[00:32] <B[]> Hey, is this project still active?
[00:32] <B[]> I'm looking to port UbuntuOS to an old mobile that isn't currently supported
[00:33] <B[]> But if Ubuntu Phone will be depreciated then I'll look elsewhere
 https://ubuntu-touch.io
[00:46] <B[]> Ty Found the site in the end
[00:46] <B[]> Maybe this should be updated: https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/devices/porting-new-device
 docs.ubports.io
[00:48] <B[]> Just found that too :
[00:48] <B[]> :)
 [Edit] https://docs.ubports.io
 lol
[00:49] <B[]> A few questions if you have time
 [Edit] https://docs.ubports.com
 Feel free to ask
[00:49] <B[]> It seems Halium boot is 16.04?
[00:49] <B[]> Is there an upgrade path once installed?
 It is kept up to date by the community, yes if that's what you mean
[00:51] <B[]> Does it follow the Ubuntu Desktop release scehdule?
[00:51] <B[]> I'm currently on 19.04 desktop for example
[00:52] <B[]> (Which is annoyingly buggy)
 No as the team is small we stay on the lts cycle as long as it is supported
 For example we'll probabk
 [Edit] For example we'll probably stay on 16.04 till 2021
[00:53] <B[]> Okay
[00:55] <B[]> So from what I can see, you somehow install halium boot and then install Ubuntu Touch?
 Well that's a question for the porters
 But yes first you port halium and then you port UT
 #halium is a good place for porting related questions
[00:57] <B[]> Ah okay
[00:57] <B[]> Thanks :)
 Sure np
 What does the circle in the lock screen do?
 @DCR [What does the circle in the lock screen do?], https://askubuntu.com/questions/611583/phone-welcome-screen-round-circle-infographic-how-it-works
 Thanks
[05:52] <ubptgbot> a9rcknight was added by: a9rcknight
 Hello. I have. Asus Zenfone max Pro m1 can I install Ubuntu touch?
 @a9rcknight [Hello. I have. Asus Zenfone max Pro m1 can I install Ubuntu touch?], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 If I want to port it myself. It says I have to have. LineageOs 14 support..   I do have lineage0s  16 support.
 Does that work,?
 @a9rcknight [Hello. I have. Asus Zenfone max Pro m1 can I install Ubuntu touch?], Nope
 You can't even port it as it uses Oreo
 @hacker12455 [You can't even port it as it uses Oreo], Dammn
[07:50] <flaburgan> hi everyone
[07:55] <flaburgan> I joined the ubport patreon with a sweatshirt reward in june but had no news about it
[07:55] <flaburgan> does anyone here is in charge of the patreon rewards?
 I'd like to update the system on my bqe4.5 (edge) but the download stoppet at ~ 50MB/400MB and the settings gui froze. the only solution I found is to flash the phone again...
[10:00] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Is it possible to make TELEports app official-looking on in the app store ? I mean change its logo to reflect Telegram's theme and give it appropriate name ? I know there is Telegram app already but it's pretty obsolete and unlike TELEports not being worked on anymore.
[10:01] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Or is there a reason for its current look and feel ?
 @mark alexa [Or is there a reason for its current look and feel ?], the TELEports application is not an official client by telegram, but it's being developed by ubports. given that, it cannot use "telegram" as a name, neither the official icon
 the other app (the old one) has that name and logo because this rule about name and icon for unofficial client has been added when that old app already existed
[10:11] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @mymike00 [the TELEports application is not an official client by telegram, but it's being …], I see .... meaning .... you can't use the official look 'coz you're not allowed to. You'd have to ask for permission from the company that runs the official app for iOS and Android.
 @mark alexa [I see .... meaning .... you can't use the official look 'coz you're not allowed …], well, it would make much sense asking telegram a permission when they said that unofficial app cannot do it...
 @mark alexa [I see .... meaning .... you can't use the official look 'coz you're not allowed …], [Edit] well, it wouldn't make much sense asking telegram a permission when they said that unofficial app cannot do it...
[10:15] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @mymike00 [well, it wouldn't make much sense asking telegram a permission when they said th …], I thought the old app used the official look without asking for permission. TELEports would ask. But the thing is even if they would get a go from Telegram that means that there would be 2 Telegram apps in Open Store with the same look which
[10:15] <ubptgbot>  is not cool.
 @mark alexa [I thought the old app used the official look without asking for permission. TELE …], the old app uses that look because when it was created there wasn't that rule. … also that old telegram app will be removed from the store when TELEports reaches feature parity with it. atm the old app has features that TELEports doesn't hav
[10:18] <ubptgbot> e yet.
