[00:00] <gimpnixon> I have two systems. ones a desktop ones a laptop. On the desktop I have successful installed with no issue wine-stable v3.0. this pulled in only wine-stable v3.0. I need v3.0 because for some reason the application I am trying to run does not work on v4.0.2-1. When i try to install wine-stable on my laptop, it manditorily forces me to also install wine v4.0.2-1 wine64 v4.0.2-1 along with wine-stable
[00:00] <gimpnixon> v3.0, going without saying having wine 4.0.2-1 and wine-stable v3.0 installed together causes conflicts and leads also to the application I am trying to run not working. So is there a way to force ubuntu to only install wine-stable v3 and not wine v4 and wine64 v4 along with it? for some reason this "just worked" on my desktop. but is not working on the laptop. both are esentially the same install. and
[00:00] <gimpnixon> both were manually upgraded at the same time from 18.04 to 18.10 to 19.04 to 19.10.
[00:04] <akemlenovo> gimpnixon, What if you try to manually uninstall just the 4.0?
[00:07] <gimpnixon> akemlenovo, you mean 3.0? Like with a ppa, or a deb package??
[00:07] <gimpnixon> That is a possibility i have not tried yet, i was honestly hoping to find a solution that allowed me to stick soley with apt package manager.
[00:07] <nt0> anybody in channel able to speak to how well ubuntu 19.04 works on dell 9560 laptops?  mostly concerned with nvidia-prime, but all info is welcome.  websearch turns up few and conflicting results.
[00:08] <akemlenovo> gimpnixon, on my Ubuntu 18.04 i have only 1 wine-stable and it's 3.0-1
[00:08] <gimpnixon> akemlenovo, Yes, I'm running 19.10. but i've taken this question to #ubuntu+1 and it's its a total ghost town, i havent got a reply form anyone in three days
[00:09] <akemlenovo> gimpnixon, You said you wanted to keep only the v 3.0 because your app works with this one only?
[00:09] <akemlenovo> gimpnixon, Ha ok.
[00:10] <akemlenovo> gimpnixon, try this: dpkg --get-selections | grep -i wine-stable
[00:10] <gimpnixon> It came back with nothing at all
[00:11] <akemlenovo> gimpnixon, did you copy pasted it? no mistake?
[00:11] <akemlenovo> You should have at least one entry.
[00:12] <gimpnixon> the major confusion to me is how the desktop installed wine-stable just fine. and he laptop wants to draw in v 4.0.2-1. I figured apt would realize the version differences and want to omit or remove the other version
[00:13] <gimpnixon> akemlenovo: https://ibb.co/xSBv4jp
[00:13] <gimpnixon> look
[00:14] <gimpnixon> no entry
[00:14] <akemlenovo> gimpnixon, try with just "wine" instead then.
[00:15] <akemlenovo> Instead of "wine-stable".
[00:15] <gimpnixon> Still nothing
[00:16] <sarnold> .. does this mean you have no wine packages at all installed?
[00:16] <akemlenovo> gimpnixon, well... try: apt-get install wine-stable
[00:17] <gimpnixon> as mentioned, I have. and when i do this it trys to install wine v4.0.2-1 and wine64 v4.0.2-1 and wine-stable v3.0 all three at the same time
[00:17] <gimpnixon> all of them all together
[00:18] <gimpnixon> regardless of the conflicting versions
[00:18] <gimpnixon> sarnold, this ma. i do have no wine packages installed at al
[00:18] <gimpnixon> may*
[00:19] <sarnold> can you pastebin the whole output froem the apt-get install wine-stable?
[00:19] <gimpnixon> I can again yes.
[00:20] <gimpnixon> https://pastebin.com/Qn47Ycts
[00:21] <gimpnixon> I have never experienced a time when apt would try to install conflicting packages ontop of eachother
[00:22] <gimpnixon> so is why my mind is boggled right now. I've ran dev branch as soon as they are available and this has been one of the first times that i'm just totally stumped
[00:22] <akemlenovo> Yeah, looks like a conflict in versions.
[00:23] <gimpnixon> sine like ubuntu 14
[00:23] <gimpnixon> i've been run dev branch. and this is a first
[00:23] <gimpnixon> The thing is, The desktop machine does not have this behavior
[00:24] <gimpnixon> Only the laptop. both 19.10
[00:25] <akemlenovo> Maybe there was an update in between, which would explain the version 3.0 on your desktop.
[00:25] <akemlenovo> And the wine-stable package wasn't updated for some reason :/
[00:26] <gimpnixon> version 3.0 should be avalable to me, since its the stable version,
[00:26] <gimpnixon> Even in dev branch you still get stable version of packages, but you also get the new packages as well.
[00:26] <gimpnixon> akemlenovo, yeah i have no idea. its a noggin scratcher
[00:27] <akemlenovo> gimpnixon, I see, i don't know how to solve this either, sorry.
[00:27] <gimpnixon> I thank you guys for your help, I'll keep messing with it. and see waht i can come up with yet. I dont think anything has stumped me forever yet. so It'll either work itself out of I'll get soemthing going.
[00:29] <gimpnixon> The only thing i have different is the sources on the two machines. but I wouldnt think that this would effect the process apt uses to fetch packages
[00:29] <gimpnixon> I'm going to try to set the laptop back to the other sources and see if that has any effect
[00:29] <sarnold> gimpnixon: what does apt-cache show wine-stable | grep Filename: report?
[00:29] <gimpnixon> I switched sources to a different one of the laptop because it was closer
[00:30] <gimpnixon> Filename: pool/universe/w/wine1.6/wine-stable_3.0.1ubuntu1_all.deb
[00:31] <gimpnixon> Stepping away for a couple mins, be back
[00:33] <sarnold> gimpnixon: sooooo.. this wine-stable package exists *only* to install the newer wine package from the wine source package, rather than the wine1.6 package: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.6/1:3.0.1ubuntu1
[00:34] <alexandrdvorkin> hi
[00:35] <gimpnixon> sarnald, so you're telling me 'it's a feature" ?
[00:35] <alexandrdvorkin> can someone tell me why the command sudo dd if=/users/alexandrdvorkin/Downloads/ubuntu-18.04.3-desktop-amd64.dmg of=/dev/rdisk3s2 doesn't not write Ubuntu to my flash drive
[00:36] <alexandrdvorkin> i partitioned it MS-DOS FAT
[00:36] <gimpnixon> sarnold, The weird thing Is that , on my desktop this did not happen, it installed wine-stable alone.
[00:37] <gimpnixon> sarnold, that is an interesting find, thank you
[00:37] <alexandrdvorkin> it doesn't work with Journalized partition either BUT IT WORKED   BEFORE i am on Mac
[00:38] <alexandrdvorkin> it takes the command but all i see is the great rectangle
[00:39] <sarnold> alexandrdvorkin: what's /dev/rdisk3s2?
[00:40] <sarnold> gimpnixon: and you're sure your desktop isn't pre-disco?
[00:40] <alexandrdvorkin> its the usb flashdrive which is disk 3 but then it has the UNTITILED partition underneath it which disk3s2
[00:42] <sarnold> alexandrdvorkin: and why did you write it to a partition rather than just overwriting the whole thing?
[00:43] <alexandrdvorkin> i am trying now to /dev/rdisk3 it returns Resource busy
[00:43] <alexandrdvorkin> i did before it worked from some 3rd time
[00:43] <sarnold> you may need to umount any filesystems..
[00:45] <mvcggsql> hey guys, having trouble seeing if there is a package for php 7.2.22 for ubuntu that addresses recent security bugs.  Has anyone dealt with this yet?
