 Ok
[00:13] <wxl> @SamuelBanya the other stuff we have either requires fresh new code or packaging, so unless you want to try to work through packaging again, i think that's your best bet
[00:13] <wxl> @SamuelBanya ACTUALLY in addition to support, you could help with testing and bug triage.. we especially need help with the latter
 Yeah assign some testing tickets to me and I can run it in a vm. I'm on my Windows work thinkpad laptop (yuck) until like about a week from next Wed since my Lubuntu laptop is in my other apt.
 Via my email if I have my phab account setup still correctly
[03:54] <guiverc> 19.10 daily: i got thru all menu items; only gpg & vlc had issues; gpg is old; vlc was know - no potential for more clues (fyi: RikMills)
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 @The_LoudSpeaker I could upgrade lxqt-globalkeys but problem persist. The only diference is that restarting launcher does NOT solve it for Meta+R Restarting panel does solve it for Meta.
 restarting panel also worked before.
 I changed the shortcut in launcher for Alt+F2 and it also does not work
 now runner works after restart, dind't know why it doesn't before
[15:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T117: correct thumbnail icon in pcmanfm-qt] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T117#2289
[16:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> ugghh!! globalkeys just kill me already!! @HMollerCl can you log all the details to the task? 
 ok
 but tl,dr has thw same behaivour as 2 days ago
 on an updated os, not fresh install.
[16:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will check on a fresh now. waiting for zsync to finish.
 wxl: quilt import does not put te patch in debian/patches it puts me in patches
[16:51] <TJ-> HMollerCl: use "QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt ... "
[16:52] <TJ-> See "man quilt" and the CONFIGURATION FILE section 
 thanks TJ!
[17:35] <wxl> please tell me the fresh install works at least
[17:38] <wxl> @HMollerCl https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-guide/
[17:39] <wxl>  /topic if it doesn't work, the answer is probably on the packaging wiki
[17:39] <wxl> oops XD
 yes I found it
 at least what the .quiltrc should hae
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[19:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl, bad news.
[19:28] <wxl> oh no
[19:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> issue still exists
[19:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> atleast in live
[19:28] <wxl> wth
[19:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> just finished the installation and rebooting now.
[19:29] <wxl> it's only with the apps that have their own hotkeys?
[19:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl's hack of restarting panel and runner work.
[19:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup!
[19:29] <wxl> well THAT'S good
[19:30] <wxl> and if that's consistent with upgrade, that's not terrible
[19:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> we will have to modify /etc/xdg/xdg_lubuntu/lxqt/panel.conf
[19:30] <wxl> don't get me wrong, it's really bad, but it's not THAT hard
[19:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> and simillar file for runner I guess.
[19:30] <wxl> can we make the app-based hotkey null?
[19:30] <wxl> or change order of components?
[19:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> I am not sure. give me a sec
 wxl: TL;DR globalkeys is screwing with The_LoudSpeaker more than they want to admit ;)
[19:31] <wxl> it's really making me mad
[19:31] <The_LoudSpeaker> me too
[19:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> we can't set it to null. atleast not from runner's config gui
[19:33] <wxl> try in the conf file
[19:33] <wxl> and try both null and empty
[19:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> doing just that
[19:33] <wxl> i.e.
[19:33] <wxl> variable=
[19:33] <wxl> versus
[19:33] <wxl> variable=""
[19:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> there 's no runner.conf
[19:33] <wxl> check the cpp manual. there's got to be a conf file somewhere
[19:33] <wxl> there HAS TO be
[19:34] <wxl> one thing you can do:
[19:34] <wxl>  1. cd
[19:34] <wxl>  2. touch blah
[19:34] <wxl>  3. open the gui and change the value to something else
[19:34] <wxl>  4. find . -type f -newer blah
[19:34] <wxl> SOMETHING should come up
[19:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> dude. panel config is really messed up. remember that desktopswitch2 issue on my vm?
[19:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> I know why it was there.
[19:36] <wxl> oh?
[19:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> the setting in globalkeys for meta+# wasn't working as expected. coz desktopswitch refers to taskmanager applet on our default panel. while I had removed that panel and created a new one at top. Our globalkeys shortcut for switching to # task is /panel/desktopswitch/desktop_1 which means if one removes that applet and tries the shortcut, it won't work coz it works only for default settings of default panel.