[10:20] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @mymike00 [the old app uses that look because when it was created there wasn't that rule. … a …], Ohh really ? So it's not that obsolete after all. Maybe just the protocol it's using is older than TELEport's.
 @mark alexa [Ohh really ? So it's not that obsolete after all. Maybe just the protocol it's u …], yeah, TELEports is using the new TDLib, an official library for telegram clients while the old app is using some APIs which will be deprecated in the future (making it not working anymore when telegram drops those APIs)
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @mymike00 [yeah, TELEports is using the new TDLib, an official library for telegram clients …], OK. That's great to hear that devs are working with the library that is meant to be used for Telegram users. That guarantees the same feats you can find on other platforms are possible to make them work on UT. Like phone calls. But that's st
[10:27] <ubptgbot> ill far away in the future ....
 @mark alexa [OK. That's great to hear that devs are working with the library that is meant to …], yes, calls aren't our priority atm and would be more difficult to implementd then other features as well. also calls require to use another official lib in addition to TDLib to work...
[10:29] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> ... I can imagine ...
 @mark alexa [OK. That's great to hear that devs are working with the library that is meant to …], The library is ready for calls but still no one can solve the problem that incoming calls dont work now simply bc the app is suspended in the background for example
 @mark alexa [I thought the old app used the official look without asking for permission. TELE …], Telegram changed their terms. Before it was easier to make it look official. Now we are not allowed anymore (for new apps)
 The old app was originally made in partnership with telegram, by canonical, which is why it was allowed
 Hello guys, it's possible install anbox on nexus 7 ?
 Suddenly wondering how private Dekko2 push notifications (containing the mail titles)  are. Are they passing throug the Ubports push server in clear text?
 @dad_and_alive [Suddenly wondering how private Dekko2 push notifications (containing the mail ti …], No. Its a local one only
 @dad_and_alive [Suddenly wondering how private Dekko2 push notifications (containing the mail ti …], they aren't push notifications. it's a local background service polling for mail
 @dohbee [they aren't push notifications. it's a local background service polling for mail], Which reminds me of the ota update thingie... Need to look what we can do for this now ^^
[13:03] <ubptgbot> <Will Pereira> Eso es normal
 I want to reinstall UT. … So I just flash it again with the installer? … Or … do I need to do anything else to have a full reinstall?
 you can just flash again with installer, or just select a different channel in system settings; both are a full "flash". if you want to wipe all user data though, you'll need to use installer to select that option, or use factory reset in system settings options
 @dohbee [they aren't push notifications. it's a local background service polling for mail], Thx. That would indeed make more sense. I should have known better.
 well push notifications would make more sense. background service can eat battery :)
 @dohbee [well push notifications would make more sense. background service can eat batter …], Aha, good point. Battery life is the number one issue with my Nexus 5.
 @dohbee [you can just flash again with installer, or just select a different channel in s …], great answer, thank you very much !
 @dad_and_alive [Aha, good point. Battery life is the number one issue with my Nexus 5.], you can change the setting in dekko so it checks for mail much less often, which helps quite a bit, or i think also set it to never, so it only checks when you manually refresh in the app
 I`ll try that. But in any case, battery life span will still suck, I had already made extensive checks in the past and 3G, 4G and WiFi were shown to be the major culprits.
 I mean s**k
 radios can eat power when being used, especially actively or when they are searching for network, but you can also turn them off when not using
 having a background service keeping the phone from entering deep sleep, and pinging multiple servers every few minutes, will definitely kill battery though
 that's what I'm trying to remind me of ... but often to no avail, an option to activate 3G/4G/Wifi for X minutes would be super for me.
 Hello guys, it's possible install anbox on nexus 7 ?
 @Davgian [Hello guys, it's possible install anbox on nexus 7 ?], See https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1676/development-testers-for-anbox if it's not listed there, then i think the kernel isn't available yet
 @dohbee [well push notifications would make more sense. background service can eat batter …], Especially when Dekko 2 has no network, it tries to get connection every 20s or so...
 How do yo tell what apps in the open store are legit?
 The warning made me nervous
 If its in the store it's most likely legit :3
 Nice.
