[00:06] <doug16k> my gpu can run tf2 at about 300fps btw
[00:06] <doug16k> if I had vsync off
[00:07] <mystic> and set resolution at 480p?  with shadows and anti alaising off?
[00:09] <doug16k> 1920x1080 everything high and shadows on medium anisotropic 4X
[00:10] <doug16k> shadows on high utterly kills it
[00:10] <doug16k> reflect all kills it. on simple reflection
[00:10] <doug16k> oops, actually, on reflect world
[00:11] <Alphos> Hello people ! I'm having some issues with a 4.15.0.58 kernel recently installed on a 18.4.1 laptop : it reboots in what appears to be recovery mode (low res, no network) by default, and nothing I've thrown at it so far (apt install --reinstall, apt remove, apt purge), seem to have made a dent in it
[00:14] <doug16k> mystic, why 480p? was that sarcasm? :D
[00:14] <doug16k> tf2 flies in linux, better than windows
[00:15] <doug16k> syscalls being 100x faster helps
[00:16] <mystic> not many games run in linux tho
[00:16] <mystic> i never understood steam for linux.. you cant play most of the games anyway.  i dont get it
[00:18] <doug16k> if more games were ported to linux, people would realize that they can get faster framerates and lower latencies. a shame really
[00:18] <doug16k> linux was born to do a bazillion syscalls/sec
[00:19] <mystic> they make it sond like team for linux is a thing.. but i tried it.. can hardly play any games on my library.  pointless.  why do people keep going on about it like its even worth having
[00:19] <doug16k> all my games run beautifully, idk why you get bad experience
[00:19] <mystic> 'all' ?
[00:20] <doug16k> 22
[00:20] <mystic> i guess you downloaded games that support linux.  thats a  tiny list.. tiinnny.   i have about 300 stram games.. and i guess about 5 work on linux.  pethetic
[00:20] <doug16k> my machine isn't a toy. I work most of the time.
[00:21] <mystic> my point is why do people keep ppraiing steam for linux.. its pretty much worthless
[00:21] <mystic> prasing*
[00:21] <doug16k> because everyone doesn't run your configuration maybe?
[00:21] <mystic> nothing to do with it
[00:21] <mystic> if games arent made for linux they wont work
[00:22] <mystic> unless you run ancient games in wine
[00:22] <doug16k> I get 60fps with folding at home using the GPU doing compute
[00:23] <mystic> i cant play anything on it.. my game library is almost totally redundant if i want to play on linux
[00:23] <mystic> anothrer reason i will always keep windows on my system
[00:24] <doug16k> try folding on windows with a game running, good luck
[00:24] <mystic> when im playing a game i dont have anything else running usually.. unless its a simple game
[00:24] <mystic> whats the use in 'folding'  when i want to play my games libray and i cant?
[00:35] <ausjke> is it even possible to send reboot commands via bluetooth to ubuntu(bluetooth slave0?
[00:35] <ausjke> s/0/)
[00:36] <mystic> i dont know
[00:39] <SlowJimmy> Hello #Ubuntu, how's it going? I wanted to aks what the best formating is for a share on my ubuntu machine that i make available to other ubuntu machines across my homenetwork, sort of like a smb but for GNU OS basicall, is there something like samba for gnu that i could use on my ubuntu?
[00:41] <doug16k> SlowJimmy, are you asking what filesystem you should use or what network sharing protocol to use?
[00:42] <doug16k> you can use samba on ubuntu
[00:42] <doug16k> server or client
[00:43] <SlowJimmy> both if that makes sense...correct me if i am wrong i cannot do this in ext4 and i need like ntfs or something and set the prpper user rights etc? yeah I know but I did not want to use smb because for of obvious reasons
[00:43] <compdoc> no, use ext4
[00:44] <SlowJimmy> and then i create a user for each client ubunut machine and allow them read write access and give each maybe even a folder to own for backups to be saved on?
[00:44] <ausjke> /dev/rfcomm seems the right way to do it
[00:44] <doug16k> you can use ext4. to enable full windows permission support, you may need to mount it with user_xattr mount option
[00:44] <SlowJimmy> ty to both of you!
[00:44] <SlowJimmy> doug16k: not windows permission i mean the linux gnu permissions
[00:44] <SlowJimmy> 777 or what it is called
[00:44] <doug16k> in that case sure, ext4 would be perfect
[00:45] <SlowJimmy> sorry chown user:user folder on that share
[00:45] <SlowJimmy> and the chmod if i am not mistake with the appropriate number code for the rigths
[00:46] <SlowJimmy> should the owner of these folders still be the server running ubuntu or should each ubuntu client machine dialing in own their respective folders?
[00:46] <SlowJimmy> if they got the appropriate rights then i should be fine owning it server side right?
[00:48] <doug16k> you can configure samba to use filesystem permissions fully by configuring the server with "inherit permissions = yes" and "inherit acls = yes"
[00:49] <doug16k> you can mount the partition with acl mount option and even add fine-grained permissions with setfacl, such as allowing some particular user to read/write/execute even if the unix user:group doesn't include them
[00:50] <doug16k> assuming you enabled acls as mentioned
[00:51] <doug16k> so yes, you can do the completely efficient unixy permission method, or micromanage ACLs ala windows
[00:52] <mystic> are you SURE?
[00:53] <Alphos> Welp, finally found a last leg solution which relied on forcing grub2 to boot on the previous kernel (4.15.0-55) instead
[00:53] <SlowJimmy> doug16k: I wanted to avoid smb
[00:55] <doug16k> mystic, about what? this? -> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setting_up_a_Share_Using_Windows_ACLs
[00:55] <SlowJimmy> i am going with the GNU way of doing things as smb has been said to carry some risks
[00:55] <Alphos> Well, you could always sftp your way into your machine, I guess ?
[00:56] <SlowJimmy> Alphos: excellent Idea
[00:56] <SlowJimmy> Alphos: I think I want them more of like a mounted server share that i can do backups to automatically
[00:57] <SlowJimmy> Alphos: using rsync to do backup and maybe
[00:57] <Alphos> Last I tried, nautilus even allowed ssh mounts, but that was some time ago
[00:57] <Alphos> And I wouldn't for the life of me remember how ^^'
[00:57] <doug16k> SlowJimmy, NFS is an option, but I've never needed anything beyond simple samba and interoperability usually prevents me using NFS
[00:58] <SlowJimmy> you are right alphos it allows so in "connet to server"
[00:58] <Alphos> It all really depends on what machines you want connected, how many, to what, from what, etc
[00:58] <SlowJimmy> doug16k: oh the ext4 only works with smb?
[00:59] <doug16k> SlowJimmy, no
[00:59] <SlowJimmy> so i would need NFS to do it in strictly linux
[01:00] <SlowJimmy> of the top of your head do you know if there is more benefits to NFS over regular ext4? if i am not mistake nfs is made espacially for sharing shares across networks
[01:00] <doug16k> they are not the same thing
[01:00] <doug16k> ext4 is how it puts it on disk. nfs/samba is how it communicates over the network
[01:01] <Alphos> Do you need all machines to access all other machines, or a central repo that doesn't actually require a screen ?
[01:01] <doug16k> I mention ext4 because if you were using a full windows-like permission system, then the underlying filesystem (ext4/or-whatever) needs to be able to store ACLs
[01:01] <doug16k> ACL = access control list
[01:02] <SlowJimmy> sorry I wasnt clear on that I mistook nfs or a filesystem
[01:02] <doug16k> NFS is the unixy counterpart to samba
[01:02] <SlowJimmy> Alphos: not it is a star layout with a connecting server in the center
[01:03] <SlowJimmy> everything is conencted to a single server and does not require to talk among each other
[01:03] <doug16k> samba = CIFS = common internet filesystem. it is a standard that really isn't windows specific, it is documented in RFCs like any decent protocol
[01:03] <Alphos> SlowJimmy then you could look into OpenMediaVault, just saying ;-)
[01:03] <SlowJimmy> oh ok
[01:03] <SlowJimmy> NFS looks like a the way to go then
[01:04] <doug16k> samba feels windows specific because you need that for windows clients to connect to it
[01:04] <SlowJimmy> since these are all ubuntu machines(3 of them) i may or may not add a debian machine at a later date
[01:05] <SlowJimmy> samba is great and all but i have heard that you run risks with it
[01:05] <SlowJimmy> I will try each of these options and see what works the best
[01:05] <emOne> is ifconfig not included in ubuntu anymore?
[01:05] <SlowJimmy> openmediavault, nfs on ext4, and then the /dev/rfcomm
[01:06] <Alphos> openmediavault is a whole OS
[01:06] <Bashing-om> SlowJimmy: All share the same router ? See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2159449 .
[01:06] <SlowJimmy> emone no it has been replaced
[01:06] <doug16k> plenty of superstition going around. any concrete examples of the risk?
[01:06] <emOne> with what?
[01:06] <emOne> SlowJimmy: what has it been replaced with?
[01:06] <doug16k> some people think that you need to throw salt over your shoulder if you spill it
[01:07] <Alphos> It'll take care of all the tedious things like picking a FS, installing smb and whatnot, and the like ;-)
[01:07] <SlowJimmy> you want to use ip instead https://ubuntu.com/blog/if-youre-still-using-ifconfig-youre-living-in-the-past
[01:07] <SlowJimmy> emOne: the thing thre me off too, the network-manager has been replaced if i am not mistaken
[01:08] <SlowJimmy> i think its replacement is called netplan or netmap or something, and it has a similar way of setting up the config file, but it was a farily recent improvement they made
[01:08] <emOne> SlowJimmy: I am not sure how I feel about it being removed
[01:09] <emOne> macOS and many other distros use ifconfig
[01:09] <SlowJimmy> emOne: and together with that change ifconfig went out of the windo
[01:09] <Alphos> emOne : about the same as usual when anything gets replaced on anything debian-based
[01:09] <SlowJimmy> emOne: i am pretty sure you can still install it
[01:09] <doug16k> SlowJimmy, it is possible to install NFS support on windows btw, if that ever comes up
[01:10] <Bashing-om> emOne: The modern replacement for net-tools is iproute2 <- https://www.tecmint.com/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/
[01:10] <doug16k> since win2k IIRC
[01:10] <SlowJimmy> at least i know that i have read that you can install the oldschool style network-manager if you wanted to, so pretty sure you can install ifconfig, hey why dont you try this do an aptitude-search ifconfig
[01:11] <doug16k> SlowJimmy, https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-server-2003/cc782783(v=ws.10)
[01:11] <emOne> yes there is even a message that says what package to install to get back ifconfig
[01:11] <doug16k> guessing it still is there on win10, not sure
[01:11] <emOne> but I feel like it kind of breaks the whole POSIX feel to ubuntu
[01:11] <emOne> idk
[01:11] <SlowJimmy> doug16k: ah i never even thought that possible, that is kinda mazing that you can that instead of smb
[01:12] <Alphos> Whew, at least I'm done after a solid week on trying to fix an unfixable issue on that cruddy kernel that won't get fixed. We'll see what happens for that laptop when the next version comes
[01:12] <emOne> every single box that I ever used had ifconfig
[01:12] <doug16k> in win2k timeframe, microsoft was obsessed with supporting every standard
[01:12] <SlowJimmy> doug16k: i have used smb to allow windows machines to connect to an ubuntu machine acting as server
[01:12] <SlowJimmy> Alphos: sweet!