[19:40] <wxl> oh crazy
[19:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> we should find a way to make that work for all panels even if a user removes the default panel.
[19:42] <wxl> harumph
[19:42] <wxl> we should make a task to further investigate that
[19:43] <wxl> we need to know if it happens in debian and manjaro, too. if so, upstream issue
 is there a way to install it during Debian install?
[19:43] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, I had tested this a couple of days ago in my main system, if you remove the default application menu button and create a new one, new one is identified by /panel/mainmenu2 while our config has set super key to /panel/mainmenu/show_hide so it won't work.
 Currently setting upa  testing VM for other needs/reasons so if it needs testing and y'all can give me test cases once I bump it to Unstable we can test there
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> also, I had tested this a couple of days ago in my main system …], @teward001 try to reproduce this there.
[19:44] <wxl> it's one of the many DE options on the installer
[19:44] <wxl> also: UGH MAGIC NUMBERS
 MAGIC NUMBERS?
 @The_LoudSpeaker send me a complete test case, PM on IRC works, from install -> replication of issue.
[19:45] <wxl> ^ make a task
 so that once it's installed i know exactly what to test
 also task it
 also
 @teward001 [@The_LoudSpeaker send me a complete test case, PM on IRC works, from install -> …], ack.
 WHERE'S MY BLOODY COFFEE
[19:45] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29
 @wxl [<wxl> ^ make a task], ack.
 *shakes wxl repeatedly*
[19:45]  * wxl bleeds into a cup and hands it to @teward001
 lol
 @teward001 [WHERE'S MY BLOODY COFFEE], +1. I had dinner sometime ago but coffee is always welcome! XD @tsimonq2 get up and set us coffee.
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming …], ack.
 Simon's innundated with school right now lol
 kids.
 XD
[19:46] <wxl> i need mate
 *slaps Simon upside the head with a rotting fish carcass*
[19:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: you mean mate desktop?
[19:47] <wxl> no
[19:47]  * genii uses wxl's blood in the percolator to brew his next pot of Death Wish
[19:47] <wxl> mah-tay
[19:48] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_mate
 *uses mini.iso to boot and install Sid*
 installing Unstable Desktop + LXQt
 slow VM is slow (1400 files)
[19:55] <wxl> debian is SO SLOW to insta
[19:55] <wxl> l
[19:55] <wxl> l
[19:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> /
[19:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> /
 meh it is yes, but so's the mini.iso
 because it has NOTHING ON IT lol
 it's almost done retrieving files for the utils, desktop env, etc.
 but i'm using the Sid mini.iso so it should just drop me into Debain
 3-5 minutes for package retrieval at the speed of the workplace's network
 then it should just rush-install xD
[19:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, we gotta update our globalkeysconf one again coz it has a typo, firefox won't open on clicking. comma put by me is the culprit.
[19:58] <wxl> that's small potatoes
 cloning default settings rn
 unpacking and full install in progress, WHEEEEEEEE! (lots of crap to install including openjdk apparently)
 eww it consumed the disk
 @teward001 [unpacking and full install in progress, WHEEEEEEEE! (lots of crap to install inc …], use lanXchange on your main system, needs openjdk. quite handy to share files between multiple devices pc, phone and even mac I guess.
 the next version number for default settings should be bumped only right? like 19.10.6? or 5.ubuntu1 for the comma change?
 *comma fix
[20:13] <wxl> native packages are releaseversion.packageversion
 ack.
[20:13] <wxl> so not PACKAGEVERSION-DEBIANVERSIONubuntuUBUNTUVERSION
 but this was very small of a change so I thought 19.10.5.1 ?
[20:14] <wxl> no. a change is a change
 @wxl [<wxl> no. a change is a change], sounds like the motto of some secret cult
[20:15] <wxl> yes
 alrighty, my Debian Unstable is installed
 well kinda
 it's testing xD
 let me fix that
 head over to #styleonly and test ploxx.
 upgrading Buster -> Sid currently, standby.
 @teward001 [upgrading Buster -> Sid currently, standby.], Buster is a partial suite tho
 @tsimonq2 [Buster is a partial suite tho], true but whenever someone says 'test debian' they usually mean 'latest in unstable' ;)
 since buckeye is the next one in testing currently
 at least iirc
 bullseye*
 *was close*
 oh good it's finished downloading its crap, now for it to install and upgradify
 so
 the issue that @The_LoudSpeaker identified?
 replicated the same exact issue in Debian Sid
 soooooooooooooooooooooooo
 sounds like an upstream problem at this point
 ... but Debian ships Alt+F1 for the APplications Menu icon by default, not Super, for its key shortcut
 let me run an Eoan daily
[20:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> for packages like lubuntu-default-settings, I don't have to build right?
