[00:02] <Pr070cal> nice with ryzen
[00:03] <flog> Pr070cal: yeah got it wit ha ryzen 7 3700u w/ vega10 512GB nvme and the onborad 8GB ram. Will add an additional 8GB later.
[00:03] <flog> Nice little laptop.
[00:03] <sarnold> woot
[00:03] <flog> Happy that i didnt run in to the previously mentioned issues with ryzen and linux 5.x
[00:03] <Pr070cal> yeah man better than my desktop lol i think
[00:04] <Pr070cal> 8 core amd fx
[00:04] <Pr070cal> 12 gb ram need another 4gb
[00:04] <pedrocr> flog: I'm hoping for a X1 Carbon with zen 2
[00:05] <flog> There was some reasor for me not choosing the x1 carbon. dont remember what though.
[00:05] <flog> might have been the full size rj45.
[00:06] <Pr070cal> im installing usb live persistance to a ssd so my system partiton can be swaped out for another os and leave my root folder intact
[00:06] <Pr070cal> hopefully it works
[00:06] <flog> Pr070cal: what are you trying to achieve?
[00:06] <Pr070cal> so all applications installed install to persistance partition and not to /
[00:08] <Pr070cal> if i install everything and it install to / like /etc then i put a clean upgrade from disc on i lose my / partiton but still have /home partiton
[00:08] <Pr070cal> and lose all the applications i installed like snort
[00:08] <Pr070cal> have to reconfigure firewall and ids
[00:08] <Pr070cal> and reinstall it
[00:09] <Pr070cal> if i use persistance its always on the persistance partiton
[00:09] <Pr070cal> so basically i want a readonly root /
[00:09] <Pr070cal> a home partiton /home
[00:10] <Pr070cal> and another partition read write to make changes to root / without touching it
[00:11] <Pr070cal> then i just replace / with new install and snort and firewall run from /persistance
[00:12] <Pr070cal> android does it
[00:12] <Pr070cal> system partion is read only
[00:13] <Pr070cal> and sometimes you cant touch it or it corrupts and makes device unbootable
[00:13] <Pr070cal> like android tv
[00:14] <Pr070cal> so system is readonly and system gets wiped by fw update when it reboots your /data is intact and everything else
[00:20] <Pr070cal> can i symlink / to another partiton then mount it and make changes to / on the new partition like /etc/config but keep changes stored on new partiton and leave / untouched
[00:21] <Pr070cal> like persistance
[00:21] <sarnold> Pr070cal: you can bindmount individual files or directories in place
[00:21] <sarnold> Pr070cal: trying to get something to work with symlinks will drive you insane
[00:21] <Pr070cal> ok
[00:21] <Pr070cal> can i bindmount / to another drive
[00:22] <Pr070cal> so i dont touch the drive / is on
[00:22] <Pr070cal> and changes to / are stored on the new drive
[00:25] <Pr070cal> whats better persistance or bindmount
[00:25] <Pr070cal> i want to bindmount the whole / drive though
[00:25] <sarnold> you can use one to solve the other
[00:26] <Pr070cal> do you use bindmount
[00:26] <sarnold> occasionally
[00:27] <Pr070cal> i want all changes to / stored on another drive
[00:28] <Pr070cal> and leave / untouched so when i install to / with new ubuntu it loads files from /etc on other drive when fresh install boots ?
[00:29] <sarnold> but / has ~27 things in there. only symlinks to vmlinuz and initrds in / ever get updated, and that happens when you do kernel updates
[00:29] <sarnold> so don't bother bindmounting / .. the goal is the changes in /var/ or /home or /etc/ or whatever..
[00:30] <Pr070cal> i know but then it will use /share or /opt or lib so i thought just mount the whole root but keep it stored somewhere elese
[00:31] <Pr070cal> so when a file on root changes its stored on its own on a new drive
[00:32] <Pr070cal> then when i mount that as root it loads just those new changes
[00:32] <Pr070cal> like persistance on usb but / doesnt get touched
[00:35] <Pr070cal> oh you can bindmount sd on android
[00:36] <Pr070cal> can i bind mount / on empty new drive to / with ubuntu on
[00:41] <zap0> any suggestions for a linux app that is like Window's ProcessExplorer?
[00:42] <xamithan> gnome system monitor?  htop? ps?
[00:42] <Pr070cal> ps aux
[00:42] <xamithan> Oh wait,  there is a linux process explorer that apparently is the same as the windows one
[00:43] <Pr070cal> vmmap
[00:43] <Pr070cal> on gdb
[00:43] <xamithan> Not supported here though,  you'll have to download the deb from sourceforge
[00:44] <Pr070cal> oh system monitor
[00:44] <Pr070cal> lol
[00:50] <zap0> htop seems to be sufficient.  thanks.
[01:10] <Pr070cal> if i bindmount do i have to copy old files to new place ?
[01:17] <EmergencyMedical> I'm trying to find ubuntu games where it's like magic the gathering
[02:13] <Milijus> Are there any GUIs for strace analyses?
[02:53] <Pr070cal> someone should make a world company :)
[02:53] <Pr070cal> employ people over the world to work on projects and pay them a salary
[02:54] <Pr070cal> then collab and work on the project
[02:54] <Pr070cal> over the internet
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> not here Pr070cal
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> Pr070cal: this channel is only for ubuntu support
[03:00] <Pr070cal> ok sorry about that
[03:01] <Pr070cal> was just an idea but i cant market most of the ideas to dev
[03:01] <Pr070cal> so i couldnt pay people anyway
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> !alis | Pr070cal find a suitable channel here
[03:02] <Pr070cal> i have a crypto currency api i want to find all day safe risers lol
[03:53] <chieta> im on wireless with dhcp leases IP ... i want to create client server connection... how to know that which host(server) should i refer automatically from client?
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> chieta: ##networking ?
[04:25] <chieta> lotuspsychje On dhcp environment how the client know the Which server should contacted ? ... what tool should i used?
[04:39] <Sven_vB> when I copy the Bionic Live ISO to my thumb drive verbatim, will it have persistence enabled? can I put my existing casper-rw file on a separate USB thumbdrive and it will find it?
[04:45] <guiverc2> Sven_vB, if you copy [cp] your live ISO to a thumb drive; it'll be a ISO file; you must expand it for it to be bootable, and no it won't look for persistence elsewhere nor have it enabled by default
[04:48] <Sven_vB> guiverc2, with "drive" I meant the disk device, not a partition or FS. :)
[04:49] <Sven_vB> thanks for the info on default kernel params though.
[04:50] <Sven_vB> well I can probably patch it, "quiet splash" -> "persistence "
[04:54] <ow9n> hey guys i just recently got a new SSD and i have windows on one, and ubuntu on the other (kubuntu specifically), but when i try and boot to the drive that kubuntu is on, it doesn't work at all. instead, i have to boot to the windows drive, and then a grub bootloader comes up asking if i want to launch windows or kubuntu
[04:54] <ow9n> is this a problem? i have heard about windows updates messing up grub and the like
[04:59] <Sven_vB> in that case you might want to install an EFI version of GRUB on the Kubuntu drive.
[05:31] <pi0> need help connecting a bluetooth joystick to ubuntu
[05:32] <pi0> https://www.amazon.com/Cynoculars-Virtual-Reality-Headset/dp/B01LKZA7FQ is the brand
[06:40] <SorcererBoom> hey i have an arch guest and I notice the guest gnome terminal has the same settings as the ubuntu host... but they don't look identical. does ubuntu do anything to tweak the aesthetics of their gnome-terminals?
