[02:06] <bray90820> so on my dual monitor setup apps seem to open on the wrong monitor
[02:08] <IcemanV9> bray90820: it is possible you close the app on the wrong monitor; it will open there
[02:10] <jilocasin> evening everyone
[02:11] <doug16k> blows my mind how quickly people close IRC after asking a question
[02:11] <doug16k> they must be paying a lot per minute for IRC access :P
[02:11] <jilocasin> I'm not sure if I should ask this here, or in the Java channel, so here goes: running 18.04LTS; how do I set a *manually* installed jdk to be the DEFAULT one?
[02:11] <doug16k> it's a shame that computers can only run one program at a time in 2019
[02:12] <jilocasin> doug16K: perhaps they don't have all that much memory, or maybe they are using an IRC App on their phone.
[02:14] <doug16k> hopefully they have a good reason to disconnect immediately. on phone wireless internet would be a legitimate reason I suppose
[02:17] <OerHeks> !java
[02:17] <OerHeks> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[02:21] <jilocasin> OerJeks: nice thought, but no dice. :(
[02:22] <pcworld> Does do-release-upgrade preview which packages will be removed/installed before going through with it?
[02:24] <OerHeks> jilocasin, should work, what is wrong?
[02:25] <OerHeks> pcworld, no, i don't hink so
[02:25] <pcworld> hmm any way I can do it? I want to make sure it doesn't mess up my system too much
[02:25] <pcworld> like in Debian, I could switch the sources.list and then do a dry run with apt
[02:26] <OerHeks> wait, for a distro upgrade?
[02:26] <pcworld> yes
[02:26] <OerHeks> grinn
[02:26] <OerHeks> make a fresh usb with the iso, the do release upgrade and have fun
[02:27] <pcworld> what does running it from a live system change vs running it directly on the OS?
[02:27] <jilocasin> OerHeks:  Package openjdk-7-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[02:27] <OerHeks> openjdk7 ?? man that is way old
[02:28] <jilocasin> OerHeks:  So I installed the latest 1.7 from tar.jz
[02:28] <IcemanV9> only 8 or 11 openjdk available
[02:28] <jilocasin> OerHeks:  Works fine, but I can't seem to get Ubuntu re recognize it as the DEFAULT jdk/jre
[02:28] <OerHeks> good luck, not supported here, jilocasin
[02:29] <IcemanV9> 8 instead of 11 should be close enough to 7 ??
[02:29] <jilocasin> OerHeks: so how would you make _any_ manually installed jdk (regardless of version) the default one?
[02:29] <OerHeks> i am not going to find out why it is not in a %path%  or something, useless as it is EOL
[02:31] <jilocasin> OerHeks: unfortunately there is still plenty of code the requires it.
[02:37] <OerHeks> jilocasin, no there is no legal base for using openjdk7, certainly not outside the repos.
[02:37] <OerHeks> i hope that machine is not online
[02:41] <lotuspsychje> oO
[02:42] <jilocasin> OerHeks: behind a couple of others, but yes, indirectly.
[03:17] <abclove> hello, how can i install ‘python usb’ and ‘libusb’?
[03:17] <OerHeks> !info python-usb
[03:17] <OerHeks> it is in universe
[03:18] <OerHeks> !info libusb-1.0
[03:18] <abclove> OerHeks: it is preinstalled already?
[03:18] <OerHeks> optional, both
[03:18] <abclove> oh how can i install it?
[03:18] <abclove> then?
[03:19] <OerHeks> sudo apt install <package>  or use synaptic, more detailed softwarecenter gui
[03:19] <abclove> lol i don’t know package name :(
[03:20] <OerHeks> i gave them, see ubottu
[03:20] <OerHeks> how hard can this be..
[03:55] <Bray90820> so my apps seem to be opening on the wrong monitor with my dual monitor setup
[04:06] <pragmaticenigma> Bray90820: So move the application to the window that you want to use them on? Most applications will either start on the monitor that current has the focus of the mouse; of if the application supports it, the application will re-open on the monitor it was last displayed on.
[04:07] <OerHeks> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man1/devilspie.1.html
[04:18] <Bray90820> pragmaticenigma: that's now what's happening it seems like most of the time apps open on the secondary monitor whoch I don't really want because most of the time that monitor is off
[04:53] <jilocasin> bye all
[05:37] <Keres> hi
[05:37] <Keres> anyone arround?
[05:40] <Keres> i need some help running a command as a second user when logged in as my main user
[05:40] <Keres> i am trying to run 2 instances of a sound app that creates a config file
[05:40] <Keres> i need 2 different configs
[05:41] <Keres> i can run the second instance as root just fine, but i dont think that's kosher
[05:43] <doug16k> Keres, sudo -u usernamehere commandhere
[05:43] <doug16k> or to just get an interactive prompt, sudo -u usernamehere -i
[05:43] <doug16k> oh, needs -H to set home dir
[05:44] <Keres> so sudo -u user2 -H ~/user2 command ?
[05:44] <doug16k> no no, just -H no ~/user2
[05:44] <doug16k> it sets home dir to user2's home
[05:45] <doug16k> sudo -u user2 -H command
[05:46] <doug16k> you may want to just spawn a shell as user2: sudo -u user2 -Hi
[05:46] <Keres> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:466:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: Permission deniedsnd_seq_open() error -13: Permission denied
[05:47] <Keres> now, if i su root, the app runs perfectly
[05:47] <Keres> and creates a different .ini file in the /root folder
[05:47] <doug16k> ah, because user2 doesn't have permission to open the sound device, because it isn't user2's desktop
[05:47] <Keres> right
[05:48] <Keres> and this is all about sound devices and MIDI
[05:48] <doug16k> you can try sudo chmod a+rw /dev/snd/seq
[05:48] <doug16k> then run that again, should grant user2 permission
[05:49] <Keres> well there's a ton of things that are 'Permission denied'
[05:49] <Keres> so just that device won't work
[05:50] <Keres> Can't initialize SDL video subsystem: No available video device
[05:50] <Keres> for example
[05:50] <Keres> app uses SDL2
[05:51] <doug16k> all you want to do is change the home dir for some command?
[05:51] <doug16k> HOME=/somewhere/else somecommand
[05:52] <doug16k> and forget user2
[05:53] <doug16k> or, if you want to do lots in a shell with a different home, just: HOME=/some/path bash
[05:54] <doug16k> exit to go back to normal
[05:54] <doug16k> prompt will look funny because bash won't do all the normal things that your real home's config says
[05:55] <doug16k> ~ will be /some/path, `cd` by itself will go home, etc
[05:55] <Keres> none of this is working
[05:56] <Keres> all have weird errors
[05:56] <doug16k> don't ask XY question then, what are you trying to do?
[05:56] <Keres> trying to run 2 copies of sunvox without crashing out of the submodules
[05:57] <Keres> if i edit a metamodule it has conflicts in the config and crashes
[05:57] <Keres> or submodule
[05:58] <Keres> essentially it allows you to store other songs as insturments, but it tracks your last "session" which... if you are using multiple copies it gets confused
[05:59] <Keres> the author seems to think that all i have to do is make 2 folders with independent copies of the app
[05:59] <Keres> but that's not working
[05:59] <doug16k> oh this is a GUI program? good luck with running it as a different user
[06:00] <Keres> yeah, it's a GUI app
[06:00] <Keres> it work as root
[06:00] <doug16k> ya because root kicks the door down when permission is questioned
[06:01] <Keres> well thanks, i will take it up with the author
[08:38] <ph88> hello. i try to install Lubuntu but the live CD is not continueing to start in the synology VM .. what can i do ??
