[00:00] <TJ-> you've had no Linux/Ubuntu issues?
[00:00] <flog> But according to some source the 400Nit panel has the best color respons.
[00:00] <flog> Everything worked out of the box with ubuntu 19.04.
[00:00]  * TJ- is excited :)
[00:00] <flog> Did run in to issues with i3
[00:00] <flog> Had to write my own script to change backlight.
[00:01] <TJ-> suspend/resume OK?
[00:01] <flog> But the backlight keys worked in the default DE.
[00:01] <flog> *worked out of the box
[00:01] <flog> I believe it suspends just fine.
[00:02] <flog> Is there anywhere i could check what it is actually doing with suspend and resume?
[00:02] <TJ-> We see quite a few issues with suspend/resume and devices misbehaving due to ACPI so that sounds promising
[00:02] <TJ-> flog: the kernel log after a resume, "journalctl -k"
[00:03] <flog> I dont have a-k flag.
[00:03] <TJ-> flog: it should list just the kernel messages
[00:03] <flog> From what i've seen if i close the lid and come back a few hours later the battery has not drained any. not sure if that is an indication good enoguh.
[01:03] <pragmaticenigma> arinov: I think more information is need about what you're desire. Can you try expanding your idea/question with examples?
[02:23] <zenguy> !kde
[03:32] <mnathani> anything obviously wrong with this config?
[03:32] <mnathani> https://gist.github.com/mnathani/fd4611b17c8e3774d892c13b744b881d
[03:33] <mnathani> trying to delete the default route that gets installed
[04:06] <mnathani> router advertisements are turned off, but that default route keeps coming back
[04:30] <Phruis> trying to setup a samba share is failing to connect
[04:47] <bsdnoob> how can I download latest 19.04 image?
[04:47] <bsdnoob> all links I see are from april
[04:47] <bsdnoob> I want this patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1835809
[05:10] <CoJaBo> bsdnoob: Might have to do the install on another system and update..
[05:10] <CoJaBo> That, or wait til they do a dot release
[05:55] <flog> Hm i did not get any issues like that on my recently installed ryzen with 19.04
[06:23] <vincenzoml> Hi, I have a bluetooth keyboard connected via btintel module. Sometimes after hard reboot, the firmware for <something that I don't remember intel-related> breaks somehow and bluetooth does not work.
[06:23] <vincenzoml> This happens so rarely that I can't remember how to fix it, anyone willing to help a poor soul?
[06:23] <vincenzoml> It's related to linux-firmware, it's a command I have to input :)
[07:15] <ChiLLabiS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1838133
[07:15] <ChiLLabiS> "If verification is not done by 5 working days from today, this fix will be dropped from the source code, and this bug will be closed."
[07:15] <ChiLLabiS> :(
[07:15] <ChiLLabiS> Can someone verify?
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> hey ChiLLabiS
[07:16] <ChiLLabiS> Hey
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> lemme read holdon
[07:16] <ChiLLabiS> Thank you! lotuspsychje
[07:16] <ChiLLabiS> Though i'm waiting for someone to make this fix on to Bionic
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: kernel team says its fixxed in -proposed?
[07:18] <ChiLLabiS> What does that means lotuspsychje ?
[07:19] <ChiLLabiS> Will it be on bionic?
[07:19] <ChiLLabiS> Fix Committed on Disco, not released
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: they say you need to verify the bug first
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: i think what it means is, you test the proposed repo, to see if it fixes
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: if you unsure, please ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[07:20] <ChiLLabiS> okay thanks for your answer lotuspsychje
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: another option could be testing a daily 19.10 with a higher kernel
[07:21] <ChiLLabiS> It's says the fix is released on Eoan
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> right ok
[07:22] <ChiLLabiS> Was hoping they would fix this for bionic
[07:22] <ChiLLabiS> since it's LTS
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: try to enable proposed in software&sources
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: just keep ind mind, proposed can have unwanted behaviour to your system
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: make backups before you help testing
[07:23] <ChiLLabiS> lotuspsychje: Okay will try that, thank you! :)
[07:24] <ChiLLabiS> brb
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic disco
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: are you on -27 currently?
[07:31] <ChiLLabiS> lotuspsychje: Yeah i'm on -27
[07:31] <ChiLLabiS> I tried the proposal repo but it wansn't fixed there
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: you know if someone tested #47 ?
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: did you check if kernel version changed on proposed
[07:32] <ChiLLabiS> And it says on launchpad it's for Eoan not on Bionic.. #47?