 (Photo, 486x649) https://irc.ubports.com/pSw25JmD.png
 they will also have more hearts ... but you will have mine
 [Edit] they will have more hearts ... but you will have mine
 well we had an incident before where an app was able to modify the boot splash, not sure if it was in Ubuntu Store or already in the OpenStore though...this is if I remember correctly 😅
 👀
 @Javacookies [well we had an incident before where an app was able to modify the boot splash, …], ubuntu store i believe
 bug where apparmor profile inside subfolder or something, that was fixed
 I got my nexus5 setup yesterday!  … Gotta say i love the os.  … The installer is bad ass too.
 awesome, nexus5 is nice
 Nice job ubiports team
 Got a Bitcoin address? I’ll send a lil sumtin sumtin.
 apps to explore: uttweak tool, uvolman, uadblock
 they might
 lets see
 https://ubports.com/donate
 yep looks like
 awesome! welcome! Nexus 5 is a great UT device
 Bitcoin address  … 1DpvghKwhrwZyyCyWMQ2tnLaV3yEznFndB
 Found it
 dekko 2 for email, tagger(qr codes)
 oh, if you are ever fusterated by music on certain apps stoping, uttweak tool has a switch to keep an app of your chosing open in background
 this app suspension really helps to control battery life
 Hi I think I am a bit off topic but maybe someone can help me. I want to try Ubuntu desktop. Under a security perspective, would it better to download the latest version (19) or the  LTS (18.04)? Thanks.
 https://explorer.btc.zelcore.io/tx/e24844f576f3f73558c7a94c049b1629f0a19e8d0b7e25711ec496fc9564a16c
 You're right: that is off topic here. (I'm sure it has been answered many times on the internet.)
 18.04 Doh!
 https://t.me/UBportsOF for off topic and extraneous discussion
 @alan_griffiths [You're right: that is off topic here. (I'm sure it has been answered many times …], I tried to look up on Google but I found nothing
 Thanks anyway
 @itdoesntmatt [Thanks anyway], I'm sure someone would be willing to talk with you about it in the off topic OverFlow group.
 @Aury88 [<reply to media>], Is Mozilla officially supporting Firefox on Ubuntu Touch?
 No
 That'd be awesome tho :<
[16:54] <ubptgbot> wisdom221 was added by: wisdom221
 Hello. Could someone please give me a hint ?with VPN installation ? I am trying to install VPN using NordVPN ? I do have a (well many)  .ovpn files - but there doesn't seem to be the necessary information inside these files. I am using this tutorial: https://ubports.com/de_DE/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/using-vpn-in-ubuntu-touch-132 — the pro
[17:25] <ubptgbot> blem is there are only two sections with certificates in these .ovpn files.
 [Edit] Hello. Could someone please give me a hint with VPN installation ? I am trying to install VPN using NordVPN ? I do have a (well many)  .ovpn files - but there doesn't seem to be the necessary information inside these files. I am using this tutorial: https://ubports.com/de_DE/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/using-vpn-in-ubuntu-touch-132 — t
[17:25] <ubptgbot> he problem is there are only two sections with certificates in these .ovpn files.
[17:27] <ubptgbot> Boss237 was added by: Boss237
 Seems the "flatten all windows" quick fix for Libertine that was in today's RC is a double edged sword - things like open file dialogs are now getting rendered incorrectly often making them unusable - oh well.
 @TotalSonic [Seems the "flatten all windows" quick fix for Libertine that was in today's RC i …], running legacy apps on a phone is more like a double-edge and double-ended sword
 Yeah. Should really be run with external display, mouse, and keyboard. But even then many of the programs are too heavy for the phone processing power.
 @dohbee [running legacy apps on a phone is more like a double-edge and double-ended sword], yup - but the work I've seen for Pure OS, as well as previous versions of UT, seem to indicate that there is the potential to have these run more elegantly than the current state.  Sadly I am not someone capable of coding the needed fixes myself
[17:39] <ubptgbot> .
 @TotalSonic [yup - but the work I've seen for Pure OS, as well as previous versions of UT, se …], Purism is trying to make some gnome apps be more converged. that's not the same as straight up legacy apps
 but anyway
 @dohbee [Purism is trying to make some gnome apps be more converged. that's not the same …], some of their videos show what they state are unmodified apps - worth checking out if you have the time
 @TotalSonic [some of their videos show what they state are unmodified apps - worth checking o …], they are also just running wayland apps on wayland, so they don't have to worry about x11 integrations and such in that case
 @pjk2012 [Yeah. Should really be run with external display, mouse, and keyboard. But even …], yup - will test with all that later. The previous state might actually have been better for actually getting a task done
 @dohbee [they are also just running wayland apps on wayland, so they don't have to worry …], yup!
 You realize you're running apps on something they aren't designed to run on and it'll probably never make you happy, right?
 @dohbee have you tried running XWayland in not rootless mode?
 this way another window manager can be started inside it and it should work just fine with Unity8
 @UniversalSuperBox [You realize you're running apps on something they aren't designed to run on and …], Can we at least get them running as well as linux in virtualbox on pc?