[08:22] <gst568923> Hi guys, in ubuntu 19.04, synaptic show me that the packages "libsnmp30" and "libsnmp-base" are "Installed (local and obsolete)" but if remove it, there are other dependencies: colord, libsane ...
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: best to pastebin the full apt output, so volunteers can think along with you
[08:33] <gst568923> lotuspsychje I have used frontend Synaptic, what is the corresponding command cli?
[08:34] <MJCDawy> "frontend synaptic"
[08:34] <MJCDawy> apt ?
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: wich packages are you trying to install/purge?
[08:35] <MJCDawy> does it matter
[08:38] <gst568923> lotuspsychje in the previous days I normally opened synaptic and I clicked on the update button, to update other packages and I found that the "libsnmp30" and "libsnmp-base" packages that from the "installed" item are automatically passed to the "installed (local or obsolete)"
[08:40] <tomreyn> gst568923: can you run and post this to get us started? it returns some general info on your apt repository configuration and package management system, without actually changing anything:   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> MJCDawy: yes, details matter
[08:43] <tomreyn> gst568923: if you however dislike the idea of running those commands which you may not know/understand, you could also just show some synaptic screenshots, like form the detail view of when it updates package lists, and the screeen where it discusses that those packages are obsolete, and the screen where it wants to remove those other packages.
[08:43] <MJCDawy> lotuspsychje, hello I want to manage a package. what is the thing like synaptic for the cli
[08:43] <MJCDawy> what details would matter in this inquiry
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> MJCDawy: feel free to come discuss this in #ubuntu-discuss
[08:44] <MJCDawy> I'm already too deep inside the ubuntu beast I fear, lest I risk partial digestion
[08:47] <gst568923> tomreyn https://pastebin.com/cBjmPK0g
[08:48] <BWestOz> Can anyone suggest a command line tool I can use to monitor CPU use in real time?
[08:48] <magic_ninja> anyone know if there is an official channel for the ubuntu graphics ppa?
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> nvidia | magic_ninja
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia
[08:49] <doug16k> magic_ninja, atop will give a lot of details. top is the simple version of that and is probably already installed
[08:49] <tomreyn> gst568923: hmm my italian is not very good, i'm afraid.
[08:49] <magic_ninja> I want to speak with the maintainers of the ppa
[08:49] <doug16k> qtop is very much like windows task manager
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> magic_ninja: contact the maintainer on the ppa..
[08:50] <magic_ninja> full circle now, anyone know if the ppa has its own irc channel?
[08:51] <gst568923> tomreyn "I seguenti pacchetti sono stati aggiornati:" translated in english "The following packages have been updated:"
[08:51] <doug16k> oops, not you magic_ninja. I meant BWestOz
[08:51] <tomreyn> BWestOz: realtime wont be possible since any application will need to receive, process and output the information. top can do it fast enough usually.
[08:51] <doug16k> BWestOz, top or atop
[08:52] <gst568923> tomreyn "I seguenti pacchetti sono stati installati:" translated "The following packages have been installed:"
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> !alis | magic_ninja to find a channel
[08:52] <magic_ninja> thats fine. appreciate it. I just figured someone in here might know of it off the top of their head
[08:53] <tomreyn> gst568923: thanks. so none of this suggests that these packages you mentioned are obsolete, just that they are about to be upgraded
[08:53] <doug16k> BWestOz, atop will give you extensive information, and per-cpu information. top is a summary
[08:53] <doug16k> BWestOz, htop is good if atop is too much information
[08:54] <BWestOz> I'm just having a look with top at the moment. Thank you all very much
[08:54] <gst568923> tomreyn I know it sounds strange but they are shown in that entry after I updated the day "Commit Log for Fri Sep 6 13:05:45 2019"
[08:56] <BWestOz> It's quite fun clicking away on my browser and watching top. Not very scientific though!
[08:57] <gst568923> furthermore clicking with the right button, the reinstallation entry is disabled, the only items that can be activated on synaptic are "remove" or "remove completely"
[08:59] <gst568923> tomreyn maybe I found the problem
[09:01] <BWestOz> Thank you all for your helpful suggestions.
[09:03] <gst568923> my installed version is "5.7.3 + dfsg-5ubuntu1.1" but by clicking on synaptic on "force version" the entry "5.7.3 + dfsg-5ubuntu1.1 (now)" appears. Maybe I should downgrade to "5.7.3 + dfsg-5ubuntu1 (disco)"
[09:03] <gst568923> tomreyn
[09:05] <tomreyn> !info libsnmp30 disco
[09:07] <tomreyn> gst568923: this suggests the latest version of libsnmp30 in 19.04 "disco" is 5.7.3+dfsg-5ubuntu1. but this information can be out of date, which your system seeing 5.7.3+dfsg-5ubuntu1.1 seems to suggest
[09:08] <tomreyn> so maybe you've just hit the middle of a mirror update, and should just reload the packages list.
[09:08] <tomreyn> i.e. refresh the repository cache.
[09:12] <gst568923> tomreyn I downgraded and works :-)  probably version 1.1 was not referred to ubuntu disco but to (now) that I didn't understand what it means
[09:14] <tomreyn> just dont hold it on this downgraded version and you should be fine.
[09:16] <gst568923> tomreyn the word "now" to which version of ubuntu refers?
[09:17] <tomreyn> to the UBUNTU_CODENAME in /etc/os-release
[09:18] <tomreyn> though i'm not 100% certain on this
[09:18] <gst568923> tomreyn what about the repository server even if I am in Italy which servers are more reliable "http://archive.ubuntu.com" or "http://it.archive.ubuntu.com"? What do you suggest me?
[09:21] <tomreyn> gst568923: the latter is usually fine.
[09:21] <tomreyn> !mirrors
[09:22] <tomreyn> actually ignore what ubottus told you there and look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[09:23] <tomreyn> it.archive.ubuntu.com is an alias for ubuntu.mirror.garr.it.
[09:24] <tomreyn> ...but this can change, so it's best to keep using it.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:25] <gst568923> tomreyn how did you find the corresponding alias?
[09:28] <tomreyn> gst568923: using the "host" command on a terminal. "dig" or "systemd-resolve" would work, too.
[09:29] <gst568923> tomreyn yes, `dig it.archive.ubuntu.com` works
[09:30] <gst568923> tomreyn `dig archive.ubuntu.com` return me 91.189.88.XXX varius number
[09:44] <tomreyn> yes, DNS can be exciting.
[09:47] <adac> For 16.04, which apt package holds the virt-rescue binary?
[09:47] <adac> http://libguestfs.org/virt-rescue.1.html
[09:48] <adac> libguestfs-tools
[09:49] <parak0vsky> how to setup caps lock to act as home key permanently?
[10:07] <Guifle> hello, how can I decrypt an img file which is the image of a luks partition?
[10:11] <vlt> Guifle: losetup, then cryptsetup luksOpen
[10:12] <Guifle> vlt, yeah, just made it work, thank you
[10:27] <MindSpark> Hey, how do I list downgradable packages?
[10:35] <julius_> hi
[10:54] <pedrocr> how can I blacklist a module? adding "blacklist bluetooth" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf doesn't seem to be working
[10:57] <julius_> hi
[10:57] <julius_> is there a page like:  packages.debian.org for ubuntu?   i would like to search for the package mariadb-backup to see in which ubuntu it is available
[10:59] <julius_> ah, crap. never mind
[11:16] <redecas> what is the difference between 'end of support' and 'end of life' ?
