| BluesKaj | Hi all | 11:13 |
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| santa_ | good afternoon everybody | 15:27 |
| santa_ | RikMills: If you have a few minutes I would like to discuss a few things about packaging/KA | 15:27 |
| RikMills | santa_: ok | 15:27 |
| santa_ | ok, so first of all, last time I checked there was an empty binary package for kdesignerplugin | 15:28 |
| santa_ | http://tritemio-groomlake.duckdns.org/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_frameworks.html | 15:29 |
| santa_ | ↑ I have inspected the thing and I think that empty binary package must be removed | 15:29 |
| santa_ | it used to provide qt designer plugins, which are now located in the -dev packages of frameworks | 15:30 |
| RikMills | yes | 15:30 |
| santa_ | also, being a qt designer plugin package nothing should build depend on it, unless we did that by mistake | 15:31 |
| santa_ | so, if you agree, I'm going to remove the bin package in question and proceed with yet another test rebuild of everything (just in case) | 15:32 |
| RikMills | Reverse-Build-Depends | 15:33 |
| RikMills | ===================== | 15:33 |
| RikMills | * akonadi (for kdesignerplugin) | 15:33 |
| RikMills | * akonadi (for kgendesignerplugin) | 15:33 |
| RikMills | * kdelibs4support (for kdesignerplugin) | 15:33 |
| RikMills | * kdelibs4support (for kgendesignerplugin) | 15:33 |
| RikMills | * kpimtextedit (for kgendesignerplugin) | 15:33 |
| RikMills | * plasma-workspace (for kgendesignerplugin) | 15:33 |
| RikMills | * skrooge (for kgendesignerplugin) | 15:33 |
| santa_ | so we must fix akonadi and kdelibs4support then | 15:33 |
| RikMills | build depends originate in debian | 15:35 |
| santa_ | it's like the intro of fallout | 15:36 |
| santa_ | "Debian. Debian never changes." | 15:36 |
| santa_ | that being said, if you agree, I would do this change locally and test rebuild all of plasma and applications, just in case | 15:37 |
| santa_ | I could start tonight with that, as soon as my servers finish the current build of apps 19.08 | 15:38 |
| RikMills | akonadi: find_package(KF5DesignerPlugin ${KF5_MIN_VERSION} CONFIG) | 15:38 |
| santa_ | so the build depend was probably put there by their "wonderful" tooling | 15:40 |
| santa_ | anyway that find_package will probably suceed without the kdesignerplugin binary package installed | 15:41 |
| santa_ | because right now it doesn't install any files, and akonadi and kdelibs4support were sucessfully built, even against that empty binary package | 15:42 |
| santa_ | any further comments? | 15:44 |
| RikMills | bd on kgendesignerplugin as well, so probably succeeds on that | 15:44 |
| RikMills | nope. if things still build, that is fine | 15:44 |
| santa_ | yes, I think that's the one it should build depend on | 15:44 |
| santa_ | ok, so I will test this change asap, probably tonight | 15:45 |
| santa_ | next topic [y/n]? | 15:45 |
| RikMills | please do test asap, as I would like to get fw 5.62 in as soon as possible | 15:46 |
| RikMills | there is Qt 5.12.5 coming very soon! | 15:46 |
| santa_ | ok ok | 15:46 |
| RikMills | Y | 15:46 |
| santa_ | ok, next thing is something which has been done the wrong[*] way for a long time in kubuntu, neon and debian | 15:47 |
| santa_ | [*] wrong, wrong, wrong, very wrong, WRONG, WROOOOOONG | 15:48 |
| RikMills | o_O | 15:48 |
| santa_ | this may not be the best example, but: | 15:50 |
| santa_ | https://packaging.neon.kde.org/kde/kactivities-stats.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=e5ff60a047a0845ae1537c42856fe945850ef520 | 15:50 |
| santa_ | probably that file | 15:51 |
| santa_ | /usr/share/qlogging-categories5/kactivities-stats.categories | 15:51 |
| santa_ | should go into a -data package | 15:51 |
| santa_ | I doubt very much that file path would change with an soversion bump | 15:52 |
| RikMills | I thought about it, but deferred that to see what debian did | 15:53 |
| santa_ | with 'debian' you mean the 'bright individual' in charge of kde packages | 15:55 |
| * RikMills shrugs | 15:56 | |
| RikMills | I was just thinking what sort of delta to fix would be the lesser of 2 evils to fix | 15:56 |
| * RikMills removes one fix there | 15:56 | |
| santa_ | this is probably how the guy works (note that incompetent people is difficult to predict): | 15:58 |
| santa_ | - if he does the file addition, he will probably get it wrong | 15:59 |
| santa_ | - if he merges from neon and it's wrong in neon, he will keep it wrong | 15:59 |
| santa_ | - if he merges from neon and it's right in neon, he will probably keep it right | 16:00 |
