[01:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:58] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:06] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[07:34] <lordievader> 👋
[07:49] <marcoagpinto> guys, do menus and pop-up menus accept an image bigger than 16x16 pixels?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj! Hello!
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> doing the exercises
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> :p
[11:15] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[14:18] <lotus|i5> https://news.softpedia.com/news/nvidia-releases-new-linux-graphics-driver-with-many-improvements-and-bug-fixes-527209.shtml
[14:19] <lotus|i5> EoflaOE: UWN material ^ ?
[17:59] <leftyfb> man, pivot_root is insane
[17:59] <leftyfb> I just pivoted the running Ubuntu 16.04 and completely re-imaged it's drive with a new OS
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> pivot_root moves the root file system of the current process to the directory put_old and makes new_root the new root file system
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> sounds handy leftyfb never used it myself
[18:01] <leftyfb> it's pretty nuts
[18:02] <leftyfb> it still had some hold on the drive which prevented me from modifying partitions correctly. I actually removed the drive from the scsi_host and rescanned the bus
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> neat
[18:11] <sarnold> leftyfb: crazy indeed :)
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> whats the deal currently with chromium? is it going snap only or not? i still see apt version too
[18:32] <leftyfb> I think I heard not until 19.10?
[18:32] <EoflaOE> hi lotuspsychje
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> ah
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOE
[18:33] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: yeah it looks a bit like that's pushed to eoan but not the earlier releases
[18:33] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: How are you doing?
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> from +1  Version 76.0.3809.100-0ubuntu1~snap1 (eoan)
[20:22] <sarnold> tomreyn: i'm going to guess probably ondrej's openssl is installed too, and afaik the answer after that is "please file a bug report at ondrej's github"
[20:56] <tomreyn> sarnold: ondrejs openssl would do this then?
[20:56] <tomreyn> sorry, i only noted this now.
[20:56] <tomreyn> i assume ondrej's openssl would not behave like a centos one.
[21:42] <sarnold> tomreyn: heh, I'm not sure what exactly ondrej's openssl does :( I just know that it seems to cause more trouble than it solves
[21:42] <sarnold> tomreyn: maybe the happy users don't come on irc to report that they are happy users..
[21:42] <sarnold> the php bits make perfect sense; we're not offering the variety of versions that he does. but openssl.. sigh
[21:49] <tomreyn> i think the issue here was the virtuozzo hosting provider
[21:51] <tomreyn> they aparently replaced /usr/lib/ssl's default contents by something they found on a centos system.
[21:54] <tomreyn> and a user, if they actually knew their trusted CAs was set / overridden that way it, could only fix it by mounting some other directory over this non-writable vtzfs (virtuozzo deduping file system) location.
[21:54] <tomreyn> sarnold: ^
[21:55] <tomreyn> vps (in the containers, not proper virtualization sense) are just bad, people should no longer rent them
[21:56] <sarnold> tomreyn: *wow*
[21:56] <sarnold> tomreyn: what a mess
[21:57] <tomreyn> yes :-/
[21:57] <sarnold> tomreyn: I know I've seen more than a few of *those* messes as well. "why I can't install security updates?" "tell your provider to boot into a kernel from this year"
[21:57] <tomreyn> http://dpaste.com/3H50XPT
[21:58] <tomreyn> hardcoded CAs there, provided by hosting provider
[21:58] <tomreyn> *hardwired
 huh, can't move the directory: http://dpaste.com/0S7Y4RS
 hmm, / is a "vzfs" mount which apparently is a virtual fs type that allows sharing between containers
 tomreyn: openvz
[22:03] <tomreyn> proper VMs are cheap now, 3 usd / month, there's really no need for doing this to oneself anymore.
[22:04] <sarnold> no kidding
[22:05] <sarnold> it's one thing to use containers *yourself* as a density thing
[22:05] <sarnold> but to have them done *to* you feels pretty mean
[22:05] <sarnold> I think my irssi aws instance is about that, three-ish bucks a month. it'll never win performance awards but it's cheap :D
[22:05] <tomreyn> yes, especially the way cheap hosts do them to you
[22:09] <tomreyn> aws is more expensive, i think t2.nano on demand is 4.17 USD/month
[22:10] <tomreyn> others got double resources for half the price
[22:13] <sarnold> oh yes? :) I'm by no means wedded to aws, I just happened to have an account there when I needed this thing on short notice..
[22:15] <tomreyn> cx11 (default / shared cpu) is said to be very good: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=gb
[22:16] <tomreyn> they dont seem to actually share those cores, yet
[22:17] <tomreyn> and you can probably save 20% vat on it soon, too :-/
[22:17] <sarnold> US here, no VAT :)
[22:18] <sarnold> I'm not used to seeing english on hetzner pages, hah
[22:18] <tomreyn> oh, i was thinking you were in uk
[22:18] <tomreyn> maybe the ping is bad then
[22:18] <sarnold> yeah, it wouldn't be anyuwhere near as nice as I've got now
[22:19] <tomreyn> azure is also a lot cheaper than aws
[22:19] <sarnold> sigh aws drops icmp.
[22:20] <tomreyn> you forgot to buy premium traffic.
[22:20] <sarnold> lol
[22:20] <sarnold> itmight be configurable .. but finding out would take time that doesn't *really* help anything :)
[22:20] <tomreyn> yes, it really exist
[22:20] <tomreyn> oh you mean icmp may be configurable, not sure there
[22:21] <tomreyn> maybe the firewall prolicies, yes
[22:22] <sarnold> yeah
[22:22] <tomreyn> how about https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/
[22:22] <tomreyn> i.e. canada
[22:23] <sarnold> iirc stgraber uses them
[22:23] <tomreyn> dedicated server starting at 5 usd ;)
[22:32] <sarnold> those look pretty good. thanks tomreyn :)
[22:34] <tomreyn> sarnold: make sure you also read the TOS, though. kimsufi is OVH's lowest support level. "ask in forum"
[22:34] <sarnold> ouch
[22:34] <sarnold> granted I almost never *need* support
[22:35] <sarnold> but if I needed it going to a forum doesn't sound fun :)
[22:35] <tomreyn> they do handle those requests, but it can take a day or two to have a hdd replaced
[22:38] <tomreyn> hmm actually they have a control panel there now, so maybe my info is outdated
[22:38] <tomreyn> yes they have request ticketing now.
[22:39] <sarnold> yay