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: bionic has now also the HWE kernel, aka same kernel as disco
[07:33] <ChiLLabiS> Ah ok
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> ChiLLabiS: if i was you, id join #ubuntu-kernel asking your next step
[07:33] <ChiLLabiS> Okay then, thanks again! :)
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> they will know what to do
[08:51] <dc> Hi. I installed some kinda of remote x11 screen thing so i could remote into my ubuntu desktop using nomachine or rdp. I can't remember what it was, this was over a year ago. I've now physically plugged my machine into a monitor and gets to 3 dots on the ubuntu loading screen, goes black and that's it from that point onwards
[08:51] <dc> I can still rdp or nx into my machine just fine
[08:53] <deanc> Pretty sure it was this package: xserver-xorg-video-dummy - in order to have a dummy display without having to physcially have one plugged in :)
[09:08] <c0mrade> best cheapest vps with dedi ip, to test some stuff?
[09:09] <ryuo> c0mrade: not related to support here, but try OVH SSD VPS. $3.49 a month or so.
[09:09] <ryuo> c0mrade: anything else, please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:10] <c0mrade> Okay what about digital ocean and linode?
[09:10] <ryuo> c0mrade: not the place to ask. please join #ubuntu-offtopic if you want an answer.
[09:13] <ryuo> ok...
[09:14] <MJCD> #lowendbox
[09:14] <MJCD> :D
[09:14] <MJCD> nb: ramnode mkvm :3
[09:46] <Guest3798> hi
[09:46] <Guest3798> my computer brokes
[09:51] <ryuo> Guest3798: can you be more specific?
[09:56] <Guest3798> ryuo, i added a second luks partition and followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019#Post-Installation_Steps ;on boot ubuntu cant find the luks partition. i will reboot now after i edited initramfs and cryptsetup-initramfs, another try
[10:06] <kubuntu> hi
[10:07] <Guest58390> i made screenshots of the errors
[10:09] <Guest58390> WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning.
[10:09] <Guest58390> Volume group "kubuntu-vg" not found
[10:10] <Guest58390> Cannot proccess volume group kubuntu-vg
[10:11] <Guest58390> Gave up waiting for root file system device.[..]  ALERT! /dev/mapper/kubuntu--vg-root does not exist. Dropping to shell
[10:13] <Guest58390> i think something is wrong
[10:36] <Guest58390> if i do update-initramfs it upgrade next boot use initramfs or have specifically link newly update to next boot initramfs?
[10:43] <deanc> Just upgraded to 19.04 on a pretty bog standard system. In my dock i only have a launcher icon (9 dots) and no app icons. They're all gone. Any ideas? Googling hasn't helped here
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> deanc: is your graphics card installed correctly?
[10:45] <deanc> lotuspsychje: it's onboard graphics, so i presume drivers come with the kernel
[10:45] <deanc> Everything else works, just the icons to launch the apps from the dock are missing
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> deanc: updated system aswell?
[10:45] <deanc> lotuspsychje: yep fully up to date 19.04
[10:45] <deanc> this only happened after the update
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> deanc: ok great, could you pastebin a dmesg please, lets see whats going on
[10:46] <deanc> lotuspsychje: how do i do that?
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> deanc: from /var/log manual, or type dmesg in a terminal, then copy paste to pastebin
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[10:46] <deanc> thanks, one moment
[10:47] <deanc> !pastebinit
[10:48] <deanc> lotuspsychje: is there anything that might be sensitive in the dmesg output?
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> deanc: no personal info is logged there, just debug info
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> deanc: unless your username perhaps
[10:48] <deanc> paste.ubuntu.com/p/W3X|N6QtT5
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> deanc: bad url
[10:49] <deanc> lotuspsychje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W3XZN6QtT5/
[10:49] <deanc> sorry :)
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> deanc: so you also can confirm, dock was working on the default kernel from your iso right?
[10:50] <deanc> lotuspsychje: prior to upgrading to 19.04, i was using 18.10 and the dock was working correctly
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> oh.. thats another story
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> deanc: when did you upgrade from 18.10?
[10:51] <deanc> a few minutes ago ;-)
[10:51] <deanc> this was the first problem i noticed.
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> deanc: 18.10 is long end of life at this moment, unwanted behaviour might arise from it
[10:52] <deanc> lotuspsychje: indeed, which is why i moved to 19.04
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> deanc: we usually reccomend to upgrade before its eol, for security reasons and unstability
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> but lemme read more dmesg
[10:53] <deanc> lotuspsychje: interestingly that little 9dotted icon does actually work, so the dock is somewhat functioning. just doesn't have any of my apps i had in there before :)
[10:54] <kubuntu__> hi
[10:54] <deanc> It seems it's "Dash to dock" and in the settings of that there is a "Show applications icon" which toggles that 9 dotted icon :). There is also a "Show faourite applications" setting which when toggled on and off does nothing
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> deanc: nothing too weird in dmesg
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> deanc: does apt give your errors of any kind when rying to update?