[00:45] <alexandrdvorkin> ok unmounted
[00:46] <alexandrdvorkin> do i write the .dmg or .iso
[00:47] <sarnold> mvcggsql: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php7.2.html
[00:48] <gimpnixon> sarnold, both systems were pre-disco
[00:49] <alexandrdvorkin> so either is ok
[00:50] <mvcggsql> sarnold, thank you.  My version of ubuntu is listed as DNE, i'm not sure what that stands for though
[00:51] <sarnold> mvcggsql: that means php 7.2 wasn't packaged for that specific release
[00:51] <sarnold> gimpnixon: aha, this change of wine-stable as a transdition package was introduced in disco
[00:52] <gimpnixon> sarnold, they both have been up with consistent updates together since 17.10 Artful Ardvark
[00:52] <mvcggsql> sarnold, thanks again. I had actually looked at the wrong php version.  So if it is released and I have run apt-get update & upgrade I guess I should have it
[00:53] <sarnold> mvcggsql: which ubuntu release do you have?
[00:53] <gimpnixon> sarnold, i see waht you're saying now though
[00:54] <mvcggsql> sarnold, 18.04.3 LTS
[00:54] <gimpnixon> sarnold, wine-stable is listed as a transitional package on the laptop but not the desktop
[00:54] <gimpnixon> sarnold so that would explain the behavior
[00:55] <mvcggsql> php -v indicates version PHP 7.2.19-0ubuntu0.18.04.2
[00:55] <sarnold> mvcggsql: hmm, apt-cache show php shows that it brings in php7.2..
[00:55] <mvcggsql> I was concerned by 7.2.19 being below 7.2.22, but perhaps the -0ubuntu0.18.04.2 means its updated/secure
[00:55] <gimpnixon> sarnold, so i guess the only option would be to get a .deb of wine v3 like akemlonovo mentioned earlier
[00:56] <sarnold> worth a try
[00:56] <sarnold> or run an old release in a VM
[00:56] <gimpnixon> I'll prbably just wait for it to work itself out I guess. the application i'm trying to run is for pleasure, not business so it's not super pressing.
[00:58] <mvcggsql> sarnold, php -v appears to show the same version number as on the link you provided.  I guess that means i'm running the updated release.  Thanks for you help.
[00:58] <CoolerX> is filezilla ok to use?
[00:58] <CoolerX> I need to share files between ubuntu hosts and windows hosts
[00:59] <CoolerX> using a gui interface preferably
[00:59] <CoolerX> browse files, copy and move files back and forth
[00:59] <CoolerX> the ubuntu hosts have ssh daemon running
[01:09] <leftyfb> CoolerX: try it
[02:07] <cuddylier> Anyone know if repos exist for older versions of Ubuntu 16.04? E.g. 16.04.2. I can't seem to find one, I just find the general latest Ubuntu 16.04 repo.
[02:08] <sarnold> cuddylier: what are you trying to do?
[02:08] <cuddylier> Trying to install Ubuntu 16.04.2 via PXE
[02:08] <cuddylier> It's not something I usually try and do but I have to in this specific case.
[02:10] <sarnold> cuddylier: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04.2/
[02:10] <cuddylier> Yeah, that's just the ISO though, right?
[02:11] <sarnold> you can hit the "don't install updates during install" to keep all the packages from the iso and not install security updates and bug fixes if that's what you need
[02:11] <cuddylier> I'm trying to find a way to install via PXE though which usually uses the repo for the install process e.g. latest Ubuntu 16.04 installs use http://mirrors.rit.edu/ubuntu/ in my specific case for example.
[02:12] <cuddylier> Which is just the latest repos
[02:12] <cuddylier> So I need to replicate that essentially but for 16.04.2
[02:12] <OerHeks> that is all, there are no in-between repos
[02:12] <cuddylier> Ah :(
[02:13] <leftyfb> cuddylier: why?
[02:13] <cuddylier> Why to what specifically?
[02:13] <sarnold> the dot releases just used whatever HWE kernel was current at the time, whatever updated packages were fixed at the time..
[02:13] <leftyfb> cuddylier: what exactly do you need from 16.04.2?
[02:13] <cuddylier> I have a specific application that doesn't work with later than 16.04.2
[02:13] <leftyfb> cuddylier: what aspect of it?
[02:13] <sarnold> but *why* :)
[02:13] <leftyfb> cuddylier: which application?
[02:13] <cuddylier> I don't know that much unfortunately, possibly the kernel if that's the only difference between the difference 16.04 versions.
[02:14] <leftyfb> cuddylier: you should narrow down exactly what isn't compatible
[02:14] <leftyfb> cuddylier: reverting to previous kernels is fairly easy
[02:14] <sarnold> if that's the case then you can probably just select the original 16.04 LTS release kernel and skip the HWE kernel
[02:15] <cuddylier> My issue with PXE is that it gets all the necessary files from the repo, it doesn't use an ISO.
[02:15] <cuddylier> I know I can do the install manually via ISO without an issue, I want to avoid that though.
[02:16] <leftyfb> cuddylier: first, it could. 2nd, you could tell your pxe preseed/kickstart to install/remove whatever kernel you want
[02:16] <cuddylier> If I changed the kernel, that wouldn't change the system Ubuntu version though, right?
[02:17] <leftyfb> correct
[02:17] <cuddylier> Hmm, I guess manual install then is the only way for now then if I'm not wanting to go into looking into manually changing the kernel :(
[02:17] <cuddylier> Thanks for the help anyway.
[02:17] <leftyfb> figuring out where the incompatibility should be your step #1
[02:18] <cuddylier> Yeah, if this was my whole project then I personally would but I'm simply tasked with installing Ubuntu 16.04.2 and that's it sadly.
[02:20] <leftyfb> sounds pretty ignorant to me
[02:21] <cuddylier> Yeah, just gotta work with what I have sadly.
[02:26] <sarnold> cuddylier: hopefully this can help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[02:27] <cuddylier> Thanks
[02:27] <sarnold> cuddylier: note that the 16.04 release kernel is supported for the lifetime of 16.04. the 16.04.2 HWE kernel hasn't been supported for a while. if you're going to use the HWE kernels then you should keep up with those -- if you're using the release kernel, you can stick on that kernel for ever..
[02:27] <sarnold> cuddylier: and you can swap between the two with a handful of apt-get install ... commands. they aren't great fun to re-invent every time :) I should really do that again some time and write them into the wiki...
[02:28] <sarnold> cuddylier: but hopefully that'll be enough to get you going
[02:28] <cuddylier> :)
[02:57] <sharpie> it seems that apparmor does not allow unbound to write to another file than /var/log/syslog is this the expected behavior?
[02:59] <Whiskey`> Hellos. I am doing a mini.iso install of 18.04 on a xcp host and it acted frozen. checking the resources, the installer ramped up to 16gb and seems to be pegged there.
[02:59] <coffeecow> I'm using Disco Dingo and I can connect to bluetooth speakers and use the speaker test thingy to hear left and right on my bt speakers, but if I actually use winamp or rhythmbox it plays on my laptop speakers..?
[03:29] <Lantorax> coffeecow: if you have a volume icon on your task bar, click that, go to audio mixer, and be sure that the output device for those applications is the bluetooth speaker
[03:33] <destinydriven> Hmm, is anyone currently able to successfully run sudo apt update?
[03:35] <tieinv> sudo apt update works here
[03:36] <destinydriven> @tieinv that's weird.  Doesn't work for two local machines and one remote based in NJ
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | destinydriven
[03:36] <destinydriven> Oh it's working now
[03:37] <destinydriven> Wasn't working for the past 10 minutes
[03:37] <destinydriven> I was getting this error: /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.30: symbol _idn2_punycode_decode version IDN2_0.0.0 not defined in file libidn2.so.0 with link time reference
[06:33] <nugroho> Ubuntu IBM ThinkPad 5.10 breezy badger
[07:16] <Sven_vB> when I use my bionic live session to mount a LUKS LVM with xenial as /target, can I actually pretend to be a bootloader and hand over to the xenial kernel in the LVM?