[01:12] <Alphos> Not so much
[01:13] <emOne> ifconifg - Initial release	August 1983; 36 years ago
[01:13] <Alphos> But meh, my uncle won't notice ... much.
[01:13] <Alphos> "Say, what are those two lines popping up during boot ?" That'll be it
[01:14] <SlowJimmy> emOne: apt-get update
[01:14] <SlowJimmy> apt-get install net-tools
[01:14] <SlowJimmy> emOne: if you run those you get ipconfig back otherwise use ip
[01:14] <SlowJimmy> which i have heard is just as good if not better
[01:20] <emOne> I am not sure why it is better
[01:20] <SlowJimmy> emOne: type this 'ip addr' for example
[01:20] <emOne> it looks the same to me
[01:21] <SlowJimmy> emOne: me neither
[01:22] <emOne> ifconfig is neater
[01:22] <emOne> the indentations are a lot better
[01:23] <SlowJimmy> emOne: i like the config file better too, i think now the indentations matter
[01:23] <SlowJimmy> but i may be mistaken from the vid i watched
[01:26] <Alphos> Thanks for all the talk, people, g'night !
[01:27] <SlowJimmy> g'night bro
[01:28] <emOne> restarting the network doesn't work with the same command anymore either
[01:28] <SlowJimmy> yeah i ran into the same problem
[01:28] <emOne> or maybe it does
[01:29] <emOne> "systemctl restart networking"
[01:29] <emOne> does this work?
[01:29] <SlowJimmy>  
[01:29] <SlowJimmy>  
[01:29] <SlowJimmy> ip addr flush interface-name && systemctl restart networking.service
[01:29] <SlowJimmy>  
[01:29] <emOne> or did I break something by installing ifconfig
[01:30] <SlowJimmy> sorry for white space should of used M-x fixup-whitespace
[01:33] <SlowJimmy> try the old service network-manager restart if that doesn't worked
[01:34] <emOne> should have* :)
[01:35] <SlowJimmy> i should of said it like that i guess
[01:35] <SlowJimmy> :P
[01:36] <SlowJimmy> can you download man-pages for software in the respository without installing the software itself?
[01:39] <emOne> hehe
[01:47] <emOne> does /etc/network/interfaces not exist anymore?
[01:47] <emOne> :O
[01:47] <emOne> :O
[01:49] <Bashing-om> !netplan | emOne
[01:50] <emOne> my /etc/netplan is empry
[01:50] <emOne> so I am not sure where my network config is
[01:50] <emOne> it must be somewhere
[01:52] <emOne> can I find my network config somewhere?
[01:52] <emOne> seriously I think this whole network update,, while it is being praised
[01:52] <emOne> it is weird
[01:52] <lotuspsychje> !netplan | emOne
[01:53] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[01:53] <emOne> I don't know..I configured my network using an interface
[01:53] <emOne> a gui
[01:53] <OerHeks> yes, systemd gives a change
[01:54] <emOne> does that mean that there is no file like /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:54] <OerHeks> read all about it in the wiki
[01:54] <OerHeks> do not edit that file directly; in short
[01:55] <emOne> I am going to watch a nice youtube tutorial instead of reading wikis at 4 am
[01:55] <emOne> because otherwise I might fall asleep
[01:55] <OerHeks> yeah, me too, in stead of copy pasting things
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> emOne: are you on ubuntu-server?
[01:56] <emOne> lotuspsychje: yes
[01:57] <lotuspsychje> emOne: i would reccomend you start informing yourself, learn things before
[01:57] <lotuspsychje> emOne: see also #ubuntu-server
[01:57] <emOne> ok
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> !server | emOne
[01:59] <emOne> ok I will mess with the network tomorrow
[01:59] <emOne> it is too late at night
[01:59] <emOne> 4 am
[02:00] <emOne> and discovering that ubuntu changed everything makes my head implode
[02:00] <emOne> not even explode
[02:01] <OerHeks> not just ubuntu, linux wide
[02:01] <emOne> OMG
[02:01] <emOne> what is the world coming to
[02:02] <emOne> OerHeks: debian didn't have this the last time I checked
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> emOne: this isnt the complaints channel..
[02:02] <emOne> it had /etc/network/interfaces
[02:02] <emOne> and it had ifconfig AND ip
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> emOne: there's a thing called evolution
[02:05] <emOne> that is fair enough
[02:06] <emOne> I changed my network settings through a web interface
[02:06] <emOne> it would be kind of nice knowing what file it changed
[02:06] <emOne> but that will remain a mystery for me
[02:07] <emOne>  /etc/netplan/ is empty for me
[02:07] <emOne> but the gui did change the network settings somewhere
[02:07] <emOne> god knows where
[02:08] <emOne> there are no .yaml files in there for me
[03:05] <leonardus> I installed Ubuntu but all I get is a purple screen and then no signal.
[03:05] <leonardus> How do I fix this?
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> no signal?
[03:12] <leonardus> Yeah my monitor says "No DisplayPort signal"
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | leonardus try this perhaps
[03:14] <leonardus> lotuspsychje: I can't get into GRUB. Tried pressing shift key.
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: if you say you see the purple screen, you should be able to enter grub before too right
[03:15] <leonardus> I can't. Spamming the shift key, I just get the same purple screen then no signal.
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: dont spam the key, hold it, or ESC
[03:16] <leonardus> When do I start holding it?
[03:16] <leonardus> As soon as I see the motherboard logo?
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: from the min you push power
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: some systems are indeed difficult to enter grub
[03:18] <leonardus> Also, is this in the bug tracker?
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: another thing you can try is enter tty on purple screen dot logo
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> or F1 to textboot
[03:21] <Betal> xubuntu have only 3 year lts support? while the same ubuntu version have 5?
[03:22] <leonardus> I still can't enter GRUB.
[03:29] <Bashing-om> Betal: What the xubuntu team supports is 3 years - the kernel is 5 years.
[03:34] <leonardus> Fixed it
[03:34] <leonardus> But is this in the bug tracker?
[03:41] <jkoofer> hi, I have a dual boot on my toshiba laptop. Windows 7 and ubnuntu 18.04 , I can get on to the internet from windows 7 but fire fox will not load pages when I am in ubuntu 18.04 , know how to fix?
[03:46] <leonardus> Also how do I get drivers for wifi on the AsRock X570 taichi motherboard? They don't seem to be installed by default
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: wich wifi chipset is that
[03:56] <leonardus> All I can find is "Intel® Wi-Fi 6 802.11ax (2.4Gbps) + BT 5.0"
[03:56] <leonardus> The bluetooth is working, but not the wifi
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: can you pasetbin: sudo lshw -C network please
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: did wifi work during your setup?
[03:57] <leonardus> I don't think so, no
[03:57] <leonardus> I had to use a USB adapter
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: did you update your ssytem to latest?
[03:58] <leonardus> apt update says All packages are up to date.
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> ok
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: pastebin: sudo lshw -C network plz?
[03:59] <leonardus> https://termbin.com/qv24
[03:59] <jkoofer> @lotuspsycheje I am on my machine that has a dual boot. I am in my windows 7 now.
[04:00] <jkoofer> is there another way of doing this?
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: try a cable in your pc, instead of wifi and come back to irc with ubuntu
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: one adapter seems unclaimed, and your atheros driver seems loaded
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: are you dualbooting in uefi mode?
[04:01] <jkoofer> @lotuspsycheje: i'm not able to do that. I live in a guest house using wifi from the main house which is 40 feet away.
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: do you recall your wifi chipset in your pc?
[04:02] <leonardus> lotuspsychje: yes I am
[04:02] <leonardus> I think so, at least
[04:02] <leonardus> I created an EFI system partition when installing Ubuntu
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: uefi settings can block hardware, aka wifi or graphics
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: can you pastebin your dmesg plz?
[04:03] <leonardus> https://termbin.com/3f93
[04:05] <jkoofer> @lotuspsycheje it is a realtek
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: atheros is your usb dongle?
[04:05] <leonardus> yeah
[04:05] <amazoniantoad> I am trying to connect to an openvpn server in ubuntu. I imported the ovpn file but when I try to turn it on it just turns itself back off
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: realtek chipsets are kernel sensitive, wich ubuntu version are you trying please?
[04:06] <jkoofer> 18.04
[04:06] <amazoniantoad> Can someone help me figure out what is wrong with it?
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: pastebin: sudo lshw -C video too plz?
[04:07] <leonardus> I installed nvidia-driver-430 while in nomodeset to get my graphics working
[04:07] <leonardus> https://termbin.com/v5zx
[04:07] <jkoofer> i put ubuntu 18.04 on my machine last week and it was working fine for wifi. I restarted the machine today and it says that it detects the network but that there is a connection failure
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: hmm weird it doesnt show the exact chipset there
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: how about: nvidia-smi
[04:08] <leonardus> lotuspsychje: it is an RTX 2080 Super
[04:08] <leonardus> https://termbin.com/8thu
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: could you try to enter grub and boot a previous kernel please?
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: ok tnx, looks good
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: your wifi is not disabled in bios or such? or some physical switch?
[04:10] <leonardus> it works in windows
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: i dont see an iwlwifi issue on dmesg, weird
[04:11] <jkoofer> @lotuspsychje, that is beyond my currently capability. I have only been using linux for 4 days. I apologize. Someone mentioned to me that it is likely that "the dns server is wrong" I don't know how to articulate as I'm a newb. Perhaps that info helps? My friend said that it pinged when we did a test for a public ip address.
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: to enter grub: hold SHIFT at boot, then choose ubuntu(previous kernel) and see if you can make your wifi work on a lower kernel
[04:12] <jkoofer> ok
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: try booting legacy as a test plz
[04:12] <jkoofer> i will boot into ubuntu, hopefully that will work and i will check back here through ubuntu!
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: good luck!
[04:12] <leonardus> lotuspsychje: how?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: in your bios settings, fastboot=off secureboot=off
[04:13] <jkoofer> question tho, why would it work this last week but stop working when i rebooted it? btw when i restarted my computer it was flickering at the ubuntu loading screen. i had to do a hard shut off and then do it again. the next time it booted up fine.
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: there is a known bug on realtek and kernel 5.0
[04:14] <jkoofer> ok
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: wich brand is your computer plz?
[04:14] <jkoofer> toshiba satellite a6 vision amd
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> ok interesting, try the previous kernel jkoofer
[04:15] <jkoofer> ok will do.
[04:16] <leonardus> lotuspsychje: just checked and they were both already disabled
[04:16] <leonardus> i've tried turning fast boot on before but it wouldn't load the nvme driver so i disabled it again
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: so your booting legacy, not uefi?
[04:18] <leonardus> I don't know. I have an EFI partition.
[04:19] <leonardus> It wouldn't let me proceed with the installation without an EFI partition.
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: i canty find another logical reason, as i find nothing on iwlwifi in your dmesg
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> unless i overlook..
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: does your wifi icon show double chipsets, when you plugin your usb dongle?
[04:21] <leonardus> No, just one
[04:21] <BerenErchamion>  What's the best, most reliable way to install the latest version of Skype for Linux?
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> thats weird leonardus hence i suspect uefi block
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> !latest | BerenErchamion
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> BerenErchamion: there's a snap of skype if you want
[04:22] <jkoofer> @lotuspsychje yay it worked
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: wich kernel are you on now?