[11:17] <redecas> what is the difference between 'end of STANDARD  support' and 'end of life' ?
[11:17] <Ool> perhaps you can have no standard support
[11:18] <Ool> Extended Maintenance (ESM)
[11:18] <Ool> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[11:19] <Ool> https://ubuntu.com/esm
[11:19] <Ool> @ redecas
[11:22] <tomreyn> redecas: end of standard support (+ optional (commercially available) extended maintenance) = end of life.
[11:24] <redecas> tomreyn: thx
[11:27] <Dirkos> curl: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.30: symbol _idn2_punycode_decode version IDN2_0.0.0 not defined in file libidn2.so.0 with link time reference
[11:27] <Dirkos> anyone knows how to deal with this? Since apt is also broken now ofc
[11:31] <tomreyn> Dirkos: this shouldn't impact grub unless you use httpS urls for apt archives.
[11:32] <tomreyn> Dirkos: which ubuntu version is this, are all available updates installed?
[11:34] <tomreyn> Dirkos: actually this seems to have also broken "apt update" with only http urls according to bug 1843507 (which has since been fixed).
[11:35] <Dirkos> ok thanks!
[11:40] <Reventlov> Hey.
[11:41] <Reventlov> When trying to install ubuntu, I'm greeted with a "EFI Stub: UEFI Secure Boot is enabled" and then nothing else, on a black screen
[11:41] <Reventlov> I tried various options, nomodeset, and so on, and nothing seems to work
[11:42] <tomreyn> Reventlov: try disabling uefi secure boot in the bios for now. you can re-enable it later if needed.
[11:42] <Reventlov> I also get a black screen, without the message
[11:43] <Reventlov> intel core i7, 8th gen, with intel hd graphics
[11:43] <EoflaOE> Reventlov: What about removing quiet to see which message it stuck on?
[11:43] <tomreyn> !bootlog
[11:45] <Reventlov> so, without quiet, and with debug systemd.log_level=info: black screen
[11:45] <Reventlov> (and without secure boot)
[11:45] <Reventlov> (I boot in UEFI mode)
[11:46] <tomreyn> are you able to boot to recovery?
[11:46] <Reventlov> the ubuntu is not installed yet
[11:46] <Reventlov> how can I boot to recovery
[11:47] <tomreyn> ah, sorry, i missed that it's not installed, yet
[11:47] <tomreyn> remove "splash" also, add "nosplash"
[11:47] <tomreyn> which hardware is this?
[11:48] <Reventlov> some asus UX331F Notebook
[11:48] <Ool> Reventlov: secure boot block you to boot with an other device, you need to put it off to install
[11:48] <Reventlov> black screen.
[11:48] <Reventlov> Ool: secure boot is disabled now.
[11:48] <Reventlov> same problem.
[11:48] <Reventlov> (without the message, still)
[11:48] <Ool> to install in EFI mode you need to boot in EFI mode too (not legacy)
[11:49] <Reventlov> which is what I do.
[11:49] <tomreyn> this is maybe bug 1829620
[11:50] <leftyfb> Reventlov: which version of ubuntu are you trying to install?
[11:50] <Reventlov> 18.04, I'll try to update the bios (I currently have version 2.20.1271)
[11:51] <tomreyn> Reventlov: bios upgrade may help (and is probably a good idea), another workaround is to boot with dis_ucode_ldr
[11:53] <linuxconformer> why is my systemd service not updating? it keeps throwing an error from on old version, i've run daemon-reload and restarted the service, but it's still reading an old versoin
[11:55] <tomreyn> systemd is the init process, to restart it you'll need to reboot.
[11:55] <tomreyn> (or kexec)
[11:58] <tomreyn> it's not really safe to just upgrade systemd within an ubuntu release, though, unless you know exactly what the implications are and are able to handle those.
[11:58] <linuxconformer> thanks
[11:58] <tomreyn> (other than bug fix / security updates, which won't change the version number systemd reports)
[11:59] <Reventlov> dis_ucode_ldr made it
[11:59] <tomreyn> Reventlov: and a bios upgrade did not?
[12:01] <grammoboy2> my 14.04 lts system is screwed. Can't update
[12:01] <MindSpark> Hey, I have a failed service apt-daily.service. How do I find out what it does and why it still shows failed when I do service apt-daily.service start ?
[12:02] <tomreyn> !14.04 | grammoboy2
[12:02] <OerHeks> gramno it is not, just end of life
[12:02] <OerHeks> grammoboy2 ^
[12:02] <tomreyn> MindSpark: which ubuntu version is this? what's the output you get for "service apt-daily.service start"? use a pastebin, please.
[12:03] <grammoboy2> https://pastebin.com/BDajABFV
[12:03] <OerHeks> !eolupgrade | grammoboy2 follow this guide to upgrade to 16.04 LTS
[12:04] <grammoboy2> https://pastebin.com/BDajABFV
[12:05] <grammoboy2> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:05] <OerHeks> no need to click that url, we know what is going on
[12:05] <grammoboy2> no you don't
[12:05] <tomreyn> OerHeks: i think ESM supported releases remain on archive mirrors. and any release which is still on archive mirrors can still be upgraded to using do-release-upgrade.
[12:06] <OerHeks> oh good to know
[12:06] <grammoboy2> I think I need to be able to upgrade normally first, before a dist upgrade
[12:06] <MindSpark> tomreyn, 18.04, and service apt-daily.service start doesn't give any output, but systemctl --state=failed still shows apt-daily.service
[12:07] <tomreyn> grammoboy2: can you show all output (including errors of:    apt-get update; apt-get -f install
[12:07] <grammoboy2> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/BDajABFV
[12:07] <tomreyn> MindSpark: what's the output of    systemctl status apt-daily.service
[12:08] <tomreyn> (and if other commands are suggested on this output, run those, too)
[12:08] <tomreyn> grammoboy2: you keep posting the same thing, this is not what i asked for
[12:09] <grammoboy2> tomreyn, that is apt-get -f install isn't?
[12:09] <tomreyn> grammoboy2: no
[12:10] <tomreyn> the first line of output at https://pastebin.com/raw/BDajABFV is this: "$ sudo apt-get upgrade"
[12:10] <MindSpark> tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SRNm83G2wF/
[12:11] <tomreyn> ...which is a different command than "sudo apt-get -f install"
[12:11] <grammoboy2> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/qxczi5ki
[12:12] <tomreyn> MindSpark: it seesm that the system could not get online via systemd-networkd. is your network configuration sound, are your interfaces up and properly configured?
[12:12] <MindSpark> tomreyn, they should be. That is a server I am sshing into
[12:13] <OerHeks> grammoboy2, line 62:  apport report written because the error message indicates a disk full error
[12:13] <OerHeks> remove some stuff?
[12:13] <tomreyn> grammoboy2: /boot/ has run full (you can confirm it using df -h /boot )
[12:13] <tomreyn> in fact this looks like all of / ran full, right
[12:13] <grammoboy2> tomreyn,
[12:13] <grammoboy2> df -h /boot
[12:13] <grammoboy2> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[12:13] <grammoboy2> /dev/sda1        19G   16G  2,0G  89% /
[12:13] <tomreyn> !paste | grammoboy2
[12:13] <OerHeks> tomreyn, yes, or read-only?