[08:49] <guiverc2> ph88, did you verify the ISO checksum?  (there is a check disc for defects option on the first menu that easily allows for this)
[08:58] <ph88> guiverc2 . i thought that was for the local harddisk
[10:00] <abdulhakeem> Suppose I have a folder with a bunch of video files, and I want to extract the audio from all the video files and create audio files out of them. What's the best way to do that?
[10:01] <Ben64> depends on the file type
[10:01] <abdulhakeem> theyre all mp4s and I want to extract mp3s ideally
[10:05] <Ben64> check out MP4Box
[10:54] <_Sean_> anyone here good with Preseeds?  I'm an old rpm guy having to move to the dark side for a bit.  I've got a decent preseed that will go from start to finish for a fairly base install but am getting kicked now that i've moved over to building in full disk encryption - anyone have some working 18.04 examples that they might be willing to share?
[10:56] <_Sean_> i've gotten the installer to actually finish, prompts for encryption key, and completes but the drive isn't bootable - haven't dug into it yet, pretty much left it at that last night
[11:09] <_KaszpiR_> _Sean_ something like:
[11:09] <_KaszpiR_> d-i partman-crypto/passphrase string my-preseed-luks-pass
[11:09] <_KaszpiR_> d-i partman-crypto/passphrase-again string my-preseed-luks-pass
[11:10] <cluelessperson> I'm in the middle of configuring a new build environment
[11:20] <_Sean_> yeah, i think i might have broke the boundaries of available disk - hopefully that's all it is, will be a bit before i can dig into it
[11:29] <_KaszpiR_> yeah partitions + luks on debian/ubuntu is a bit panful
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:51] <jim> testing something... pardon my dust, won't be long
[11:52] <jim> that's it... cheers
[12:02] <_Sean_> lol, well, i definitely broke the boundaries and I rewrote a grub install to /dev/sda at the very end - hopefully that clears it up
[12:04] <_Sean_> well, removed the silly grub install, that is
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> _Sean_: we hear good things about cubic
[12:10] <_Sean_> ahh nifty, iĺl have to check that out
[12:11] <_Sean_> server only, or also desktop/ubiquity/casper?
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> _Sean_: think its to edit any ubuntu iso
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> _Sean_: we dont officially support cubic though, so youre a bit on your own :p
[12:12] <_Sean_> well, i'm not using it so no worries there ;)
[12:12] <_Sean_> if it's just to edit the iso, i can do that without any flashy wrappers
[12:13] <_Sean_> and yeah, watching their marketing vid, it looks like all it does is add in pre-deploy pkg mgmts
[12:13] <gebbione> just upgraded to 18.04 and displays are not detected. Trying to install the radeon drivers gives me ... The following packages have unmet dependencies. -> amdgpu-lib32 : Depends: mesa-amdgpu-vdpau-drivers:i386 (= 1:19.2.0-855429) -> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.>>>>> I installed mesa following http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2018/05/install-mesa-18-0-4-ubuntu-18-04-lts/ but I am
[12:13] <gebbione> still stuck with the error
[12:13] <gebbione> any idea?
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> gebbione: did you add external ppa's to your system?
[12:14] <gebbione> yes, that article suggests to -> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/updates
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> gebbione: we dont support the add of external ppa's, did amdgpu not load from stock ubuntu?
[12:15] <gebbione> not sure how to correctly answer that, ie the driver is incorrect after install. but also i dont see additional drivers if I look at Software and Updates
[12:16] <_Sean_> also, and out of curiosity - why mention a tool if it's not supported (@cubic) --
[12:16] <elkc1f> hi
[12:16] <elkc1f> i'd like to have my own option when i right-click
[12:16] <elkc1f> how do i do this? (desktop/gui directory)
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> _Sean_: because some packages are handy, just widen your options/choice
[12:21] <gebbione> lotuspsychje, any ideas on how to fix that dependency problem?
[12:24] <_Sean_> huzzah - luks and a reboot, one problem down, 30 to go
[12:25] <_Sean_> and sry, not I gebbione -- i'd just pull out a big hammer - i was never a .deb guy in my day -- but that mesa depend seems to not be the same as the mesa you likely got from your link.  if i had to wager a plan of attack - get rid of all (radeon/mesa) and start over using a guide that follows standard repos -- or from vendor specific, depending on what you need/want
[12:32] <clover4> Hey, just tried to run Ubuntu. First time I booted from the USB, it got stuck at three dots. Rebooted, and it did something completely different. Got a bunch of errors on the console after the 5 dots. What's going on? https://imgur.com/a/bLUi0Bg
[12:34] <clover4> I made the usb like: dd if=ubuntu-18.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M && sync
[12:37] <Chunkyz> if an app is installed with snap, where is the config file for the said app located?
[12:42] <clover4> Well, I don't know guys. My Thinkpad has a security chip in the bios that I set to "Disabled". Restarted again, and Ubuntu got stuck at the "keyboard = human" picture. Rebooted again, and I got a much nicer looking screen asking if I want to try or install Ubuntu. Selected try, and it worked. Pretty strange I booted the USB 4 times and got 4 different results. I guess it was the security chip?
[12:45] <clover4> Does the live Ubuntu not come with zfs? I want to make sure I can access my other hard drive before I overwrite my old Linux install
[12:45] <clover4> How can I install zfs or get a live Ubuntu with zfs?
[12:46] <clover4> I can't even do sudo su
[12:46] <clover4> Or sudo apt-cache bla bla
[12:46] <clover4> I think I need to connec to Wi-fi
[12:48] <clover4> Wow, try to click "Wi-fi settings" and I get "Sorry, Ubuntu 18.04 has experienced an internal error..."
[12:48] <clover4> I though this distro was like the most jank-free Linux distro
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> clover4: easy on the enter button please
[12:49] <clover4> Click details and it says "ExecutablePath /usr/bin/gnome-calendar" Not sure what that has to do with Wi-fi
[12:50] <clover4> lotuspsychje OK sorry
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> clover4: IO errors sound like harddisk damaged sectors
[12:55] <clover4> Hey, sorry. Disconnected. My internet sucks right now
[12:55] <clover4> I thought loop0 is the USB drive. Is it my hard drive with errors?
[12:55] <clover4> And why is the live Ubuntu trying to read my hard drive? It should be reading the USB
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> clover4: whatever is going on IO is mostly a bad sign..
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> clover4: how did you create your iso?
[12:59] <clover4> I said that already
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> ah dd right
[12:59] <clover4> I think I'm going to run a HD check and then use Arch
[13:00] <clover4> I remembered the last time I used Ubuntu like 8 years ago it was a PITA to upgrade to a new version. I think I want rolling release anyway
[13:00]  * _Sean_ blinks
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> clover4: ive installed ubuntu on tons of pc's...if you get errors like this could be hardware related
[13:01] <clover4> Well, like I said, I'm going to run a hard disk check. I think I saw the Ubuntu installer has one, so I will try that first
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> clover4: ok good luck
[13:02] <clover4> My laptop is really old too. Installing Linux always seems to go better on desktops
[13:03] <clover4> But can you answer why live Ubuntu would fail if I have a bad hard drive? It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't touch my hard drive
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> clover4: if your laptop is old, try lubuntu or xubuntu to compare
[13:05] <clover4> Man, now I have a different install menu when I run the USB. Like I said, it's a prettier one, but it doesn't have all the options of the text one, including the hard disk check. When I set the security chip in my BIOS to Disabled, it started showing a new menu. wtf
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> clover4: the ubuntu usb stick trys to load things on hardware..if hardware is half broke, the ubuntu setup will also act weird
[13:05] <clover4> What does it try to load?
[13:05] <clover4> How do I get the text menu back?
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> clover4: F1 to textboot
[13:06] <clover4> OK
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> clover4: you can also try a !nomodeset
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | clover4
[13:07] <clover4> F1 worked
[13:07] <clover4> Now I'm going to try "Check disc for defects"
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> clover4: what kind of specs does your system have exactly?