[04:23] <BerenErchamion> Oh yeah, I think I found the snap
[04:23] <jkoofer> 5.0.0-23-generic
[04:23] <BerenErchamion> I found the snap for Skype here:  https://www.tecmint.com/install-skype-in-debian-ubuntu-linux-mint/  totuspsychje
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> BerenErchamion: snap find skype
[04:24] <BerenErchamion> After install snap, I do this:  snap install skype --classic  ?
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: can you try to edit your grub and this kernel line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.fastboot=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=4"
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: you can edit this in: /etc/default/grub then sudo update-grub to make it active
[04:25] <BerenErchamion> But before I install skype on the command line, should I add the Canonical Partner repository, since I'm using Linux Mint?
[04:26] <jkoofer> do i enter GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.fastboot=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=4"    into a terminal?
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: no, you need to edit grub to add it
[04:27] <BerenErchamion> Or is it better to just download the Debian package from the Skype website and install with gdebi?
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> BerenErchamion: the users choice BerenErchamion
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> BerenErchamion: we always try to reccomend to keep ubuntu the official way
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> BerenErchamion: but the users ahve the choice of snaps, ppa's or .debs
[04:28] <jkoofer> eh.. still really new with linux only 5 days in. am i using the terminal? what should i put into the terminal?
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[04:29] <jkoofer> ok
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: then add this i915.fastboot=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=4 after quiet splash
[04:30] <jkoofer> into the *grub window correct?
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: it will open the grub config yes
[04:31] <Bashing-om> jkoofer: ^^ once the edit is done in terminal run ' sudo update-grub ' to propagate the change.
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: if you did it correct, your line will look like this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.fastboot=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=4"
[04:34] <jkoofer> in which window lotuspsychje? the terminal or the grub window?
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: your grub config window
[04:39] <Bashing-om> jkoofer: Better to run sudo here with the -H switch ' sudo -H gedit /etc/default/grub ' this starts the test editoe "fedit' opening the file "grub" in the directories "/etc/default/".
[04:40] <Bashing-om> test/text**
[04:40] <jkoofer> # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
[04:40] <jkoofer> # /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[04:40] <jkoofer> # For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
[04:40] <jkoofer> #   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
[04:40] <jkoofer> GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[04:40] <jkoofer> GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: just paste that 1 line
[04:41] <BerenErchamion> If I do this . . . https://snapcraft.io/install/skype/mint  . . . do I still need to add the Canonical Partner Repository?
[04:42] <jkoofer> thank you for bearing with me here. I'm really sorry with my lack of familiarty with how to execute what you would like me to do.
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: just add that line, and save your grub config
[04:43] <jkoofer> where in the grub do i enter it? the bottom? top?
[04:43] <jkoofer> the last line is: #GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1"
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: there's already this line, do you see this=  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash
[04:44] <jkoofer> should i put it directly underneath that?
[04:44] <jkoofer> yes
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: now after splash add:  i915.fastboot=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=4"
[04:44] <jkoofer> got it. so replace that line with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.fastboot=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=4"
[04:44] <jkoofer> ok
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: good, after that save it
[04:46] <jkoofer> ok terminal is moving now
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: now: sudo update-grub in your terminal
[04:46] <jkoofer> i just did
[04:47] <jkoofer> Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub'
[04:47] <jkoofer> Generating grub configuration file ...
[04:47] <jkoofer> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.0.0-25-generic
[04:47] <jkoofer> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.0.0-25-generic
[04:47] <jkoofer> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.0.0-23-generic
[04:48] <jkoofer> should i do anything else after that?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: ok, now try to reboot into your latest kernel again
[04:48] <jkoofer> ok
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> to see if it will remove the flickering
[04:53] <jkoofer> @lotuspychje it's working :)
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: great! do you have a launchpad account?
[04:53] <jkoofer> i don't believe so. I am not familiar with launchpad
[04:54] <jkoofer> should i have it?
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: could you make one at launchpad.net please
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: i would like you to affect an existing bug, to help the community
[04:56] <juanonymous> are you guys familiar with this package cmdline1.1
[04:57] <jkoofer> ok @lotuspsychje i did it
[04:58] <jkoofer> i created the account. what should i do next
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: tnx, now visit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1838644
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: and press the green text: yes this bug affects me
[04:59] <jkoofer> ok. will do. just to be clear, it only did it to me once.
[04:59] <jkoofer> i clicked the green text
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: thank you!
[05:00] <ubuntutips> how do you open a terminal? the shortcut CTRL + ALT + T does not work for me (19.04)
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: now this bug is still being worked on currently, when new kernel versions come out, you can try to remove the kernel line
[05:01] <jkoofer> ok
[05:02] <jkoofer> i'm so new to this that i'm concerned that when the new terminal comes out (is it years or months?) that I won't remember to do that and/or won't do it properly.
[05:02] <jkoofer> i'm sorry kernal not terminal
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: if you need help, come back to #ubuntu we will help you
[05:04] <jkoofer> also, if i was to articulate the problem how would i say it? "the current kernal has a bug with the realtek chipsets so i had to put a command line into the grub window to make it do something else than what it does by default"?
[05:04] <jkoofer> ok will do
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: yep that sounds good
[05:05] <jkoofer> was that command line that you had me put in there, is that command line from the previous kernal?
[05:05] <jkoofer> ^i'm not sure if that question is articulated properly. i know next to nothing with linux
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> jkoofer: its a work around for a bug/commit thats being worked on for kernel 5.0 series
[05:06] <jkoofer> i guess what i mean what did that command line tell it to do ?
[05:06] <jkoofer> ok
[05:07] <jkoofer> i think that explanation is good enough. i just want to be able to tell my friend
[05:07] <jkoofer> thank you again for your help
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> np jkoofer
[05:09] <ubuntutips> lotuspsychje how do you usually launch terminals?
[05:21] <ph88> i did dist-upgrade for Lubuntu now i get asked if i want lightdm or sddm ... what should i choose ?
[06:33] <Mathisen> ph88, lightdm if you using default de
[06:33] <ph88> default de ?
[06:33] <Mathisen> as in LXDE
[06:40] <BerenErchamion> Is there a Flatpak PPA available for Ubuntu 18.04?
[06:40] <BerenErchamion> This is why I asked:  https://www.fossmint.com/install-flatpak-in-linux/
[06:42] <OerHeks> BerenErchamion, that ppa gives a newer version than our repos, still be carefull, trust the owner jada jada https://launchpad.net/~alexlarsson/+archive/ubuntu/flatpak
[06:42] <OerHeks> !info flatpack
[06:42] <OerHeks> !info flatpak
[06:45] <BerenErchamion> I found this:  https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/02/how-to-install-flatpak-on-ubuntu-flathub
[06:45] <BerenErchamion> I'm using bionic beaver because I got Linux Mint 19.2 Cinnamon which has the Ubuntu 18.04 package base
[06:50] <fiter> Hi I updated my Ubunut 18.04 and now when I start the system the ubuntu loads again and again, but it never starts the system. Is there any way to solve this problem?
[06:50] <OerHeks> BerenErchamion, interesting.. but those forks are not supported, find the mint channel
[06:50] <OerHeks> !mint
[06:54] <OerHeks> fiter, this could well be an .xauthority issue, see the fix https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-ubuntu-login-loop/
[06:56] <BerenErchamion> I already asked for advice installing skype in both the #linuxmint-help and the #linuxmint-chat channels in spotchat. But when they weren't much help, and didn't show any interest in skype.
[06:57] <OerHeks> skype, i can tell is only available as snap
[06:57] <OerHeks> prop. software
[06:57] <fiter> OerHeks thanks for it , but it remains here https://i.stack.imgur.com/3Rbv7.jpg , and keeps on loading again and again
[06:57] <lonelygrommet> Hi
[06:57] <OerHeks> and another reason for choosing ubuntu ove mint, the great support
[06:57] <OerHeks> c/over
[06:58] <lonelygrommet> Could someone help me identify a theme please?
[06:58] <lonelygrommet> from a pic.
[06:59] <OerHeks> good thing i have no clue about themes, good luck!
[06:59] <lonelygrommet> lol
[07:01] <BerenErchamion> OerHeks Well, I can get the Debian package from here:  https://www.skype.com/en/get-skype/
[07:14] <lyr> Hi guys
[07:16] <lyr> I'm struggling installing Ubuntu 19.04 on a brand new Dell XPS 7590. I disabled SecureBoot, set disks from RAID to AHCI in the BIOS. Booting on "UEFI: USB ...". Installing end up with "Executing grub-install /dev/nvme0n1 failed".  I tried many things, making the partitions manually, nothing worked so far. It's a GPT, UEFI partition is here, boot fl
[07:16] <lyr> ag is ok...
[07:17] <chieta> i could access the samba share from file manager ... i could open the file but couldn't copy it all... what happen
[07:17] <EriC^^> lyr: try to install using "ubiquity -b" to not install a bootloader, then chroot and manually do it
[07:18] <BerenErchamion> When ubottu said that Flatpak package does not exist in bionic, was he referring to Flatpak in generally, or only Flatpak for Skype?
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> BerenErchamion: as said before, we reccomend you to install packages from the official repos, instead of external ppa's or debs
[07:19] <chieta> is snapd official lotuspsychje
[07:19] <chieta> ?
[07:19] <OerHeks> BerenErchamion, flatpack exists. read carefully, but you better join the mint channels
[07:19] <lyr> EriC^^ : will try. I guess you mean chroot /target/ then grub-install /dev/nvme0 ?
[07:23] <BerenErchamion> The mint channels are very good for supporting most packages and installations, but Skype is not popular with them, because they're using other chat apps, like snapchat/instagram/twitter/tumbler
[07:24] <OerHeks> BerenErchamion, ubuntu support only here. so, i am not going to answer anymore, good luck
[07:24] <BerenErchamion> So there's a lack of interest in skype in the #linuxmint channels on spotchat
[07:24] <OerHeks> mint has it s own issues.
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> chieta: snapd is official yes, but individual snaps are maintained by several maintainers, meaning you need to trust them
[07:25] <OerHeks> check out packages @ snapcraft.io
[07:27] <BerenErchamion> That's a good question, which packages that provide Skype are using the official repos?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> BerenErchamion: OerHeks already said to join the mint support
[07:52] <BerenErchamion> ok, thanks for your help. And you're right about Debian and snapd not using LinuxMint's official repo
[07:53] <BerenErchamion> Flathub is my best option, cause it uses the official repo for my distribution of Linux
[07:54] <BerenErchamion> and it's in the Software Manager for skype
[08:22] <kettlecooked> I use Ubuntu WSL subsystem in Windows 10. When launching Ubuntu terminal and listing directories they're dark blue and unreadable. Fixed that by an LS_COLORS variable in .bashrc. So far so good. However, if I connect from this terminal to a remote server, then that servers bash settings seems to take precedence and I'm back to dark blue unreadable again. Any idea on what I can do to solve it more permanently?
[08:34] <dionysus69> can anyone assist me with fixing audio problem?
[08:35] <dionysus69> laptop here, bluetooth and internal speaker volume output is atrociously low, like 10% of the original sound and everything is maxed out both system volume and app volume
[08:35] <dionysus69> tried both pulse audio and alsamixer, everything is at 100%
[08:36] <dionysus69> the volume is ok through the aux cable, headphones for example
[08:36] <dionysus69> what can be wrong? I am dealing with this for a looong time now
[08:36] <dionysus69> could it be a kernel problem?