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> *trying
[10:56] <deanc> lotuspsychje: just a normal apt-get update?
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | deanc
[10:56] <deanc> lotuspsychje: there are no errors doing apt-get update
[10:57] <deanc> lotuspsychje: would it be worthwhile reinstall dash to dock and restarting?
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> deanc: yes try that please
[10:57] <deanc> lotuspsychje: i found that soluton on google, but not the commands, can you help?
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> deanc: sudo apt purge gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock
[10:59] <deanc> lotuspsychje: and then reboot, then the equivalent apt-get install of the same package?
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> yes, does apt want to purge more packages on that command?
[10:59] <deanc> it does
[10:59] <deanc> it wants ubuntu-desktop* and ubuntu-desktop-minimal* too
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> deanc: ok dont reboot then, and reinstall right after purge ubuntu-desktop etc aswell
[11:00] <deanc> ok
[11:02] <deanc> okay so i did the purge, then sudo apt-get install gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock ubuntu-desktop
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> great
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> now reboot after, lets see :p
[11:02] <deanc> should i choose "ubuntu" or "ubuntu with wayland" btw in the login shell (i tried both to see if the icons came back)
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> deanc: default is ubuntu, its the users choice to use wayland
[11:03] <deanc> i'll use stock ubuntu for now as i dont know too much about the difference
[11:03] <deanc> okay lotuspsychje: unfortunately no favourite icons
[11:03] <deanc> could it be it cleared my favourites somehow? how do i add one?
[11:03] <deanc> ah it;s not that, i can right click chrome in the app launcher and see it has "remove from favourites"
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> deanc: are the stock icons showing?
[11:04] <deanc> it literally is the 9 dot icon and nothing else in the dock
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> an empty dock correct?
[11:04] <deanc> lotuspsychje: an empty dock apart from that application launcher icon
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> kk
[11:04] <deanc> lotuspsychje: interestingly when i click activities nothing shows until i start typing. i dont remember this behaviour before? Or maybe i forgot
[11:05] <deanc> I am referring to the activities text in the top left
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> deanc: can you install dconf-tools please
[11:06] <deanc> sure, on cli?
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> yes
[11:06] <deanc> done
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> deanc: now dconf-editor from terminal
[11:07] <deanc> done
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> deanc: in the search function type dock
[11:07] <deanc> there's 3 entries
[11:08] <deanc> "Show the dock when using the hotkeys" (On) "Dock position" ('BOTTOM') "Dock always visible" (On)
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> deanc: org/gnome/shell/extensions/dash-to-dock
[11:08] <deanc> yep
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> hmm somethings not right, i got like 20 entrys
[11:09] <deanc> sorry lotuspsychje i didnt hit enter
[11:09] <deanc> there are a lot more now i pressed enter
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> deanc: search for the entry: show-favorites
[11:09] <deanc> it's on
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> puzzle :p
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> deanc: how about if you install gnome-tweak-tool
[11:10] <deanc> i have it installed lotuspsychje
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> deanc: extensions tab
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> dock enabled?
[11:11] <deanc> dash to dock is enabled at the top
[11:11] <deanc> ubuntu dock is disabled
[11:11] <deanc> i did look into that, apparently that ubuntu dock extension is a placeholder to reserve the namesapce of it or something
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> deanc: lets doublecheck: sudo lshw -C video
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> deanc: driver= at bottom loaded?
[11:11] <deanc> The only thing under gnome tweaks that caught my eye was under Appearance the "Shell" is greyed out with error "shell user theme extension not enabled"
[11:12] <deanc> drive=i915 is somewhere in that output lotuspsychje
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> deanc: thats good
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> deanc: hmm maybe when 18.10 was eol and you upgraded something went wrong with themes?
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> deanc: can you switch a theme?
[11:13] <deanc> lotuspsychje: i tried switching theme to bring back the icons, didnt work :)
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> right
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> deanc: how about manually picking other icon themes
[11:14] <deanc> lotuspsychje: have tried that too
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> ok another idea, create a new user deanc test dock from there
[11:14] <deanc> okay one moment!
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> lets rule out if its user related
[11:15] <deanc> lotuspsychje: logged in as new user "testuser", i have a dock on the left with a bunch of icons :)
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> deanc: right, so it must be user related from eol to 19.04
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> we need to clear settings somehow
[11:17] <deanc> lotuspsychje: i loaded tweak tool on this new user, and there isn't even a "dash to dock" extension loaded
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> deanc: did you make a backup of your home etc
[11:18] <deanc> lotuspsychje: not particularly
[11:18] <deanc> but i dont have anything hugely important in there
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> deanc: gnome-tweak-tool has a 'reset-to-defaults' option on options ontop
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> next to activities that is
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> right mouse
[11:19] <uzee> Hi, I'm trying to automate security updates for our ubuntu desktops and VM deployments and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates mentions a few methods. I'm comparing between the "unattended-upgrades" package or doing it via cron and aptitude. Is one approach better or safer than the otehr? I'm planning to set it up for weekly security updates but would like to minimize disruption
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> uzee: are you on ubuntu-server?