[20:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> I am actually confused, i did a git add -A after cleaning rm -rf !(debian) .pc/ and now in git status I have him deleting many files.
 @The_LoudSpeaker does the panel issue get replicated in Live, or do I have to do an on-disk install to test it?
[20:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> ohh wait, I shouldn't have cleaned it?
[20:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> @teward, you can replicate it in live.
 mainmenu2 gets added to the end, then i moved it to the top...
 but when it was added, Super stops working because it was added with the *Default* keyboard shortcut of Alt+F1
 like in Debian
 so the issue is more or less when it's added the keyboard shortcut isn't set right
[20:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> that's why we are restarting panel here.
 panel restarted, it still shows mainmenu2... with the Alt+F1 shortcut.
 hence why Super doesn't work
 @wxl [<wxl> or change order of components?], That's what my instinct says
[20:57] <wxl> @HMollerCl is that something we can tweak in session settings?
[20:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> we need not worry about alt+F1. it's default by upstream. instead we should modify settings for super key such that everytime it's pressed, it opens the menu irrespective of the mainmenu1/2/3 
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> I am actually confused, i did a git add -A after cleaning rm - …], wxl:
[21:00]  * wxl reminds i'm not on telegram
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> we need not worry about alt+F1. it's default by upstream. inst …], does this make sense?
 I am actually confused, i did a git add -A after cleaning rm -rf !(debian) .pc/ and now in git status I have him deleting many files. for default settings packaging.
[21:01] <wxl> it does make sense because realistically there should only be one set of the virtual desktops
[21:01] <wxl> give me the whole thing..
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl is that something we can tweak in session settings?], don't know
 whole thing of?
[21:02] <wxl> everything you did/all the output/etc
[21:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> here's what i did, cloned default-settings,
[21:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> modified the conf file
[21:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> dch -i
[21:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> debuild -b --no-sign
[21:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> rm -rf !(debian) .pc/
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> git add -A
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> git status
[21:04] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-exceptions/
[21:05] <wxl> Check out rDEFAULTSETTINGS and you'll find that in addition to the normal debian folder, there's also other files. Most notably there is a src folder which contains the code
[21:05] <wxl> tl;dr you deleted src
 @teward001 [hence why Super doesn't work], It's very strange when you have 2 panels. But, the problem is not Super, bceause if you use super+e for pcmanfm it works ok
[21:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> ohh! forgot that exception.
[21:05] <wxl>  /topic DUDE I"M TELLING YOU IT"S IN THE PACKAGING DOCUMENATION
[21:05] <wxl> oops
[21:05] <wxl> XD
 wxl: how when is lauinched lxqt? does sddm laucnh it?
[21:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> coz super-e is set as pcmanfm-qt but only super is set /panel/mainmenu/show_hide 
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> coz super-e is set as pcmanfm-qt but only super is set /panel/ …], right
[21:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> only pressing super, goes through panel and super-e doesn't
[21:06] <wxl> i'm not SURE @HMollerCl but i suspect lxqt-session is doing the work
[21:06]  * wxl hands @HMollerCl the cpp manual
[21:07]  * The_LoudSpeaker gotta see this cpp manual once. waaay too many times refrenced till now.
[21:07] <wxl> hahahahah
[21:08] <wxl> are you saying that seriously? because it's a joke
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> coz super-e is set as pcmanfm-qt but only super is set /panel/ …], and if you use other shortcut for w/o super on menu and runner, it won't work either
[21:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> yeah.
[21:08] <wxl> cpp manual means "read the code"
[21:09] <wxl> cpp = c++ = the primary language of lxqt (and most other things for that matter)
 here it is http://www.cplusplus.com/
[21:09] <teward> wxl: at least it aint C
 here is the tip and tricks https://en.cppreference.com/w/
 When there is no manual, read the code.....
[21:10] <wxl> ^^
[21:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> coz you are setting shortcuts in lxqt using apps and their changeable modules like mainmenu, desktopswitch, etc. which imo is a very incomplete sort of way to do it. look at gnome da! even if you remove panel or dock, is super key is set to show you task view, it does not fail to do so.