[08:52] <diskin> dionysus69, hi, are you sure it's not a hardware problem?
[08:52] <dionysus69> nope
[08:52] <dionysus69> how can it happen to both internal speakers And bluetooth connected devices?
[08:53] <dionysus69> the bluetooth device i am talking about is very, very loud on my android phone
[08:53] <Gosset> Hi, I want to install Ubuntu. What do you recommend me, installing LTS 18.04 or 19.10 (given that next LTS will be 20.04 next april)? Thanks
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: the users choice between LTS or non-LTS
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: how do you want to use ubuntu?
[08:54] <OerHeks> Gosset, for stability, stick to LTS, and btw 18.04 fresh install adds HWE
[08:54] <OerHeks> !hwe
[08:54] <EoflaOE> Gosset: If you want long time suport, choose 18.04. If you need to test bugs, choose 19.10.
[08:54] <EoflaOE> support*
[08:54] <Gosset> ok thanks
[08:54] <Gosset> I think I'll wait until April then
[08:57] <Gosset> I have Ubuntu 18.04 on another PC, what's going to happen when I upgrade to 20.04?
[08:57] <Gosset> Will I lose my configurations?
[08:58] <EoflaOE> Gosset: As long as you don't interrupt the upgrade process, you'll progress into 20.04 fine without losing the configuration.
[08:59] <Gosset> ok thanks
[08:59] <EoflaOE> You are welcome
[09:03] <bodiccea> I have an issue on Firefox/XUbuntu, when I wake-up the system. Xorg takes 100% CPU (nvidia card), FF takes a lot too, 30%. Just for a min or so, but I cannot find any log for any problem. Strange.
[09:04] <bodiccea> all other programs work fine. Maybe I should discuss on a FF channel, I would just like some input, if you have the same issue
[09:09] <lamar_123> hello anyone, i have a problem want to query
[09:09] <EriC^^> !ask | lamar_123
[09:13] <lamar_123> the package name:"pulseaudio_12.2-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb", what is the purpose of  "0ubuntu5"?
[09:15] <ayew> 0 is the debian version (aka no debian package or ahead of debian)
[09:16] <OerHeks> the number after ubuntu gives the backported update IIRC
[09:17] <ayew> i believe 5 is the number of update iterations away from the last debian package version
[09:17] <ayew> actually
[09:20] <ayew> so 0ubuntu5 translates to the ubuntu package has been updated 5 times since it was last forked from debian.
[09:21] <lamar_123> i use the apt install pulseaudio in 16.04,the pulseaudio version is 8.0; but in the 19.04, the version is 12.2
[09:22] <lamar_123> I think it has something to do with this string "0ubuntu5"?
[09:22] <ayew> its just to do with which package version is available in the xenial and disco repos
[09:22] <ayew> see: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/pulseaudio
[09:23] <ayew> you can use backports to get a newer version
[09:24] <lamar_123> can i update the "disco" package to "xenial"?
[09:24] <lamar_123> i want to update the pulseaudio verion to 12.2, in the ubuntu 16.04
[09:24] <ayew> other way around xenial = 16.04, disco = 19.04
[09:24] <piraye> hello
[09:25] <piraye> I cant open terminal
[09:25] <tomreyn> running which ubuntu version, graphical desktop, hardware?
[09:26] <Ben64> piraye: how did you upgrade python
[09:26] <piraye> in the right top of screen of my computer give me red alarm
[09:26] <piraye> Ben64, yes after upgarde python I got this problem
[09:26] <diskin> dionysus69, so, nothing mentioned in https://askubuntu.com/questions/390734/volume-low-even-at-maximum helped?
[09:27] <Ben64> piraye: right, but how did you do that, what version did you go from and to
[09:27] <piraye> Ben64, https://www.itsupportwale.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-to-python-3-7-on-ubuntu-18-10/
[09:28] <ayew> lamar_123: often you can use backports (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports) to get a newer version then is supplied by default in your version's repositories. however as you can see on the package page there is no package for pulseaudio in xenial-backports. You can enable any repo you like of course but if it isnt backported it may cause issues
[09:28] <piraye> I think it is now python 3.7
[09:28] <piraye> I dont remember its version exactly
[09:29] <piraye> Ben64, I think it was 3.6 and now become 3.7
[09:29] <tomreyn> lamar_123: it's not very likely that you'll find a backport or PPA providing this new pulseaudio version for ubuntu 16.04. if you actually need a newer pulseaudio version - why?! - you should consider upgrading ubuntu.
[09:29] <piraye> I dont remember exactly the version
[09:30] <ayew> if you must pull from a non-backported, newer repo, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto. But a much better option is just to upgrade your distro.
[09:31] <piraye> Ben64, please any idea how to solve this problem
[09:31] <tomreyn> pinning will most likely not help there, it's very unlikely you'll be able to satisfy dependencies
[09:31] <OerHeks> !mix
[09:32] <dionysus69> diskin: nope I tried everything of that sort
[09:32] <tomreyn> piraye: which ubuntu version are you running?
[09:32] <piraye> 18.04
[09:32] <tomreyn> piraye: the how-to you worked with is for ubuntu 18.10, though
[09:33] <OerHeks> 18.10 is eol?
[09:33] <piraye> I did not worked with, I just upgarde it, and today I cant open terminal
[09:33] <tomreyn> yes, that, too
[09:34] <tomreyn> piraye: you can switch to a !tty, login there and undo the change to update-alternatives you made, setting it to the default version.
[09:34] <piraye> I did mistake with upgrading it with version ubuntu 18.10
[09:35] <piraye> tomreyn, how can I find tty
[09:35] <tomreyn> piraye: python, and the default version of it, is essential for system level software on ubuntu, you should not override its default version (it's okay to install multiple ubuntu packaged python versions side by side, though)
[09:35] <tomreyn> !tty
[09:35] <OerHeks> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[09:36] <alexsson> :O
[09:36] <piraye> tomreyn, my question how to do it, the terminal not open for me
[09:37] <alexsson> hi @piraye
[09:37] <piraye> hi alexsson
[09:37] <tomreyn> piraye: ubottu and i just explained, login to a tty (as explained by ubottu) and run sudo    update-alternatives --config python3    setting it to the "auto" value again.
[09:38] <tomreyn> * "auto mode"
[09:38] <piraye> how to loging to tty
[09:39] <tomreyn> use your username and password
[09:39] <piraye> where it is
[09:39] <tomreyn> do you read?
[09:40] <alexsson> tty= TeleTYpewriter. You need one of those.
[09:40] <piraye> there is ttyplot
[09:40] <tomreyn> !tty | piraye
[09:40] <alexsson> tty= https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/425tdd.JPG
[09:40] <OerHeks> we need to type out exactly ..?
[09:41] <tomreyn> alexsson: please, this doesn't help, he's already confused
[09:42] <piraye> tomreyn, I have to press Ctrl + Alt + F3-F6 at one time?
[09:43] <andY819> hi what is the name of text editor in ubuntu?
[09:44] <Ben64> there's so many
[09:44] <Ben64> !editor
[09:44] <Ben64> that's a few of them
[09:44] <andY819> i know, and i tried nano and vim but its not... some genius named it "Text Editor" in apps menu wtf lol
[09:45] <andY819> trying to edit conf as root... need name of txt editor in it lol
[09:45] <Ben64> just use nano or something
[09:45] <andY819> i dont want to install nano, not my machine
[09:46] <Ben64> pretty sure it's part of the standard install
[09:46] <andY819> i tried sudo nano usr/share/smb.conf ... then vim, thenm vi, none is there
[09:46] <geirha> update-alternatives --list editor
[09:46] <EoflaOE> piraye: You have to press for example Ctrl+Alt+F3
[09:46] <OerHeks> gedit, in standard ubuntu/gnome3
[09:46] <andY819> thats it thx!
[09:48] <andY819> btw why those who cook it dont name it "Text Editor [name here]" or something like that... im a half noob, so imagine complete noob trying to figure it out lol
[09:48] <tomreyn> piraye: you have to hold down ctrl and alt, then tap on one of F3, F4, F5, F6, then release ctrl and alt.
[09:49] <piraye> ok
[09:49] <cluelessperson> andY819 everyone thinks differently.  You could google "linux text editors"
[09:49] <cluelessperson> andY819   or rather, "linux built in text editors",   rather.  Google is its own art.   But the typical ones are vi  and nano
[09:50] <andY819> yes, but the name of the program should be the NAME of it, not the description of it - even windoze follows that...
[09:50] <cluelessperson> andY819   I'm confused, they are.
[09:50] <cluelessperson> I type   nano or vi, and that's what I get
[09:51] <lamar_123> tomreyn: upgrading the ubuntu had a big impact on our products,i want to separate upgrade pulseaudio. this may reduce the impact
[09:52] <cluelessperson> lamar_123  really shouldn't be just running willy nilly ubuntu for your products anyway
[09:52] <OerHeks> lamar_123, sore the stable pulseaudio with backported fixes should work fine, why do you need a newer version?
[09:52] <tomreyn> lamar_123: this sounds more like you should miprove your products to be compatible with newer ubuntu versions
[09:52] <andY819> if you look at installed programs menu, thats where i ask my total noob friend to look for the name of text editor on his box, he said its named "Text Editor", there is no name of the program, which is gedit.  "Text Editor" is description of gedit, dont you think?
[09:52] <andY819> anyways, thx 4 help, all done.
[09:55] <piraye> tomreyn, I got this error no module named 'apt-pkg'
[09:56] <tomreyn> piraye: you need to provide context when you make such statements - we can't watch over your shoulder. and i need to leave for now, good luck.
[09:56] <OerHeks> apt-pkg .. that is debian, not ubuntu?
[09:57] <piraye> no, I am using ubuntu
[09:57] <piraye> after loging, I run sudo then uddate alternatives then --config python3
[10:03] <fub> Hi. I copied all my data from my drive to an external one with `cd /data/external && cp -R /data/share .` Now when doing a `du -sh .` in both folders, the differ for 10G (the data is about 1TB). I want to ensure now all files also exist on the external drive, so I run `rsync -avh /data/share /data/external`, is that the correct way of doing it?
[10:03] <fub> Want to make sure Im not doing something stupid here.
[10:05] <ayew> andY819: GNOME decided to rename everything to generic names around the time GNOME 3 came out. I too find it annoying, and everyone still refers to them by their own names because thats why the packages are called and no on ehas any clue other wise
[10:06] <cluelessperson> fub  use rsync
[10:08] <cluelessperson> how do I navigate whatever internals that ubuntu is using for various inputs?
[10:08] <cluelessperson> for example pen stylus/touch screen?
[10:08] <ayew> as in their path?
[10:09] <cluelessperson> as in, what the heck is there and how do I configure it?
[10:10] <cluelessperson> I want to understand from hardware detected, to drivers used and interfaces triggered or whtaever
[10:10] <fub> cluelessperson: yeah I used cp first. Now the difference and so I want to use the rsync command I posted
[10:10] <lamar_123> OerHeks:, tomreyn:because pulseaudio and alsa, have some problem in Intel Cherry Trail device(lpe_hdmi_audio). in order to fix it. i have to update the pulseaudio
[10:13] <hyperfekt> Hello everyone, I'm trying to recreate Ubuntu's excellent hardware support on another distro and was wondering where I could find the source for device-specific fixes, module options, settings etc.