[07:22] <Sven_vB> oh I guess what I mean is switch_root and that one probably can't load another kernel.
[07:22] <Sven_vB> should it work if I use a xenial live session instead and keep its kernel? could I safely unplug the live CD thumbdrive then?
[08:17] <Qinglan> Hello everyone
[08:17] <Qinglan> I'm looking for help about elf loader.
[08:18] <Qinglan> I'm Chinese.My English may have a lot of error.
[08:18] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: you could kexec the other kernel (or grub, i guess), but i have no experience to share with this.
[08:19] <tomreyn> Qinglan: hi, and welcome to ubuntu support. what's your ubuntu support question? which ubuntu version does it refer to?
[08:20] <Qinglan> My ubuntu ver is 16.04LTS
[08:20] <sub526> Hi All, I'm having an Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS machine. I enabled the kernel crashdump(sudo apt install linux-crashdump) and tried to test it by issuing the command echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger, but nothing saved to /var/crash.. how to debug this further, any help is greatly appreciated.
[08:20] <Qinglan> I want to execute the following command:
[08:20] <Qinglan> sudo /etc/init.d/sys5_idl_lmgrd start
[08:21] <Qinglan> but there is an error
[08:21] <Qinglan> /usr/local/exelis/idl83/bin/lmgrd: 459: exec: /usr/local/exelis/idl83/bin/bin.linux.x86_64/lmgrd: not found
[08:22] <tomreyn> Qinglan: software in /usr/local/ is not part of ubuntu, thus not supported here. i suggest you seek help from the developers / via their support channels
[08:22] <Qinglan> I'm sure that there is the right file lmgrd at /usr/local/exelis/idl83/bin/bin.linux.x86_64
[08:25] <macroprep> how do i aquire the linux kernel sources, as i tried sudo apt install linux-source-5.0.0 but i cant seem to find the source for the kernel itself in /usr/src/
[08:25] <tomreyn> sub526: did you reboot after installing linux-crashdump?
[08:25] <Qinglan> tomreyn: OK.This is the first time for me using IRC
[08:26] <tomreyn> sub526: ..and before triggering the kernel crash?
[08:26] <Qinglan> tomreyn: Thanks for your time.
[08:26] <tomreyn> Qinglan: you're welcome. good luck!
[08:28] <sub526> tomreyn: Yes, rebooted after installation. dmesg log has "Reserving 128MB of memory at 752MB for crashkernel (System RAM: 3987MB)"
[08:31] <tomreyn> sub526: /etc/default/kdump-tools should define where the crash dump is stored
[08:32] <tomreyn> also see https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/kernel-crash-dump.html#verification
[08:33] <TJ-> macroprep: linux-source Depends: on the actual version, e.g. linux-source-4.15.0, which in turn installs to /usr/src/linux-source-4.15.0/
[08:34] <TJ-> macroprep: if the package was installed, check where it installed files, with "dpkg -L linux-source-5.0.0"
[08:36] <sub526> tomreyn: kdump-tools has KDUMP_COREDIR="/var/crash", but nothing saved in /var/crash after simulating the kernel crash (i followed the steps https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/kernel-crash-dump.html#verification)
[08:41] <macroprep> TJ-: i know
[08:44] <TJ-> sub526: do you see "Begin: Saving vmcore from kernel crash " in the dmesg after the reboot?
[08:46] <macroprep> brothercomplex@Anime-X555BA:~$ apt-get source linux-kernel Reading package lists... Done E: Unable to find a source package for linux-kernel brothercomplex@Anime-X555BA:~$ apt-get source linux-kernel-5.0.0 Reading package lists... Done E: Unable to find a source package for linux-kernel-5.0.0
[08:50] <TJ-> macroprep: do you have all the deb-src entries required in APT's sources.list{,.d/*/list} for the archive components those packages are in?
[08:51] <tomreyn> sub526: hmm, i don't know then. i can try to test it on a VM in a bit.
[08:52] <TJ-> macroprep: the parent source package is/should be linux-meta
[10:38] <Onepamopa> has somoeone rebooted a server w/o any space left on / ?
[10:41] <EriC^^> Onepamopa: did you try to use autoremove --purge to remove some stuff?
[10:42] <Onepamopa> it's a citrix xen installation, only 10G in /, tried to delete what I could but it filled up fast, now I can't figure out what's filling it and if I would be able to reboot successfully ..
[10:43] <EriC^^> Onepamopa: try "sudo du -sh /*" to see where the space is
[10:43] <EriC^^> Onepamopa: or if you can manage to install ncdu, that would be helpful
[10:45] <TJ-> Onepamopa: /var/log/  /var/cache/ /tmp/ are likely candidates
[10:55] <Onepamopa> EriC^^, TJ- nop, there weren't any candiadates, I killed 3 running tapdisk processes and whoa, 7.7G free
[10:57] <tomreyn> Onepamopa: make sure your xenserver is up to date, there were a lot of issues with tapdisk in the past.
[10:58] <Onepamopa> mine is quite an old version - 6.5
[11:00] <tomreyn> i don't think that's supported anymore, but you'll better check with their support channels
[11:02] <tomreyn> eol was 26-Jun-18 according to https://www.citrix.com/support/product-lifecycle/legacy-product-matrix.html
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:20] <asumo> i am using ubuntu 16.04 lts, i turn off my internal mic from alsamixer on the terminal and for some reason it turns back on sporadically
[11:21] <asumo> other than physically removing the mic from my laptop is there a way to permanently turn off the mic?
[11:24] <asumo> any experts kind enough to give me some advice?
[11:24] <asumo> any help is appreciated
[11:24] <BluesKaj> asumo, did you mute it (MM)?
[11:25] <asumo> ive muted it and turned it off on alsamixer
[11:25] <asumo> turned the levels all the way down, guess it is muting it
[11:26] <asumo> the thing is even if i unmute it in teh sound settings the mic does not work, it turns on from the alsamixer
[11:26] <asumo> i just want to know why the alsamixer or ubuntu turns the mic back on
[11:26] <asumo> even though it is muted in teh sound settings
[11:28] <asumo> my webcam does not do it, i turned it and its modules off pre boot with modprobe
[11:28] <BluesKaj> asumo, after muting it , run sudo alsactl store
[11:29] <asumo> BluesKaj: what does that command perform?
[11:29] <asumo> thanks for the advice
[11:30] <BluesKaj> it saves your alsamixer settings
[11:30] <asumo> i just realized that
[11:30] <asumo> perfect solution
[11:30] <asumo> thank you my friend
[11:31] <asumo> BluesKaj: so it is a startup issue then huh?
[11:31] <asumo> the settings do not stay after reboot?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> sometimes after an upgrade you may have to reset alsmixer
[11:32] <BluesKaj> a reboot should not change the settings
[11:32] <asumo> i thought the same
[11:32] <asumo> thank you
[11:32] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:32] <asumo> have a good one guys :)
[11:42] <markweston> I did a do-release-upgrade from 18.04 to 19.04 and now gnome is broken
[11:42] <markweston> error while loading shared libraries: libsoup-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file
[11:43] <vlt> markweston: Did you skip 18.10?
[11:44] <markweston> yes
[11:44] <markweston> I mean do-release-upgrade skipped it for me
[11:44] <vlt> markweston: (If they didn't change that) you have to
[11:44] <vlt> markweston: Hmm, then I don't know.
