[01:59] <DarkTrick> Bug: open application finder,  type in a search term, press down-arrow-key *once* => selection will go down *two* entries
[02:00] <DarkTrick> could anyone confirm? (xubuntu 19.04)
[02:10] <krytarik> DarkTrick: Well, can't repro that on v4.14.0 here anyway - and don't see any entries in the changelog that would indicate such a bug has been fixed since.
[02:13] <DarkTrick> krytarik, thank you for your feedback.
[02:14] <DarkTrick> seems to be like an introduced ibus bug
[02:14] <DarkTrick> -like
[09:22] <irgendwer4711> hi, I have a problem installing 19.10 on my amd 3700x. I tried my own linux rescue usb stick first, Linux runs. but Xubuntu installer hangs on loading screen.
[09:26] <irgendwer4711> maybe I fetched an too old iso?
[09:28] <irgendwer4711> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1835809
[09:41] <irgendwer4711> I mean 19.04
[10:56] <hans_> got a VM in VMWare Player 14, running xubuntu 18.04.3 ISO running live, and i can't get copy & paste to work from VM->host after running `sudo apt install open-vm-tools open-vm-tools-desktop` , any idea how to get copy & paste to work from VM to host?
[10:57] <tomreyn> irgendwer4711: non LTS releases do not usually get newer ISOs, since there are no point releases for those. there can be unsupported daily builds of those ISOs, though. alternatively, you can install ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS and either keep running it or upgrade to 19.04.
[10:57] <irgendwer4711> tomreyn: yes
[10:57] <irgendwer4711> I updated bios, maybe this works
[10:58] <hans_> (err, it wasn't working *BEFORE* i insatlled open-vm-tools desktop either, but that has historically been the way to fix it)
[10:59] <hans_> (i even think that worked in the the original 18.04 iso but not the 18.04.3 iso, even)
[11:00] <irgendwer4711> hans_: did you ever try VirtualBox?
[11:00] <hans_> irgendwer4711, yeah, but VMWare is way more performant =/
[11:00] <irgendwer4711> hans_: I dont think so.
[11:00] <irgendwer4711> you have to switch to kvm mode on VB
[11:01] <irgendwer4711> for more power than that, try Xen
[11:02] <hans_> irgendwer4711, WoW, Flyff, Tibia, DirectX games that easily run 20+ fps under VMWare runs 1 fps or outright crashes on VirtualBox on the same hardware (even with the "experimental" VBox graphics drivers installed)
[11:02] <hans_> i can actually play DirectX-based games in VMWare, i can't in VirtualBox
[11:03] <irgendwer4711> hans_: you want to play in a windows vm?
[11:03] <hans_> it happens, yes.
[11:03] <irgendwer4711> hans_: Didnt try that. I use Stream and Wine
[11:03] <hans_> Stream?
[11:03] <irgendwer4711> *steam
[11:04] <irgendwer4711> and of course native linux games ^^
[11:06] <hans_> anyway in my experience, the VMWare graphics drivers are over 20 times faster than the VirtualBox graphics drivers, and thus i default to VMWare~
[11:06] <hans_> (for Windows guests, at least)
[11:06] <irgendwer4711> thare a 3 Vbox GFX Driver
[11:07] <irgendwer4711> did you select vboxsvga?
[11:07] <hans_> did you say that there are 3 different Vbox graphics drivers? i've only tried the 1 shipped from Sun/Oracle on the virtualbox.org website
[11:07] <irgendwer4711> you have to configure you VM
[11:08] <hans_> configured? how?
[11:08] <tomreyn> vbox has an option for graphics (3D) acceleration which is not enabled by default, and only works properly after installing their guest tools.
[11:09] <hans_> yes, i did enable that.
[11:10] <hans_> i also remember that the VBox graphics drivers could only be installed in safe-mode, and yes, i installed them in safe-mode
[11:10] <tomreyn> if you want proper graphics performance in a VM you'll better use qemu / kvm with graphics pass-through, though
[11:10] <hans_> tomreyn, yeah if i have a spare graphics card, pass-through would be an option. but with VMWare, i don't need that, and i don't have a spare GPU
[11:10] <tomreyn> the vbox windows guest driver which can only be installed in safe mode is the old one, which doesn't get you good 3d performance.
[11:11] <hans_> tomreyn, you're saying there's a new 1 that is significantly better than the old one?
[11:11] <tomreyn> for some years now, yes
[11:11] <hans_> nice, maybe i should try VBox again
[11:11] <tomreyn> vmware player, just like vbox, is just desktop virtualization, though, can't get close to kvm.
[11:12] <hans_> (has indeed been a couple of years since i compared the performance of VMWare vs VirtualBox)
[11:12] <irgendwer4711> lol
[11:12] <hans_> tomreyn, both VMWare and VBox uses kvm under the hood if available
[11:13] <irgendwer4711> what???
[11:13] <irgendwer4711> this is not correct, VB can use some pv for some devices, thats all
[11:14] <tomreyn> vbox uses a fork of kvm, vmware uses their own software, i think, which is partially a license infringement on open source software.