[10:15] <ayew> clueless: lsdev is a bit of a catchall that tries to list all devices
[10:17] <ayew> cluelessperson: I've found it practially useless in what info you get so you'll probably have to take a case by case approach
[10:17] <cluelessperson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touchscreen  this documentation is basically useless
[10:20] <cluelessperson> ayew   found some comments leading to this software:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[10:20] <cluelessperson> looks promising
[10:21] <ayew> yeah was just about to say xinput handles all the calibration, but I thought I saw it already mentioned in the Touchscreen ubuntu docs
[10:30] <piraye> hello, I cant open terminal
[10:31] <piraye> and some frinds here suggest to me some option of solve the problem and after doing it I got these errors
[10:31] <cluelessperson> omfg, this documentation is outdated garbage
[10:31] <piraye> https://paste2.org/ecCY6xWs
[10:31] <piraye> in that past2 I put what I did and what I get as error
[10:31] <piraye> please, need your help
[10:35] <ayew> cluelessperson: yeah all the docs and info on touchscreens are from like 2014 when it barely worked. i guess because it "just works" now there isnt good documentation
[10:35] <cluelessperson> piraye  what the heck does "can't open the terminal" mean
[10:36] <ayew> you're obviously in a terminal from what the paste says?
[10:36] <cluelessperson> ayew   Whenever someone modifies ubuntu, they should be updating " here's the thing we've used and where the configuration is stored"
[10:37] <ayew> you mean you can't access python?
[10:37] <ayew> piraye: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall python3-apt
[10:41] <ayew> that should address the module Not found Error:No module named 'apt-pkg' issue
[10:41] <cluelessperson> I don't understand why different things are used to track states of devices.
[10:41] <cluelessperson> I think it should just be a universal component
[10:42] <ayew> well, the solution would be to develop a higher level wrapper for all these commands
[10:44] <cluelessperson> a lack of documentation makes it supremely hard to do anything
[10:45] <cluelessperson> hard to help, hard to improve hard to troubleshoot, hard to use
[10:46] <piraye> cluelessperson, I cant open terminal, I cant launch it
[10:46] <cluelessperson> piraye  looks to me that you're already in it
[10:46] <ayew> as in, you're inside your DE and the console GUI wont open?
[10:46] <piraye> ayew, I cant try what you are asking me because I cant open terminal
[10:47] <piraye> no iam not in
[10:47] <piraye> by mistake I upgrade into python3.7 in ubuntu 10 and I am already have ubuntu 18.04
[10:48] <ayew> cluelessperson: i had a similar conundrum trying to deal with fan speeds and temp sensors beccause my fans were all running at 100% constantly. theres a automated configuration for it, but it uses ids that change at each boot to identify each fans and hardware sensor, instead of the absolute filepaths that dont change. had to manually match them up by checking if their values lined up and hunting through a
[10:48] <ayew> massive tree of possible locations in /sys/
[10:48] <piraye> what I show you i past2 it is from login into tty by Ctrl+Alt+F3
[10:48] <ayew> so what do you current see in your screen?
[10:49] <piraye> some friends here suggest me doing this: To get to the TTY terminals 3-6, use the keystroke Ctrl + Alt + F3-F6 respectively. Ctrl-Alt-F2 or Ctrl-Alt-F1 will get you back to your graphical login (Ctrl-Alt-F7 on 16.04). To change TTY resolution, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[10:49] <piraye> unfotantly I got that error in paste2
[10:50] <piraye> cluelessperson, are you reading my text, please could you help or anyone can help
[10:51] <piraye> I am using ubuntu 18.04
[10:52] <piraye> ayew, I think it is just possible to run this "sudo apt-get install --reinstall python3-apt" in treminal, right?
[10:52] <piraye> so, terminal not working, how could I solve this problem?
[10:55] <ayew> you can use a gui package manger such as synaptic as well
[10:56] <andre144k>  hi all.. anyone know a shortcut to change insde "mc" active folder to folder from other window-side? - so that both folders are same?
[11:01] <piraye> ayew, I opened synaptic now, how can use sudo apt-get install --reinstall python3-apt
[11:01] <ayew> search for python3-apt. right click on it and select "mark for reinstallation"
[11:02] <ayew> but, if updating python completely broke your console somehow, i dobut this issue is the root one, merely a symptom
[11:02] <ayew> then press apply btw
[11:04] <piraye> ayew, I did and it is done
[11:04] <piraye> now what should i do
[11:05] <ayew> as i said, i was addressing a specific issue from you're paste, but odds are you need to revert to the previous version of python as you are on an old version of ubuntu many apps might rely on a specific version
[11:06] <cluelessperson> Where does the xinput list even come from?
[11:07] <piraye> then what should i do I want the defult one
[11:07] <ayew> in order to get back into console try a different terminal emulator (if you are using ubuntu most likely you have gnome-terminal) try using synaptic to install a package called xterm
[11:08] <ayew> what was the original version of python you had?
[11:08] <ayew> try the following once you get into a terminal:
[11:09] <piraye> it was 3.6
[11:09] <ayew> sudo rm /usr/bin/python3, then sudo ln -s python3.6 python3
[11:10] <piraye> how can I do it with gnome-terminal
[11:10] <piraye> you mean
[11:10] <ayew> okay, easier way is to go back into tty like you said you did earlier
[11:10] <ayew> then enter those commands
[11:11] <piraye> ok I will go there, and then what I will do
[11:11] <piraye> aha just after login
[11:11] <ayew> sudo rm /usr/bin/python3, then sudo ln -s python3.6 python3
[11:11] <ayew> yes after login
[11:11] <piraye> ok
[11:11] <geirha> that requires that you're standing in /usr/bin, and that python3.6 is located there
[11:12] <geirha> sudo ln -sf python3.6 /usr/bin/python3
[11:13] <piraye> ayew, I did
[11:15] <piraye> geirha, i did
[11:16] <piraye> thanks a lot it is working now
[11:16] <piraye> thank you very much ayew and geirha :)
[11:17] <unimatrix9> now that gksu is deprecated ,  how do i run a python script with admin://
[11:17] <unimatrix9> ?
[11:17] <kristhian> hi, i need help on how to transfer this ssl-dir (openssl/opensslv.h) to usr/include
[11:18] <geirha> If you want another python3 as default, I suggest you install it as /usr/local/bin/python3 instead, that way the system scripts that rely on /usr/bin/python3 specifically, won't be affected
[11:18] <kristhian> can someone help?
[11:18] <kristhian> error: bad ssl-dir: cannot find openssl/opensslv.h under /usr/include
[11:19] <OerHeks> unimatrix9, use pkexec <someapp>
[11:19] <geirha> kristhian: header files are installed by packages ending with -dev. You are possibly wanting   libssl-dev   in this case
[11:20] <OerHeks> https://itsfoss.com/gksu-replacement-ubuntu/
[11:20] <kristhian> i see, i guess that is the solution geirha. i only installed openssl
[11:20] <kristhian> let me try it
[11:20] <geirha> kristhian: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/libssl-dev/filelist
[11:24] <kristhian> should i remove the previously installed openssl then changed it to libssl-dev or it doesnt matter?
[11:25] <unimatrix9> i treid that but got error
[11:26] <unimatrix9> pkexec python3 /pathtoscript.py
[11:26] <unimatrix9> tkinter.TclError: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable
[11:27] <OerHeks> err why run a python script as root?
[11:29] <unimatrix9> yeah good question ..
[11:29] <aquanaut> Hi,everyone.I upgrade ubuntu to 19.04.Then I can not use gnuplot and trelis with info gnuplot: /opt/Trelis-16.1/bin/libQt5Core.so.5: version `Qt_5.11' not found (required by gnuplot).Who can help me?Thanks a lot.
[11:30] <unimatrix9> i think i need to re-design the idea ..
[11:31] <unimatrix9> to save battery power i had btusb blacklisted
[11:31] <unimatrix9> every now and then needed to get it back, so : sudo modprobe -r btusb && sudo modprobe btusb
[11:31] <unimatrix9> would be the idea, then wrapped in a script ;)
[11:32] <OerHeks> aquanaut, trelis runs on 18.04 only ? https://github.com/roots/trellis
[11:32] <OerHeks> downgrade == reinstall
[11:32] <unimatrix9> i have a bash script, now was working on a python gui script ..
[11:32] <unimatrix9> but its not that important ;)
[11:34] <aquanaut>  Hi,everyone.I upgrade ubuntu to 19.04.Then I can not use gnuplot and trelis with info gnuplot: /opt/Trelis-16.1/bin/libQt5Core.so.5: version `Qt_5.11' not found (required by gnuplot).Who can help me?Thanks a lot.
[11:36] <legreffier> OerHeks: it's irrelevant here, the scripts just pop some ubuntu 18.04 vm in vbox
[11:36] <legreffier> you can run it on whatever box with vbox and ansible available
[11:37] <OerHeks> legreffier, see aquanaut running 19.04, and i am not sure that trelis is suitable for that
[11:38] <OerHeks> someone tried with a ppa  https://launchpad.net/~beineri/+archive/ubuntu/opt-qt-5.11.0-bionic
[11:38] <OerHeks> oh, bionic only
[11:40] <unimatrix9> thanks for your time, have a nice day !
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:11] <kristhian> hi is this an issue of gcc - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9HkK7xcQrM/
[12:11] <kristhian> when i run make that is what i get
[12:12] <kristhian> im running ubuntu 16.04.5 xenial
[12:33] <geirha> kristhian: It passes -Wall, amongst other -W-options, to gcc. They cause gcc to warn about potentially bad code
[12:33] <geirha> kristhian: I don't see any actual errors in that output, only warnings, so the compilation should've succeeded
[12:36] <legreffier> OerHeks: i meant the host system is irrelevant as it will create some vm with the environment needed (here 18.04), the point is to be able to spawn it anywhere (whatever version of ubuntu, windows, mac, ...)
[12:40] <kristhian> let me try running it, thanks
[12:54] <yogg> Hi
[12:56] <yogg> I search for a network monitoring tool with a very high resolution and where I can have a look on the data without web interface. A cli or a create image command would be fine
[12:57] <yogg> But I need the data from at least one day so nothing that shows me the data live (iftop, nload, ...)
[12:58] <SpiritHorse> tcpdump?
[12:58] <ponyrider> wireshark-cli? kismet? idk these are the one which ppl use
[12:58] <ponyrider> but like.. you can have a gtk or qt interface right? so imo, just get wireshark
[12:59] <yogg> but I don't want the data, I only want the traffic statistics
[13:00] <yogg> or do I misunderstand something here?
[13:04] <yogg> Oh I see my question is not clear. I only want statistics of the network (upload in bit/byte, download ...) not the network data itself. But I need it an an lets say 5 seconds resolution
[13:05] <yogg> over one day
[13:07] <ponyrider> yogg: if you want something really specific, you could configure an API to capture only the data you want. you would have much more control
[13:11] <yogg> No I don't want the data. I want something like munin, bandwidthd, nagios, ... but with high resolution and without the need of an web interface. "vnstat" does nearly what I wan't but has not enought resolution
[13:13] <raver> Netdata is nice
[13:13] <raver> But a Web solution
[13:14] <raver> https://github.com/netdata/netdata
[13:15] <raver> https://unix4lyfe.org/darkstat/
[13:15] <raver> this is much simpler and only for network traffic
[13:16] <ponyrider> yogg: but what i am saying is that if you look for an API, you can probably find one to suit your needs. I dont know if this is what you want, but just an example for a 2 second search: https://pypi.org/project/psutil/
[13:18] <stevecam> hey, im trying to install sssd-common_1.16.3 on ubuntu but it appears to be leaving dpkg in stiches, is anyone else having this issue?