[12:14] <tomreyn> OerHeks: hmm i think "No space left on device" wouldn't have been reported if it was r/o
[12:14] <tomreyn> it can also be inodes
[12:15] <tomreyn> df -hi /
[12:15] <grammoboy2> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/F4HAU8U6
[12:16] <tomreyn> so that's why.
[12:16] <grammoboy2> :)
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:23] <tomreyn> grammoboy2: so you probably have a lot of subdirectories or files in a single directory somewhere - try to remove some, or to change the structure.
[12:24] <grammoboy2> tomreyn, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels trying
[12:25] <tomreyn> this helps with low disk space, not so much with few free inodes, though somewhat, too.
[12:27] <tomreyn> MindSpark: review the system log then to get a better idea of what went wrong when the system was booting.
[12:28] <Pr070cal> hi guys
[12:28] <Pr070cal> just reinstalled 19.04
[12:28] <Pr070cal> with separate partitions for /opt /usr /var and all the directories
[12:29] <tomreyn> MindSpark: also ensure the system is full yupdated, since there were some systemd related bugs in the past which could trigger this situation (which have since been fixed)
[12:29] <Pr070cal> if i install a new version of ubuntu will the applications still be in those partitions and startup ?
[12:29] <leftyfb> Pr070cal: you know that really isn't necessary
[12:30] <leftyfb> Pr070cal: the files will be there, but it will probably not function the way you think. That's not the right way to do it
[12:30] <Pr070cal> i want to install and configure things like snort that make / changes
[12:30] <Pr070cal> how should i do it
[12:30] <Pr070cal> someone said bindmount and someone else said install live persistance to hdd from usb
[12:31] <leftyfb> Pr070cal: can you explain in detail what you're trying to accomplish?
[12:31] <Pr070cal> so i install and configure snort then when i install new version of ubuntu it looks at /etc partition and loads those files instead of the ones at / and snort runs
[12:32] <Pr070cal> and is still there if i wipe /
[12:32] <Pr070cal> it works with persistance on usb it uses files on /persistance instead of /
[12:33] <leftyfb> Pr070cal: you probably want something like overlayroot. But still, I don't think things are going to work out the way you think. It's really a lot easier and quicker to just keep backups and restore after a new install.
[12:34] <tomreyn> i think file system / block device snapshotting was also mentioned previously
[12:34] <Pr070cal> anyone use bindmount ?
[12:34] <leftyfb> tomreyn: even worse
[12:35] <Pr070cal> how about make a persistance partition ?
[12:35] <tomreyn> leftyfb: no idea, i haven't tried it for this use case.
[12:37] <Pr070cal> overlayroot looks cool
[12:38] <Pr070cal> founs this in casper-rw /etc/fstab
[12:38] <Pr070cal> overlay / overlay rw 0 0
[12:39] <Pr070cal> just need a capser-rw partiton i think on hdd and /
[12:40] <Pr070cal> then wipe / reinstall and casper-rw has all the changes on root and loads them fisrt
[12:41] <OerHeks> that would .. wipe casper-rw ?
[12:42] <grammoboy2> tomreyn, thx
[12:42] <Pr070cal> no casper-rw has all your changes in
[12:42] <grammoboy2> it's updating now
[12:42] <Pr070cal> so make a change to /etc in casper partition then it wont use the version in /
[12:43] <Pr070cal> so i upgrade ubuntu in / with fresh install and when it boots i mount casper and it uses files in casper-rw first
[12:49] <julius_> hi
[12:49] <julius_> is this a official ubuntu mirror?   http://mirror.zol.co.zw/mariadb/repo/10.3/ubuntu xenial main'
[12:52] <OerHeks> julius_, no, it is a mariadb mirror, solely for their packages only
[12:53] <julius_> there are other packages on their two, but im not sure if i can trust the mirro
[12:53] <julius_> r
[12:53] <julius_> OerHeks is it listed somewhere on a mariadb page?
[12:55] <OerHeks> your url changes here to http://mariadb.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/repo/10.3/, a redirect..  you can check it at https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/mirror-sites-for-mariadb/
[12:58] <julius_> ah alright, makes it a bit more trustworthy
[12:59] <BoneE> how do i make watching 2160p movies run smooth
[12:59] <grammoboy2> tomreyn, next problem seems to bump up, but it's still upgrading at least https://pastebin.com/u4SELVBK
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> BoneE: a bit more details please? your ubuntu version? graphics card?
[13:00] <BoneE> 19.04 rx vega 64
[13:01] <BoneE> freash install
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> BoneE: is your driver loaded? what happens on wich player?
[13:01] <BoneE> VLC is the best i can play it on. but still a little bit of screen tearing
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> BoneE: check sudo lshw -C video to see if your graphics driver is loaded
[13:03] <BoneE> will try when i get home
[13:04] <BoneE> anything else i can try
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> BoneE: yes, compare with smplayer
[13:06] <tomreyn> grammoboy2: probably a result of the disk running full. try to do as it says. you should also reboot soon after / ran full.
[13:43] <CrazyEddy> authenticate 'disco.tar.gz' against 'disco.tar.gz.gpg' -- I get this when running do-release-upgrade .  Any clues?
[13:45] <leftyfb> CrazyEddy: that is not an error. Do you have an error? What version of ubuntu are you running now?
[13:45] <CrazyEddy> 18.10.
[13:46] <tomreyn> hmm, upgrading to an unsupported release is not a good idea, though.
[13:46] <CrazyEddy> The error is: Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[13:46] <CrazyEddy> Ah, so disco isn't supported yet?
[13:48] <tomreyn> no longer
[13:49] <tomreyn> oh wait, i mixed this up. sorry
[13:49] <tomreyn> !disco
[13:49] <CrazyEddy> Is cosmic supported?
[13:49] <CrazyEddy> !cosmic
[13:49] <tomreyn> disco (19.04) is supported, cosmic (18.10) is no longer
[13:50] <CrazyEddy> Right, so what's going on with do-release upgrade?
[13:50] <tomreyn> you'Re running an unsupported release. there's no guarantees that upgradign from an unsupported release is possible.
[13:51] <tomreyn> i.e. you should always upgrade from a release to the next while they'Re both supported.
[13:51] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade
[13:51]  * CrazyEddy sighs
[13:53] <leftyfb> stick with LTS's and you won't have this issue if you upgrade within 5 years of it's release
[13:54] <CrazyEddy> See, I've been running do-release upgrade the whole time and lxd errors have been holding up the process.
[13:54] <TJ-> it annoys me that d-r-u doesn't automatically handle needing to switch to old-releases to handle these cases
[13:55] <leftyfb> CrazyEddy: you have yet to post an lxd error.
[13:56] <CrazyEddy> So what can I do about the failed authentication?
[13:56] <CrazyEddy> I removed LXD.
[13:57] <leftyfb> CrazyEddy: you do realize you're upgrading to a version that will EOL in 4 months right?
[13:58] <iffraff> Hi, this may be the wrong room, if so please point me in the right direction.  In bash or zsh is there a way to tell if you script is running in linux or mac ?
[13:59] <leftyfb> iffraff: uname
[13:59] <leftyfb> iffraff: those, that is a binary
[13:59] <leftyfb> iffraff: maybe ask in #bash
[13:59] <OerHeks> uname can tell indeed, example https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3466166/how-to-check-if-running-in-cygwin-mac-or-linux
[13:59] <CrazyEddy> leftyfb, I do now.  That doesn't bother me.  I'd like to get back on track.