[11:46] <markweston> this is the output of 'ldd $(which gnome-control-center)': https://termbin.com/03cze
[11:47] <markweston> as you can see there are multiple versions of libsoup-2.4 required and all of them are missing despite the package being installed
[11:48] <markweston> I found this command written in 2008 that reinstalls all the packages: for pkg in `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' | egrep -v '(dpkg|apt|mysql|mythtv)'` ; do apt-get -y --force-yes install --reinstall $pkg ; done
[11:48] <markweston> should I try it?
[11:53] <markweston> here's the problem, I think: libsoup2.4-dev is already the newest version (2.66.1-1).
[11:56] <ioria> markweston, paste  dpkg -l | grep libsoup
[11:57] <Flexman> hi
[11:57] <Flexman> the lubuntu task bar sometimes disappears after a restart or takes place on the other end of the screen etc.
[11:57] <Flexman> how can i get this more stable?
[11:58] <markweston> ioria: here you go: https://termbin.com/cbtn
[12:02] <ioria> markweston, ldd  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsoup-2.4.so.1.8.0 |awk '{print $1}' | xargs dpkg -S| cut -d ':' -f1 | xargs dpkg -l
[12:07] <markweston> looks like reinstalling libsoup and libsoup-gnome fixed, i'll check after reboot
[12:52] <arinov> transfering file from phone via bluetooth is pain
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> !info blueman | arinov try this
[12:53] <arinov> lotuspsychje: is it makes my tranfers from phone better?
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> arinov: blueman is a package, handy to use for bluetooth
[12:55] <MJCDawy> Why can't I select text in the cli/tty's ?
[12:55] <MJCDawy> using shift+home
[12:55] <MJCDawy> or other key combos
[12:56] <pragmaticenigma> arinov: It would help if you would provide a better explanation of what you're experiencing. Without stating what exactly is happening, the best volunteers here can do is offer a few tools that may help, but may not help as well.
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> MJCDawy: That is a feature that has never been available. You can use other tools within a TTY session that offer that functionality, such as "screen" and "gpm"
[12:58] <arinov> i am selecting some pictures in my phone default file browser and i am trying to transfer it to my u18 laptop, it works after 3-5 tryes with 2-3 bluetooth service restart actions
[12:59] <pragmaticenigma> arinov: Perhaps use a USB cable instead?
[12:59] <arinov> the device was paired and the other computers works with it just fine
[13:00] <MJCDawy> pragmaticenigma, but why would it never be available
[13:00] <MJCDawy> it's like
[13:00] <MJCDawy> extremely basic surely
[13:00] <MJCDawy> in terms of usability of a shell
[13:00] <arinov> pragmaticenigma: so i need a usb cable to make bluetooth work fine or what?
[13:00] <MJCDawy> even hitting down I dont get an empty line
[13:00] <MJCDawy> so I have to hold down backspace
[13:00] <MJCDawy> like an ape ?
[13:01] <MJCDawy> I know I can get mouse support with xorg but xorg is the last thing I want
[13:02] <MJCDawy> and even then I have to use a mouse to do the select
[13:02] <MJCDawy> and dont even think I can just start typing over
[13:02] <MJCDawy> it's only for copy and paste I believe
[13:02] <MJCDawy> like...
[13:02] <MJCDawy> it's 2019
[13:02] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | MJCDawy
[13:02] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | MJCDawy
[13:02] <MJCDawy> are we just going to use the same cli forever
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> MJCDawy: this isnt the complaints channel
[13:02] <MJCDawy> the same one that they had when they were making linux
[13:03] <pragmaticenigma> MJCDawy: You've moved into an offtopic discussion now, please visit #ubuntu-offtopic if you would like to continue.
[13:03] <MJCDawy> lotuspsychje, it's an observation that it's really, really weird to just disregard features of near every device linux/ubuntu are used on
[13:03] <MJCDawy> ubuntu is meant to be the UX centric distro
[13:03] <MJCDawy> so to me the above apathy is directly conflicting with that goal
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> MJCDawy: and it doesnt fit in this channel, drop it please
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> MJCDawy: only ubuntu support questions here
[13:04] <MJCDawy> "how to get mouse support in cli"
[13:04] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | MJCDawy is offtopic
[13:04] <MJCDawy> -_-
[13:04] <MJCDawy> lotuspsychje, to append to this concise question; "without xorg"
[13:06] <Cheez> MJCDawy: gpm should do that.
[13:06] <Cheez> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/gpm.8.html
[13:06] <MJCDawy> Cheez, do I need to use something other than bash with that?
[13:06] <pragmaticenigma> MJCDawy: I told you at the beginning how to get the feature you desired. And literally is the first result when searched for: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=mouse+support+in+tty
[13:07] <MJCDawy> pragmaticenigma, you seem frustrated, but i'm not biting. Have a wonderful day /ignore
[13:08] <chymera> hi guys, I am having issues with skypeforlinux (reinstalled it and restarted the machine). When I click the icon or execute it from the CLI, it fails to start with no error message... any idea what's wrong?
[13:08] <Cheez> MJCDawy: i just created a machine and tried it and it seems to work out of the box quite nicely
[13:08] <MJCDawy> Cheez, yeah this looks perfect, thanks heaps.
[13:09] <MJCDawy> Do you/anyone know about pressing down and getting a new line at the end of the command buffer ?
[13:09] <MJCDawy> that too is my only other major usability problem
[13:09] <pragmaticenigma> chymera: are you using the Snap version or the package from apt?
[13:18] <chymera> Version 8.51.0.92 ... I appears this probelem was also known in other versions https://askubuntu.com/questions/994522/skypeforlinux-8-13-0-2-still-fails-to-start-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> chymera: the version number doesn't tell me the source of how you installed Skype. Also, the link you posted is from Ubuntu 14.04 which is really outdated.
[13:30] <logikos> I need help troubleshooting a permissions issue.  my box is running ubuntu with a user logikos with userid 1000 .. also group logikos with gid 1000 ... www-data is another user with id 33
[13:31] <logikos> I have a docker container with www-data user with user id 33 ... and a mounted volume from host .. which has dir's chmod to 775
[13:31] <logikos> on host www-data is in logikos group and logikos is in www-data group
[13:32] <logikos> in container user 1000 does not exist, so I ssh into it and create a user with id 1000, then put that user in www-data  group and put www-data in it's group
[13:32] <logikos> yet a php process running as user www-data can not write in the dir
[13:32] <logikos> within the container
[13:33] <logikos> the container is also ubuntu
[13:37] <SorcererBoom> hey how does ubuntu get that custom gnome terminal look?
[13:37] <SorcererBoom> what packages does ubuntu include?
[13:38] <arunpyasi> @sajoupa, I am having a hash mismatch from security for bionic
[14:17] <logikos> anyone know to change apache to use uid0 instead of uid33 ..
[14:20] <pomeha> hello, I'm using chromium and I need flash plugin, how to install it?
[14:20] <pomeha> I've installed 'pepperflashplugin-nonfree' package and restarted chromium - it didn't work
[14:27] <ioria> pomeha, remove that; enable Canonical Partner; apt update; install adobe-flashplugin
[14:27] <pomeha> ioria: thanks!
[14:27] <iffraff> Hi, I have a large screen.  some of my applications, when I start them up seem to know where to position themselves and at what size, and other do not. e.g. chrome will always pile up the browsers on whatever is the main monitor, where as slack and rubymine are in the right spot at the right size.  Is this configurable?
[14:27] <ioria> ok
[14:28] <bane> Anyone know if it's possible to take a folder containing some files and turn it into a mountable .img?