[11:20] <deanc> lotuspsychje: i did that, changed my desktop background but still a broken dock :)
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> deanc: bah lol
[11:20] <uzee> lotuspsychje: Yes sorry :)
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> deanc: rebooted after?
[11:20] <deanc> lotuspsychje: i'll try
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> uzee: its not illegal, but more volunteers at -server channel
[11:21] <uzee> got it, just posted there
[11:22] <deanc> lotuspsychje: i tried disabling dash to dock before reboot too
[11:22] <deanc> and now i have a dock :)
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> !yay | deanc
[11:23] <deanc> lotuspsychje: and the show favourite applications setting is now working
[11:23] <deanc> thank you for your patience lotuspsychje and help :)
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> welcome deanc
[11:29] <MonsieurBon> Hi all
[11:30] <MonsieurBon> One of my systems started freezeing up and stops responding every few hours. I believe it might be a kernel panic. Is there a way to verify that? If it's really a kernel panic, how do I find ou what's causing it?
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> MonsieurBon: can you confirm on wich kernel you are please
[11:32] <MonsieurBon> lotuspsychje, 4.15.0-60-generic
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> MonsieurBon: can you check 2 bugs if they apply to you please?
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> bug #1842686
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> bug #1842629
[11:33] <MonsieurBon> lotuspsychje, on Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> MonsieurBon: server or desktop?
[11:36] <MonsieurBon> lotuspsychje, yes, I am seeing the ip_do_fragment log message on screen, but I couldn't find that anywhere in the logs. I'll give the 58 a try and see if that is stable.
[11:36] <MonsieurBon> lotuspsychje, server
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> MonsieurBon: check also bug #1843152
[11:37] <MonsieurBon> lotuspsychje, yep, that's pretty much the log I'm getting
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:38] <MonsieurBon> lotuspsychje, is there a way to remotely (over ssh) boot into a specific kernel?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> MonsieurBon: try in #ubuntu-server mate, im more a desktop volunteer :p
[11:40] <MonsieurBon> lotuspsychje, ok, I'll do that. Thx for your help
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> MonsieurBon: if you seem affected, please mark yourself affected to the bug ok, tnx
[11:43] <MonsieurBon> lotuspsychje, I will. I'll test the 58 kernel and see how it runs
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> cool
[11:47] <deanc> lotuspsychje: while i have your ear, i asked a question about using xserver-xorg-video-dummy package to have a dummy display that i can nomachine/rdp into. Unfortunately a side-effect of this is that while the config is active on boot, if you plug a physical display in (and even reboot again) it simply doesnt send any video to it past the "Ubuntu loading" display. Any ideas how i can get a headless fake display whilst still allowing me to use a
[11:47] <deanc> physical monitor if i want?
[11:48] <deanc> I'm trying to avoid buying a headless HDMI plug, as it's difficult to get one shipped to the nordics
[11:49] <deanc> The only way i was even able to get the physical monitor working again was to comment out everything in the /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf file that i had added :)
[11:56] <Josse> Should I dual-boot ubuntu with windows? will it make my pc slower, and can I remove it without having damaged my pc if I don't like it?
[11:56] <draganivanovic> I have done it and it didn't
[11:57] <draganivanovic> Yes you can just delete that partion later if you desire
[11:58] <draganivanovic> What distro are you planning on putting btw?
[12:00] <Josse> I have no idea what that means...
[12:01] <BluesKaj> !dualboot
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Josse, ^
[12:02] <Josse> and that is 'harmless' to my pc?
[12:02] <draganivanovic> I will be if you partiton it correctly
[12:02] <Dreaman> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
[12:02] <Dreaman> System:    Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 5.3.0-050300rc7-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.33.92
[12:02] <Dreaman>            Distro: Ubuntu 19.10 (Eoan Ermine)
[12:03] <Dreaman> :)
[12:03] <draganivanovic> but you can always burn ISO file on USB stick and use it with out install
[12:03] <draganivanovic> that way you can delate anything...
[12:06] <draganivanovic> Josse can you try switching to ##draganivanovic and ask me everithing there?
[12:08] <jmichel> +
[12:13] <BluesKaj> draganivanovic, we encourage ubuntu users to stay in this chat to make sure the advice they receive is helpful and correct
[12:16] <EriC^^> Josse: no it doesnt make your pc slower, it just uses space on the hard disk, you can remove it easily if you install in uefi mode, if your windows is in legacy mode then ubuntu would overwrite the bootloader, so you'd have to back that up before installing ubuntu to revert back completely, or you'd need to have a windows cd that you can use after removing ubuntu to reinstall the bootloader
[12:47] <Phruis> i installed samba but it isn't allowing me to connect
[13:33] <Phruis> what do I need to do to make samba work nowadays?
