[00:04] <kc2bez> Same result in 19.10
[00:09] <wxl> there's a bunch of removable media options in pcmanfm-qt preferences under volume, but nothing about which app to use
[00:09] <wxl> maybe stracing pcmanfm-qt and inserting might give some clues
[00:10] <kc2bez> Yeah, none of those options are helpful.
[00:10] <kc2bez> I can try a strace
[00:18] <wxl> `-e trace=open,read,write`, but you probably know that
[00:22] <kc2bez> Hmm, that wasn't terribly helpful either.
[00:22] <wxl> didn't open mimeapps eh?
[00:24] <kc2bez> pcmanfm launches before you can insert the media.
[00:24] <wxl> huh?
[00:26] <kc2bez> so a strace for pcmanfm just lanches pcmanfm and returns a prompt
[00:26] <wxl> huh
[00:26] <wxl> uhhh
[00:26] <kc2bez> pcmanfm-qt in the terminal does the same
[00:27] <kc2bez> I didn't add any arguments at the end
[00:27] <wxl>    -d, --daemon-mode
[00:27] <wxl>               Run PCManFM as a daemon
[00:27] <wxl> :)
[00:27] <kc2bez> oh
[00:27] <kc2bez> didn't think of that
[00:28] <wxl> XD
[00:30] <kc2bez> Oh, that is the same.
[00:31] <wxl> harumph
[00:31] <kc2bez> weird
[00:33] <wxl> do `strace -fp $(pidof pcmanfm-qt) -e trace=open,read,write`
[00:34] <wxl> if that gets grumpy, just look up the pid
[00:35] <wxl> `pidof -s`
[00:36] <wxl> that's limit it to one
[00:36] <kc2bez> pid  1409] read(25, "deo/x-ms-asx;video/x-ms-wm;video"..., 4096)
[00:36] <kc2bez> ^ when I nserted the DVD
[00:36] <wxl> yay clues
[00:37] <wxl> and we have that set in mimeapps?
[00:37] <kc2bez> I have to look.
[00:38] <wxl> what was the open before that, btw?
 Someone noticed that in pcmanfm-qt some icon colors change from 19.04 to 19.10? At least in my installation that are not fresh 19.10
 I'm thinking of window icon blue to gray, i icon (icon size) gray to blue
 Papirus icon theme
[00:43] <kc2bez> The answer is yes, we have those set as mimeapps in 19.04
[00:44] <wxl> ok so that's why it works
[00:44] <wxl> so how to make it automatic.. that's a whole different story
[00:44] <wxl> but that's the basic thing i wanted to make sure we did have :)
[00:44] <kc2bez> Indeed
[00:45] <wxl> @guiverc: can you confirm what @HMollerCl is saying about about icon colors? i don't have a 19.10 laying about right now
[00:45]  * guiverc reading
[00:48] <guiverc> can someone please explain what I'm to compare/look for, I'm unsure  19.10?  want me to compare to 19.04? or looking for blue change? sorry somewhat confused
[00:48] <wxl> the color of pcmanfm-qt icons
[00:52] <guiverc> 19.10 daily live, lubuntu,d esktop, network are blue, trash-grey, computer-blank, my drives/devices blue, , right side mostly blue but depends on mime-types, not sure what I'm too look for though
 isn't this because icon theme changed
[00:53] <guiverc> ePapirus is Icon theme on my booted live
 I mean new version
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/2qSPdSE.jpg
 That's 19.04, looks good
 I'm on borrow pc
[00:59] <hmollercl> could enter irc
[00:59] <hmollercl> so, how can I upload a picture from here so guiverc can see it?
[01:00] <guiverc> okay I was looking at places/device/file-folder icons; sorry
 https://t.me/ldevel2019/76275 I could just copy the link here... assuming it's the same one you just pasted hmoller :P
[01:01] <guiverc> difference appears to me (i) is in blue, otherwise same
 IRC has no image embedding though :P
[01:01] <kc2bez> hmollercl: you could use share.riseup.net
[01:02] <guiverc> (or I load telegram.. loading)
[01:06] <guiverc> ^ (i) i meant thumbnail view; the blue stands out and doesn't look like it has anything to do with icons either side of it in my opinion..
 Yes, that is one thing
 The other I the window icon uper left
[01:09]  * guiverc is very slow at times... but has gone to take the dog for a walk...
[01:20] <newtolubuntu> hi, I am going to install lubuntu, can anyone tell me the version of of package "hplip" that is currently used by 19.10 (Eoan Ermine)? Thx.
[01:22] <kc2bez> !info hplip eoan | newtolubuntu 
[01:23] <newtolubuntu> thx, that is great, my hp printer needs 3.19.6
[01:23] <newtolubuntu> !info hplip disco
[01:24] <newtolubuntu> ok, I am going for the lubuntu eoan, thanks again!
[01:35] <kc2bez> Does anyone know how VM's on a synology work? bug 1842346
[01:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: re: globalkeys. Did you see my message? 
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Does anyone know how VM's on a synology work? bug 1842346], First time I "hear" synology. Read fast and understood synagogue
[03:08] <wxl> @The_loudSpeaker remind me?