[14:00] <iffraff> leftyfb:  thanks, what do you mean it might binary?
[14:00] <leftyfb> iffraff: uname is a binary. Not a shell function
[14:00] <tomreyn> CrazyEddy: see the second link ubottu posted for you earlier
[14:01] <iffraff> leftyfb: oh, but we know that it will be install in ubuntu and mac?
[14:01] <leftyfb> iffraff: it will be installed on ubuntu
[14:02] <iffraff> will it throw on mac?
[14:02] <CrazyEddy> Thanks.
[14:02] <tomreyn> iffraff: that's not topical in #ubuntu, try the other channels suggested.
[14:04] <leftyfb> iffraff: sorry, we don't support mac here
[14:04] <iffraff> lol
[14:04] <iffraff> i know.  ok.  thanks
[14:24] <sweb> i try add to install tinc to two virtualbox bridge , during testing is okey (sudo tincd -n netname -D -d3) but after start service they could not see each other. how can i find out what's going on ?
[14:36] <humma> Hey, my sound began acting up, so I rmmod'ed all the snd* stuff. I modprobed snd_hda_intel again, and it works, except I have to launch a mixer to adjust now. Does anyone know what module provides volume key functionality?
[14:38] <hays_> how do I configure ubuntu to load ebtables at boot
[14:42] <hays_> it seems like there are a few options here... although most of the internet knows about iptables specifically..
[14:42] <hays_> I have an ebtables rule that I'd like run on startup.
[14:43] <Kats99> im just here to see someone talk about debian
[14:43] <Kats99> and imma leave now
[14:43] <TJ-> hays_: ebtables package contains a systemd unit to start it, that controls an old sysvinit /etc/init.d/ebtables script, that in turn is controlled by /etc/default/ebtables
[14:45] <hays_> TJ- thanks. helpful. I see that. where do the rules go though?
[14:46] <TJ-> hays_: according to /etc/init.d/ebtables they will be /etc/ebtables/$table
[14:46] <TJ-> hays_: look in function save() where it does " /sbin/ebtables -t $table --atomic-file ${EBTABLES_DUMPFILE_STEM}.$table --atomic-save "
[14:47] <TJ-> hays_: no, I'm wrong, it'll be /etc/ebtables.$table
[14:47] <hays_> heh ok so I can backdoor that by calling the /etc/init.d script directly
[14:48] <hays_> since systemctl save ebtables isn't a thing
[14:48] <TJ-> hays_: or just "sudo systemctl start ebtables"
[14:48] <TJ-> hays_: oh I see what you mean, to save your manually added rules initially
[14:49] <jerware> hi
[14:50] <jerware> Is ntpd also used on the client side to keep synced with time servers?  Or is ntpd soley a server?
[14:50] <hays_> TJ- ick, the files are binaries
[14:50] <hays_> I wonder if that will work if I am imaging the system
[14:51] <hays_> TJ- thanks for the assistance
[14:55] <TJ-> hays_: you might be able to dump the textual versions with something like "ebtables --atomic-file=/etc/ebtables.filter --list "
[14:55] <hays_> TJ- oh yeah there is ebtables-save
[14:55] <hays_> and ebtables-restore
[14:56] <TJ-> aha!
[14:56] <hays_> So.. I can run that once and save the tables thru /etc/init.d/ebtables save
[14:56] <hays_> still slightly messy but will work
[14:58] <lordcirth_> sweb, anything in 'systemctl status tinc'?
[14:58] <riex> mwape!
[14:59] <riex> I love when u call me Señorita!
[14:59] <leftyfb> riex: can we help you with something?
[15:00] <riex> i know u like the song!
[15:01] <riex> I know everything, so I dont need help. lol
[15:01] <riex> I'm calling you up to getting down, down, down :P
[15:02] <OerHeks> time to read the topic, riex, there is also #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:02] <riex> So i broke the rules lol?
[15:02] <riex> take it easy dude
[15:02] <riex> Ive been here for years.
[15:03] <riex> If you got a problem with me, just ignore me, thanks!
[15:12] <SimonNL> riex!*@* added to ignore list.
[15:12] <lordcirth_> riex, it is unreasonable to expect all 1169 people in here to have to ignore you, when you could just not spam.
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> jerware: ntpd is not a server, it only manages the local machine. For more information look at "man ntpd" or look at https://linux.die.net/man/8/ntpd
[15:17] <jerware> pragmaticenigma: is that what's used on workstations to keep synced?
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> jerware: It's used on nearly all machine types to keep themselves in sync with a defined timeserver.
[15:18] <jerware> ahh yes, that's what I'm looking for.  thanks.
[15:18] <jerware> so if ntpd is for that, then what is the daemon on that defined timeserver?
[15:21] <Ool> timesyncd works for time client
[15:21] <jerware> doesn't timesynd use ntpd ?
[15:22] <leftyfb> chronyd can be used as a time server between machines
[15:23] <Ool> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/NTP.html
[16:13] <stoned> Hi is it possible to make grep to exclude * but only include *.txt ?
[16:17] <lordcirth_> stoned, not sure what you mean.
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> stoned: Might need a little information... are you asking if you can restrict grep to searching only files with a .txt extension?
[16:21] <leftyfb> stoned: grep $STRING *.txt
[16:25] <stoned>  grep -HIFnir --exclude=\*.{sql,html,js,css,tmp} --exclude-dir={.svn,tmp,uploads,menuicon,osimages,ioncube} 'STR_REGION' /var/www/project199
[16:25] <stoned> Something like that
[16:25] <stoned> Trying to only search through php files
[16:25] <stoned> once I get the grep command right, I'll put that into exec in php
[16:25] <stoned> web based greppy tool for code.
[16:25] <stoned> don't ask.
[16:26] <stoned> I wonder if you can exclude pattern *
[16:26] <stoned> everything! and then include only pattern .php\
[16:27] <stoned> that way grep is faster and doesn't have to go through 3 kinds of code files
[16:27] <stoned> I can make it search through only php or only js or only css or only css
[16:27] <stoned> etc.
[16:27] <stoned> Does that make sense what I need to do?
[16:27] <stoned>  grep -HIFnir --exclude=\*.* --include=*.php --exclude-dir={.svn,tmp,uploads,menuicon,osimages,ioncube} 'STR_REGION' /var/www/project199
[16:28] <stoned> something like that maybe?
[16:28] <stoned> I don't even know.
[16:28] <leftyfb> !enter | stoned
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> stoned: Instead of trying to do everything at once, do them in separate operations. Side bar, this isn't a programming channel, You really should be asking questions like this on stack exchange or other forums dedicated to software developemnt
[16:28] <leftyfb> grep *.php
[16:28] <leftyfb> grep -HIFnir 'STR_REGION' /var/www/project999
[16:29] <stoned> yes, include and exclude in that manner work.
[16:29] <stoned> I figured it's a linux thing ask in my distro channel
[16:29] <stoned> np
[16:30] <stoned> grep -HIFnir --exclude=\*.* --include=*.php  --exclude-dir={.svn,tmp,uploads,menuicon,osimages,ioncube} 'STR_REGION'
[16:30] <stoned> That's brilliant.
[16:35] <leftyfb> stoned: if you're only searching php files, why bother excluding or including anything else?