[13:33] <rud0lf> dancing lessons? :P
[13:57] <groke> heh
[13:58] <Assid> heya
[13:59] <Assid> so what do you guys do.. /recommend.. 1 key across multiple servers ? or single key per server
[14:07] <Habbie> Assid, a key for what?
[14:07] <Assid> ssh keys
[14:08] <Habbie> i use one key across many servers
[14:14] <leftyfb> Assid: I think you want #ubuntu-security
[14:15] <leftyfb> Phruis: define not working. What OS is the client running?
[14:22] <leftyfb> Phruis: depending on the version of ubuntu you're running and if you're running Windows 10 as a client, then this might help you https://www.windowscentral.com/how-access-files-network-devices-using-smbv1-windows-10
[14:27] <PsynoKhi0> hi, are the Xorg log files still supposed to be located under /var/log on 18.04.3 with HWE installed?
[14:36] <Netmage> Hi, I bought a new 4K screen. Does anyone know how it would be possible to split my Ubuntu 19.04 screen automatically into 4 screens. I know that ubuntu support to fix 2 windows (when I push the window to the edge of the screen) but 4 ?
[14:40] <Sven_vB> why can a slow firefox slow down my mouse cursor? and how do I give my mouse cursor movement total priority over firefox?
[14:44] <PsynoKhi0> nvm, found them, under ~/.local/share/xorg/
[14:45] <Sven_vB> Netmage, what do you mean by "split"? use all the screens as one big virtual screen, like with xinerama?
[14:48] <hortiel> hi
[14:48] <hortiel> how 'd I use pxe for if no wired connection
[14:49] <hortiel> why is it over wire
[14:49] <groke> Sven_vB: maybe you run some firefox plugins that are slow
[14:49] <ramsub07> Hello. I believe that my ISP is regulating bandwidth for different websites. The only form of proof I have is the speed of download of various sites using curl. Is there any better way of verifying this so I can hold him accountable?
[14:49] <ramsub07> sorry if it's off topic
[14:50] <Sven_vB> groke, you mean step 1 would be to make a cgroup for firefox so I can be sure to catch them as well?
[14:50] <groke> no clue what a cgroup is.. :)
[14:51] <Sven_vB> groke, a control group can group a process and all its child processes together. however, I doubt any of my addons fork their own non-firefox processes.
[14:51] <groke> right
[14:52] <Sven_vB> albeit it's probably a good idea to arrange for my mouse cursor movement to have priority over ANY application inside my X session.
[14:53] <groke> you can use the nice number i guess, Sven_vB
[14:53] <groke> think you can set it from htop
[14:54] <Sven_vB> good idea. which process handles my cursor movement?
[14:54] <groke> it may well be the firefox process itself, at least when it is inside the firefox window
[14:55] <groke> firefox use the gtk libs, and gtk draws mouse cursors
[14:55] <groke> but im no expert in this
[14:59] <Netmage> Sven_vB, I mean usually I manually rearrange the size of every (of the 4) window that I have 4 windows that fit into the 4K screen.
[15:00] <Sven_vB> Netmage, so the problem is just to automatically place the windows?
[15:01] <Netmage> yes
[15:02] <Sven_vB> Netmage, a lot of window managers have features for rule-based automatic placement. if your's doesn't, you could use wmctrl to move them. the coordinates given to -e might need an offset to accomodate for window decoration.
[15:03] <Sven_vB> xdotool can probably do it, too.
[15:04] <groke> Netmage: check the concept of "tiling window manager"
[15:04] <groke> they're ugly though
[15:04] <groke> i like gnome more
[15:05] <groke> there may be shell extensions in gnome that support tiling
[15:05] <Netmage> Does both window manager "tiling window manager" and "wmctrl" work under gnome ?
[15:05] <Netmage> Gnome (Ubuntu 19.04) ?
[15:06] <Sven_vB> wmctrl and xdotool should work.
[15:07] <Sven_vB> A tiling WM mostly means the WM doesn't allow free placement of windows, but fills pre-defined slots instead, always.