[14:28] <pomeha> bane: snap somehow does that
[14:28] <pomeha> well, they do the opposite, actually
[14:28] <bane> xD
[14:29] <bane> I'm trying to install some drivers on a system that i'm accessing via kvm, unfortunately only allows you the mount isos or image file
[14:29] <bane> so i'm wondering if i can pacckage the drivers into an iso or img
[14:32] <Habbie> bane, mkisofs is pretty easy to use, in my distant recollection
[14:32] <bane> Habbie, thanks! I'll look into that
[14:33] <Habbie> but, if the kvm is not too picky
[14:33] <Habbie> you could also just make a tar
[14:33] <Habbie> 'mount' that in the kvm
[14:33] <Habbie> and unpack from /dev/sdX :)
[14:33] <bane> hmmm
[14:34] <bane> that's a great idea
[14:34] <bane> i'll try that as well
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: Apache should never run as root
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: Also, questions regarding containers should be sent to forums dedicated to the container program that you are using. I.E. Docker based instances should be directed at the Docker community
[14:39] <mgedmin> logikos: for running inside docker?  I think you need to change APACHE_RUN_USER/APACHE_RUN_GROUP in /etc/apache2/envvars
[14:39] <logikos> pragmaticenigma: i understand, and I'm asking in several different channels as there are several different services involved
[14:40] <mgedmin> assuming your docker container is based on ubuntu (or debian)
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> logikos: Please don't cross post... Anything to do with a docker container should be directed towards the developer of the docker container or the docker community. The setup of apache within the docker container will not match the documentation that UBuntu provides for it's packaging of Apache, volunteers here may not provide you with the most accurate information.
[14:46] <logikos> pragmaticenigma: I was posting in #docker until this issue, which seemed to be distro specific so I came here, relax man
[14:46] <zamba> are there any fundamental differences between ubuntu minimal and ubuntu desktop?
[14:46] <iffraff> I have found an app called devilspie which I think can help me with my window placement.  Has anybody any experience with this?
[14:46] <zamba> meaning: can you install packages on ubuntu minimal to get it up to a standard ubuntu desktop?
[14:46] <logikos> the ppl in #docker told me to ask here lol
[14:47] <Habbie> zamba, yes, you can
[14:47] <zamba> Habbie: is the kernel different?
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> logikos: we handle ubuntu issues here
[14:48] <Habbie> zamba, oh, i'm not sure if there are different default kernels for the two, but all kernels are available in apt-get
[14:52] <doug16k> bane, genisoimage is the almost identical to mkisofs, and exists in the ubuntu package manager
[14:53] <doug16k> so identical they are practically interchangeable
[14:55] <Habbie> ah, nice
[14:58] <bane> gotcha
[14:58] <bane> thanks guys
[15:13] <iffraff> Hi, when I boot my machine I get a grub window that give me 3 options, something like boot normally,  boot in rescue, and somethign else.  standard sutff. However, if have a usb-a device plugged into the computer that screen freezes.  is this something someone can help me with ?
[15:14] <mgedmin> apt has a nice progress bar
[15:15] <mgedmin> so why doesn't do-release-upgrade enable it???
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | mgedmin
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> iffraff: It is best not to boot a machine with removable storage devices attached, unless you're intending to boot from that device
[15:19] <tomreyn> iffraff: or you can reconfigure your bios not to boot off the usb
[15:19] <mgedmin> iffraff: it sounds like a bios problem; have you checked the bios setup for boot device priority settings?
[15:19] <mgedmin> I've a similar problem where my home "server" fails to boot (doesn't even get to the grub menu) if the external usb hdd is plugged in
[15:20] <mgedmin> unfortunately it seems to be a bios bug because no amount of boot device selection settings fixes it
[15:20] <mgedmin> no unattended-upgrade reboots for me
[15:20] <lordcirth_> It's surprising how often BIOS has bugs.
[15:21] <iffraff> Hi, well, it's not a storage device actually, it's any device, I have a hub with some peripherals on it, no storage though.  I feel like I checked bios but I'll check again
[15:21] <leftyfb> iffraff: tried one of the peripherals without the hub?
[15:27] <iffraff> leftyfb: yes actually I have, I think it was the logitech wireless mouse thing.  same result
[15:27] <zamba> i'm experiencing extreme stuttering on my ubuntu installation
[15:27] <zamba> it seems like there's a "pulse" every second or so
[15:27] <lordcirth_> iffraff, have you looked for bios updates from the manufacturer?
[15:28] <lordcirth_> zamba, What Ubuntu version? What graphics card and driver?
[15:29] <B|ack0p> hi. can i install Ubuntu 18.04 - 64bit inside SD card?
[15:31] <lordcirth_> B|ack0p, yes, but it will be quite slow
[15:31] <SirScott> trying to create a python virtualenv on a live 19.04 desktop.  apt install python3-venv --> Package python3-venv is not available, but is referred to by another package.  Yes, i have done 'apt update'.  What am I missing?
[15:32] <B|ack0p> lordcirth_: thx..
[15:32] <zamba> lordcirth_: i'm working on that, give me a second
[15:32] <B|ack0p> so sd cards still slow..
[15:32] <iffraff> lordcirth_: I have never done a bios update.  frankly scares the crap out of me.  how do you do that?
[15:32] <frib> is anyone able to help me troubleshoot my audio? I really need it and I have no idea what to do.. The ONLY audio I have is those pops you hear when you change the volume. (Strange) It used to be ONLY the speaker test that I could hear (Even stranger). What is going on?! Thanks
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> B|ack0p: You could, but it wouldn't perform very well. It would be the same process as making a USB drive. The computer's BIOS/Firmware does need to support booting from SD cards too
[15:33] <lordcirth_> iffraff, firstly, only do it if the manufacturer's update says that it fixes your issue. Secondly, follow the instructions on the manufacturer's page, if they have Linux (or generic) instructions.
[15:34] <iffraff> k, but I think I'll use this as a last resort.
[15:34] <mgedmin> SirScott: did you run sudo apt update?
[15:34] <mgedmin> iirc you need to do that before apt install anything-at-all will start working in a live session
[15:34] <B|ack0p> pragmaticenigma: well i tried once i couldnt install inside SD card. if it will be very slow then no need to try again.. i was considering to extend my actual space
[15:35] <iffraff> has anyone used devilspie for window placement? ( i have two issues :) )
[15:37] <SirScott> mgedmin: yes
[15:38] <mgedmin> and apt install python3-venv still fails?  weird; what apt mirrors are you using?
[15:40] <SirScott> mgedmin: https://bpaste.net/show/R38k
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | frib
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> SirScott: try "apt install python3-defaults"
[15:41] <frib> pragmaticenigma, you mean from when I asked the other day?
[15:41] <mgedmin> SirScott: most likely /etc/apt/sources.list only enables the 'main' component; python3-venv is from universe
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> frib: Sorry... I was scrolled up and thought you had repeated
[15:42] <frib> pragmaticenigma, no, but no problem
[15:44] <SirScott> mgedmin: mgedmin: success, thanks a lot!
[15:54] <mgedmin> wheee another failed upgrade, how fun
[16:02] <mgedmin> looks like my own fault, in a sense: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates/+bug/1843607/comments/2
[16:08] <zamba> lordcirth_: lspci shows 5b:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP108 [GeForce GT 1030] (rev a1)
[16:09] <zamba> lordcirth_: kernel driver in use: <nvidia>
[16:11] <tomreyn> zamba: and your ubuntu version is?   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[16:14] <zamba> tomreyn: the system is not able to connect to the internet, so that command won't work
[16:14] <zamba> it's 10.04.3 LTS
[16:14] <zamba> ubuntu:GNOME and x11
[16:15] <zamba> Linux version 4.15.0-62-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-024) (gcc version 7.4.0 (Ubuntu 7.4.0-1ubuntu1~18.04.1)) #69-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 4 20:55:53 UTC 2019 | BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-62-generic root=/dev/mapper/vgroot-lvroot ro
[16:15] <zamba> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1105528/ubuntu-18-04-video-stutters-every-second-regularly-with-nvidia-gpu
[16:15] <zamba> this describes my problem more or less exactly
[16:24] <mgedmin> welp upgraded this server to bionic and it fails to boot fully: mdraid devices get mounted, lvm volumes except for the root volume don't even get entries names in /dev/mapper/
[16:25] <shlomif> Hi all! how do i get sound working on alsa instead of pulseaudio on ubuntu bionic 18.04 on an intel nuc? i folloed https://kodi.wiki/view/PulseAudio/HOW-TO:_Disable_PulseAudio_and_use_ALSA_(without_removing_PulseAudio)_for_Ubuntu and restarted but no sound. there was sound with pulse in ff but not in mpv/vlc
[16:26] <tatertots> shlomif: did your sound work before you did that?