[16:35] <leftyfb> grep -HIFnir 'STR_REGION' /var/www/project999/*.php
[16:35] <stoned> Sometimes I Want to search js and php files
[16:35] <stoned> sometimes html and js files
[16:35] <stoned> sometones only one kind
[16:36] <leftyfb> then specify those
[16:36] <leftyfb> it's stupid go include/exclude all the rest
[16:36] <stoned> how glob?
[16:36] <leftyfb> :/
[16:36] <leftyfb> grep -HIFnir 'STR_REGION' /var/www/project999/*.php
[16:36] <stoned> /var/www/project999/*.{php,js}
[16:36] <leftyfb> sure
[16:36] <stoned> still learning grep
[16:36] <stoned> brilliant tool
[16:38] <stoned> that gives a much more limited result and not the same result set
[16:39] <stoned> include exclude patterns seem to work better
[16:39] <leftyfb> I don't see how
[16:39] <leftyfb> *.{php,js} will grep ALL php and js files. period
[16:40] <leftyfb> including those and excluding everything else will do nothing different
[16:41] <stoned> you want me to show you in screenshots or output?
[16:41] <stoned> trust me, the output is different
[16:41] <stoned> don't belive me, then test it.
[16:42] <leftyfb> add in -l and see what files both of them find
[16:42] <B|ack0p> hi. i am getting this error when i try to run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" command :
[16:43] <B|ack0p> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:43] <leftyfb> stoned: from there, grep those files that don't show up in both manually
[16:43] <B|ack0p> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[16:43] <stoned> hangon
[16:43] <leftyfb> !paste | B|ack0p
[16:43] <stoned> phone call at work
[16:43] <B|ack0p> it was just 2 lines
[16:43] <OerHeks> looks like unbattended updates is running after boot, blackop
[16:43] <OerHeks> just be patient
[16:43] <leftyfb> B|ack0p: either wait, or reboot
[16:43] <B|ack0p> reboot fixes it?
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> B|ack0p: no
[16:43] <leftyfb> B|ack0p: depends on what is running
[16:44] <B|ack0p> i am not sure what is running :S
[16:44] <B|ack0p> i newly booted
[16:44] <leftyfb> B|ack0p: if it's unattended updates, no. If it's something you ran somewhere else and didn't finish or exit properly, maybe
[16:44] <B|ack0p> does ubuntu run automatic update like windows 10 or what?
[16:44] <leftyfb> B|ack0p: ok, then wait a bit longer
[16:44] <leftyfb> try now
[16:44] <leftyfb> B|ack0p: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.html
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> B|ack0p: Presently the key servers for Ubuntu are having issues. Unless configured otherwise, your machine checks for package updates after boots and on a regular schedule. With the key servers down, it's probably waiting for the servers to respond. During that time, other processes will not be able to access apt/dpkg resources
[16:45] <B|ack0p> yesterday i faced something that when i did "sudo reboot" on terminal it tried to update something on logout screen
[16:45] <B|ack0p> ah i just received Software Updater popup
[16:46] <B|ack0p> ok update command working now.. it seems software updater was checking updates after i boot..
[16:47] <B|ack0p> i was hurry to run update command in terminal i think
[16:47] <B|ack0p> pff it was opera update.. i thought something important
[16:47] <OerHeks> :-)
[16:48] <leftyfb> so not an ubuntu package at all
[16:48] <B|ack0p> lol no
[16:49] <B|ack0p> well i wish there was an update to fix issues in my old T60 :p
[16:51] <B|ack0p> another issue is while watching netflix on firefox sound is not pure
[16:51] <B|ack0p> probably sound driver issue
[16:52] <B|ack0p> what can i do for that?
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> B|ack0p: Buy a new machine
[16:59] <Habbie> B|ack0p, sometimes my audio goes bad (debian, thinkpad x1, but still) - if i then go to audio settings (in gnome, in my case) and switch the output device to another one and back, audio is good again
[17:00] <B|ack0p> Habbie: hmm
[17:01] <B|ack0p> there are 2 devices in Sound settings :
[17:01] <B|ack0p> 1- Digital Output (S/PDIF) - Built in Audio
[17:01] <B|ack0p> 2- Speakers - Built in Audio
[17:01] <B|ack0p> 1 doesnt work
[17:01] <B|ack0p> 2 works but bad sound
[17:02] <Habbie> i have 3, of which 2 come out of my speakers
[17:02] <B|ack0p> sorry your method didnt work for T60
[17:02] <Sven_vB> gparted takes forever trying to read /dev/sdb partitions. any ideas where I can see why?
[17:02] <Habbie> B|ack0p, too bad
[17:02] <B|ack0p> Habbie:  T60 is grand grand grand father of your X1 :p
[17:02] <Habbie> Sven_vB, what is /dev/sdb?
[17:02] <Habbie> B|ack0p, i figured :)
[17:03] <B|ack0p> well X1 is not true blood Thinkpad unfortunately :/
[17:03] <Sven_vB> Habbie, a USB thumb drive
[17:03] <Sven_vB> Habbie, I suspect my kernel is confused because I copied an image onto the device (the entire block device, no partition) while gparted was still open (idle)
[17:04] <Habbie> Sven_vB, ah, that may need some kind of kick - reopening gparted might even do it
[17:04] <kinghat> is it possible to leave a firefox extension shortcut to nothing?
[17:04] <Sven_vB> Habbie, no, I killed and re-opened gparted several times
[17:05] <Sven_vB> Habbie, I also un- and replugged the thumb drive in each attempt
[17:06] <Sven_vB> now I tried with another thumb drive, same problem. maybe a module that handles USB TDs is crashed?
[17:06] <Sven_vB> oh cool it settled
[17:08] <Sven_vB> on a side note: how can I convince nautilus's places sidebar to show me all partitions on my USB thumbdrive, even those with boot/esp flags?
[17:09] <Habbie> Sven_vB, replugging should solve any 'kernel confused' problems, so i don't know what happened there
[17:17] <Sven_vB> I'm now in fdisk and I managed to set up all partitions except the end sector of p1 is wrong. what's the easiest way to change it?
[17:18] <Sven_vB> do I need to delete that partition first? what other meta data would I need to write down except start/end and whether it has a boot flag?
[17:22] <Sven_vB> well, yolo. in the worst case I'll just restore the MBR again.
[17:24] <Sven_vB> cross-posted to #systemd: is there a kernel option to tell my Bionic live USB systemd I want to login in text mode asap and stuff like network isn't required for now?
[17:24] <Sven_vB> I use "2" for now but still lots of bloat is loaded
[17:34] <roger_padactor> where should I place my uploaded files for a website. the location would also need access from a remote windows machine to sftp files to that folder.  currently we can them as c:/file/ on windows but we are moving to ubuntu server
[17:36] <OerHeks> the webserver gets his files from /var/www/ as user www-data. so a new folder under /var/ could be logical.
[17:38] <roger_padactor> that is what we were thinking, the issue is when the windows machine sftps a pdf over that needs access through the web interface how do we automatically give is www-data permissions ?
[17:39] <bviktor> hi, how do i find out why firefox keeps failing my downloads? only in my user, but in my user it happens with a clean profile too. ubuntu 18.04
[17:40] <lordcirth_> bviktor, what happens? The download hangs? Errors?
[17:40] <bviktor> "failed"
[17:40] <bviktor> not a single byte is downloaded
[17:41] <bviktor> works fine in other browsers, works fine for other users on this same computer
[17:42] <bviktor> but in firefox, in my user, it fails no matter what
[17:45] <lordcirth_> bviktor, try using curl -v and see if anything weird shows
[17:47] <bviktor> cant see any errors, and the file downloads fine
[17:48] <p0a> Hello how can I check why my ubuntu failed to boot the last 2-3 times (then worked?)