[15:08] <Sven_vB> if you want that grid effect for just some applications, you should try other methods of making the grid alignment. (like wmctrl or xdotool
[15:09] <ioria> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/07/material-shell-tiling-gnome-shell-extension
[15:10] <Sven_vB> btw any idea why some keys (like close parens have no effect when VLC is running or has been running within the last few seconds; also question mark
[15:10] <Sven_vB> using xenial
[15:13] <Netmage> Cool. I will try all the recommendations. Thank you very much
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Xorg is what has control over the mouse at all times. If Firefox appears to be slowing down the mouse cursor, it has nothing to do with Firefox having control over the mouse. It is because Firefox is requiring more system resources than your machine has available at the time. This is often caused by poorly coded websites making use of large amounts of Video advertisements, large and poorly written JavaScript, or any
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> number of the extension you may have installed.
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Start with the simple approach. Remove all extensions from Firefox that you have installed, if any. Especially Adblockers, they scan each page looking for ads, and many are really poorly written and suck up a ton of system memory. Find reputable adblockers that meet your needs. Popular choices are EFF's Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin, they are both lightweight and interfere minimally with the operation of Firefox. Only
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> install one extension at a time, and browse the web for awhile. Try going to sites that tend to slow down the computer. If after removing the extension, the computer/mouse function normally. Now you know that one of the extension is to blame. If the site behaves, you can try adding the next extension back into firefox
[15:21] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, are you trying to say there's no easy way to confine a sometimes-hostile application other then not use it at all?
[15:22] <Sven_vB> I had imagined an OS would be able to guard such basic stuff like its mouse cursor from misbehaving apps.
[15:24] <Sven_vB> well I could probably virtualize it if there's no easier way.
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Your computer has a finite amount of resources available. There are guards against specific known malicious behaviors, but to monitor an application in real time for poor performance and malicious actions would slow the machine down to a crawl as each processor instruction would have to be analyzed before execution by another program, which those actions would need to be analyzed, and so and so forth. The machine would
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> never run
[15:25] <Sven_vB> couldn't it just prioritize inputs?
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: A computer prioritizes the inputs of the person at the keyboard. It is only capable of doing what you "tell" it to do. There is no magic algorithm that could determine your intent at any given moment and make sure something is given priority over something else.
[15:27] <Sven_vB> oh ic. I had thought X might register something like an interrupt to fire at high priority each time a pointer device speaks.
[15:28] <Sven_vB> (and would then paint whatever was last selected by applications as the preferred mouse sprite.)
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: This is all moving way into off topic territory. For operating system theology and history. Try asking in ##linux or searching for a more appropriate forum
[15:29] <Sven_vB> ok!
[15:30] <Sven_vB> thanks anyway, also for trying to help with taming firefox itself. :)
[16:26] <binni> How do I install Linux Kernel 5.2.x and Mesa 19.1.x on Ubuntu 19.04?
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | binni
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> binni: is there something that doesnt work on your current kernel?
[16:35] <[twisti]> hi, i have a script that restarts a docker server. i would like to give a user the ability to run, but not change, the script. but i do not want to give the user blanket docker access. i thought i could just make a bash script doing 'docker-compose down && docker-compose up -d', chown it to root, and +s it, so the script would be executed as root. but that doesnt seem to be working. any advice
[16:35] <[twisti]> ?
[16:38] <Habbie> [twisti], setuid shell scripts don't work on any modern OS
[16:38] <Habbie> [twisti], sudo access to specific commands is the common approach here
[16:39] <[twisti]> i see
[16:39] <[twisti]> can i add sudo access to the script ? the specific command is rather lengthy, i dont want the user to need to memorize it
[16:39] <spinningCat> why i got Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libapache2-mod-php7.0"
[16:40] <spinningCat> adding this is suggested
[16:40] <spinningCat> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php
[16:41] <spinningCat> should i add it?
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> spinningCat: we dont support external ppa's
[16:42] <spinningCat> i see
[16:42] <spinningCat> itis weird to get this error
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> spinningCat: can you pastebin your whole apt output please?
[16:43] <ioria> spinningCat, are you on xenial 16.04 ?
[16:45] <spinningCat> how can i check ubuntu's version i am not sure it must be 18.04
[16:46] <ioria> spinningCat, xenial has 7.0, bionic 7.2
[16:47] <spinningCat> it is bionic
[16:47] <spinningCat> 7.2 then
[16:47] <ioria> spinningCat, then 7.0 it's not available
[16:47] <ioria> !info libapache2-mod-php
[16:49] <spinningCat> it fixed when i change it to 7.2
[17:01] <argusbr> i need one specialist freelancer busybox / firmware
[17:09] <tomreyn> !ot | argusbr
[17:21] <hatsunearu> so i'm having issues with 144hz and 60hz dual monitor setup on ubuntu 19.04
[17:21] <hatsunearu> the 144hz monitor locks to 60hz rendering when the 60hz monitor is not unplugged
[17:21] <hatsunearu> anyone know of any fix?
[17:46] <ioria> hatsunearu, see if this fits the case, and check #5 fo a workaround ; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1763892
[17:48] <hatsunearu> ill try
[17:48] <magic_ninja> are there any other graphical frontends for package managers besides muon and synaptic?
