[12:08] <Bischoop> Hi
[12:10] <gnrp> hi
[15:21] <xubuntu36w> Question: if I install the 19.10 daily builds now, with it automatically progress/update to the Beta and finally the final release version? Or will I need to reinstall once the official release is out?
[15:22] <xubuntu36w> with it => WILL it...
[15:50] <Spass> xubuntu36w, no need to reinstall, it will use the same repos, so the same package versions
[15:50] <Spass> so the progress will be automatic
[16:02] <xubuntu36w> Spass: does that mean that any packages that might currently be present only for debugging, and removed in the final release, would also be removed in my installation come the final release? I.e. I won't end up with any redundant/left over packages once the release is out?
[16:04] <xubuntu36w> Because I would like to end up in the exact same spot as if I would have done a new install (excluding any packages that I might install, of course...)
[16:25] <Spass> I can't think of any packages that would be removed in the final release compared to the daily build
[16:26] <Spass> said all that, nothing will give you 100% fresh state other than a fresh install
[16:29] <xubuntu36w> That's good enough. I tried xfce 4.14 on Manjaro and was impressed by the improvements, but would like to run it on Xubuntu. Thanks for the help! :)
[16:31] <Spass> you can run 4.14 even on 18.04
[16:32] <Spass> but yeah, officially from 19.10
[16:33] <xubuntu36w> how would I do that?
[16:34] <Spass> there's a QA Staging PPA for 18.04 (and 19.04) with 4.14
[16:35] <Spass> here - https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging
[16:38] <Spass> and after adding it, simple "sudo apt full-upgrade" and reboot should do the trick
[16:38] <Spass> but not everyone wants/likes to add additional PPAs
[16:39] <xubuntu36w> So if I were to add that PPA to 19.04, what will happen to it once I upgrade to 19.10?
[16:42] <Spass> well, the PPA will get disabled (normal procedure during the GUI release upgrade), and everything should work just fine
[16:44] <xubuntu36w> So I can remove the PPA after the upgrade, and it will be as if I had done a vanilla upgrade from 19.04 -> 19.10?
[16:44] <Spass> but I think adding PPA to the 19.04 just to get 4.14 one (or two) month before the 19.10 release is a little bit hasty, why not wait a bit?
[16:45] <Spass> no, it may be not vanilla, some packages from that PPA that were installed/upgraded on 19.04 may be newer than those in the official 19.10 repos
[16:47] <Spass> I didn't compare the versions tho, you may take a look here 1) https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging?field.series_filter=disco and here 2) https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xfce4&searchon=names&suite=eoan&section=all
[16:47] <Spass> to compare
[16:48] <Spass> (most packages should be the same I think)
[16:49] <Spass> anyway, you have some options, I think everything that we talked about here is safe
[16:49] <Spass> depends on your needs really
[16:49] <xubuntu36w> Thanks, good to know. Then I will go with the daily builds instead. I could wait, or run something else in the meantime, but I'm curious to see if 4.14 runs equally well on Xubuntu as on Manjaro; e.g. there was no screen tearing out of the box, without any tweaks on my part, which is a first in my experience for xfce
[16:50] <Spass> yeah, at this (late) stage 19.10 daily should work pretty good
[16:53] <Spass> at least Xfce/Xubuntu stack seems stable, not sure what changes are the Ubuntu team planning before the final release, nothing major probably, so nothing should break
[16:54] <Spass> well… the standard warning here is "don't expect 100% stability from the daily and beta builds"
[16:56] <xubuntu36w> Duly noted :)
[16:56] <xubuntu36w> Thanks again! Take care
[16:59] <Spass> you too