 Fwd from The_LoudSpeaker: <The_LoudSpeaker> re:globalkeys, I made the changes, after getting source using uscan.  Also, commited them but then while building the program, it fails.
 Fwd from The_LoudSpeaker: <The_LoudSpeaker> CMake Error: The source directory "/home/raman/phab/globalkeys-pck/lxqt-globalkeys" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt
[03:14] <wxl> ideally i need the full context
 I am heading to classes rn. Will ping in sometime.
[04:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL93f1b22e241c: Add bullet point lists to nobleNote] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL93f1b22e241c
[17:16] <wxl> \
[17:17] <kc2bez> ?
[17:17] <wxl> |
 -
[17:17] <kc2bez> feels like we are writing a Perl script :P
[17:18] <wxl> XD
[17:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> /
[17:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, re: globalkeys, wxl: what I did was, make the changes you requested. by downloading source ofcourse, but while building it, it's giving me errors
[17:21] <wxl> need all the info, logs, etc
 wait a sec.
[17:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/P41
[17:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ wxl: 
[18:17] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker what's with all those deletitions?
[18:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> I don't know. digging in rn. I haven't made any deletions. 
[18:20] <wxl> well that's super duper strange
[18:20] <wxl> it appears you're just trying to build the packaging that's already there??
[18:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> possible.
[18:21] <wxl> well i see:
[18:21] <wxl>  1. you clone phab
[18:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> no. not possible.
[18:21] <wxl>  2. you download the source
[18:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> I don't have it installed.
[18:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> 3. ?
[18:22] <wxl>  3. ok you do etdit the install file and changelog
[18:22] <wxl>  4. and then build it
[18:22] <wxl> let me try to replicate but brb
 you are trying to build binaries?
 I guess yes.
 trying to build lxqt-globalkeys
 also, wxl. I guess I got it. the deletions. And also build successfully
[18:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> before 4. you run tar -x --strip-components -f ../P_V.orig.tar.xz 
[18:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> where P and V are name and version resp.
 the deletions are because your debian folder is not in an unpacked source tree
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> before 4. you run tar -x --strip-components -f ../P_V.orig.tar …], yeah and this step unpacks it. right?
[18:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2, what about grub?
 question. What's the difference between the laucnher and the in menu search?
 because, for lightweight purpose, we could stop that too.
[18:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl which launcher you are talking about?
 the one that should open with meta+r XD
 I mean, instead of meta+r and start typing, one can do meta and start typing
 which is more direct with win10.
 runner does much more than the search in the menu.
[18:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> meta+r opens runner. One advantage over search from menu is that you can also run commands. eg you can run teleirc as a command
[18:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> you can't find teleirc in search from menu
 it does contextual search too.
[18:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> you mean indexing?
 e.g. search for "software" in the menu then do it in runner.
[18:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> understood.
 ok, but I'm not sure it's conext, maybe he uses he comment line from the .desktop
[18:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> in menu it showed only software sources, in runner it shows additional drivers, software sources, discover and synaptic also. 
 not only the "name"
 I get the differences, see the value, but for low resources it is an option.
[18:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> you suggest removal of runner?
 No, only to disable for lower resources (512Mb RAM).
[19:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> can we do that?
 lxqt-runner uses 16Mb according to qps
[19:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, I would like to volunteer for https://phab.lubuntu.me/T24 ?
[19:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Captive Portal Support: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T24
 there is a .desktop in autostart. Would need to modify it. The same way we didt in with nm-applet.
[19:02] <The_LoudSpeaker> noice. we could try that then.
[19:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe3f731b58929: Add clear formatting button to nobleNote] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe3f731b58929
[19:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T4: Make it lighter] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T4#2276
 @HMollerCl where can I find source for nm-tray ?
 runner is great
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@HMollerCl where can I find source for nm-tray ?], nvm. got it.https://github.com/palinek/nm-tray
 yes, that
 @lynorian [runner is great], yes it is. It's only that menu can done the most used functionality and in low ram environment it takes some of it.
[19:08] <wxl> word of warning, @The_LoudSpeaker: you're kind of on your own with all that new code stuff
 @wxl [<wxl> word of warning, @The_LoudSpeaker: you're kind of on your own with all tha …], Noted. you suggest I do some more packaging before trying that?
[19:09] <wxl> not necessarily, no
 also, scroll up.
[19:10] <wxl> but it will mean you're hacking on upstream code and that will mean working with them and their requirements
[19:10] <wxl> and yes i saw you missed a step. not sure why i didn't catch that
[19:11] <The_LoudSpeaker> oh. noted. I would like to work with upstream. It would be fun I guess? 
[19:11] <wxl> indeed
[19:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALadd82a04c601: Remove accidental doubling on Aa button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALadd82a04c601
[19:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> about not doing the tar earlier, few days ago I had done the tar step just after 2nd step but then while building it gave me a different error. https://phab.lubuntu.me/P39 to be precise.
[19:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> difference in order made the difference ?
[19:14] <wxl> dpkg-source: info: local changes detected, the modified files are:
[19:15] <wxl> didn't use quilt maybe?