| santa_ | in any case, this is my general recommendation for you for this kind of file additions: | 16:01 |
| santa_ | - get it right in neon | 16:01 |
| santa_ | - see what debian's 'bright individual' doesn | 16:01 |
| RikMills | I will keep that in mind | 16:01 |
| santa_ | - if he does it wrong, file an RC bug against the package in debian | 16:02 |
| santa_ | (yes, you can do that) | 16:02 |
| santa_ | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html#shared-library-support-files | 16:02 |
| santa_ | it's a violation of a must policy | 16:02 |
| santa_ | last time I checked that qualifies for an RC bug | 16:03 |
| santa_ | and if he refuses to fix it, as far as I know, you can call debian's technical committee | 16:04 |
| RikMills | that seems a tad much | 16:04 |
| santa_ | just FYI | 16:06 |
| RikMills | understood | 16:07 |
| santa_ | in any case he already uploaded fw 5.61 to experimental, so he will probably do the file addition himsels, so he will probably do it wrong | 16:07 |
| santa_ | s/himsels/himself/ | 16:07 |
| santa_ | anyway, maybe it's a bit late to fix kactivities-stats since the official release of 5.62 is going to be soon | 16:10 |
| santa_ | but please keep this in mind in the future | 16:10 |
| santa_ | and if they refuse to fix it in debian, please slap the debian policy 8.2 in their faces | 16:11 |
| santa_ | they don't even respect their own policy | 16:11 |
| RikMills | ok | 16:13 |
| santa_ | so... | 16:13 |
| santa_ | move to the next topic [y/n]? | 16:13 |
| RikMills | y | 16:15 |
| santa_ | ok, now KA | 16:16 |
| santa_ | last time we talked we discussed some changes about ubuntu_info.py | 16:16 |
| santa_ | I was able to make one of the changes and the other one was a circular impossibility so I couldn't make it | 16:17 |
| santa_ | anyway the result isn't bad imho | 16:17 |
| santa_ | what I could do is moving the ubuntu releases and versions map, which is now in ka-metadata | 16:17 |
| santa_ | specifically in ubuntu-release-info.json | 16:18 |
| santa_ | what I couldn't do is having the :ubuntu-devel: thing in the configuration file | 16:19 |
| santa_ | so for each ubuntu release we would have to update that JSON file in ka-metadata and the default config file | 16:19 |
| santa_ | but we don't have to alter the code, so it's already much better than what we had imho | 16:20 |
| RikMills | fair enough | 16:20 |
| santa_ | last but not least, for 2.4 and above I made a draft of a new data file, which would take over some config variables | 16:21 |
| santa_ | this one: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/ka/+git/ka-metadata/commit/?id=5e32f28620e7e743b6aa20e2d0d42be62ba501c3 | 16:22 |
| santa_ | I think that way is going to be much easier to add new package sets | 16:23 |
| santa_ | keep in mind that we could have new 'release types' in the future | 16:24 |
| santa_ | such as 'frameworks6' 'kde-req' 'kde-extra'... | 16:25 |
| santa_ | so I have the impression it will be easier to manage it that way | 16:25 |
| RikMills | sounds that way | 16:26 |
| santa_ | so to sum up, for new ubuntu releases: | 16:26 |
| santa_ | 2.3 -> update default config and ubuntu-release-info.json | 16:27 |
| santa_ | >= 2.4 -> update default config, git-remotes.json and default branches @ ubuntu-release-info.json | 16:28 |
| santa_ | any questions? | 16:29 |
| RikMills | don't think so | 16:30 |
| santa_ | ok, thank you very much for your attention and you time, I will try to test the kdesginerplugin thing asap | 16:32 |
| RikMills | santa_: thank you for all that :) | 16:33 |
| santa_ | no prob | 16:33 |
| RikMills | mamarley @DarinMiller have you tested frameworks 5.62 ins staging? | 19:16 |
| mamarley | RikMills: Yep, no problems here. Thanks for the hard work! | 19:16 |
| RikMills | great. hopefully that will be ok for a FFE | 19:17 |
| mamarley | If you want me to post my experience on the request somewhere, I would be happy to. | 19:18 |
| RikMills | mamarley: LP: #1843866 | 19:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1843866 in plasma-framework (Ubuntu) "[FFe] KDE Frameworks 5.62.0 into Eoan archive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843866 | 19:20 |
| RikMills | :) | 19:20 |
| RikMills | not even released yet, but I am getting ready! | 19:20 |
| mamarley | Done :) | 19:21 |
| RikMills | TY :D | 19:22 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> Are there openconnect 8 Builds for 18.04 anywhere? | 21:30 |
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