[13:19] <stevecam> dpkg lock file error
[13:26] <yogg> raver ponyrider thx. Then I go this way. I just wonder why there is no finished tool for something like that.
[13:33] <lamar_123> where to find the ubuntu PPA list?
[13:34] <ponyrider> yogg: because what you are doing is very specific, and if you want it done 'your way' you have to build it yourself
[13:44] <stevecam> did anyone reply while i was gone sorry
[13:45] <lamar_123> tomreyn: where can i find the backport or PPA list?
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> !backports | lamar_123
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> stevecam: dpkg lock= try a reboot please
[13:53] <InnerUbuntu> how can I run a command after gdm login?
[13:54] <zteam> Hi, I had a power-failure yesterday, as a result my computer did shutdown, after rebooting all of my saved passwords is gone (I have an older backup, so no real worries), but I'm mightly suprised too see fsck not fixing this, shouldn't EXT 4, handle those things with ease (thanks to it journal)?
[13:56] <stevecam> lotuspsychje, ive tried that, amongst other things, anything else seems to work fine, just sssd-common_1.16.3-3ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb crashed dpkg
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> stevecam: can we see the apt output of whats going in a pastebin please?
[13:57] <stevecam> i was hoping someone else could try installing and removing the package to see if its isolated to my computer and sure thing
[14:07] <stevecam> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/zGVgNb6v
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> stevecam: system up to date?
[14:11] <stevecam> i like to keep it that way
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> stevecam: sorry?
[14:11] <stevecam> yes, i believe it is
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> kk
[14:12] <stevecam> ill try switching mirrors
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> stevecam: did you add external ppa's of any kind?
[14:14] <AppAraat> hello, I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 and I want to install Python 3.6 (or higher). I've followed this guide - https://askubuntu.com/a/865644 - but "python3 -V" still says Python 3.5.2
[14:17] <ponyrider> AppAraat: you would need to type python3.X or whatever version you want. there is probably a symlink in your python directory. you should not change that
[14:18] <AppAraat> ponyrider: in that case, where can I find the Python 3.6 executable? If I do "python3.6 -V" it says command not found.
[14:19] <ph88> hey guys, i try to install Lubuntu 19.04 on my VM and the live CD doesn't boot. 18.04 works fine. But when i do-release-upgrade from 18.04 to 19.04 it also refuses to boot ... how can i get the latest Lubuntu working ??
[14:19] <ioria> i doubt there is a python3.6 in the xenial repos
[14:19] <stevecam> no external ppa's
[14:19] <AppAraat> ioria: I installed it via pyenv (see the link in my OP)
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> stevecam: try a reboot, then try again
[14:20] <ioria> AppAraat, you know there is a ppa for that, right ?  (https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/python-3.6)
[14:21] <ponyrider> AppAraat: so see the ouput of $ ls -l /usr/bin/ | grep python to see what i mean about the symlink.
[14:22] <ponyrider> if you want the interpreter you can always type: $ /usr/bin/./python3.6
[14:23] <InnerUbuntu> How can I delete an entry in the gdm's session list?
[14:23] <InnerUbuntu> I'm referring to the "list" that appears when you click on the gear
[14:23] <AppAraat> ioria: I'll try that then, I thought I'd try the pyenv method since it only installs locally for the user and as such minimizes damage that might come with having multiple python versions on my system.
[14:24] <ioria> AppAraat, i see (maybe you're right)
[14:26] <ioria> InnerUbuntu, /var/lib/AccountsService/users/
[14:29] <ioria> AppAraat, another option is  here , without the 'make install' thing : https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-python-3-6-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[14:31] <stevecam> lotuspsychje ive been rebooting
[14:32] <AppAraat> ioria: installing deadsnake's PPA and then python3.6 broke pip for me unfortunately - https://paste.debian.net/1098405/ - now going to try ppa:jonathonf/python-3.6
[14:33] <ponyrider> AppAraat: sorry what is the 'damage' that comes from having mulitple pythons?
[14:33] <AppAraat> ponyrider: a broken pip apparently :)
[14:33] <ponyrider> AppAraat: how is your pip broken?
[14:33] <AppAraat> though according to that askubuntu link some users also claimed that ppa:jonathonf/python-3.6 broke their pip, hmmm.
[14:34] <AppAraat> ponyrider: https://paste.debian.net/1098405/
[14:34] <ponyrider> AppAraat: why do you need python3.6 specifically?
[14:34] <AppAraat> some app needs Python 3.6 or above, specifically this: https://github.com/JonnyHaystack/i3-resurrect
[14:35] <stevecam> ponyrider it doesnt cause problems for me however i have neglected to run pip3 from time to time
[14:35] <ioria> AppAraat, reinstall pi ? sudo easy_install pip
[14:35] <ioria> *pip
[14:37] <stevecam> lotuspsychje would you be able to try installing it and let me know what happens, if thats ok, if you cant thats fine too
[14:38] <stevecam> or anyone who has a spare vm they could open for me
[14:39] <AppAraat> ioria: doesn't seem to work - https://paste.debian.net/1098407/ - perhaps I should symlink something but not sure what.
[14:39] <AppAraat> (at least, I'm still getting that error upon the invokation of either pip or pip3)
[14:40] <stevecam> could someone try installing sssd-common and let me know if it succeeds or fails?
[14:40] <ponyrider> AppAraat: do no change the symlinks
[14:42] <ponyrider> AppAraat: pip3 --version
[14:42] <AppAraat> ponyrider: same error as before
[14:42] <ponyrider> AppAraat: does that work? no
[14:47] <B|ack0p>  hi. bluetooth was on but when i set it off i cant set back on now
[14:47] <B|ack0p> i couldnt pair bluetooth mouse so i turned off first but now i cant set it on
[14:48] <ponyrider> B|ack0p: rfkill list all
[14:49] <B|ack0p> ponyrider: 0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth Soft blocked: yes Hard blocked: no
[14:49] <ponyrider> its softblocked
[14:49] <B|ack0p> what can i do?
[14:50] <ponyrider> mmm rkfill unblock bluetooth ?
[14:50] <ponyrider> or maybe even.. rfkill unblock 0
[14:51] <B|ack0p> ponyrider: perfect
[14:51] <B|ack0p> thank you
[14:51] <ponyrider> np
[14:55] <AppAraat> so what are other methods that I can install Python / make pip work that you could recommend?
[14:56] <ponyrider> isnt pip in the repo? why cant you reinstall from there?
[14:57] <AppAraat> I tried easy_install pip but that failed (see previously posted link), is there any other way to install pip?
[14:58] <ponyrider> sudo apt-get instally python3-pip?
[14:59] <InnerUbuntu> ... or sudo apt install python-pip (for 2.x version of python)
[15:00] <InnerUbuntu> however, do you guys know how to change the default gnome session from terminal? Like from "Ubuntu" to "Ubuntu on Wayland"
[15:01] <InnerUbuntu> I've tried searching between some gdm config files but no luck, the closer thing I came across is the "gnome-session" command
[15:01] <AppAraat> ponyrider: says it's already on the newest version.
[15:01] <B|ack0p> not really
[15:01] <ponyrider> AppAraat: so can you run it after reiinstalling?
[15:01] <InnerUbuntu> AppAraat can't you launch it using $ pip3 ?
[15:02] <B|ack0p> python-pip and python3-pip not preinstalled
[15:02] <B|ack0p>   linux-headers-5.0.0-27 linux-headers-5.0.0-27-generic
[15:02] <B|ack0p> released?
[15:03] <ponyrider> InnerUbuntu: i dont use gnome sorry
[15:03] <InnerUbuntu> ponyrider ok c:
[15:03] <AppAraat> ponyrider: you want me to first uninstall python3-pip and then re-install it?
[15:04] <AppAraat> InnerUbuntu: this is what happens if I invoke pip or pip3: https://paste.debian.net/1098405/ - this happened after I installed deadsnake's python3.6 PPA
[15:04] <leonardus> How do I get GRUB to show a menu on boot? I want to be able to choose Ubuntu/Windows
[15:06] <ponyrider> AppAraat: why is pip not working ?? have you set some stupid environment variable or something?
[15:07] <AppAraat> I simply tried to install the deadnsake's PPA according to this answer: https://askubuntu.com/a/865569
[15:07] <AppAraat> *deadsnake's
[15:07] <InnerUbuntu> AppAraat I think there is something wrong with that PPA, can't you install it from the Ubuntu main repo?
[15:07] <ponyrider> but simply installing another python version shouldn't mess things up
[15:08] <MindSpark> hey, can someone tell me why apt may be ignoring a repo in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[15:08] <ponyrider> AppAraat: $ type pip3
[15:09] <AppAraat> InnerUbuntu: my version (16.04) does not have Python 3.6
[15:10] <InnerUbuntu> ohh
[15:10] <ponyrider> MindSpark: sudo apt-get update
[15:10] <InnerUbuntu> AppAraat compile python from source then
[15:10] <AppAraat> ponyrider: https://paste.debian.net/1098414/
[15:11] <ponyrider> AppAraat: sudo apt remove python-pip
[15:11] <ponyrider> sudo apt remove python-pip3
[15:12] <ponyrider> remove it ... something is def broken
[15:12] <InnerUbuntu> AppAraat here is the first guide I found to compile python from source https://solarianprogrammer.com/2017/06/30/building-python-ubuntu-wsl-debian/ It may take hours tho (I've never done it).
[15:12] <ponyrider> LOL
[15:12] <MindSpark> ponyrider, I did that a couple of times, but the repo doesn't show up in the list?
[15:13] <ponyrider> post the file?
[15:14] <MindSpark> deb [arch=amd64] http://archive.cloudera.com/cm6/6.3.0/ubuntu1804/apt bionic-cm6.3.0 contrib
[15:15] <MindSpark> nvm, it's the filename "Cloudera Manager 6.list" :/
[15:20] <AppAraat> ok, so I just did "easy_install3 pip" as root and that worked. Though that got me pip3 for python3.5 - afterwards I went to my previously setup pyenv and then did "./versions/3.6.0/bin/pip3 install --user --upgrade <app>" and that seemed to work out.
[15:22] <leonardus> I configured grub to show on boot, but it's not detecting my Windows installation on another partition. How can I get it to detect that?
[15:25] <chl_> what kind of tr069/acs is people running or can recommend?
[15:31] <InnerUbuntu> How can I add a command to startup like using the app "Startup Application", but from terminal?
[15:32] <InnerUbuntu> (that app doesn't have a cli interface :c)
[15:35] <ponyrider> InnerUbuntu: You should put a Desktop Entry file (with .desktop extension) inside of ~/.config/autostart < -- SO
[15:36] <pomeha> hello, what does that mean? Just installed ubuntu server 18.04 and did `apt update && apt upgrade`, the latter finished with `W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (1054 vs 1190).` should I be worried?
[15:36] <InnerUbuntu> ponyrider okk thanks <3
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | pomeha
[15:39] <pomeha> lotuspsychje: 0
[15:40] <pomeha> all 3 return 0 packages
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> pomeha: could you pastebin your full apt output please?