[13:07] <clover4> Er, wtf. I guess "Check disc for defects" means check the USB
[13:07] <clover4> "Check finished: no errors found"
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> clover4: plz dont swear in the support channel
[13:08] <clover4> OK sorry
[13:08] <clover4> Well, I mentioned my laptop is a Thinkpad W520. You can look up the specs
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> clover4: every model has different types
[13:10] <clover4> What do you want to know specifically? I can tell you
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> yes please
[13:10] <clover4> ?
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> the exact type
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> clover4: on lenovo's its also very reccomended to update bios to latest too
[13:11] <clover4> Are you sure there is more than one type of Thinkpad W520?
[13:12] <clover4> I'm trying to look up the specs online and the results I get suggest there is only one
[13:12] <clover4> Oh, nvm. I see more
[13:13] <clover4> Doing a memory test atm
[13:15] <clover4> Man, this baloney is going to take a while I guess
[13:20] <clover4> While I'm waiting, I have a question about Ubuntu. Do Ubuntu versions cap software in the repo at various versions? Is an upgrade of Ubuntu required to use new software, or is the capping only limited to thinks like the Ubuntu desktop environment, etc.?
[13:21] <clover4> I was thinking if I decide to use Ubuntu, can I use it for a long time without upgrading, and still update all my other software?
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> !latest | clover4
[13:22] <clover4> OK, so the versions of everything in the repo are capped unless there is a security fix
[13:22] <clover4> Definitely don't want that
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> clover4: it depends how you choose to use ubuntu, you can also choose for non-lts, aka more latest
[13:23] <clover4> Yeah, I think I want rolling release. Upgrading Ubuntu never went smoothly for me in the past
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> clover4: non-lts versions have higher/newer package versions but support for 9months
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> clover4: LTS supports for 5y + 5y esm
[13:23] <clover4> I want to believe Ubuntu has improved significantly in 8 years
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> clover4: you could discuss that in #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[13:35] <BluesKaj> clover4, ubuntu isn't classified as a rolling release
[13:40] <Keres> good morning
[13:40] <Keres> i need help creating a launcher
[13:40] <Keres> anyone good with shell commands?
[13:40] <EriC^^> !details | Keres
[13:41] <Keres> i need to run a graphical music app
[13:41] <Keres> as a second user
[13:42] <Keres> so i can run 2 copies with seperate home/userx/.config/app/config.ini
[13:42] <Keres> i can do it with a shell by logging in as user2
[13:42] <Keres> and using the sudo command to run the app
[13:43] <Keres> i thought the launcher would be something like sudo -u user2 -H "sudo /home/user2/app"
[13:44] <Keres> but apperantly not
[13:45] <Keres> so what should the shell command say to contain logging in as user2 and running the app with sudo command?
[14:01] <InnerUbuntu> how can I change the default session (Xrog → Wayland) from Terminal? What's the gdm config file?
[14:01] <clover4> Does the Ubuntu iso no longer contain the Disk Utility as per https://askubuntu.com/questions/317241/can-i-use-ubuntu-to-diagnose-hard-drive-or-ram-problems-in-windows
[14:02] <clover4> I searched "Disk Utility" and got no results
[14:02] <clover4> Nevermind. It is just called "Disks" now
[14:05] <clover4> My disk only has one "failed in the past" for "airflow temperature"
[14:07] <ioria> InnerUbuntu,  /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[14:08] <Keres> Sorry guys, Xubuntu power mgmt bug
[14:08] <Keres> anyone see my prior question?
[14:09] <clover4> None of my sectors have been reallocated
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> Keres: if its been a while, please re-ask your question all-in-one-line
[14:09] <InnerUbuntu> aaand what's the Ubuntu Dock config file?
[14:10] <ioria> InnerUbuntu, you mean the Launche bar ?
[14:10] <Keres> i need the proper launcher command for this: sudo -u user2 -H "sudo /home/user2/application"
[14:11] <Keres> log in as user2 and launch the app with sudo
[14:11] <InnerUbuntu> ioria I'm referring to the vertical bar at the left of my screen (I'm on ubuntu 19.04))
[14:12] <ioria> InnerUbuntu, not sure, but it's part of the shell... no config filef (maybe some .css file )
[14:13] <InnerUbuntu> ioria Okk I thought so :c ty
[14:13] <ioria> ok
[14:18] <InnerUbuntu> Ok, how can I know which package 'ubuntu-bug' is part of?
[14:19] <ioria> dpkg -S /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug
[14:19] <clover4> How can I run zfs off the Live USB?
[14:20] <InnerUbuntu> ioria it returns "apport: /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug", unfortunately if I try to remove it using apt, it says "Unable to locate package"
[14:21] <ioria> InnerUbuntu, apt -s remove apport
[14:21] <InnerUbuntu> ohhh what an idiot
[14:21] <InnerUbuntu> thanks
[14:21] <ioria> ok
[14:24] <InnerUbuntu> Last question: how would I tweak the "Connectivity Checking" value (Gnome Settings > Privacy) from the terminal? I've tried using $ gsettings list-keys org.gnome.desktop.privacy but it just doesn't appear there
[14:25] <ioria> clover4, https://www.coolgeeks101.com/howto/infrastructure/zfs-root-ubuntu-luks-encryption-usb-boot/
[14:27] <ioria> InnerUbuntu, https://vitux.com/disable-connectivity-checking-on-ubuntu-for-public-wifi-captive-portals/
[14:29] <InnerUbuntu> Really I've been looking for it for a week, thank youuuuuu my savior
[14:29] <ioria> lol
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | ioria
[14:30] <ioria> lotuspsychje, ^_^
[14:34] <alexandrdvorkin> hi how is everyone
[14:35] <alexandrdvorkin> I am able to but the UBUNTU on MacBook but keyboard and mouse not working
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: what kind of mouse
[14:38] <alexandrdvorkin> the MacBook  keyboard and mouse
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[14:38] <alexandrdvorkin> 18.04.3-desktop-amd64
[14:40] <alexandrdvorkin> ubuntu installed on usb flash drive
[14:41] <alexandrdvorkin> Macbook 2017
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: mouse is apple magic mouse, or a touchpad?
[14:41] <alexandrdvorkin> touchpad built in
[14:42] <alexandrdvorkin> the native MacBook built in touchpad
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> ok
[14:43] <alexandrdvorkin> neither MacBook native keyboard or mouse respond
[14:43] <alexandrdvorkin> correction touchpad
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: is your system up to date to latest?
[14:43] <alexandrdvorkin> the MacBook running Mojave
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: i mean up to date with ubuntu
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: did you install ubuntu or you still in the lie or setup?
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> *live
[14:45] <alexandrdvorkin> i installed the ubuntu on the Flashdrive USB connected via USB-C to MacBook never tried any update
[14:46] <alexandrdvorkin> i am not sure how to skip the GUI ubuntu login so that i can use console and do the update
[14:46] <alexandrdvorkin> because in GUI i can not do anything
[14:47] <catbeard> if you bought a macbook, why install ubuntu?
[14:48] <alexandrdvorkin> wanted to try curious
[14:48] <catbeard> seems like an expensive lesson
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: we dont judge here, if the user wants ubuntu..