[16:26] <tatertots> shlomif: has your sound EVER worked?
[16:27] <eeepc>  I'm trying to install a couple of software with lots of config in /etc and other directories
[16:27] <tatertots> shlomif: ok so should works in certain applications and not in others
[16:27] <eeepc> i need to mount an overlayfs. and once Im done testing I need to trash all those changes
[16:27] <mgedmin> is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/1573982 ?
[16:29] <eeepc> don't want to start with a live usb I'l have to install a lot of dependencies and libraries already there on my current system
[16:29] <linuxconformer> guys im getting "WebSocket connection to example.com failed: Error during WebSocket handshake: Unexpected response code: 404"
[16:30] <eeepc>  is there any way I can mount an overlay on my current system.
[16:33] <rypervenche> eeepc: You definitely can.
[16:33] <shlomif> tatertots: it did work in firefox
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> linuxconformer: More information is needed for anyone to be able to help you. Also, if you a developing an application, this forum focuses it's attention to the Ubuntu desktop and software provided through Ubuntu's official software repositories. You may need to seek out help in another channel.
[16:36] <destinydriven> Hey guys, so it seems apt upgrade is triggering errors again. My system was up to date as of yesterday so is it possible that some recent upgrade caused this?
[16:37] <eeepc> rypervenche, can you help me do that
[16:37] <lordcirth_> destinydriven, please post exactly what error it is. Pastebin if it's long.
[16:37] <eeepc> or point me to the resource where i can learn it from
[16:37] <destinydriven> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R24nWFZ44G/
[16:37] <destinydriven> @lordcirth_ ^^
[16:38] <eeepc> running ubuntu 18.04
[16:38] <rypervenche> eeepc: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Overlay_filesystem
[16:38] <destinydriven> Correct
[16:38] <lordcirth_> destinydriven, oh, that's not good. 18.04, I see? You were entirely up to date yesterday?
[16:38] <destinydriven> Yes I was totally up to date as of yester
[16:38] <destinydriven> yesterday
[16:38] <lordcirth_> destinydriven, what is your uptime? Do you have any PPAs or other third-party repos?
[16:39] <destinydriven> Uptime was days. I did a restart about a week ago
[16:39] <destinydriven> I do have 3rd party repos
[16:40] <lordcirth_> destinydriven, please list them.
[16:40] <rypervenche> eeepc: I would recommend adding it to your your fstab then rebooting.
[16:40] <destinydriven> Persona, nginx,
[16:40] <destinydriven> percona*
[16:41] <tomreyn> zamba: did you mean 18.04.3 by chance? since 10.04.3 is oooold
[16:42] <eeepc> rypervenche, I might need to tear it multiple times without a reboot
[16:42] <tomreyn> zamba: if you can get and post a full   journalctl -b     output (you can redirect the output to a file using e.g.    journalctl -b &> /tmp/journal.log   ) i can have a look.
[16:43] <destinydriven> @lordcirth_, any idea how to fix this?
[16:43] <rypervenche> eeepc: The reason I say this is because there may be processes that are holding onto files before you create your overlayfs and they will still be acting directly on /etc and not your overlayfs, unless you have the overlayfs mount on boot.
[16:43] <lordcirth_> destinydriven, just percona and nginx? I wouldn't expect those to break this. Are both repos specifically for 18.04?
[16:44] <destinydriven> Yes all repos are for 18.04
[16:45] <tomreyn> zamba: also, maybe before you get the logs, try disabling all gnome-shell extensions which don't come packaged with ubuntu.
[16:45] <destinydriven> lordcirth_ there's also ondrej php
[16:46] <Rich_Morin> Running `dpkg -s accerciser` provides quite a bit of information, but I'm unclear how to track the package back to an archive. For example, although dpkg says accerciser is version 3.31.4-1, https://packages.debian.org/buster/accerciser lists it as version 3.22.0-7.
[16:47] <mgedmin> welp udev is not running pvscan for me, whyyy?
[16:47] <lordcirth_> destinydriven, well, you said it broke recently. So I would look at /var/log/apt/history.log and see what broke it.
[16:47] <destinydriven> Ok, I shall look
[16:50] <destinydriven> Upgrade: linux-libc-dev:amd64 (4.15.0-60.67, 4.15.0-62.69)
[16:50] <destinydriven> Upgrade: libsystemd0:amd64 (237-3ubuntu10.28, 237-3ubuntu10.29), udev:amd64 (237-3ubuntu10.28, 237-3ubuntu10.29), libudev1:amd64 (237-3ubuntu10.28, 237-3ubuntu10.29), systemd-sysv:amd64 (237-3ubuntu10.28, 237-3ubuntu10.29), libpam-systemd:amd64 (237-3ubuntu10.28, 237-3ubuntu10.29), systemd:amd64 (237-3ubuntu10.28, 237-3ubuntu10.29), libnss-systemd:amd64 (237-3ubuntu10.28, 237-3ubuntu10.29), libidn2-0:amd64 (2.0.4-1.1build2, 2.2.0-1+ub
[16:50] <destinydriven> untu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1)
[16:51] <destinydriven> Those are the upgrades from yesterday
[16:51] <destinydriven> I dunno
[16:57] <ioria> destinydriven, i think libidn2-0 (2.2.0-1+ubunutu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1)) is related to your errors here (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R24nWFZ44G/)
[16:57] <destinydriven> Yeah I just saw this. I'm downloading the file right now.
[16:57] <destinydriven> This fix worked for some people hours ago
[16:58] <shlomif> tatertots: it works when i connect headphones! so the speakers are the issue
[16:58] <shlomif> tatertots: bye
[16:58] <ioria> destinydriven, that version of libidn2-0 might not be compatible with  libgnutls
[16:59] <destinydriven> Ionia, can I go ahead and try this fix:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1173306/relocation-error-error-code-127-after-last-updates
[16:59] <arinov> hey guys whats a snap directory in my home?
[17:00] <Aavar> arinov: snap configs mostly.
[17:00] <DArqueBishop> arinov: that holds config information for snap apps.
[17:00] <ioria> destinydriven, if apt is dead, yes, it's the only fix
[17:00] <destinydriven> Ionia, thanks
[17:00] <ioria> gl
[17:03] <destinydriven> @ioria @lordcirth_  thanks. That saved me
[17:03] <shlomif> hi
[17:03] <ioria> destinydriven, good job
[17:03] <arinov> Aavar: DArqueBishop: yah, ok, but why not in .local or something thoughtful
[17:03] <destinydriven> Sigh of relief :D
[17:04] <destinydriven> One more question though. This same update that broke apt is appearing again
[17:04] <destinydriven> libidn2-0/bionic 2.2.0-2+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.0.5-1]
[17:04] <arinov> maybe it will be better to save all configs in the / or the desktop, without any folders
[17:05] <DArqueBishop> arinov: as near as I can tell $HOME/snap is the default config save location as defined by snapcraft.