[11:14] <tomreyn> (or used to be some years ago, maybe this has changed since)
[11:14] <irgendwer4711> you can switch virtualistaion mode
[11:15] <hans_> irgendwer4711, https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch10.html
[11:15] <hans_> > Oracle VM VirtualBox provides the following interfaces:
[11:15] <hans_>  (...)KVM: Presents a Linux KVM hypervisor interface which is recognized by Linux kernels version 2.6.25 or later. Oracle VM VirtualBox's implementation currently supports paravirtualized clocks and SMP spinlocks. This provider is recommended for Linux guests.
[11:15] <irgendwer4711> I already said that
[11:16] <irgendwer4711> this is per device, but you could mix that
[11:16] <irgendwer4711> but you can select pv nic oder emulated nic
[11:17] <irgendwer4711> *or
[11:21] <irgendwer4711> tomreyn: bios patch was good :-)
[11:21] <tomreyn> those can help, especially on newer hardware like yours
[11:34] <irgendwer4711> bye
[12:35] <pencilandpaper> Hi, I was wondering what kernel version that Xubuntu Bionic Beaver is using at the moment, and what kernel version it started with please?
[12:37] <tomreyn> pencilandpaper: do you mean the upstream kernel version or the exact debian / ubuntu package versions?
[12:37] <gnrp> pencilandpaper: You can check on packages.ubuntu.org for the current version
[12:38] <pencilandpaper> It came out using the 4.19 kernel I think..right tomreyn ?  But once you update the system it jumps to a upstream kernel version right?
[12:39] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=18.04.x+Ubuntu+Kernel+Support+Schedule.svg
[12:39] <gnrp> no, it will stay with the ubuntu/debian supplied ones
[12:39] <pencilandpaper> Thanks tomreyn ..
[12:39] <pencilandpaper> Ok gnrp , thanks.
[12:40] <gnrp> and that, then, depends on the policy of the release you are following
[12:40] <pencilandpaper> Right, I know what you mean..thanks gnrp .
[12:41] <tomreyn> if you installed using an (x)ubuntu 18.04.0 or 18.04.1 ISO, major and minor kernel version will remain unmodified when you install updates, unless you choose to install an LTSE kernel
[12:41] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[12:42]  * gnrp is quiet now since tomreyn obviously knows much better. :P
[12:42] <tomreyn> later desktop ISO releases (18.04.3 and higher) will default to the LTSE/HWE kernel.
[12:42] <pencilandpaper> Ok cool.  I am using a OS that is built using the Bionic binaries, so I decided to compile the latest 4.19 kernel for it since its a LTS kernel..so I was just wondering..
[12:43] <tomreyn> gnrp: i think your answers were fine. ;)
[12:43] <pencilandpaper> I appreciate it, thanks. :)
[12:44] <tomreyn> pencilandpaper: you're referring to LTS in the kernel.org sense. when i mentioned LTS it was in the ubuntu sense. upstream (kernel.org) kernels have different support periods (and choices for long term support) than ubuntu's.
[12:45] <tomreyn> on ubuntu, there is no supported 4.19 kernel package at this time.
[12:45] <pencilandpaper> Ok cool, thanks..and I actually did know that..
[12:47] <tomreyn> (and, at least i personally, won't support anything but ubuntu on the ubuntu (and official flavour) channels.)
[12:48] <pencilandpaper> I understand that tomreyn , it was just something that I was wondering about and you have been extremely helpful.  I appreciate it.
[12:48] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[12:48] <gnrp> Although, I'd add: Compiling your own kernel and running it is quite easy and safe. Just try it
[12:49] <gnrp> ups, six seconds late
[13:53] <xubuntu69w> hay admin
[13:54] <xubuntu69w> why my Usb can't read on xubuntu 16.04?
[13:54] <xubuntu69w> do you have solution for me?
[14:17] <tomreyn> yes, but it would involve remaining connected for longer.
[17:54] <sm0rux> My notifications suddenly changed the look. I guess it might be because I logged in using a xfce-session. Can it be restored to the nice look and feel it used to have?
[17:59] <diogenes_> sm0rux, https://i.imgur.com/F4DAVvn.png
[17:59] <Lantorax> Tommyh*s*littlegun
[18:07] <sm0rux> diogenes_: Sorry, none of the selected themes make any change. Looks like https://allg.one/RgYW regardless of selected theme.
[18:09] <diogenes_> sm0rux, look for any .gtkrc-2-0 files in your home dir.
[18:09] <diogenes_> hidden file.
[18:10] <sm0rux> No such file
[18:10] <diogenes_> make sure the "save session" is disabled.
[18:11] <Spass> that's not Xfce's notification, I saw that a solution to your issue is to remove some package that took control over your notification service
[18:12] <Spass> unfortunately I don't remember the name and I can't find it
[18:13] <ondondil> dunst?
[18:13] <Spass> yeah, that was it I think
[18:13] <sm0rux> diogenes_: Saved session?
[18:14] <diogenes_> sm0rux, see what guys suggest.
[18:14] <Spass> sm0rux, try "sudo apt remove dunst" (if you know that you don't need that)
[18:14] <diogenes_> apt list --installed | grep dunst
[18:15] <Spass> ondondil sent me the source, here it is - https://www.reddit.com/r/xfce/comments/cwz1io/xfce4notifyd_ugly_blue_theme_on_debian_buster/
[18:23] <sm0rux> Thanks a zillion, guys! Removing dunst and a restart of my laptop and everything is back to where it used to be. <3