[18:12] <Mathisen> may i ask an apt question in here. it is in WSL ?
[18:13] <Mathisen> im getting error when trying to install python-pip "E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_4.15.0-58.64_amd64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1560:8001::14 80]"
[18:13] <Mathisen> ipv6 issue or what ?
[18:16] <Mathisen> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SWQVXGhJVt/
[18:18] <Mathisen> https://i.imgur.com/QWSDw5f.png
[18:23]  * Mathisen facepalms... would be good if i did an update also.. seems i had not done it today.. so ignore everything #sundays
[18:36] <argusbr> i need one specialist freelancer busybox / firmware
[18:51] <k1ng> hi, is there anyway to auto accept zfs-dkms license?
[18:56] <fengway> What is the best way to install windows 10 beside my ubuntu?
[18:57] <EriC^^> fengway: define best
[18:58] <fengway> Easiest way for a noob
[18:58] <fengway> i need detailed tutorial, but most tutorials are for installing ubuntu when you already have Windows
[18:59] <EriC^^> fengway: it's pretty easy, you'll need to free some space from the windows partition (shrink it) and once you have unallocated space, boot a live ubuntu usb and let it do its thing
[19:00] <fengway> When I free space for windows why do I need to use ubuntu live usb? Does it help you to install windows?
[19:00] <EriC^^> fengway: if you're installing in legacy mode (not uefi) then you might want to back up your disk's bootloader before installing ubuntu if you dont have a windows usb that you can use to reinstall the bootloader, if you choose to remove ubuntu later
[19:00] <Voziv> EriC^^: He means the other way around. He has ubuntu, and wants to install windows
[19:00] <EriC^^> crap, i misread it fengway
[19:00] <EriC^^> yeah
[19:01] <Voziv> I think the main hurdle is getting the boatloader to work afterwards. I think windows will kill grub
[19:01] <EriC^^> fengway: well, in that case, it's basically the same, you'll need a live ubuntu usb to shrink some space, have windows install, then use the live usb to reinstall grub
[19:01] <fengway> I have zebra label printer, don't want to install windows but VMWare can't find zebra printer but it find my primary printer
[19:02] <fengway> Do i need two USB for this job?
[19:02] <fengway> one for windows ISO and one for ubuntu live?
[19:02] <EriC^^> fengway: well that would be convenient, but it's not necessary, you can get away with one
[19:03] <EriC^^> (if you dont have 2)
[19:03] <fengway> I only have 1 atm, so I can install windows ISO and ubuntu live on it at same time?
[19:03] <fengway> or i need to do some stuff to make two partitions on the usb?
[19:04] <EriC^^> fengway: type "ls /sys/firmware/efi" in ubuntu
[19:04] <EriC^^> does it show files or no file found?
[19:04] <fengway> config_table  esrt              fw_vendor  runtime-map  varsefivars       fw_platform_size  runtime    systab
[19:04] <fengway> shows this
[19:05] <EriC^^> ok, good that means you're using uefi
[19:05] <fengway> so i install windows iso and ubuntu live on same usb with no special configurations?
[19:06] <EriC^^> fengway: i dunno if that would work, it's not what i meant though
[19:07] <EriC^^> just make a live ubuntu usb first, repartition ubuntu as you wish, then make the windows usb
[19:07] <EriC^^> install windows, then from windows make an ubuntu usb again, and boot it to reinstall grub
[19:07] <fengway> ah okey
[19:07] <EriC^^> fengway: kinda tedious
[19:07] <EriC^^> there's another way since you're using uefi
[19:08] <EriC^^> but you end up with 2 efi partitions instead of 1
[19:08] <fengway> i can buy another usb, just to make it easy
[19:08] <fengway> thanks for the help, i will try the vmware channel and see if they can help me with my printer so i don't need to install windows
[19:09] <EriC^^> no problem, good idea
[19:20] <zoinks> GB = Gigabyte, Gb=Gigabit, right guys?
[19:20] <pi0> when i turn on my laptop, i enabled FDE, and i am prompted with this purple screen to enter my password
[19:20] <pi0> how do i customize that page?
[19:20] <pi0> or screen
[19:27] <pi0> what is that screen called? not even sure what to google in order to customize it
[19:29] <flog> login screen?
[19:32] <flog> Might be calle dgreeter
[19:33] <pi0> dgreeter is the ubuntu login screen?
[19:35] <flog> *called greeter
[19:35] <ioria> it's plymouth
[19:37] <flog> Isnt plymouth the boot splash?
[19:37] <ioria> yes
[19:38] <flog> Is that the same as the logi nscreen?