[17:05] <arinov> DArqueBishop: not great, not terrible
[17:06] <elfie> mm
[17:06] <arinov> because its not in .local
[17:06] <arinov> trash in my home directory structure
[17:10] <ioria> destinydriven, 2.0.5-1 is for disco and that ppa still reports 2.2.0-2  for bionic (but see libidn2  9 hours 30 minutes ago ; Successfully built )
[17:10] <destinydriven> @ioria all seems well now, thanks
[17:10] <ioria> destinydriven, ok
[17:10] <destinydriven> I didn't know apt could get broken like that
[17:16] <ioria> destinydriven, apt depends on libgnutls30 that depends on libidn2-0; you modify libidn2-0 and boom !!!
[17:17] <destinydriven> The domino effect
[17:17] <ioria> yep
[17:18] <destinydriven> Good thing I check for updates like daily haha
[17:24] <Rich_Morin> How can I reach a web page (ala https://packages.debian.org/buster/accerciser) for a package version that is installed on my Ubuntu system?
[17:25] <Rich_Morin> For example, my version of accerciser is 3.31.4-1
[17:25] <sarnold> Rich_Morin: there's a similar packages.ubuntu.com service https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/accerciser
[17:25] <lordcirth_> Rich_Morin, https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[17:26] <Rich_Morin> tnx!
[17:26] <sarnold> Rich_Morin: depending upon what you're trying to do the launchpad source package page may be more useful https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accerciser
[17:28] <blizzow> What's the right way to install python3 as the default for ubuntu 19.04 globally? Is there a right way?
[17:30] <tomreyn> blizzow: i'm not sure that's a safe thing to do, system software may still expect python to default to 2.x
[17:32] <blizzow> Okay, what about if I want to swap it out as the default for my own user?
[17:32] <blizzow> There are 6354 howtos that all seem different.
[17:33] <blizzow> virtual environments, update-alternatives, manually symlinking python...
[17:43] <sarnold> blizzow: do not swap /usr/bin/python or /usr/bin/python3 names around. applications expect the "python" programming language to use /usr/bin/python and the "python3" programming language to use /usr/bin/python3. if you fiddle with these you *will* break things
[17:45] <Habbie> blizzow, for your own user, put something inside your homedir early in PATH and stick a 'python' in there that does what you want
[17:46] <sarnold> yes this is fine and good. I don't know about virtualenv end of things, or personal scripts ends of things, I just know that the /usr/bin/python and /usr/bin/python3 names refer to different programming languages and you shouldn't mix them :)
[17:47] <sarnold> I maintain the python community would have done everybody a favour to call "python3" "blackadder" instead :)
[17:49] <ikanobori> The Python community documented what distros could do pretty well 8 years ago: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/
[17:49] <ikanobori> And quite a few of the major distros follow that.
[17:52] <sarnold> iirc that came out because arch tried making /usr/bin/python run the python3 programming language and Everything Broke ..
[17:53] <dax> ayup
[18:14] <seven-eleven> what ports do i need to open for nfs server on ubuntu?
[18:15] <shlomif> seven-eleven: hi
[18:15] <shlomif> seven-eleven: nfs, nis,
[18:15] <shlomif> seven-eleven: udp/tcp
[18:17] <seven-eleven> looks like i did it right then
[18:18] <seven-eleven> i opened udp/tcp of 111, 2049
[18:18] <seven-eleven> then I configured rpc mount to use a specific port and opened its udp/tcp too
[18:19] <seven-eleven> RPCMOUNTDOPTS="--port 54938"
[18:19] <seven-eleven> shlomif, is it normal that `systemctl status nfs-server` says service "started (exited)"
[18:19] <seven-eleven> exited sounds bad
[18:19] <seven-eleven> but there's no error message :(
[18:20] <shlomif> seven-eleven: do you see the green circle?
[18:20] <seven-eleven> yes
[18:21] <seven-eleven> shlomif, https://bpaste.net/show/Ojew
[18:21] <seven-eleven> if i try mounting the exported nfs share it failing
[18:21] <seven-eleven> but no error message either
[18:21] <seven-eleven> hehe
[18:26] <shlomif> seven-eleven: can you use wireshark?
[18:26] <seven-eleven> ok
[18:26] <seven-eleven> on the host right?
[18:27] <rindolf> seven-eleven: yes
[18:28] <seven-eleven> rindolf, oh, which interface should I listen to consider my host is the hypervisor of my client (guest)
[18:28] <seven-eleven> ah i have to listen to br2 (the bridge)
[18:29] <seven-eleven> because the guests NIC are all tied to br2
[18:38] <seven-eleven> rindolf, http://dpaste.com//1DFCNGK
[18:40] <rindolf> seven-eleven: looks like no reply was received
[18:40] <seven-eleven> mhm
[18:41] <seven-eleven> rindolf, reply by client or host?
[18:42] <rindolf> seven-eleven: reply from server to client
[18:43] <seven-eleven> so my server is borked
[18:43] <rindolf> seven-eleven: a client also has a host
[18:45] <seven-eleven> rindolf, but the server looks fine, no errors :|
[18:47] <seven-eleven> my /etc/exports has just this entry: /mnt/12tb01/phserver01 192.168.2.12(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
[18:49] <rindolf> seven-eleven: ok
[18:50] <seven-eleven> what about rpc port, I configured a specific port on the server @/etc/default/nfs-kernel-server
[18:50] <rindolf> seven-eleven: is there a firewall in between?
[18:50] <seven-eleven> do i have to configure the same port on the client @/etc/default/nfs-common?
[18:50] <seven-eleven> rindolf, yes but i opened all ports
[18:50] <seven-eleven> let me paste
[18:50] <rindolf> seven-eleven: i think you also need rpc
[18:51] <seven-eleven> rindolf, http://dpaste.com/3RP8YTG
[18:51] <seven-eleven> rindolf, seems firewall drops packages... [39:2340] -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 2049 -j DROP
[18:51] <seven-eleven> but why
[18:51] <rindolf> seven-eleven: note that i'm not an nfs expert - i just follow tutorials
[18:53] <rindolf> seven-eleven: do the logs say why?
[18:53] <seven-eleven> now it matches the accept rule, but it still not mounting
[18:53] <seven-eleven> nope
[18:57] <FrameFever> how do I change a directory rights so that everybody can read from it?
[18:57] <seven-eleven> the client is stuck @ mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'vers=4.2,addr=192.168.2.16,clientaddr=192.168.2.12'
[18:57] <akemlenovo__> chmod a+r /directory
[18:57] <seven-eleven> FrameFever, chmod -R a+r /direc
[18:57] <seven-eleven> FrameFever, sorry missing +x
[18:58] <seven-eleven> without +x other users can't traverse through it
[18:58] <soloslinger> I know the security implications of turning this off, but is there a way to tell Apt to ignore/be-cool-with self signed certs?  I set trusted=yes, but it's still whining about it for some reason.
[18:58] <seven-eleven> but don't do `chmod -R a+xr`, do instead: `chmod a+rx /dir`
[18:59] <sarnold> soloslinger: what specifically are you seing? apt doesn't really do *certs*, it does *keys*..
[18:59] <FrameFever> seven-eleven: does x not make it executable?
[19:00] <seven-eleven> FrameFever, the directory x means other users can go inside the dir
[19:00] <soloslinger> sarnold: sudo apt-get update yields a "Certificate verification failed: ... NOT trusted" then a "E: Failed to fetch https://"
[19:00] <seven-eleven> FrameFever, on a file it means you can run the file
[19:00] <soloslinger> sarnold: Docker, specifically, is what I'm trying to fool with.