[14:48] <catbeard> lotuspsychje: wasn't judging, just saying there's cheaper things to put ubuntu on
[14:48] <ioria> alexandrdvorkin,    https://github.com/cb22/macbook12-spi-driver   : but you need an external keyboard
[14:49] <catbeard> or did you mean you wanted to try ubuntu on mac specifically
[14:50] <alexandrdvorkin> on Mac
[14:51] <catbeard> btw, honest review, i used to LOVE ubuntu, though since latest release, the support for grid-style workspaces went away, and that was really the main draw, and now Windows 10 does it, though even if it didn't, there's VirtuaWin to "get it back"
[14:51] <catbeard> can't have more than 4, or at least there's no control panel to set it to more
[14:51] <catbeard> i'm used to working with 4x4 grid
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: try dconf-editor
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: alot of tweaks for 'workspaces'
[14:52] <catbeard> right but i'm saying the control panel support for it (which previously existed iirc) went away
[14:53] <catbeard> kinda killed productivity
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: open a bug wishlist and ill affect it too, i kind of miss that on my dock too
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: maybe there's a gnome extension out there, but i dont really like those
[14:55] <catbeard> i mean i know how to manually set it, but if i'm trying to sell  mom on ubuntu i can't have her calling me 3 times a day talking about "open Terminal, type sudo dconf-editor, type your password.. (IT'S NOT SHOWING UP) it's not supposed to ma"
[14:56] <catbeard> like you and i know what's going on and why, but mom god bless her soul
[14:56] <clover4> How do I use zfs on the live version of Ubuntu?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: dont you like super+ pgup/pgdown to switch workspaces?
[14:58] <catbeard> lotuspsychje: for me it was Ctrl+Alt+Shift+arrow to drag a window up/down/left/right to a unused workspace, Ctrl+Alt+arrow to move over screens
[14:59] <catbeard> just wish there was a hotkey to "label" the window
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: gnome-tweak-tool has also workspace options, but also no dock icon
[15:00] <catbeard> so i could type like a ticket id and have it show when i move to the screen
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: use ubuntu-bug packagename from terminal plz
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: after you created the bug, i will affect it too
[15:01] <catbeard> or workspace real-estate options for like setting automatic alpha layer transparency if you drag a window from another workspace into your primary workspace
[15:17] <clover4> Got zfs working
[15:18] <clover4> Checked my ram. Checked my HD. Updated my BIOS. I'm just going to try installing Ubuntu now.
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> +1 clover4
[15:19] <clover4> I hope I get the option to use full disk encryption in the normal installer
[15:20] <clover4> Oh yay. I did
[15:22] <FreeBDSM> hello
[15:23] <FreeBDSM> `man kill` tells me that there's -L or --table option to list signals as a table, but invoking it results into `kill: unknown signal: SIGL   kill: type kill -l for a list of signals` or `kill: unknown signal: SIG-TABLE   kill: type kill -l for a list of signals`
[15:23] <FreeBDSM> why is that?
[15:23] <rapidwave> Where is the default oracle_home? I installed WebLogic server and instructions say to use config script under ORACLE_HOME
[15:23] <clover4> I can't say acronyms that contain a curse word, but dudes named "FreeBSDM" can just roll up in here. lol
[15:24] <clover4> I see Ubuntu is getting that Amazon money
[15:24] <FreeBDSM> which?
[15:25] <clover4> Maybe you forgot the dash
[15:25] <clover4> Why don't you use -l like it says
[15:25] <FreeBDSM> -l and -L are different options
[15:26] <clover4> OK. Well it said SIGL. Seems like you forgot the dash
[15:26] <FreeBDSM> nope
[15:26] <clover4> Well I'm installing Ubuntu so I can't check myself. Sorry
[15:26] <FreeBDSM> just learned that kill is a shell built-in, so it's more a #zsh question
[15:27] <clover4> Huh? What does it have to do with zsh?
[15:31] <FreeBDSM> I use zsh
[15:32] <FreeBDSM> and it turns out that zsh introduced shell built-in kill, so I'm reading man page for an external `kill` util, but then invoking zsh's kill :/
[15:32] <clover4> Oh
[15:32] <clover4> You can use which kill
[15:33] <clover4> I don't know where kill is on Ubuntu, I guess maybe /usr/bin. You could run it directly
[15:35] <hggdh> FreeBDSM: you can also run 'env kill'
[15:36] <FreeBDSM> hggdh: what will that do?
[15:37] <FreeBDSM> I just learned about 'command kill'
[15:37] <hggdh> FreeBDSM: will run the binary 'kill' as opposed to the shell's
[15:39] <sdkfzlight> Hi, I'm using Zorin OS, and I'm unable to open the NVIDIA X Server Settings app, it just opens up to a blank screen with no options. I am attempting to access this app due to the fact that my laptop is using my built in video card instead of my NVIDIA GTX 1060, resulting in significant performance loss. Any help is appreciated, thanks.
[15:39] <FreeBDSM> hggdh: TIL env does something more than just echo env vars
[15:40] <Chunkyz> sdkfzlight, ask zorin's irc/forum. this is #ubuntu for ubuntu's OS's.
[15:40] <clover4> What is livepatch
[15:40] <clover4> Do you recommend it?
[15:40] <clover4> The explanation is very vague
[15:40] <sdkfzlight> Zorin is based on Ubuntu, I have the same problem
[16:02] <gebbione> any suggestions on how to fix this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c7MCpsqCf9/
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> gebbione: first ppapurge your external ppa's to get out of dependency issues
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | gebbione
[16:17] <lalitmee> Hey Guys, I am on Linux Mint and I am trying to enable my Nvidia driver but not able to do it
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> !mint | lalitmee
[16:18] <lalitmee> when I do this `sudo lshw -c display` it gives me this https://termbin.com/k5l5
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> we can only support ubuntu & official derivatives lalitmee sorry
[16:18] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: Actually I think you guys can help me with this
[16:18] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: oh then no problem
[16:18] <sdkfzlight> lalitmee I have the exact same problem
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: if you install ubuntu, we can
[16:19] <sdkfzlight> these meanies won't help me
[16:19] <sdkfzlight> Zorin is based off ubuntu
[16:19] <sdkfzlight> Hi, I'm using Zorin OS, and I'm unable to open the NVIDIA X Server Settings app, it just opens up to a blank screen with no options. I am attempting to access this app due to the fact that my laptop is using my built in video card instead of my NVIDIA GTX 1060, resulting in significant performance loss. Any help is appreciated, thanks.
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> sdkfzlight: please dont..
[16:19] <lalitmee> sdkfzlight: Hey No man.. these guys are good
[16:19] <lalitmee> but the thing is you are not on the system what they know
[16:19] <tomreyn> you guys can try in ##linux. or install ubuntu
[16:19] <lalitmee> tomreyn: no problem. we will try
[16:20] <sdkfzlight> im off to dual install ubuntu
[16:33] <ioria> sdkfzlight, probably due to an old version of nvidia-settings
[16:33] <sdkfzlight> ioria i reinstalled it tho
[16:34] <ioria> sdkfzlight, ok, but what's the version ?
[16:34] <sdkfzlight> ioria 418.56-0ubuntu0~gpu18.04.1
[16:35] <sdkfzlight> ioria according to the integrated software inistaller that came with the OS
[16:35] <cognition> Hi, what is better VMware host managed vmtools or vmtools from apt?
[16:35] <ioria> sdkfzlight, apt-cache policy nvidia-settings  | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:37] <sdkfzlight> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/c7c2150419cff515a5bffbc55d2c8f12/pasted.txt
[16:37] <sdkfzlight> ioria
[16:37] <Chunkyz> hmmm
[16:37] <sdkfzlight> ioria nvidia-settings:  Installed: 418.56-0ubuntu0~gpu18.04.1  Candidate: 418.56-0ubuntu0~gpu18.04.1  Version table: *** 418.56-0ubuntu0~gpu18.04.1 500        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/zorinos/drivers/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status     390.77-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 500        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu b
[16:37] <sdkfzlight> ionic-updates/main amd64 Packages     390.42-0ubuntu1 500        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages
[16:38] <Chunkyz> "sdkfzlight, ask zorin's irc/forum. this is #ubuntu for ubuntu's OS's."