[19:38] <pi0> plymouth controls the luks password screen
[19:38] <ioria> nope, but is where the fde pasword shows
[19:38] <pi0> for full disk encryption
[19:38] <ioria> yep
[19:39] <pi0> i need to learn how to customize it
[19:39] <ioria> as you always do
[19:44] <pi0> is there a gui app to customize
[20:27] <B|ack0p> i will do battery recalibrate on ubuntu. so when discharge not to shut down i need to disable upower. how can i disable upower?
[21:42] <Phruis> if I have an fdisk process going can i ctrl-z it into the background over ssh and then re-login and bring it back up?
[21:43] <Platonides> Phruis: you can't background a process in one ssh session and foreground it on another one
[21:43] <Platonides> as they would be on different terminals
[21:43] <Platonides> you would need to have started it on eg. screen(1)
[21:44] <Platonides> you *could* make it continue from a different session
[21:44] <Platonides> and if you were lucky, it *could* continue runnign where it left, not ending due to lack of terminal
[21:44] <Platonides> (not really applicable for fdisk, but talking generally)
[21:48] <Phruis> Platonides ahh ok thans
[22:10] <seven-eleven> should i file a bug report to snapd to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd or https://launchpad.net/snapd
[22:40] <cplx> hi all - fun question! would like to DDOS my local router on the LAN to see what it can handle. Thinking hping3 will be the right tool - any suggestions on a command that would slow it right down?
[22:47] <leftyfb> !ot | cplx
[22:47] <leftyfb> cplx: try #security
[22:59] <dStruct> Hey all, I'm having a strange issue where this Asus P5N-D motherboard doesn't detect any SATA devices, yet when I boot from a USB 18.04 installer I can see and install to the drive, it however obviously doesn't boot.  Anyone happen to have seen something like this before?
[23:07] <tomreyn> dStruct: maybe usb booting is bios and standard booting is uefi, or the other way around?
[23:09] <tomreyn> oh thats a really old board
[23:18] <lufi> Hi guys. Anyone experienced getting stuck at "update utmp about system runlevel changes"?
[23:22] <dStruct> tomreyn: I figured it out, apparently I have a dead sata port on this mobo :(
[23:22] <dStruct> tomreyn: interesting though, I was able to detect it live booted from usb and install to it!
[23:23] <dStruct> and fwiw this board is so old it doesn't even know what UEFI is
[23:24] <dStruct> it's cobbled together from old misc parts I had laying around.  I use it for imaging drives on a mainframe
[23:27] <fleabeard> Hello, trying to manage my cisco 2960 in Ubuntu, but can't seem to figure it out. I've tried doing a /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port I need to use (my rolloever cable) but it just closes out immediately and says it's not allowed?
[23:33] <dStruct> fleabeard: lsusb will show you what devices you have connected via usb, and dmesg or /var/log/syslog can probably narrow down where the driver mapped it to
[23:33] <dStruct> fleabeard: for example grep -i "usb" /var/log/syslog
[23:34] <dStruct> fleabeard: just be aware that those /dev/ttyUSBx ports will move around on you if you have multiple usb serial interfaces, so if you have say 2 usb dongles either one could be ttyUSB0 depending on what order they detect on bootup
[23:37] <dStruct> fleabeard: once you find the right device, make sure your user is in the dialout group, at least I think that's what they still call it, you'll need to logout and back in to activate the change
[23:38] <fleabeard> dStruct, https://pastebin.com/0e8LcXNi am I reading that output correctly? I'm assuming ttyUSB0 is it. This is a small netbook with only 2 USB ports and the other uses a Bluetooth dongle for my wireless mouse :)
[23:39] <lufi> Here's the logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HqvQZzhwhD/ So it seems like it is trying to start a desktop? I am currently running a server-only ubuntu
[23:46] <fleabeard> oh, I managed to get it sorted via minicom, thanks!
[23:52] <analogical> how do I change permission on a file so it gets accessable to open i a text editor?
[23:55] <akemlenovo_> analogical, something like "chmod a+r /path/to/file" set it readable for everyone.
[23:56] <dStruct> analogical: there is a lot of information available online about file ownership and permissions, the file in question would need to be owned by the person opening it, or part of a group said user is in and have the correct permissions set.  So you could do chown you:you file.txt and then chmod 777 file.txt for example
[23:56] <akemlenovo_> You could also change owner or just set mode for the group etc...
[23:56] <doug16k> analogical, are you trying to edit a system configuration file but find that it won't let you save it?
[23:57] <doug16k> for that, just put sudo before your editor command and it will run it as root, which has almost certainly has permission
[23:57] <dStruct> doug16k: unless they're talking text editor or a gui application, then gksudo
[23:58] <dStruct> personally I just use nano for everything and switch to root or sudo nano something.cfg if I need to
[23:59] <doug16k> ^