[19:01] <seven-eleven> soloslinger, can you try sudo update-ca-certificates
[19:02] <sarnold> soloslinger: okay, cool, check apt-transport-https manpage for instructions on how to set the CA for the https transport
[19:02] <soloslinger> sarnold: Gotcha.  Thanks!
[19:03] <soloslinger> seven-eleven: ( I think the $dayjob does some intercepting of https traffic. )
[19:06] <amosbird> hmm, ld provides -z undefs to revert --no-undefine
[19:06] <amosbird> but ld.gold doesn't have that option
[19:18] <grammoboy2> does ubuntu uses lvm2 as default at installation?
[19:19] <grammoboy2> looks like a dualboot is screwed here
[19:20] <ioria> grammoboy2, for encryption ? yes it uses lvm
[19:25] <xavier23> Hello guys is there any disadvantage to running smartd? Especially on a laptop to detect any disk errors?
[19:28] <unshackled> hey whats the nam,e of the channel for the next release i think it was #ubuntu_plus_one or soenthing like that?
[19:29] <unshackled> I cant find it on the server list for some odd reason
[19:30] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | unshackled
[19:30] <unshackled> ty
[19:36] <maxtim> I have debian server with samba shares connected to an ubuntu server install on a rasp pi. I'm using fstab to auto mount the share using cifs. Something I noticed today is that the permissions are different on the UbuBox compared to the DebBox. I'm positive this is a smb.conf issue. What might I be doing wrong?
[19:40] <FrameFever> seven-eleven: how can I make it recursive?
[19:40] <seven-eleven> -R
[19:40] <seven-eleven> FrameFever, for only directories use find
[19:41] <seven-eleven> find /your/dir -type d -exec chmod a+rx {} \;
[19:44] <unshackled> maxtim did you use the root account on Deb?
[19:44] <maxtim> unshackled, to do what?
[19:54] <rindolf> that is strange: connecting and disconnecting the audio jack makes the sound on the amplifiers work
[19:57] <rindolf> hax!
[20:16] <mdemo> I don't like software-controlled heaphone jacks at all!
[20:16] <mdemo> but that's the way everything has gone
[20:16] <leftyfb> !ot | mdemo
[20:20] <n-iCe> hi
[20:47] <frad> what command should I use to update firmware on a ssd that is not nvme?
[20:52] <EriC^> frad: you probably need to check the ssd manufacturers site for updates and info i guess
[20:53] <frad> EriC^, I already downloaded the iso image and located the bin file. I only need a command. for my nvme I used nvme-cli
[20:53] <frad> EriC^, its a samsung
[20:54] <EriC^> ah
[20:59] <flog> How do I change the keyboard layout for X? can set the layout I'm using with setxkbmap se dvorak_a5, but wih the dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration the layout is not shown.
[21:15] <PeaceTea> hi, just installed ubuntu 19.04 on hp pavilion laptop. screen keeps rotating i tried google the only thing that seems to work is the "xrand -o normal" command.
[21:29] <CaptainN> 3+
[21:34] <monkle> Can anyone point me the right direction for repairing a boot loader?
[21:38] <OerHeks> hi monk see the grub manual and wiki
[21:38] <OerHeks> !grub
[21:42] <Pr070cal> hi
[21:42] <Pr070cal> 10:14 PM <Pr070cal_> how can i make a / /system /home partions so system is readonly holds my distro and is readonly then changes to system in root and my home partition
[21:42] <Pr070cal> 10:16 PM 10:15 PM <Pr070cal_> like android
[21:42] <Pr070cal> 10:16 PM 10:15 PM <Pr070cal_> system is read only
[21:42] <Pr070cal> 10:16 PM 10:15 PM <Pr070cal_> and new fw overwrites system but doesnt touch the daya and the rest
[21:42] <Pr070cal> 10:16 PM data
[21:48] <Pr070cal> can i symlink folders like bin and etc on a new partition and make root read only
[21:50] <tomreyn> you could use an overlay file system, like the live system does
[21:50] <tomreyn> but i'm not able to guide you there.
[21:53] <Pr070cal> thats a good idea
[22:47] <becool> is there a way to rollback an apt upgrade?
[22:47] <becool> other than backup/snap
[22:48] <sarnold> if you've got a root-on-zfs system, you could use that. but if you're asking, you probably don't have that..
[22:51] <tomreyn> you can downgrade packages if their earlier versions are still available. this can fail and is not suüpported, though (but usually just works)
[22:53] <sarnold> yeah, depending upon the package in question..
[22:55] <Pr070cal> how do i make my / install readonly and /home read write and changed to / on another partition ?
[22:55] <Pr070cal> so a fresh install would still have all my changes to / and home
[23:06] <john_rambo> Hi, This is the first time I am using Redshift. Should I use it with default settings or will it be better to tweak it?
[23:11] <Pr070cal> https://askubuntu.com/questions/719311/install-persistent-version-of-usb-onto-a-hard-drive
[23:12] <Pr070cal> read only system partiton with changes to root and home on persistance partition
[23:12] <sarnold> john_rambo: last time I tried it I think I had to tell it my lat/lon manually
[23:12] <Pr070cal> now you can put the new distro on the read only partitin and still have changes to root
[23:13] <Pr070cal> then unmount persistance and mount a different one on usb
[23:13] <john_rambo> sarnold, I don't need automation. I can start it manually. I was asking about changing the color temperature from the default if thats possible
[23:14] <sarnold> john_rambo: ah, I didn't fiddle with those, that seemed to work fine on its own
[23:15] <john_rambo> sarnold, Okay. Then I will leave it alone. Thanks
[23:34] <kinghat> if i was going to move files from windows to nix via usb what would be a good format for said usb?
[23:34] <kinghat> usb thumb drive
[23:35] <kinghat> cant remember if ubuntu reads NTFS out the box
[23:35] <sarnold> I think it does via the ntfs-3g package
[23:36] <kinghat> is there one that is 100% between the two?
[23:36] <sarnold> if both systems are on one network though scp or rsync would probably be faster
[23:36] <sarnold> no, the filesystem semantics of both systems are pretty different. ntfs comes closest. there's also fat32 but that just feels funny you know?
[23:36] <akemlenovo_> Depends of the network speed, for me it's faster over USB.
[23:37] <sarnold> akemlenovo_: is that a nice usb device or terrible network or both? :)
[23:38] <akemlenovo_> sarnold, USB 3 versus poor Wifi :)
[23:38] <sarnold> akemlenovo_: is that to an ssd in an enclosure? or a "stick"?
[23:38] <akemlenovo_> I'd go for NTFS.
[23:39] <akemlenovo_> sarnold, regular stick or hdd.
[23:40] <sarnold> akemlenovo_: well, good point.. even non-ssd can do 100MBps if it's writing big blocks.. cool, thanks
[23:48] <pedrocr> is there any way to diagnose broken/flaky suspend/resume? all I see in logs is going to suspend and then a normal boot when resume fails
[23:52] <Sven_vB> is there an easy way to enumerate all /dev/[hs]d* that have (list 1) the bios_grub flag and (list 2) have the esp flag?
[23:54] <Sven_vB> btw I solved the first stage of my cryptsetuo problem from yesterday (cc @TJ-), I was missing the "export " keyword in front of my CRYPTSETUP=yes and CRYPTROOT=….
[23:55] <Sven_vB> later I'll have a look at making my own local-block script to mount the LVM.
[23:55] <Sven_vB> (except some crypttab enthusiast wants to evangelize me. :D)
[23:56] <flog> pedrocr: running ubuntu on ryzen?
[23:58] <pedrocr> flog: no, it's a Lenovo T460s, why?
[23:59] <flog> There is apparently a bug with suspend on linux 5.sometthing on ryzen.
[23:59] <flog> pedrocr: nice, just got myself a T495. so highfive!