[16:39] <sdkfzlight> zorin's irc has 3 active members
[16:39] <Chunkyz> and? not our problem...
[16:40] <sdkfzlight> i dunno ioria seemed to be willing to help
[16:41] <ioria> sdkfzlight,  if you installed nvidia 430 , then  the nvidia-settings 430.34-0ubuntu1 should be available; i just suggest to purge nvidia and try again from  the ~graphics-drivers .
[16:42] <ioria> the ppa, i mean
[16:42] <sdkfzlight> ioria yeah i'm running 430, i'll try that thanks
[16:43] <ioria> but Chunkyz is right, i have no idea what '//ppa.launchpad.net/zorinos/drivers/ubuntu' is or provides
[17:16] <FreeBDSM> external kill is broken (well, or its manpage): manpage says that `kill -l 11` should translate number 11 into a signal name. It fails. Turns out the error occurs because of the space after `-l`. `/bin/kill -l11` works fine.
[17:25] <windowstile4x4> hey guys, what do you recommend to have a 4x4 windows tile in Ubuntu?
[17:44] <EoflaOE> windowstile4x4: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[17:44] <windowstile4x4> EoflaOE: 19 (gnome)
[17:45] <EoflaOE> windowstile4x4: I assume it's 19.04, right?
[17:46] <windowstile4x4> EoflaOE: ct
[17:46] <windowstile4x4> EoflaOE: correct
[17:47] <EoflaOE> windowstile4x4: This GNOME extension might help: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/28/gtile/
[17:49] <windowstile4x4> EoflaOE: okay, thanks!
[17:50] <EoflaOE> windowstile4x4: You are welcome.
[17:57] <windowstile4x4> works wonders EoflaOE thanks again!
[17:59] <EoflaOE> FreeBSDM: Can you make a bug report about kill manpage?
[18:10] <WiseMonk> Hello. I was trying to compile this programm and I get this error: "Could NOT find ZLIB (missing: ZLIB_LIBRARY ZLIB_INCLUDE_DIR)".  I couldnt find a working solution online. what can i do?
[18:10] <WiseMonk> I have zlib1g-dev already installed on my system
[18:10] <WiseMonk> (trying to compile this programm: https://github.com/gp-alex/world-of-might-and-magic) *
[18:11] <WiseMonk> error was from cmake
[18:17] <SpeCon> hello everyone: Any idea why ubuntu sometimes ( mostly ) crashes the applications that i want to open ? For example Hexchat to connect here on irc mostly just crash when i start it up. Also for other apps like calculator and many more. First time that i have this with ubuntu ( i'm using the new version 18.04)
[18:17] <EoflaOE> WiseMonk: Pastebin the output of this command: "pkg-config zlib --libs"
[18:18] <ioria> i bet it wants the 32bit ver
[18:23] <EriC^^> SpeCon: try starting them from a terminal to see any errors, also type "dmesg -T" in a terminal and look for errors
[18:23] <mouses> SpeCon: Bad CPU.  Bad Memory.  Failing hardware.  Corrupt install.  tons of possible things
[18:27] <SpeCon> okay
[18:38] <WiseMonk> EoflaOE, the output is "-lz"
[18:41] <gebbione> i thought i had removed them from software and updates but i still see them from egrep -v '^#|^ *$' /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[18:41] <EoflaOE> WiseMonk: Something is wrong then.
[18:44] <WiseMonk> with my ubuntu or with this programm?
[18:46] <EoflaOE> WiseMonk: This program is not up to date with the current version. Will you notify the maintainers so they update it with fixes?
[18:47] <WiseMonk> I dont know what to tell them, I dont see where the problem is
[18:50] <WiseMonk> will you? and what exactly is wrong with -lz?
[18:58] <EoflaOE> WiseMonk: I will contact them. Meanwhile, while the link is done, you may bookmark it.
[18:58] <EoflaOE> By the way which Ubuntu version are you running?
[19:02] <ioria> WiseMonk,   try  to set the path for zlib :   cmake -DZLIB_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/     -DZLIB_LIBRARY=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/imlib2/loaders/
[19:02] <gebbione> why do i still see lots of ppas in my /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.list.d even if i removed them using software and tools
[19:03] <WiseMonk> EoflaOE Xubuntu 18.10
[19:03] <EoflaOE> WiseMonk: Bug link is ready: https://github.com/gp-alex/world-of-might-and-magic/issues/68 Make sure to bookmark it while they're trying to fix it.
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> gebbione: did you purge them with ppapurge?
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: 18.10 is end of life
[19:04] <ioria> WiseMonk,   18.10 is dead
[19:05] <gebbione> i tried with some of them but cannot figure how to do it,  ie sudo ppa-purge http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian -> sudo ppa-purge http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA:
[19:05] <EoflaOE> Also, like lotuspsychje and ioria said, 18.10 is EOL so upgrade so we can continue helping.
[19:05] <gebbione> i tried with some of them but cannot figure how to do it,  ie sudo ppa-purge http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian -> sudo ppa-purge http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA:
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> gebbione: it needs to be in the ppa format, not the url
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | gebbione
[19:06] <gebbione> how do i get the repository-name
[19:07] <gebbione> for instance if i grep for them i see /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teamviewer.list.distUpgrade:deb http://linux.teamviewer.com/deb stable main
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> gebbione: when you add a ppa, the website/tutorial should mention that
[19:07] <gebbione> what is the name there
[19:09] <gebbione> the tutorial says sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[19:09] <gebbione> but i dont have any names like that
[19:09] <gebbione> it is either the url or some other info
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> gebbione: those names usually show in the maintainers website
[19:10] <EriC^^> gebbione: https://github.com/ericj112/ppa-tool
[19:13] <WiseMonk> ioria, I dont have a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/imlib2/ folde on my Ubuntu
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> WiseMonk: please install a supported version of ubuntu from the topic
[19:13] <gebbione> EriC^^,  that only shows $ ./ppa-tool.sh -l
[19:13] <gebbione> Currently active ppas
[19:13] <gebbione> [1] [trusted=yes] file:/var/opt/amdgpu-pro-local/ ./
[19:14] <EriC^^> gebbione: you have to re-enable it to purge it
[19:14] <gebbione> i have removed them from software and tools
[19:14] <EriC^^> try "./ppa-tool.sh -la" is it listed?
[19:14] <WiseMonk> end of life already?
[19:15] <WiseMonk> its not yet october
[19:15] <gebbione> -la shows more thank you
[19:16] <ioria> WiseMonk,     cmake -DZLIB_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/     -DZLIB_LIBRARY=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[19:16] <EriC^^> gebbione: go to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and remove the "#" in the file there to re-enable it
[19:16] <EriC^^> or you might have to rename .list.save to .list
[19:16] <gebbione> still not sure on what their name is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cm2w947FHX/
[19:17] <EriC^^> gebbione: looks like it's pretty deleted, try "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa && sudo apt-get update"
[19:18] <EriC^^> gebbione: then try "sudo ./ppa-tool.sh -r" and select it for removal
[19:20] <gebbione> that worked so it looks like none of the ppas are enabled
[19:20] <gebbione> but i cannot really purge them
[19:20] <gebbione> that takes me back at my original question on how to fix https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c7MCpsqCf9/
[19:21] <EriC^^> gebbione: yeah, they have to be enabled to purge them cause the list of packages needs to be known to calculate what to remove and what to replace etc
[19:21] <gebbione> and lotuspsychje suggested i had to purge them to fix the error
[19:21] <ioria> !info amdgpu-lib
[19:21] <ioria> gebbione, they are still there
[19:22] <ioria> gebbione, dpkg -l | grep amdgpu-lib
[19:22] <gebbione> :/ i m lost
[19:22] <EriC^^> gebbione: try "apt-cache policy amdgpu-lib" and paste
[19:23] <ioria> gebbione, you probably disabled/removed the ppa but not purged the pkgs
[19:23] <gebbione> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PDwCn2KdVB/
[19:24] <gebbione> maybe but i usually do apt-get update or distro update
[19:24] <gebbione> or autoremove
[19:24] <ioria> gebbione, dpkg -l | grep amdgpu-lib
[19:25] <gebbione> ioria, that shows no output other than the php error
[19:25] <gebbione> but that is another problem
[19:25] <ioria> ah
[19:25] <EriC^^> gebbione: seems the candidate is the right version, you'll have to try "sudo apt-get install amdgpu-lib" to see why it's not installing
[19:25] <gebbione> ok with that command i get asked to add a lot of packages
[19:26] <gebbione> like 200+ Mgs
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^ ioria his original apt: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c7MCpsqCf9/
[19:26] <ioria> it's amdgpu-pro
[19:26] <EriC^^> gebbione: paste the output? or maybe press Y and see what happens?
