a phone
 @malditobastardo [Basically nowadays if you don't have a cell phone you can't have a bank account …], Ofcourse not, but, nowdays some banks even dont have phisical offices and website only for information, all services provides though mobile banking client, take look at monobank.
 @malditobastardo [Basically nowadays if you don't have a cell phone you can't have a bank account …], [Edit] Ofcourse not, but, nowdays some banks even don't have phisical offices and website only for information, all services provides though mobile banking client, take look at monobank.
 It's future
 I removed online access to the accounts at one bank that only supports mTAN.  The other bank has photoTAN with a dedicated single use device.
 But for the realy scure storage and transfer of wealth I have Trezor / Ledger/ Keepkey.
 @malditobastardo [I feel bad for these older people who never used a phone], Best custumers. The bank will have their money already. So it won't matter. 😱
 Oh f... my life! They offer an alternative without smartphone but it only works with Windows 10! lulz
 How secure is it then when I am doing the transaction on the very same PC where their TAN App is running lolol
 @TotalSonic [the Android 9 base for it might make porting really difficult for it though - gu …], Yeah,  it's really unfortunate that the ubports team wasn't sent any Dev kits either.
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 @Advio_cto [Ofcourse not, but, nowdays some banks even don't have phisical offices and websi …], Yeah i know. And they give you crappy customer service via phone or email. If there is a real issue with your account you are f*
 Like everything else nowadays
 The “future“
 @malditobastardo [Yeah i know. And they give you crappy customer service via phone or email. If th …], You are not right, i am very satisfied with monobank service. Support via phone or telegram - very quick and responsive.
 It's the best bank expirience for nowdays
 mmm, https://t.me/UBportsOF for complaining about banks please ;)
 luckily my bank's native app and webapp is almost the same...now back to the topic please 😝
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 @dad_and_alive [So, I was saying: indeed the SMTP server name had changed recently as well as it …], great that you fnally figured it out!  I think you will find that Dekko 2, once it is setup correctly, is actually a decent app - and hopefully this weekend's hackathon for it will help to bring fixes for many of its remaining issues.
 @TotalSonic [great that you fnally figured it out!  I think you will find that Dekko 2, once …], YES
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 Hi I have a Nokia 6.1 plus and want to test the Ubuntutouch, how do I do ??
 Is not a supported device
 @Gus195_G [Hi I have a Nokia 6.1 plus and want to test the Ubuntutouch, how do I do ??], start here - http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 Can not compile an unofficial version ??
 you can if you want
 although probably not, since i think that's a windows phone
 Nokia 6.1 plus is not, but outside of Halium's reach
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 Bitcoin bot
 great to see another alternative media player posted in the Open Store - so far `UrPlayer` seems to be able to play all the video formats that the core Media Player can do - plus I was able to play one test sample avi file I have (but not another ) which Media Player is not able to play.  Thanks to Jimmy Lejeune for making this app!
 @TotalSonic [great to see another alternative media player posted in the Open Store - so far …], Indeed!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/1s4e6Sb2.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/I5lmu9j8.webp
 Say it with words...
 i've removed your sticker @AlesonMedeiros as they are without context and do not add to any conversation
 @dohbee [i've removed your sticker @AlesonMedeiros as they are without context and do not …], Ok, esxcuse me
 @dohbee [i've removed your sticker @AlesonMedeiros as they are without context and do not …], [Edit] Ok, excuse me
 @TotalSonic [great to see another alternative media player posted in the Open Store - so far …], Thanks you
 is it possible to have more info on unread video? @TotalSonic
 @jimmy_UbunTouch [is it possible to have more info on unread video? @TotalSonic], will send to you later after work
 @TotalSonic [will send to you later after work], Thanks you 👍
 Has anybody tryied to run UT chrooted on any ChromeOS device?
 you cannot
 That is unfortunate
 I report here, maybe some developer will be interested: "I have an idea to solve this issue and keep the horizontal gestures of the apps: reduce the active area of the gesture to, for example, a third of the screen on the x axis, centered. So if you want to activate the Teleport gesture, you put the finger in the centre of the screen and
[21:25] <ubptgbot> swipe left or right, and if you want instead to use the system wise side swipe, you start from the side corners. I believe this could be a good way to solve this problem keeping the current behaviour compatible with the side swipe" … This comment is referred to the conflict between the ListItems of the toolkit and the system wise side swipe. Let me
[21:25] <ubptgbot>  know what do you think and if it's feasible
 I am referring to this gestures: https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/teleports/uploads/67e2e56b4a5a1ebaabc268937d1b7920/screenshot20190811_214757975.png
 Reducing the area is not sensible in terms of ux design and accessibility. The area must be as large as sensible. See Fitts Law
 I reckon 1/3 of the screen it's sensible
 Anyway, this is only an idea. Up to you guys to decide
 Indeed you need a bit of practice to come to the right behaviour but it works fo rme
 @Flohack [Indeed you need a bit of practice to come to the right behaviour but it works fo …], perhaps a different way  to get to the same goal would be to make two fingers or more on the screen allow vertical scrolling only - so that accidental horizontal swipes could be prevented that way
 @Flohack [Indeed you need a bit of practice to come to the right behaviour but it works fo …], [Edit] perhaps a different way  to get to the same goal would be to make two fingers or more on the screen in TELEports allow vertical scrolling only - so that accidental horizontal swipes could be prevented that way