 @wxl [<wxl> dpkg-source: info: local changes detected, the modified files are:], I had tried commiting and doing it also. shame story repeated.
 @wxl [<wxl> didn't use quilt maybe?], why quilt? we are not patching na?
 I had tried with quilt also, again shame story!
[19:16] <wxl> heh
[19:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2e5863bfba2e: Add underline button to noblenote] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2e5863bfba2e
[19:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, how do I push these changes now? 
[19:17] <wxl> arc diff
[19:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> ack. I thought git commit and then git push? 
[19:18] <wxl> iff you have push capability and you're 100% confident all is well
[19:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> okay. I am running arc diff and it is including manny files.
[19:21] <wxl> then you didn't clean stuff up
[19:21] <wxl> you're missing several basic steps of the packaging tutorial......
[19:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> you mean this? rm -rf !(debian) .pc/
[19:23] <wxl> yep
[19:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, wait. I did debuild -d, should have done -b. have to do it again now. *facepalms*
[19:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfe3d5a7ad77d: Add how to launch spell check] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfe3d5a7ad77d
[19:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7fef5e37f1a9: Add unkown word and Add to Dictionary] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7fef5e37f1a9
[19:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> where do I find palinek on irc?
[19:51] <wxl> afaik you don't
[19:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> wait found him #lxqt
[19:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> oftc
[19:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> what do you mean you don't? 
[19:53] <wxl> i didn't know he was about
[19:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL769e51ca7d39: Add Featherpad Replace with and suggestions] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL769e51ca7d39
[19:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb632a261211d: Add switch suggestion] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb632a261211d
[20:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL47f45b53aa1a: Add Correct Once button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL47f45b53aa1a
[20:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL569db294251b: Add correct All button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL569db294251b
[20:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9bdf1985b29c: Add Ignore Once button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9bdf1985b29c
[20:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1bc50ac4da66: Add Ignore all button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1bc50ac4da66
[20:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2a04b3583797: Add spellcheck screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2a04b3583797
 @HMollerCl [ok, but I'm not sure it's conext, maybe he uses he comment line from the .deskto …], I see your point. I guess my point was that runner searches more than just the name which can be handy.
[22:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl:
[22:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> you there?
[22:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> I was about to arc diff when I noticed the changes we made aren't there in the build. https://phab.lubuntu.me/P42 is the build log, shouldn't the line 600 here be different?
[22:43] <wxl> when you build the binary it should create a directory that includes the build files.. check and see!
[22:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL93c9270f3e13: Update Featherpad version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL93c9270f3e13
 I am getting this:
 `raman@JARVIS:~/phab/globalkeys-pck/lxqt-globalkeys$ rm -rf !(debian) .pc/ … bash: !: event not found`
[22:53]  * wxl points at packaging tutorial
[22:53] <wxl> rm -rf !(debian) .pc/ # requires bash and `shopt -s extglob`
 yeah I saw that just now. reading what that measn
 *mens
 *means
[22:54] <wxl> you have bash
[22:54] <wxl> just run
 aahhh! new keyborad problems
 I think it's because I am in a chroot env
 do you have a space between the bang and (
 I can't tell
[22:55]  * wxl cleans kc2bez's glasses
 no I don't
[22:57] <kc2bez> thanks wxl now I can see it :P
[22:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3aa339436617: Update discover version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3aa339436617
 @wxl [<wxl> when you build the binary it should create a directory that includes the b …], Explain this again please.
[23:04] <wxl> do your build again and then give me the output of `tree` (you might have to install it)
[23:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8610c09e7fe0: Update discover_screen.png] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8610c09e7fe0
 how do give te output of tree ?
[23:08] <wxl> pastebin of some kind
 I installed it. It did make the changes tho.
 the file is under /etc and not in /usr/
 @wxl [<wxl> pastebin of some kind], cat tree | arc paste works?
[23:09] <wxl> so there ya go
[23:10] <wxl> tree | arc paste
 bash tree comand not found
[23:10] <wxl> do your build again and then give me the output of `tree` (you might have to install it) <<<<<<<<<<
 @wxl [<wxl> so there ya go], yup! but I gotta do it again now. I guess I missed the dch.
 @wxl [<wxl> do your build again and then give me the output of `tree` (you might have …], how do I install after building? make install or just sudo dpkg the created debian file?
[23:21] <wxl> dpkg
[23:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> ack.
[23:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, https://phab.lubuntu.me/D38
[23:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Changed the position of config file provided by upstream.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D38
 oops! time is wrong in the dch. I will change it.
 there you go.
 wxl: check T30 once.
[23:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> which is the file I should look for in rDEFAULTSETTINGS ? for Xscreensavers?
[23:40] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker lean on @aptghetto and see what he thinks on T30
 @aptghetto hii!
[23:41] <wxl> um @The_LoudSpeaker https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21#1053
[23:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Our xscreensaver theme is too old: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21#1053
[23:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> ouch!
[23:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> forgot about that
[23:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> about that, the file is at /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xscreensaver in my vm but there's no X11 folder in rDEFAULTSETTINGS 
[23:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T108: Drop or change pkexec patch in Calamares] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T108#2278