[19:26] <ioria> gebbione, can't you unistall it ?
[19:27] <gebbione> i upgraded ubuntu to 18.04 and my dual display setup does not work, driven not installed for radeon 5770 so i was trying to install its drivers from the AMD site
[19:27] <gebbione> that is where i get the package errros
[19:28] <gebbione> i can try to remove them
[19:28] <ioria>  amdgpu-pro-uninstall
[19:29] <gebbione> sudo apt-get install amdgpu-pro is running now
[19:29] <Prest0o> hi, any problem with ubuntu repertoires¿? cant download some of them
[19:29] <WiseMonk> No, I had mistaken, I have Xubuntu 19.04, it obviously had upgraded without me noticing it, lol xD
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> Prest0o: can you pastebin your apt output plz?
[19:29] <Prest0o> i am using the visual interface installer
[19:29] <Prest0o> just returns a 404
[19:29] <WiseMonk> ioria, cmake -DZLIB_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/     -DZLIB_LIBRARY=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ .. , give following error: Could NOT find ZLIB (missing: ZLIB_LIBRARY) (found version "1.2.11")
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> Prest0o: details matter for the volunteers to be able to help
[19:30] <Prest0o> can i paste a screenshoot ?
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> sure
[19:31] <ioria> WiseMonk,     cmake -DZLIB_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/     -DZLIB_LIBRARY=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[19:31] <WiseMonk> yeah, same error
[19:32] <WiseMonk> Could NOT find ZLIB (missing: ZLIB_LIBRARY) (found version "1.2.11")      ---- so is 1.2.11 too new, or why so?
[19:34] <ioria> WiseMonk,  try to install the 32bit version  of zlib1g-dev
[19:34] <WiseMonk> I got a libz.so.1.2.11 in the respective folder, and a libz.so which is a symbolic link to it
[19:34] <WiseMonk> ok
[19:38] <WiseMonk> still same error, I now even change the command to "cmake -DZLIB_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/     -DZLIB_LIBRARY=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ .." but still same
[19:39] <ioria> WiseMonk,  and without that ?
[19:39] <ioria> WiseMonk, just cmake
[19:39] <Prest0o> https://imgur.com/mD9laCd
[19:40] <Prest0o> here it goes, sorry for the time it took me to do it, i have it on a diferent computer and was a bit of a paint to screenshot it, i just made an analog picture
[19:40] <WiseMonk> then I get back the old error Could NOT find ZLIB (missing: ZLIB_LIBRARY ZLIB_INCLUDE_DIR)
[19:41] <EoflaOE> PrestOo: Have you done "sudo apt update"?
[19:41] <Prest0o> no
[19:41] <Prest0o> lets try
[19:43] <Prest0o> it worked...
[19:43] <Prest0o> pretty incredible, since i downloaded the distro yesterday,
[19:45] <Prest0o> thanks
[19:46] <EoflaOE> You are welcome PrestOo. By the way you should run it everytime you install packages, to update caches.
[19:47] <gebbione> hi folks, after installing the amdgpu-pro the pc is stuck at Starting Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes ...
[19:47] <gebbione> ctrl + shift + F1 does nothing
[19:48] <gebbione> any suggestions
[19:49] <EoflaOE> gebbione: Try ctrl+alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+f3
[19:50] <Prest0o> i am trying to success into sharing a linux folder over the network, but... still even after install samba and run shares-admin i still get an errro saying samba is not installed, in fact when i run system-config-samba it says i dont have permission to execture blalba... https://i.imgur.com/HGmA6yk.jpg
[19:51] <gebbione> EoflaOE,  thanks, got a prompt. Now i am trying to remove that package
[19:51] <EoflaOE> gebbione: You are welcome.
[19:52] <EoflaOE> PrestOo: Try it with sudo
[19:52] <Prest0o> same error, tried it
[19:53] <Prest0o> well not same error
[19:53] <Prest0o> but similar
[19:53] <EoflaOE> PrestOo: And the output?
[19:53] <Prest0o> i am on it 1 sec
[19:54] <Prest0o> i.imgur.com/toMDazx.png
[19:56] <EoflaOE> PrestOo: That means you don't have /etc/libuser.conf
[19:57] <Prest0o> no idea how to download/install it
[19:58] <EoflaOE> PrestOo: Can you try this command "sudo touch /etc/libuser.conf" and run the tool again?
[19:59] <Prest0o> no result
[19:59] <Prest0o> does nothing
[19:59] <Prest0o> i mean, nothing, i just returns nothing and let you "write again"
[20:00] <Prest0o> oh wait, not sudo system-config-samba works
[20:00] <Prest0o> now*
[20:01] <EoflaOE> PrestOo: Glad you got it working. Any problems?
[20:01] <Prest0o> lets see if i success to see some windows folder from the windows machine, 1 sec
[20:02] <Prest0o> oh big crap, linux freezed... maybe i touched the pendrive by mistake and disconected it, i dont know, damn, need to do it all again
[20:04] <gebbione> EriC^^, any ideas https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g7F66vz3dH/ ?
[20:11] <Prest0o> dont seems i success
[20:11] <Prest0o> i.imgur.com/q1VG9O2.png
[20:11] <Prest0o> if someone understand whats wrong...
[20:14] <JohnDoe2> I have xubuntu 19.04 installed as the only OS and it won't let me get in to grub menu. I messed up my password at setup so I need to change it. tried shift key, esc, c, space bar, nothing works
[20:14] <gebbione> $ sudo ppa-purge nutznboltz/ubuntu
[20:14] <gebbione> Updating packages lists
[20:14] <gebbione> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/nutznboltz/cappy-getlibs-all/ubuntu oneiric Release' does not have a Release file.
[20:16] <mystic> where to put my unzipped tar file so that it create sa shortcut in my app drawer?
[20:16] <Bashing-om> gebbione: nutznboltz has not seen any attention since 2011-05-20. Remove the source. http://ppa.launchpad.net/nutznboltz/cappy-getlibs-all/ubuntu/dists/
[20:17] <gebbione> so ppa-purge will not work in this case?
[20:18] <gebbione> should i go to sources.d and rm -f it ?
[20:18] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Nope .. there is nothing to revert back to from that PPA.
[20:18] <mystic> unzipped tar files wont make app drawer shortcuts.. how to make one?
[20:18] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Should not have to (F)orce it .
[20:19] <gebbione> Bashing-om, ok so i guess removing it will not fix this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c7MCpsqCf9/
[20:19] <Prest0o> omg its working
[20:19] <gebbione> I am just trying to get the AMD radeon video drivers installed :/
[20:19] <EoflaOE> PrestOo: Nice.
[20:20] <Prest0o> pretty cool, next step.. the printer
[20:20] <EoflaOE> gebbione: Can you go to Softwares and Updates, and remove that PPA from there?
