[01:56] good morning to all [05:58] Good morning [07:06] Hello! [07:34] 👋 [07:49] guys, do menus and pop-up menus accept an image bigger than 16x16 pixels? [11:12] Hiyas all [11:15] BluesKaj! Hello! [11:15] >:) [11:15] doing the exercises [11:15] :p [11:15] hi marcoagpinto [14:18] https://news.softpedia.com/news/nvidia-releases-new-linux-graphics-driver-with-many-improvements-and-bug-fixes-527209.shtml [14:19] EoflaOE: UWN material ^ ? === lotus|i5 is now known as lotuspsychje [17:59] man, pivot_root is insane [17:59] I just pivoted the running Ubuntu 16.04 and completely re-imaged it's drive with a new OS [18:01] pivot_root moves the root file system of the current process to the directory put_old and makes new_root the new root file system [18:01] sounds handy leftyfb never used it myself [18:01] it's pretty nuts [18:02] it still had some hold on the drive which prevented me from modifying partitions correctly. I actually removed the drive from the scsi_host and rescanned the bus [18:06] neat [18:11] leftyfb: crazy indeed :) [18:31] whats the deal currently with chromium? is it going snap only or not? i still see apt version too [18:32] I think I heard not until 19.10? [18:32] hi lotuspsychje [18:32] ah [18:32] hey EoflaOE [18:33] lotuspsychje: yeah it looks a bit like that's pushed to eoan but not the earlier releases [18:33] lotuspsychje: How are you doing? [18:34] from +1 Version 76.0.3809.100-0ubuntu1~snap1 (eoan) [20:22] tomreyn: i'm going to guess probably ondrej's openssl is installed too, and afaik the answer after that is "please file a bug report at ondrej's github" [20:56] sarnold: ondrejs openssl would do this then? [20:56] sorry, i only noted this now. [20:56] i assume ondrej's openssl would not behave like a centos one. [21:42] tomreyn: heh, I'm not sure what exactly ondrej's openssl does :( I just know that it seems to cause more trouble than it solves [21:42] tomreyn: maybe the happy users don't come on irc to report that they are happy users.. [21:42] the php bits make perfect sense; we're not offering the variety of versions that he does. but openssl.. sigh [21:49] i think the issue here was the virtuozzo hosting provider [21:51] they aparently replaced /usr/lib/ssl's default contents by something they found on a centos system. [21:54] and a user, if they actually knew their trusted CAs was set / overridden that way it, could only fix it by mounting some other directory over this non-writable vtzfs (virtuozzo deduping file system) location. [21:54] sarnold: ^ [21:55] vps (in the containers, not proper virtualization sense) are just bad, people should no longer rent them [21:56] tomreyn: *wow* [21:56] tomreyn: what a mess [21:57] yes :-/ [21:57] tomreyn: I know I've seen more than a few of *those* messes as well. "why I can't install security updates?" "tell your provider to boot into a kernel from this year" [21:57] http://dpaste.com/3H50XPT [21:58] hardcoded CAs there, provided by hosting provider [21:58] *hardwired [21:59] huh, can't move the directory: http://dpaste.com/0S7Y4RS [22:01] hmm, / is a "vzfs" mount which apparently is a virtual fs type that allows sharing between containers [22:01] tomreyn: openvz [22:03] proper VMs are cheap now, 3 usd / month, there's really no need for doing this to oneself anymore. [22:04] no kidding [22:05] it's one thing to use containers *yourself* as a density thing [22:05] but to have them done *to* you feels pretty mean [22:05] I think my irssi aws instance is about that, three-ish bucks a month. it'll never win performance awards but it's cheap :D [22:05] yes, especially the way cheap hosts do them to you [22:09] aws is more expensive, i think t2.nano on demand is 4.17 USD/month [22:10] others got double resources for half the price [22:13] oh yes? :) I'm by no means wedded to aws, I just happened to have an account there when I needed this thing on short notice.. [22:15] cx11 (default / shared cpu) is said to be very good: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=gb [22:16] they dont seem to actually share those cores, yet [22:17] and you can probably save 20% vat on it soon, too :-/ [22:17] US here, no VAT :) [22:18] I'm not used to seeing english on hetzner pages, hah [22:18] oh, i was thinking you were in uk [22:18] maybe the ping is bad then [22:18] yeah, it wouldn't be anyuwhere near as nice as I've got now [22:19] azure is also a lot cheaper than aws [22:19] sigh aws drops icmp. [22:20] you forgot to buy premium traffic. [22:20] lol [22:20] itmight be configurable .. but finding out would take time that doesn't *really* help anything :) [22:20] yes, it really exist [22:20] oh you mean icmp may be configurable, not sure there [22:21] maybe the firewall prolicies, yes [22:22] yeah [22:22] how about https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/ [22:22] i.e. canada [22:23] iirc stgraber uses them [22:23] dedicated server starting at 5 usd ;) [22:32] those look pretty good. thanks tomreyn :) [22:34] sarnold: make sure you also read the TOS, though. kimsufi is OVH's lowest support level. "ask in forum" [22:34] ouch [22:34] granted I almost never *need* support [22:35] but if I needed it going to a forum doesn't sound fun :) [22:35] they do handle those requests, but it can take a day or two to have a hdd replaced [22:38] hmm actually they have a control panel there now, so maybe my info is outdated [22:38] yes they have request ticketing now. [22:39] yay