[15:40] <pomeha> lotuspsychje: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:40] <InnerUbuntu> ubottu also, if you really need security, you have to remove universe and multiverse repositories since they aren't managed by the security team
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> pomeha: i mean your original question, about dpkg
[15:41] <InnerUbuntu> oh hes a bot xD
[15:42] <frib> I tried to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 on digital ocean using do-release-upgrade but it didn't work and that command no longer exists (I have no idea what happened)
[15:42] <frib> is there another way I can upgrade to 18.04 or create another droplet with 18.04 and reliably migrate all my data?
[15:44] <leonardus> Anyone know how to get the Windows partition to show on Grub? I only see "Ubuntu", "advanced options for ubuntu", and "system configuration"
[15:45] <tieinv> sudo update-grub?
[15:45] <leonardus> ran that
[15:45] <leonardus> and os-prober
[15:46] <ponyrider> leonardus: did you install windows first?
[15:46] <pomeha> lotuspsychje: http://i.imgur.com/DJDLBTZ.png I have only this, it's in the VM, and first apt upgrade I ran there, the screen is not scrollable :(
[15:46] <leonardus> ponyrider: yes
[15:46] <ponyrider> you have to follow the documentation very carefully
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> pomeha: that was a clean install of server, or an lts upgrade?
[15:47] <pomeha> lotuspsychje: clean install
[15:47] <leonardus> ponyrider: what do you mean?
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> pomeha: ok, come join at #ubuntu-server please
[15:47] <pomeha> AFIAR the upgrade happened only happened 18.04 > 18.04.2
[15:47] <ponyrider> as in: if you dont type the correct partitions into the commands it wont work so you have to be sure
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> frib: you too mate, perhaps the #ubuntu-server guys might assist you better
[15:48] <frib> sudo apt dist-upgrade doesn't do an os upgrade -- is it supposed to?
[15:48] <leonardus> what commands?
[15:48] <frib> lotuspsychje, thanks, I didn't know that chan existed
[15:50] <leonardus> ponyrider: update-grub and os-prober?
[15:51] <ponyrider> leonardus: i actually dont run ubuntu, or use grub. but i do know that you can install GRUB on the windows EFI parition, and that might make things easier
[15:53] <ponyrider> basically, if you cannot see the boot entry in grub, you haven't installed it correctly or you havent set up the boot entires correctly. there is a bunch of info online. type in something like: grub ubuntu install windows first
[15:54] <leonardus> ponyrider: that's all showing results for how to get ubuntu back after installing windows
[15:55] <ponyrider> leonardus:ok like dual boot ubuntu windows grub
[15:56] <jelly> I'm getting horribly slow download of binary packages from ppa today, is it a known issue?  Trying to grab libreoffice from ppa:libreoffice/ppa for xenial amd64
[15:56] <leonardus> ponyrider: yeah, still not finding any fixes
[15:57] <leonardus> just people suggesting to run update-grub and os-prober
[15:57] <jelly> getting bw like 13% [19 libreoffice-style-tango 952 kB/1208 kB 79%]                                               61.6 kB/s 32min 12s
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> jelly: why do you use the ppa instead of the official repos?
[15:58] <ponyrider> leonardus: just go here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[15:59] <jelly> lotuspsychje, official repos from upstream, or from canonical?  The latter have buggy 5.1.6~rc2
[16:00] <jelly> lotuspsychje, and that's in universe, so basically unsupported
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> !info libreoffice xenial
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> jelly: issues with the ppa, please contact the ppa maintainer
[16:00] <jelly> lotuspsychje, who is the maintainer for the whole PPA infra?
[16:01] <jelly> lotuspsychje, what does ppa maintainer have to do with "slow download"?
[16:02] <jelly> (I'm assuming you meant maintainer of this particular ppa repo)
[16:03] <KOLANICH> Hello, please look at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56738708/c-stdbad-alloc-on-stdfilesystempath-append
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> jelly: we dont supprot external ppa's
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> *support
[16:04] <leonardus> ponyrider: I followed that guide and ran boot-repair and now it's just back to booting directly into Ubuntu with no GRUB screen
[16:04] <nisstyre> I'm getting a whole bunch of 404 errors with this ubuntu based Dockerfile, anyone have any clue what's going on? https://gist.github.com/weskerfoot/65403e0d2de729fb1e05ae9eb68bf6e9
[16:05] <leonardus> so I still don't think GRUB is detecting Windows.
[16:05] <nisstyre> it's pulling from ubuntu:latest
[16:05] <nisstyre> so I don't see how it could possibly be out of date
[16:05] <nisstyre> this is a minimal example, I removed all the other stuff from it
[16:06] <jelly> lotuspsychje, all ppas are external.  I'm asking "why is this download slow", and that's not each ppa's fault, that's an infrastructural issue.
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> jelly: if you ahd issues, with an official repo, i could forward you the the mirror channel, but its you that said, your slow download is from the ppa?
[16:07] <nisstyre> ah I fixed it with --no-cache, dammit docker
[16:07] <jelly> lotuspsychje, yes.  Do you know a contact for problems with ppa.launchpad.net?
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> jelly: there is a #launchpad channel, but i doubt thats gonna be helpful for a slow libreoffice download
[16:09] <jelly> lotuspsychje, surely it does not matter WHICH download is slow.  I could be downloading something else from some other ppa and it would likely be slow as well
[16:11] <ioria> jelly, using ipv6 ?
[16:11] <ph88> hey guys, i try to install Lubuntu 19.04 on my VM and the live CD doesn't boot. 18.04 works fine. But when i do-release-upgrade from 18.04 to 19.04 it also refuses to boot ... how can i get the latest Lubuntu working ??
[16:13] <jelly> ioria, no, ipv4
[16:14] <jelly> eg.
[16:14] <ioria> jelly, then try to temp disable ipv6 : sudo sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
[16:14] <jelly> 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/libr/libreoffice/libreoffice-java-common_6.2.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1~lo1_all.deb' libreoffice-java-common_1%3a6.2.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1~lo1_all.deb 1845258 MD5Sum:9f0e4676ccdde131e8d7250b6cfebf21
[16:14] <jelly> ioria, okay, I will, but how would that affect bw on already established connections
[16:15] <ioria> jelly, no effect
[16:15] <jelly> I mean once a download starts, it's ipv4
[16:15] <jelly> and then it's slow
[16:15] <jadax> hi, I have 2 WiFi adapters. Both of them are currently connected to the same WiFi network. Is there a way I can disconnect one of them from the menu?
[16:16] <jadax> if I do 'turn-off' on any wifis then whole WiFi goes off and both of them disconnect
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> jadax: normally systemsettings/wifi should have your 2 wifi chipsets showing ontop
[16:19] <ioria> jadax, do the two nics have different interface names ? if yes: ip link set dev <name> down
[16:23] <jadax> yes, system settings / wifi shows 2 interfaces
[16:23] <jadax> and there's on/off button on the right hand side from them
[16:23] <jadax> but if I turn it off - whole wifi (both interfaces) go down at the same time
[16:24] <jadax> ioria - they do have different names, but I'm afraid if I turn one off through cmd line, GUI will turn it on or something like that
[16:24] <ioria> jadax, have you tried ?
[16:24] <jadax> I don't like how on ubuntu there are many different places to configure one thing and often times they collide with each other
[16:25] <jadax> I'm trying to see first if I can do it through GUI
[16:25] <jadax> if not, I will follow your instructions
[16:28] <jadax> ioria I tried ip link set dev <interface> down
[16:28] <jadax> and it came back up
[16:28] <jadax> actually, I am not sure
[16:28] <jadax> it seems it's down but it still has IP address
[16:28] <jadax> and it sill shows in the GUI as connected
[16:29] <ioria> jadax, ip a
[16:30] <InnerUbuntu> how do I run a command each time a terminal closes?
[16:31] <jadax> ioria ip a says it's down
[16:31] <jadax> but it still has IP address
[16:31] <jadax> that normal?
[16:32] <k1773nk1ll3r> hi
[16:34] <ioria> jadax,  if  you want it back  'ip link set dev <name> up'; you can also have a look at /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ and run  nmcli con down connectionname
[16:35] <jelly> lotuspsychje, I got info in #launchpad that ppa.launchpad.net often has its network bandwidth maxed out, so this is a known issue
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> jelly: yeah i was following
[16:35] <jelly> waiting half an hour for packages is so 2000!
[16:35]  * jelly hides
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> jelly: still nothing ubuntu can help with
[16:37] <Cheez> hell we're not that far off a place where waiting half an hour for actual physical packages is the norm
[16:37] <Cheez> at least two national stores here offer 45 minute delivery now.
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> offtopic Cheez
[16:50] <cluelessperson> how do you turn on the screen keyboard from console?
[17:02] <ioria> cluelessperson, gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-keyboard-enabled true
[17:26] <donofrio> where do I go for xfce4.14 aarch64/rpi4b workstation desktop image of this goodness?
[17:34] <CarlFK> in 16.4, there was a menu on the status bar that had a "message" item, under that was something about Pidgin IM app.    Where is that now?  (because I close pidgin buddy window and I think that's what I need to open it again)
[17:34] <jwash> hi everyone this is the best configuration for my computer https://snipboard.io/UXwQH7.jpg. how do I write it in this type of notation: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="HDMI-0: 1920x1080 +0+0 {viewportin=1920x1080, viewportout=1770x990+70+40}"
[17:42] <ph88> where can i report bugs for Lubuntu ?
[17:48] <Chunkyz> ph88, start with: /join \
[17:48] <Chunkyz> > /join #lubuntu
[17:49] <Chunkyz> ph88, ^
[17:59] <vimar> Hi pals
[18:28] <leonardus> How do I check which mode my wireless interface is in? (a,g,b,n,ac)
[18:58] <tomreyn> is the fstrim timer on 18.04 working properly? I just ran "fstrim -v /" man ually and it reported "119 GiB [..] trimmed", on a file system i don't create /delete much on - this must have built up over months.
[18:59] <tomreyn> that's an ext4 FS on top of LVM on top of dmcrypt-luks
[19:02] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: ' journalctl -u fstrim ; systemctl list-timers |grep fstrim ' ?  My last " Sep 02 00:00:08 x1804mini systemd[1]: Started Discard unused blocks." so yeah workie :P
[19:04] <za1b1tsu> Hi, I made a mistake. I modified the grub file in /etc/default and now my OS won't boot. I'm using now a live usb with ubuntu to try to edit the file on my sdd, but the sdd does not appear in the file manager, what can I do?
[19:09] <Bashing-om> za1b1tsu: from the liveUSB - what shows ' sudo parted -l ' for partitions on the hard drive ?
[19:10] <za1b1tsu> Bashing-om, I did this, fdisk -l, mkdir ~/media1, sudo mount /dev/sda ~/media1 and edited the file with sudo vi
[19:10] <za1b1tsu> restarting, finger crossed
[19:11] <Bashing-om> za1b1tsu: :D and toes :)
[19:11] <za1b1tsu> does not boot :(
[19:11] <za1b1tsu> so maybe that was not it :(
[19:11] <za1b1tsu> what can I do to debug?