[20:20] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Nope .. will have no effect on the AMD driver .. // How do you know that your card supports the AMD proprietary overlay ?
[20:20] <gebbione> i tried with lots of them but i still get those errors
[20:21] <gebbione> Bashing-om,  i just checked the model and i downloaded the drivers
[20:21] <gebbione> and i was trying to install them
[20:21] <gebbione> should i not install the pro version?
[20:22] <gebbione> i get the same error with ./amdgpu-install
[20:22] <JohnDoe2> screw it I'll just install over it
[20:23] <Bashing-om> gebbione: "Phoronix has done several articles that show the Radeon driver plus the MESA package actually perform BETTER than AMDGPU/PRO in almost all the cases that most people will be interested in.
[20:23] <Bashing-om> Unless you are doing scientific computing or specific games, AMDGPU at present may not do you any good."
[20:23] <gebbione> ok so what do i do to get my second screen working
[20:23] <Bashing-om> gebbione: No experience thewre to advise :(
[20:23] <gebbione> as upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 broke the dual screen setup
[20:27] <gebbione> anyone with 18.04 and two monitors that can suggest how to fix the detection of the two monitors?
[20:58] <gebbione> any suggestions on how to fix this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BY28RpjWVM/
[20:58] <gebbione> i have removed all PPAs btw
[21:23] <EriC^^> gebbione: you want to install amdgpu?
[21:23] <akemlenovo_> I got a Ubuntu 18.04 machine up since 30 days or so, and i noticed when i get back to the desktop the applications loaded since a long time(IDLEING) are not so responsives when trying to use them again, I got 8 GB of RAM used at 85% and 2GB swap used at 62%, but there is little applications running, just like hexchat and qbittorent with a bunch of gnome terminal in the background...
[21:23] <EriC^^> whats the initial problem you had? gebbione
[21:24] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: probably some memory leak
[21:24] <dazzisdead> hey
[21:24] <gebbione> two screens are installed, they are mirroring on 18.04 and cannot see the option to configure it under settings -> devices -> Screen Display
[21:24] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: try ps aux | sort -k 4
[21:24] <gebbione> on 16.04 i had no problems
[21:25] <EriC^^> gebbione: same here display stuff disappeared for me a while ago, 16.04 here on amd graphics
[21:25] <akemlenovo_> EriC^^, I don't think so, i've been told it's normal Linux memory usage to use up the free memory as cache etc when no other applications requires it.
[21:25] <EriC^^> gebbione: it's probably something to do with xorg i guess
[21:25] <gebbione> i had no problems on 16.04
[21:26] <gebbione> EriC^^, have you tried anything to fix it?
[21:26] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: well, it depends what you meant by 'used' but you did mention lagginess and swap being used so yeah
[21:26] <onomatopie> Goodbye gebbione
[21:26] <ChiLLabiS> Alot of stuff stopped working since that 5.0.0-25 kernel
[21:27] <EriC^^> gebbione: not really, i use xrandr to set the resolution instead now
[21:29] <akemlenovo_> EriC^^, yeah it's laggy and swap is used: https://termbin.com/kj4b
[21:30] <EriC^^> memory usage doesnt look too bad
[21:30] <gebbione> EriC^^, so you have two monitors and just see them mirrored? dont you want to use them in extended mode? or can xrandr do the configuration ?
[21:30] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: is it doing it right now?
[21:30] <EriC^^> gebbione: nope single monitor here
[21:31] <gebbione> :/
[21:31] <EriC^^> gebbione: hold on
[21:31] <frad> Im editing a video. I don't need to change its quality, fps', I only want to get rid of 30 seconds at the beginning and 40 at the end of the mkv file. I have tried openshot and flowblade. No matter what profile I choose to save, the size of the resulting file is much bigger than the original file (a 20 factor). How do I simply cut, without changing any other property of the original file?
[21:32] <EriC^^> gebbione: what does 'dpkg - | grep control-center' give you?
[21:32] <EriC^^> gebbione: it's working for me now, i ran sudo apt-get install unity-control-center
[21:32] <akemlenovo_> EriC^^, not really, but when i first came back to the machine it did. Also i closed firefox etc.
[21:32] <EriC^^> gebbione: nice
[21:33] <gebbione> unity-control-center is already the newest version (15.04.0+18.04.20180216-0ubuntu1).
[21:33] <EriC^^> gebbione: try running 'unity-control-center' from a terminal
[21:33] <akemlenovo_> I'd like to disable that sort of optimisation memory management when IDLEING.
[21:34] <akemlenovo_> Maybe some kernel options for that, i don't know.
[21:34] <EriC^^> i dont see how it could be the problem tbh
[21:34] <gebbione> EriC^^, unity-control-center doesnt help me configure the displays
[21:36] <EriC^^> gebbione: it still says cant get display info?
[21:40] <gebbione> EriC^^, this is all i get ... i dont get the option to configure two monitors https://imagebin.ca/v/4tYdrhNFU2VS
[21:40] <gebbione> but i do have two monitors and they are currently displaying the same thing
[21:41] <akemlenovo_> EriC^^, i've heard Ubuntu is doing some background magic with free RAM to somehow predict what i may do / cache things / whatsoever, things like that; and that it is normal that it would use almost all RAM at some point, it should free some memory automaticly when needed when i start an application for ex. That's this behavior i would like to disable maybe with some kernel option?
[21:43] <devslash2> is there  a way to change the monitor which the login screen appears on ?
[21:43] <devslash2> it always appears on monitor 2 and I want it to show up on monitor 1
[21:44] <gebbione> devslash2, i wish i could get my two monitors to work first :/
[21:45] <akemlenovo_> devslash2, Maybe try to reverse monitor order in gnome-control-center.
[21:46] <devslash2> i tried running gnome-control-center from terminal and it got a sigalert
[21:46] <devslash2> so thats not going to work
[21:46] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: yeah but i mean it shouldnt cause stuff to get slower i think, whenever you open ff itll just use the cached space for that, i mean i also have the same stuff but it never ever lags for me
[21:46] <devslash2> oh nm its because it doesnt work as root apparently
[21:46] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: i think something else is going on
[21:47] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: anyways, here's a way to restrict caching, in case it helps https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/253816/restrict-size-of-buffer-cache-in-linux
[21:49] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: you could also adjust swappiness for performance https://linuxhint.com/understanding_vm_swappiness/
[21:50] <EriC^^> gebbione: does gsettings list-recursively | grep -E "mirror|display"  give anything related?
[21:52] <gebbione> EriC^^, i cannot see anything but i pasted it here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2VJhwt4Y8r/
[21:53] <EriC^^> hmm dont see any
[21:54] <gebbione> is it possible it is currently using the wrong VGA drivers?
[21:55] <EriC^^> gebbione: try "sudo lshw -c video"
[21:55] <EriC^^> gebbione: also 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[21:58] <gebbione> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bqYFNCJD3d/
[21:59] <akemlenovo_> EriC^^, i tried echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches to see if it clears up but apparently it doesn't change anything, any idea?
[22:01] <EriC^^> gebbione: this is the possible culprit "nomodeset"
[22:01] <akemlenovo_> https://pastebin.com/vMfC9Jau i would like to drop everything, and see real RAM usage from what is actually running.
[22:01] <EriC^^> gebbione: what happens when you try to boot normally an not in recovery mode
[22:02] <akemlenovo_> It can't be using 7 GB RAM for real.
[22:02] <devslash2> ubuntu sucks. I dont get why I have to disconnect my 2nd monitor in order to get the fcking ubuntu login to appear on my primary monitor
[22:03] <akemlenovo_> especially since it is running fluxbox wm and the largest application running is qbittorent(via wine).