[18:02] <Sven_vB> how do I change the font size or resolution of a text TTY?
[18:03] <Sven_vB> or text console it's called I think
[18:03] <Sven_vB> text TTY seems redundant :)
[18:07] <lordcirth_> p0a, how did it fail? What did you see?
[18:16] <sweb> lordcirth_: problem solved, it's problem for firewall. also seems be tinc is single thread i try to replace it with wireguard
[18:16] <lordcirth_> sweb, good to know
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: TTY => TeleTYpewriter
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Also, I believe this will help configure your TTY session: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> complete instructions here: https://askubuntu.com/a/940218
[18:40] <p0a> lordcirth_: stuck on `ubuntu' loadup screen
[18:40] <lordcirth_> p0a, remove 'quiet splash' from your grub entry in /etc/default/grub. Then the next time it happens it might say why.
[18:41] <lordcirth_> (and run update-grub)
[18:43] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, thanks, I'll try!
[18:49] <donofrio> what is the group for lxde-desktop?
[18:49] <donofrio> package group I mean
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> !info lubuntu-desktop | donofrio
[18:50] <p0a> lordcirth_: thank you
[18:51] <donofrio> when I installed xfce4.14 on my rpi4b when I tried networking icon in the gui my rpi restarted.....so I figure that is rasbian uses lxde so I figure I should remake the sd card but this time skip my normal steps (tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk) and change out xfce4 for lxde goodness?
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio: the RPi4 platform is still pretty new and packages may not have had all the bugs worked out for that device. You'll need to check the documentation for the RPi Ubuntu image for more information
[18:59] <OerHeks> there is no ubuntu mate out yet, for rpi4 ...
[19:03] <donofrio> OerHeks, yah as this blog states "fine, we'll do it ourselves" - thanos'esk (https://jamesachambers.com/raspberry-pi-4-ubuntu-server-desktop-18-04-3-image-unofficial/)
[19:04] <OerHeks> good luck
[19:04] <donofrio> it's working just figured I'd share
[19:08] <donofrio> my issue is probably because I'm not using an rpi4b powersupply just my note8 usb charger.....so when I 'task it too much' it hates back lol
[19:09] <Sven_vB> Habbie, gparted hanging earlier probably was an electrical problem inside the thumb drive. squeezing it helped.
[19:09] <Habbie> Sven_vB, oh fun!
[19:09] <Sven_vB> yeah.
[20:06] <dbugger> Why could it be that I need to change the volume of my system (with software) for it to work?
[20:07] <OerHeks> dbugger, that would be considered a bug
[20:08] <dbugger> OerHeks, could it be a hardware issue?
[20:08] <dbugger> i mean, not a problem at OS level?
[20:09] <OerHeks> i think it is on software level, not properly detected or something like that
[20:10] <OerHeks> without hardware info/ 8 digit hex number of the sound device, driver, os version and kernel, hard to say if it is a known issue
[20:12] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[20:28] <de-facto> Does Nautilus support drag and drop multiple files from one folder to another (moving the files)?
[20:28] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi guys
[20:30] <de-facto> when i select multiple files in the preview mode and try to drag them to another folder Nautilus does some crap thing and looses the selection?!
[20:31] <OerHeks> drag & drop works fine, multiple files
[20:32] <de-facto> how do i drag multiple files?
[20:33] <de-facto> is there some secret keycode for that?
[20:35] <de-facto> sometimes i really dont understand Gnome Devs and their weird defaults: https://itsfoss.com/fix-drag-drop-ubuntu/
[20:36] <de-facto> seems gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.preferences use-experimental-views false fixes this bug
[20:37] <de-facto> instead of removing useful functionality they really should remove unintuitive behaviour like this
[20:38] <hggdh> de-facto: unset (false) is the default
[20:39] <de-facto> hmm i cant remember to have set this to true, did find it with google only after i encountered this weird behaviour
[20:51] <alexandrdvorkin> hi guys
[20:53] <alexandrdvorkin> I am trying to install xchat but it returns package not found
[20:53] <alexandrdvorkin> can somebody tell me how to modify my sources.list file so that I can install xchat
[20:54] <lordcirth_> alexandrdvorkin, xchat is long obsolete and removed from the repos. Install 'hexchat'.
[20:55] <alexandrdvorkin> I get unable to locate hexchat
[20:55] <kostkon> alexandrdvorkin, snap install hexchat
[20:55] <leftyfb> you don't need to use snap
[20:55] <leftyfb> sudo apt install hexchat
[20:55] <leftyfb> it's part of the universe repo
[20:55] <leftyfb> alexandrdvorkin: sudo add-apt-repository universe ; sudo apt install hexchat
[20:56] <lordcirth_> What installs don't have universe enabled by default?
[20:56] <leftyfb> don't know, just being sure. If they still have a problem, we go from there
[21:01] <alexandrdvorkin> ok thanks that worked
[21:02] <alexandrdvorkin> thank You
[21:02] <grammoboy2> upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04, do-release-upgrade -d, no release found. Huh?
[21:03] <alexandrdvorkin> now the reason i am bugging You guys is that i am trying to install the touchpad driver on my Macbook running ubuntu on USB flashdrive right now i am using external usb keyboard and mouse
[21:04] <Bashing-om> grammoboy2: -d == development --- release 18.04 has long been out of development :P
[21:04] <grammoboy2> Bashing-om, ah
[21:05] <Bashing-om> grammoboy2: As long as 14.04 has been EOL - I can accept that you willnot have to go the EOL upgrade path;
[21:05] <Bashing-om> !eol | grammoboy2
[21:05] <Bashing-om> galeido: not/now*
[21:14] <humblewolf> rescuing ubuntu using systemrcd 4.3 (2014 version, i;m stuck with this), unable to mount ubuntu's partition in systemrcd's gentoo , any help ???
[21:16] <alexandrdvorkin> can someone explain me how to run the command on that link to install the driver for Macbook touchpad
[21:16] <alexandrdvorkin> https://github.com/cb22/macbook12-spi-driver
[21:17] <grammoboy2> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/HEHKAjMk
[21:18] <grammoboy2> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/jpUi8rEi
[21:18] <alexandrdvorkin> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu# git clone https://github.com/cb22/macbook12-spi-driver.git /usr/src/applespi-0.1
[21:18] <alexandrdvorkin> Command 'git' not found, but can be installed with:
[21:18] <alexandrdvorkin> apt install git
[21:19] <alexandrdvorkin> what am i doing wrong
[21:19] <grammoboy2> Bashing-om, want to go from 14.04 to 16.04
[21:20] <alexandrdvorkin> can somebody help install the Macbook touchpad driver at https://github.com/cb22/macbook12-spi-driver
[21:20] <Bashing-om> grammoboy2: looking ,
[21:21] <humblewolf> rescuing ubuntu using systemrcd 4.3 (2014 version, i;m stuck with this), unable to mount ubuntu's partition in systemrcd's gentoo , any help ???
[21:21] <humblewolf> this is deperate situation for us guys
[21:21] <Aavar> alexandrdvorkin: The error tells you that git is not installed. Install with "sudo apt install git"- then run the command again.