[21:11] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, remember each module like mainmenu has it's own shortcut set which overrides anything you do. 
[21:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> so if you change a panel, you gotta change all the shortcuts also associated with it and its modules
[21:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> that too sometimes using conf files. 
[21:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> Sh*t! it seems like I am sick of lxqt!
[21:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> I am not. I am just showing it's flaws.
[21:14] <wxl> remember you're comparing something very old and mature with many eyes on it with something that's not
[21:14] <wxl> they'll get there
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> yeah. we will improve this. and make it on par with the ancient ones!
[21:16] <The_LoudSpeaker>   /topic war on the ancient one!
[21:16] <wxl> to be fair when we do identify an upstream solution they usually jump all over it
[21:16] <wxl> and i know there's currently a lot of activity on trying to work out bugs in lxqt-globalkeys
[21:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> yeah I will wait for next release from them and raise this issue there. don't want to disturb their current workflow. next release is just around corner na?
[21:21] <wxl> oh no you SHOULD raise the issue now
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> and honestly I compared with gnome coz it's one of the best and most popular de's which is also very dope in terms of functionality and i think lxqt should be even in terms of functionality while maintaining it's low resource mark.
[21:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> you sure about raising it now?
[21:22] <wxl> yes
[21:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> on it.
[21:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> gonna patch this ctrl_alt-b first
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[22:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> what is the qt version we are shipping? how do I find it?
[22:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> lite. got it
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 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> you sure about raising it now?], Comment that @teward001 saw the problem in plain debian (or manjaro?) also
[22:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> sure.
[22:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/139
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[22:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D40
[22:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Fixed Ctrl+Alt+B: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D40
[22:42] <wxl> wrong version
[22:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> oops!
[22:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> 2 secs
[22:44] <The_LoudSpeaker> now check.
[22:45] <wxl> the no newline at end of file is weird
[22:45] <The_LoudSpeaker> I have to add a newline imo
[22:45] <The_LoudSpeaker> but whyy?
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[22:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> now? 
[22:48] <wxl> no
[22:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> what should be done?
[22:48] <wxl> well let me see
[22:49] <wxl> nothing
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[22:49] <wxl> last time this happened i had to hack it
[22:49] <The_LoudSpeaker> pro!
[22:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> it didn't give any errors while building tho.
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[22:51] <wxl> k that's done
[22:51] <wxl> next
 you tell.
 coping the xscreenaver config rn.
[22:52] <wxl> yeah that would be good unless there's anything else to do with shortcuts
[22:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> order seems to be a temporary fix
[22:53] <wxl> i'd really like to fix that... sigh
[22:53] <wxl> someone's going to have to dig through cpp manual
[22:53] <wxl> i don't have time now but i can probably later
[22:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> coz other than that, we could hand modify config files of runner and /panel/mainmenu if I find them
[22:54] <wxl> did you try my find trick?
[22:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> not yet
[22:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> tell me what to do again?
[22:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> booting vm rn.
[22:54] <wxl> go read irclogs.ubuntu.com? XD
[22:55] <wxl> basically create a file in home, make a change to the config in the gui and then `find ~ -type f -newer /path/to/file`
[22:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will do you a better one, come join #styleonly, give instructions, leave. I will follow up.
[22:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> it's bridged to my telegram notes group.
[22:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> well.. you can wait till we discuss and sort it out. :) No one is going to tell you to leave.
[22:57] <wxl> naw that's no fun :)
[23:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> umm how do I share a folder over network in pcmanfm-qt ?
[23:09] <wxl> well afaik pcmanfm-qt doesn't inheriently have capacity to share a folder
[23:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> need it to share files between vm, test machine and work system.
[23:09] <wxl> you can easily reach file shares with it though
[23:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> I installed nautilius and inside it also I cannot find option to share 
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[23:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> it is there in ubuntu
[23:10] <wxl> tbh that's a rather unexpected feature
[23:10] <wxl> it implies samba sharing
 ubuntu provides it tho. anyways any other app i can use?
 set up a shared folder between the VM and host?
[23:14] <wxl> ,,using the vm feature to do as such
[23:14] <wxl> or set up a whole samba server
[23:14] <wxl> or put it online somewhere
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[23:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will see both of them tomorrow. Sleepy now.
[23:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> Bye!
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