[22:03] <gebbione> EriC^^, i had problems i think with hibernation or other problems ... then i added the nomdeset but i have not changed grub settings when moving from 16.04 to 18.04
[22:03] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: it says 1gb is available only, and 268mb is cached only
[22:03] <EriC^^> (roughly)
[22:03] <gebbione> devslash2, switch ports
[22:04] <devslash2> what do you mean
[22:04] <EriC^^> akemlenovo_: what does ps aux | sort -k 4 give currently?
[22:04] <devslash2> what port
[22:04] <EriC^^> gebbione: it says you booted in recovery mode
[22:05] <gebbione> i did a dpkg package fix to see if it would get rid of the dependencies problem i had when installing the amdgpu=pro driver
[22:07] <akemlenovo_> EriC^^, my conky memory log says the biggest memory usage is qbittorent with 7.5% of the RAM being used so i don't see what is using all that RAM :/
[22:07] <akemlenovo_> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/nk7d
[22:07] <gebbione> $ dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[22:07] <gebbione> [    5.639766] [drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
[22:07] <gebbione> [    5.639789] [drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
[22:07] <gebbione> :/
[22:08] <allegorical> hi trying to install lubuntu on a laptop from usb and it's failing at the step "detect and mount cd-rom" any ideas?
[22:09] <akemlenovo_> EriC^^, maybe i have some memory leak you think? i already had one in the past i had to patch my wifi driver to fix it with the help of TJ-.
[22:10] <akemlenovo_> But it was growing very fast, and would even freeze the computer at some point.
[22:12] <allegorical> hmm guess i should try google first
[22:13] <akemlenovo_> allegorical, does your laptop have a CD drive?
[22:13] <allegorical> a dvd drive i believe
[22:13] <akemlenovo_> Check there is no DVD inside?
[22:14] <allegorical> yeah did that :)
[22:14] <EriC^^> allegorical: i'd start by doing a checksum on the iso
[22:14] <allegorical> looking at https://askubuntu.com/questions/671159/bootable-usb-needs-cd-rom now
[22:17] <akemlenovo_> EriC^^, I think you are right, i must have another memory leak :(
[22:17] <allegorical> i'm seeing "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /cdrom" in a few places, will try something, thanks
[22:17] <EriC^^> gebbione: what happens when you try to boot normally, without nomodeset or recovery option
[22:18] <gebbione> i think i need to modify grub to see with nomodeset off
[22:18] <gebbione> normally i just get the single screen duplicated right now with restricted configuration options in ubuntu ux
[22:18] <gebbione> i was going through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[22:19] <gebbione> and wondering if this means anything
[22:19] <gebbione> $ dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[22:19] <gebbione> [    5.639766] [drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
[22:19] <gebbione> [    5.639789] [drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
[22:21] <Bashing-om> gebbione: As you can see in the link .. your card takes the radeon driver .. amdgpu-pro is not supported.
[22:22] <gebbione> i guess i still need to get it working correctly somehow as it is not working well now
[22:23] <Bashing-om> gebbione: As a start what results ' amdgpu-pro-uninstall ' ?
[22:24] <Bray90820> is ther a way to switch dispay setting from the menubar?
[22:25] <Bray90820> Or maybe add a shell script from the menubar
[22:25] <gebbione> Bashing-om,  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C7mKfsTtPk/
[22:27] <gebbione> amdgpu-pro was not installed anyway
[22:27] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Looks positive :) .. what now ' sudo apt purge amdgpu* ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' Make sure here the package manager is in a happy state.
[22:30] <gebbione> a bunch of "unable to locate" messages but nothing else happened
[22:31] <gebbione> it didnt fix the problem still so i guess i need to find how to get it right
[22:31] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Reboot then ,, see if you come up now on the radeon driver, or if we got to work it.
[22:32] <gebbione> brb
[22:36] <gebbione> display still unknonw
[22:37] <gebbione> known
[22:37] <gebbione> unknown
[22:37] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Per ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[22:38] <gebbione> Bashing-om, same as the top of https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bqYFNCJD3d/
[22:42] <Bashing-om> gebbione: ' dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-radeon  ' show that the module is available ?
[22:43] <gebbione> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qt6kJqK32g/
[22:43] <gebbione> does it say it needs a reinstall ?
[22:45] <DOSfan> I .. am .. back :)
[22:45] <mystic> wb
[22:45] <Bashing-om> gebbione: nope the leading 'ii' says is all installed .. what shows ' cat /proc/cmdline ' ?
[22:46] <gebbione> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-58-generic root=UUID=315979a7-13a8-49cf-bd7a-616f29ad8c79 ro acpi=force nomodeset
[22:46] <DOSfan> Hi mystic ... running Ubuntu 16.04 here ... on a SSD
[22:46] <mystic> must be fast.  ubuntu 18.04 here on ssd
[22:46] <DOSfan> showing at 1900x1200?
[22:47] <DOSfan> errr or is it 1920 :\
[22:47] <Bashing-om> gebbione: ,, OK .. "nomodeset" defeats Kernel Mode Setting - remove that parameter and try and boot again :)
[22:49] <DOSfan> I run duel display with Ubuntu 16.04 , one 50 inco running 1920x1080 and the second is an awsome HP 22 inch HPw2207 (awsome cause of the elevating/tilt stand).
[22:49] <gebbione> ok just edited grub settings
[22:49] <gebbione> brb
[22:50] <DOSfan> mystic: oh .. that last message was for you .. yes I have to admit running of SSD is a huge difference .. this exact ubunto OS install was done to a 500GB hard disk .. so I cloned it to a 256GB Patriot SSD ...
[22:51] <DOSfan> mystic: what a huuuuuge speed and total "useability" difference.
[22:54] <gebbione> Bashing-om, thanks ... that fixed it
[22:54] <gebbione> now i am wondering how you make one of the monitors the primary one
[22:55] <Bashing-om> gebbione: Great ! - Glad it worked out.
[22:55] <gebbione> ie like devslash2 asked ... i see the bars in one monitor but I would rather get them either repeated or on the other monitor
[22:55] <Bashing-om> gebbione: That be in the GUI settings "somewhere" .. I do not use so can not advise the "where" .
[23:00] <gebbione> ohh it is there
[23:00] <gebbione> great
[23:00] <gebbione> devslash2, not sure it helps but just go to Devices -> Screen Display -> Primary Display and select where you want the login to come up
[23:04] <mystic> yea, dosfan.. the boot times are so fast
[23:29] <samurai> auk
[23:29] <samurai> euk
[23:38] <allegorical> hmm, so the install seems to be complete however i can't seem to launch the GUI desktop, just stuck in the terminal
[23:39] <allegorical> fun times
[23:39] <Prest0o> https://i.imgur.com/rD1defH.png
[23:40] <Prest0o> witch you think looks better?
[23:42] <Prest0o> about antialias i mean
[23:52] <doug16k> ubuntu won't go 75Hz refresh rate, even though I set it to "74.97 Hz" in display settings. other monitor is 60Hz
[23:53] <emOne> there really needs to be an option to debianify the terminal in ubuntu
[23:53] <emOne> debian colours are so much nicer
[23:53] <doug16k> opened http://glslsandbox.com/e#56307.0 in chrome, F12 to open js debugger, in debugger, pull down ... menu thing at top right, rendering, check "show fps", says 60
[23:54] <doug16k> tf2 won't go 75 either, even though I beat it over the head with -refresh 75 -refreshrate 75 -freq 75 launch command line
[23:54] <doug16k> cl_showfps 2 shows 60
[23:55] <doug16k> nvidia closed source driver 4 430
[23:55] <doug16k> s/4 //
[23:56] <doug16k> it's really a 75Hz monitor, not overclock nonsense
[23:57] <doug16k> -> https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27MP59G-P-gaming-monitor#none