[21:22] <alexandrdvorkin> thank you Aavar
[21:23] <alexandrdvorkin> Aavar i ran the command
[21:23] <alexandrdvorkin> at the end i get depmod....
[21:23] <alexandrdvorkin> Warning: Unable to find an initial ram disk that I know how to handle.
[21:23] <alexandrdvorkin> Will not try to make an initrd.
[21:23] <alexandrdvorkin> DKMS: install completed.
[21:23] <alexandrdvorkin> do you think the driver installed successfully
[21:23] <OerHeks> !paste
[21:24] <Aavar> alexandrdvorkin: I have no idea :) sorry
[21:25] <alexandrdvorkin> ok i ll try to reboot and disconnect my exteranl keyboard and see if the macbook tochpoud workign be right back
[21:29] <grammoboy2> Bashing-om, no trusty here it seems http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[21:31] <Bashing-om> grammoboy2: called away - be back soonest.
[21:31] <grammoboy2> Bashing-om, no LTS versions there?
[21:31] <grammoboy2> hm
[21:32] <OerHeks> trusty is not EOL, so not in old-releases
[21:32] <OerHeks> !trusty
[21:32] <OerHeks> oh, wait
[21:35] <grammoboy2> Bashing-om, precise is there, so LTS version there, but no trusty
[21:36] <grammoboy2> odd
[21:41] <Bashing-om> grammoboy2: I can accept that the trusty repository has yet to be rolled to old-releases. With the old sources.list file restored; what results ' sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo do-release-upgrade' ?
[21:42] <alexandrdvorkin> hey Aavar how come after I rebooted the hexchat is uninstalled again
[21:43] <humblewolf> locked out of remote unmanaged server, ssh blocked by firewall, any solution ?????????????????
[21:43] <OerHeks> " after I rebooted the hexchat is uninstalled again" .. that only happens on a live iso
[21:44] <alexandrdvorkin> how do I know if I have live iso
[21:45] <OerHeks> yeah, right
[21:46] <alexandrdvorkin> how do I check if my version is live iso
[21:46] <OerHeks> you would know if you booted from cd/usb
[21:46] <alexandrdvorkin> I am booting from USB flash drive
[21:47] <OerHeks> ]on a live session, you can install anything, it snoops system memory but does not save
[21:48] <alexandrdvorkin> and now the command sudo add-apt-repository-universe is not working
[21:49] <OerHeks> one "-"too many
[21:49] <alexandrdvorkin> what’s the right command
[21:49] <OerHeks> universe is a separate word
[21:50] <alexandrdvorkin> ok got it
[21:51] <alexandrdvorkin> OerHeks can You help me install the driver for MacBook touchpad and mouse to work I AM USING THE EXTERNAL KEYBOARD right now on MACBOOK
[21:52] <OerHeks> why would you do that on a live session?> to make it work, you need to reboot
[21:52] <OerHeks> so, no.
[21:52] <alexandrdvorkin> i have the link for the driver link
[21:53] <OerHeks> install ubuntu first on a harddisk. then come back
[21:53] <alexandrdvorkin> hold on I connect from Hexchat and show the link
[21:57] <aleksandrdvorkin> the driver installation for Macbook touchpad is not working
[21:57] <aleksandrdvorkin> https://github.com/cb22/macbook12-spi-driver
[21:58] <aleksandrdvorkin> is somebody running ubuntu on Macbook
[22:08] <codster> Hello. Question, I have a stderr being redirected to a pipe... how do a read data from "pipe:[72534]"?  my ls commands gives:  l-wx------ 1 postgres postgres 64 Sep 12 21:56 /proc/1131/fd/2 -> pipe:[72534]
[22:08] <grammoboy2> Bashing-om, that's going to dist upgrade. fingers crossed
[22:09] <Bashing-om> grammoboy2: Either - but with apt is prefered ' full-upgrade ' .
[22:12] <Bashing-om> grammoboy2: Oh ..nvidia proprietary graphics ? revert then to nouveau !
[22:14] <grammoboy2> Bashing-om, religious reason or practical? :)
[22:15] <grammoboy2> I was starting with Dapper Drake 6.06, but those good old days seems to be gone. A little less hype around Ubuntu it seems
[22:16] <grammoboy2> Focus on clouds and support of companies it seems. Lost the war on the Desktop for the mass
[22:17] <grammoboy2> Too bad, but nothing to say on tablets and phones. A real pity.
[22:17] <p0a> lost the war on desktop?
[22:17] <p0a> i dont think so
[22:17] <grammoboy2> it never got above 2%, be realistic
[22:17] <p0a> it was 100% actually
[22:17] <p0a> in terms of quality
[22:18] <p0a> it was 2% of people who recognized that, but who cares
[22:18] <grammoboy2> the more popular the more useful apps in the real world
[22:18] <p0a> cr...aps you mean
[22:19] <grammoboy2> Ubuntu was very good at one point, really digging it, I agree. But then the end-user apps where behind
[22:20] <p0a> Most people don't know how to turn off a computer
[22:20] <grammoboy2> And then the world moved away from the Desktop. Ubuntu being too late on the smartphone/tabled world
[22:20] <p0a> too late or too dignified to join
[22:21] <grammoboy2> might have to try lineageos now
[22:21] <grammoboy2> for phone
[22:22] <grammoboy2> as realistic 'alternative'
[22:22] <p0a> it's not the OS that's the issue with phones
[22:22] <grammoboy2> I should have donated more :)
[22:23] <grammoboy2> but I'm a happy Linux user for sure
[22:24] <grammoboy2> for now.... if the dist-upgrade gets screwed, I might change views for a few days :)
[22:25] <p0a> where is the source of lineageos? https://github.com/LineageOS
[22:27] <k18e> Is there a way to configure the composer key in 19.04 or do I need to install gnome tweaks for that
[23:16] <humblewolf> I have mounted a ubuntu 18 partition in recovery mode, how what can i do so that i disables firewall or allows ssh at startup ???
[23:51] <OerHeks> sudo ufw allow ssh # would do to set firewall properly
[23:52] <HumanSheeple> Hi I have an ubuntu VPS with an outdated Kernel, is it still possible to host a basic website on it? I mean how do I get to the point where I can type in an ip address and an html file can pop up in someone's browser?
[23:53] <OerHeks> HumanSheeple, we get losts of questions about VPNs and outdated kernels, ask that vendor for a proper kernel. it is a crime, in my eyes, to use such vulnerable instance.
[23:55] <HumanSheeple> Well I think they advertise Ubuntu 16 or whatever they hide the fact the kernel is out of date, you pay the money you get your log in, you try everything to update it then you email them back and they say well we didn't advertise that but if you want to upgrade to linux 5.2 you have to pay $600
[23:55] <OerHeks> ubuntu 16 is still supported, it gives nt the latest kernel, but a stable and patched one.
[23:56] <HumanSheeple> OK so working with what I've got for now, how do I get a index.html or whatever so I type in the VPS IP address the website pops up, what do I need to do?
[23:56] <HumanSheeple> Is there a guide to do that?
[23:56] <HumanSheeple> A lot of the youtube videos say oh you have to pay for this software that does it all for you and it is closed source loaded with backdoors
[23:57] <OerHeks> install a LAMP server
[23:57] <OerHeks> !lamp
[23:57] <HumanSheeple> I don't mind learning, I don't mind coding
[23:57] <HumanSheeple> Right so I got to research the heck out of Lamp, got it
[23:57] <OerHeks> tons of guides about that.