[19:12] <ioria> za1b1tsu,  1) you need  sudo update-grub after (hence the critical fs bind mounted ) , 2) you mount the partition not the device
[19:12] <za1b1tsu> so how could I run sudo update-grub now
[19:12] <za1b1tsu> system does not bood
[19:13] <ioria> you need the livecd (or recovery in rw mode)
[19:13] <za1b1tsu> booting pack the liveusb ubuntu
[19:13] <za1b1tsu> *back
[19:15] <za1b1tsu> so, I just run sudo update-grub in a terminal?
[19:15] <ioria> please read above
[19:16] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: what did you edit the file?
[19:17] <EriC^^> *in the
[19:24] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: you can press shift to get grub and then edit the stuff one time to boot, then run sudo update-grub
[19:25] <za1b1tsu> I am on the live usb
[19:25] <za1b1tsu> so sudo fdisk -l, shows /dev/sda1
[19:25] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: just sda1?
[19:25] <za1b1tsu> no
[19:25] <za1b1tsu> but /dev/sda1 has 400gb
[19:25] <za1b1tsu> so it's the ssd
[19:26] <EriC^^> ok, try 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt'
[19:26] <za1b1tsu> it mounted
[19:26] <za1b1tsu> now I run sudo update-grub, correct?
[19:26] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: ok, type "for i in /dev /proc /sys; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
[19:27] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: not yet, you need to mount --bind the virtual filesystems from the live usb and then chroot to the install
[19:28] <EriC^^> did you run the for command?
[19:29] <za1b1tsu> it says mount: /mnt/dev: mount(2) system call failed: No such file or directory
[19:29] <za1b1tsu> for proc and sys as well
[19:29] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: ok, that means something isnt right
[19:30] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: does the pc have an internet connection currently?
[19:30] <za1b1tsu> now it does
[19:30] <EriC^^> ok cool
[19:31] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: type "lsblk -f | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here
[19:31] <za1b1tsu> https://termbin.com/ee0g
[19:32] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: it looks like everything is mounted right
[19:33] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: does "ls -ld /mnt/dev" give you a directory back or no file found?
[19:33] <za1b1tsu> my bad, my friend there was a typo in the mount script
[19:33] <EriC^^> no worries
[19:34] <EriC^^> type "sudo chroot /mnt"
[19:34] <za1b1tsu> I am on root@ubuntu/#
[19:35] <EriC^^> ok, type "update-grub"
[19:35] <za1b1tsu> something are ok, but an error grub-probe: error: cannot finda GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1
[19:36] <EriC^^> that's ok
[19:36] <za1b1tsu> reboot?
[19:36] <EriC^^> yeah, type "exit" then reboot
[19:36] <za1b1tsu> heard about this chroot magic, never had a change to use it
[19:37] <EriC^^> pretty neat stuff
[19:37] <za1b1tsu> so you can run another distro, inside a distro
[19:37] <za1b1tsu> to some extent right?
[19:37] <EriC^^> yeah
[19:37] <za1b1tsu> and IT BOOTS
[19:37] <za1b1tsu> thank you Eric^^
[19:37] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: great, no problem
[19:38] <za1b1tsu> I changed GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nouveau.modeset=0"
[19:38] <za1b1tsu> because the monitor (hdmi) does not wake up after hibernation
[19:38] <za1b1tsu> found while googling
[19:38] <EriC^^> i see
[19:39] <EriC^^> seems to be common, the hibernation problems
[19:39] <za1b1tsu> yeah, linux has to hurt a little bit
[19:39] <EriC^^> i dunno if it helps for hdmi monitor stuff, but sometimes acpi_osi stuff in grub helps with suspend/hibernation stuff
[19:40] <za1b1tsu> modifying grub again... hmm :D
[19:40] <EriC^^> xD
[19:41] <EriC^^> it shouldn't really have bad effects like the modeset one though, if it ever does go sour you can always hold shift -> press "e" and edit the boot entry and press F10 for a one time boot
[19:41] <ioria> honestly that parameter should not stop the booting
[19:41] <EriC^^> you dont have to really modify grub too, you can try a one-time boot using acpi_osi using the same method
[19:44] <za1b1tsu> ahm what I did is modify GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[19:44] <za1b1tsu> instead of GRUB_CNMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[19:45] <EriC^^> i think it's the same, except one doesn't add to the recovery ones or something like that
[19:46] <EriC^^> yeah, the default one is for non-recovery kernels, plain one is for all
[19:49] <za1b1tsu> EriC^^, so on the grub menu, I presed e, and I just add after set_params acpi_osi=Linux?
[19:50] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: no, you need to add something to the linux line ,linux /boot/vmlinuz ....quiet splash
[19:50] <za1b1tsu> found the line
[19:51] <za1b1tsu> I add acpi_osi=Linux there?
[19:51] <EriC^^> nah, boot normally for a sec
[19:52] <za1b1tsu> ok
[19:52] <EriC^^> and run sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows
[19:53] <EriC^^> take the latest version you find there, and add after quiet splash acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2010\"    or whatever you find there as a version
[19:56] <za1b1tsu> hmm
[19:56] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: actually i dont think you need to escape the " there with \ if you're typing it straight into grub
[19:57] <za1b1tsu> I do sudo update-grub?
[19:57] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: ok
[19:57] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: you added it to /etc/default/grub?
[19:58] <za1b1tsu> no
[19:58] <za1b1tsu> I thought it worked with current params
[19:58] <za1b1tsu> I will edit then
[19:58] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: it does
[19:58] <EriC^^> nevermind
[19:58] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: did you run the sudo strings command?
[19:58] <za1b1tsu> yes, I added Windows 2009
[19:59] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: ok, try to reboot, hold shift, press "e"
[19:59] <za1b1tsu> but I do sudo update-grub correct?
[19:59] <EriC^^> then after quiet splash in the linux line, type      acpi_osi=! acpi_osi="Windows 2009"
[19:59] <EriC^^> then press F10 to boot
[19:59] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: no, no need
[19:59] <za1b1tsu> oh ok
[20:01] <za1b1tsu> done
[20:02] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: cool, try hibernation and see if it's working now
[20:02] <za1b1tsu> seems it does :D
[20:02] <menace> hi, i try to activate an endoscop camera, with pixart imaging inc. message for lsusb and with an gspca driver.. does anyone have experience with that? the endoscop creates a /dev/video1 but i always get only a black image and vlc seems not to get a connection to the device
[20:02] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: nice!
[20:02] <za1b1tsu> now, I sudo update-grub?
[20:02] <za1b1tsu> or I edit the file with \"
[20:03] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: yeah, edit the file then update-grub
[20:09] <za1b1tsu> all good
[20:09] <za1b1tsu> thank you for your time EriC^^, I owe you a 6 pack
[20:09] <za1b1tsu> how could I learn all this stuff?
[20:13] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: no worries
[20:14] <EriC^^> za1b1tsu: the more you use linux the more you'll pick up stuff, there's also courses and ebooks and stuff online if you're interested
[20:15] <EriC^^> edx has a course and tldp.org have some ebooks
[20:15] <ferz> Hi
[20:16] <EriC^^> hi
[20:17] <Jukas> I'm trying Ubuntu 18.04 on a vm I spun up as an alternative to the centos7 distros I normally run.  This is a fresh install, and I'm using ufw with iptables-persistent loaded from apt.  When I do a ufw-reload I'm getting ERROR: problem running ufw-initiptables-restore: line 2 failed
[20:18] <EriC^^> Jukas: do you know where it stores the config file? also #ubuntu-server might have more users who know more about the issue
[20:19] <ferz> I've trouble using packages from postgresql repository: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/585903
[20:19] <ferz> How can I fix?
[20:20] <Jukas> EriC^^ No idea.  is #ubuntu geared more towards desktop usage?
[20:20] <EriC^^> Jukas: well, not really, but the #ubuntu-server channel is plain server guys
[20:21] <EriC^^> Jukas: you could try "dpkg -L iptables-persistent" to maybe spot the config, or run the ufw reload with strace to see which file it's opening
[20:23] <EriC^^> ferz: type "uname -m"
[20:24] <EriC^^> ferz: what does that output?
[20:28] <EriC^^> Jukas: i guess it might be something to do with the package itself, not the config as i suggested
[20:29] <EriC^^> google shows alot of bug reports for ufw of various line X stuff errors
[20:31] <Jukas> EriC^^ I also did some google searching but couldn't find anything that matched my error.  I thought 18.04 was LTS, so it would be a bit surprising for the firewall frontend to not work right out of the box
[20:32] <EriC^^> Jukas: yeah, in some searches for some reason the kernel seems to have been an issue, maybe the latest has a problem?
[20:33] <EriC^^> Jukas: which kernel are you running?
[20:33] <Jukas> EriC^^ I'll have to check as soon as the vm is spun back up
[20:38] <Jukas> EriC^^ Linux 4.15.0-58-generic x86_64
[20:39] <EriC^^> !info linux-generic bionic
[20:39] <EriC^^> Jukas: try updating to 60? worth a try i guess
[20:40] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:41] <Jukas> EriC^^ interestingly enough, when a ufw reload fails, it kills all inbound *and* outbound connections.  So once it happens I have to roll back to a snapshot and spin the vm back up.  Is it typical for in Ubuntu for common systemctl services not to be registered?  I can't restart NeworkManager.service or iptables.service from systemctl
[20:46] <EriC^^> Jukas: mine is called network-manager.service
[20:46] <EriC^^> Jukas: i dont have any iptables service though
[20:46] <EriC^^> i wonder what service is responsible for it
[20:47] <tds> on debiany things I'd normally expect that to be netfilter-persistent.service (assuming you're not using a frontend like ufw)
[20:56] <acu> I am running Ubuntu 18.04 Desktop - I installed Enlightenment Desktop environment and logged in - However I cannot see where is the sound mixer... the sound is very low - also I do not know where is the wifi option to connect and bluetooth control ?
[20:57] <ferz> EriC^^: uname -m
[20:57] <ferz> x86_64
[20:58] <EriC^^> ferz: ok, that error is just it saying it is ignoring the repos 32bit stuff since the repo doesnt support it
[20:58] <EriC^^> you should still have the 64bit stuff though, so you can ignore the warning
[20:59] <ferz> EriC^^: thank you
[21:04] <EriC^^> ferz: no problem
[21:11] <Jukas> EriC^^ looks ike it may have been a kernel bug. it's been a while since I used Debian, but I thought apt update && apt-upgrade would have gotten the latest kernel within my release channel?
[21:23]  * BeepBeepJeep (FOG HORN)
[21:49] <courrier> Say my server runs a DNS of example.org and hosts website www1.example.org ... what should be the /etc/hostname of this server? www1? www1.example.org? Or any other fqdn that is not related to www1?
[22:18] <NegativeFlare> courrier: it really doesn't matter, the only time that really matters is when its a mail server imo
[22:18] <NegativeFlare> Heck, my main server is called Onyx lol
[22:41] <courrier> OK thank you NegativeFlare
[22:41] <NegativeFlare> courrier: No problem man, anytime
[22:49] <ayew> on the topic of names, i get my hostnames from Brassicaceae root vegetables - so far i have daikon, raish and turnip. what the hell else am i supposed to use :p
[22:52] <ChiLLabiS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1838133 Got this same problem on 18.04.3 LTS. Shall i just wait or?
[22:55] <ChiLLabiS> 18.04.3 LTS isn't in the list there tho
[22:55] <ChiLLabiS> But in a few comments it's mentioned
[23:07] <ChiLLabiS> Guess it's wrong time asking here.. It IS 01:07 here where i live