 But that's what they're designed to do
 what about large screens, e. g. I should be able to experiment with PineTab for this - in theory it should play just fine as regular desktop
 @UniversalSuperBox [You realize you're running apps on something they aren't designed to run on and …], sure.  But when I find a rare desktop app that extends the capabilities my device has beyond what is available in UT native apps and webapps - I would like to retain those capabilities and not see them deprecated.  But I agree the ul
[17:52] <ubptgbot> timate better solution is better native apps.
 @NotKit [this way another window manager can be started inside it and it should work just …], I think the problems go beyond rootless vs rooted
 @NotKit [what about large screens, e. g. I should be able to experiment with PineTab for …], Yes, and you can enable desktop mode on there. Then you should be happy without `flatten`
 The switch should be in the Session indicator (the last one on the right)
 btw, does it currently start a separate Xmir instance for each app?
 I think so
 The problem is trying to mix floating and non-floating window types.
 Unity8 in desktop mode is a floating window manager. It's effectively tiled in staged mode, but it's not supposed to be tiled for non-touch uses.
 yes, each app is run under its own server (Xmir)
 I am wonderong whether any other Libertine users might agree with me that things run better dealing with multiple windows rather than the RC flatten all quick fix.
 [Edit] I am wondering whether any other Libertine users might agree with me that things run better dealing with multiple windows rather than the RC flatten all quick fix.
 Hmmm
 I can give you the counter argument. https://forums.ubports.com/post/22572
 some might, a lot won't
 @TotalSonic [I am wondering whether any other Libertine users might agree with me that things …], I installed Firefox and forgot to run flatten first. It was horrible, so I flattened right away.
 @pjk2012 [I installed Firefox and forgot to run flatten first. It was horrible, so I flatt …], Firefox runs slow as molasses either way
 @pjk2012 [I installed Firefox and forgot to run flatten first. It was horrible, so I flatt …], but you are correct - it does function better in current flattened mode
 @TotalSonic [Firefox runs slow as molasses either way], Right. The phones we have are not really powerful enough for major desktop applications.
 @pjk2012 [Right. The phones we have are not really powerful enough for major desktop appli …], actually they are plenty powerful to run say a text editor like medit - which I used to be able to open any file with - but now that functionality is broken on phone form factor
 the phones are powerful enough. the apps aren't converged enough
 I thougt the slow was due to lack of hardware accel for x apps
 [Edit] I thougt the slowness was due to lack of hardware accel for x apps
 that is part of it, yes
 Which is not trivial to fix
 few things are
 Anyway @dobey - I still want to thank you for making this quick fix - I appreciate your time coding even of it doesn't fix all things for everyone
 [Edit] Anyway @dohbee - I still want to thank you for making this quick fix - I appreciate your time coding even of it doesn't fix all things for everyone
 Hmm looks like my changes survived rc
 @TotalSonic [I am wondering whether any other Libertine users might agree with me that things …], I don't know. Using gimp was before a PIA and now its difficult to open the toolboxes so its still a bit PIA and useless. I hope there is a fix for this in the future. I appreciate all of the work being made
 @malditobastardo [I don't know. Using gimp was before a PIA and now its difficult to open the tool …], are you using it in single window mode?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Yes, and you can enable desktop mode on there. Then you should be happy without …], There is a switch to turn on/off this?
 No
 @dohbee [are you using it in single window mode?], Yes.
 @dohbee [are you using it in single window mode?], I've been using GIMP in multi-window mode (as I found it easier to use than in single window mode after testing with both) and now I can't access its main menu
 @dohbee [are you using it in single window mode?], [Edit] I've been using GIMP in multi-window mode (as I found it easier to use than in single window mode after testing with both) and now I can't access its main menu to be able to change to single window mode
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/yLM01JAc.mp4
 @dohbee [<reply to media>], lol - there's got to be some config file somwhere in the .local/Libertine container/gimp2 folder that could be edited to change this without accessing the gui - but I don't know which file would do it
 @TotalSonic [lol - there's got to be some config file somwhere in the .local/Libertine contai …], change `~/.gimp-2.8/sessionrc` the line of `(single-window-mode no)` to `yes` i guess
 @dohbee [change ~/.gimp-2.8/sessionrc the line of (single-window-mode no) to yes i guess], thanks!
 @TotalSonic [thanks!], thank `grep -r window | grep mode`
 @dohbee [thank grep -r window | grep mode], hmmm - still comes up with the incorrect window as the sole one - seems I might have to edit a bit more deeply - thanks for the advice though
 try not to break anything :)