[04:11] <mint> hi
 Hi mint how can we help you
[04:35] <mint> im new to xubuntu and ubuntu.
[04:35] <mint> and also new to linux Mint and new to GEntoo
 This channel is for Lubuntu support
 Just as an fyi
 But please continue
[04:36] <mint> but some of my probs are linux-specific, and not lubuntu specific
[04:36] <mint> maybe this isnt the place for it then, but...
[04:36] <mint> im using an older version of xubuntu and older version of Gentoo as well.
[04:37] <mint> and I CANNOT get the APT package mangaer on xubuntu to get and install anything
[04:37] <mint> also the Ubuntu Center wont work either
[04:37] <mint> but im using version 11.10 of xubuntu, burned onto a Live CD back in 2018...
 Hmm are you on Freenode?
 The best thing you could do since this involves multiple Linux distros is to try #linux on Freenode
 Right but to be fair this is Lubuntu support not necessarily Xubuntu support
 Are you strictly limited to just a burned cd copy?
 Or do you have access to a flash drive to attempt to run another distro just to rule out any issues with the burned cd?
[04:53] <mint> i can only use DVD right now
[04:53] <mint> live DVD
[04:54] <mint> i was just wondering: could the fact that I ahve no hard drive mounted on my PC prevent package managers and repositories from working?
[05:08] <wxl> ##linux he means
[05:09] <wxl> also there's #xubuntu
[05:09] <wxl> and it looks like #gentoo
[05:10] <wxl> 11.10 is end of life a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago and is unsupported, so you will likely get no help for that
[05:10] <wxl> the problem you're facing is that there are no repositories of software for a version that old
[05:11] <guiverc> mint, you can add packages on a 'live' system, but the repos for EOL releases aren't there anymore (they get moved to old-releases; so won't be found by default)
[05:11] <wxl> and the install path to 19.04 (current version; a whole **SEVEN YEARS NEWER**) is unsupported as well and could cause all sorts of breakage
[05:12] <wxl> know that both mint and xubuntu are ubuntu based so that's going to apply to all the above (yes, lubuntu, too)
[05:12] <wxl> and gentoo.. why??? X'''''D
[05:13] <mint> mint is based upon ubuntu? did not know that...
[05:14] <mint> its a thousand times better, from what ive experienced so far...
[05:14] <wxl> yeah. mint is mostly just ubuntu.
[05:14] <wxl> they have a couple tweaks of their own.
[05:15] <mint> like a streamlined, rock-solid, reskin?
[05:15] <wxl> realizing that "ubuntu" REALLY means a collection of software
[05:15] <mint> yeah.... like every OS is
[05:15] <wxl> not exactly
[05:15] <wxl> windows is always window
[05:15] <wxl> s
[05:15] <wxl> os x, too
[05:15] <guiverc> mint concentrate on visual tweaks; and are happy to have a reduced security model to achieve it... nothing is without costs..  (you can tweak mint up to ubuntu standards but it's not hte default)
[05:16] <mint> damn seriously, guiverc? Cuz I ve heard that ubuntu is already borderline NSA spyware to begi with... and you're telling me Mint is even LESS secure?
[05:17] <mint> like it's got backdoors and stuff?
[05:17] <mint> deliberately made probe-able, etc.?
[05:17] <wxl> kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu mate, ubuntu budgie, ubuntu studio, and ubuntu kylin are all selections of software from the ubuntu repositories
[05:18] <wxl> where have you heard this?
[05:18] <guiverc> I think privacy != security myself; no not backdoors... just decisions made ..  you can use same model of security but lose many of the 'mint' tweaks...   Mint allow use of unsupported software (from EOL ubuntu releases) etc - neither mint nor *ubuntu have backdoors
[05:18] <mint> So while we are on this topic...: what would be the MOST secure in the world? ARchlinux? Slackware? Linux-From-Scrach?
[05:19] <mint> openBSD?
[05:19] <wxl> roll your own
[05:19] <mint> wxl: WIlder's Security Forums
[05:19] <wxl> ........ but also know what you're doing
[05:19] <wxl> mint: link to the post discussing the topic specifically, please
[05:19] <mint> man that was WAYYYY back!
[05:20] <mint> back in the days when i was a winblows user...
[05:20] <mint> not a linux user
[05:20] <mint> yet
[05:21] <wxl> paranoia is great, but so is skepticism.
[05:21] <mint> i ve heard DEbian, REdhat, Fedora, Ubuntu, and every Ubuntu derivative has been deliberately weakened/backdoored/etc. for mass-surveillance purposes.
[05:21] <mint> ive never done anything illegal in my entire life so im not worried/scared...
[05:22] <wxl> and given that the code is entirely open source so this would be obvious, where's the mechanism?
[05:22] <mint> i dunno. im the newbie here...
[05:22] <mint> lol
[05:22] <guiverc> backdoors are easier to hide in closed-source..
[05:22] <mint> of course
[05:22] <mint> but open source that zillions of lines long...
[05:23] <mint> and cannont be "vetted" 100%
[05:23] <wxl> sure it can
[05:23] <mint> but dont worry im not paranoid
[05:23] <wxl> uhh huh
[05:24] <wxl> and on that note, o/
[05:24] <guiverc> catherdral and the bazaar issue - which isn't Lubuntu support.
[05:24] <mint> and have nothing to hide anyway...
[05:24] <mint> ok i didnt mean to change the subject, guiverc. i was just addressing you guys' statemens... im outtie... *lurks*
[05:25] <mint> *away from keyboard bout to go to bed*
[20:59] <nmzm> Hello everyone :) I have a strange question. Just noticed that support for lubuntu 16.04 ended, but there's something like community support until 2021. What exactly is a community support?
[21:00] <wxl> normal ubuntu support
[21:00] <wxl> i.e. not specific to ubuntu
[21:00] <wxl> lubuntu i mean
[21:00] <wxl> which is to say that may not be as familiar with its idiosyncracies and might not be as helpful
[21:00] <wxl> tl;dr upgrade :)
[21:01] <nmzm> wxl: thanks! Seems like it's time to upgrade my system to 18.04
[21:01] <wxl> yup
[21:01] <wxl> or just start in at 19.04
[21:01] <wxl> to be frank, that would be my personal recommendation
[21:02] <wxl> 18.04 is the last lxde version and the upgrade path to lxqt is not supported
[21:02] <wxl> i.e. going from 18.04 to 20.04 will be messy
[21:03] <nmzm> I'm not sure about lxqt desktop, because my noteboot is way too old, but it runs great with lxde. I'll check requirements for lxqt
[21:03] <nmzm> But thanks again, wxl :)
[21:03] <wxl> the requirements are basically the same
[21:04] <nmzm> I hope lxqt isn't much heavy :D
[21:04] <nmzm> wow, not bad
[21:04] <wxl> it isn't
[21:04] <wxl> l still stands for lightweight
[21:04] <wxl> it was a project started by (among others) pcman, the guy being pcmanfm
 nmzm: what are your computer's specs?
[21:06] <nmzm> There's like amd athlon 2 CPU, 4 GB of RAM, 64 VRam
[21:06] <nmzm> Not much, but he's old :D
[21:06] <wxl> jeez 4gb of ram, you've got a super computer
[21:07] <nmzm> desktop PC is a way better, but I'm working mostly on my notebook :D
[21:07]  * wxl has run lubuntu on 512m and 256m if i don't expect the web to work very well XD
[21:07] <nmzm> Well, the fun fact is -> HDD with 50GB only :D
[21:07] <wxl> you've got more than enough to do the trick
[21:08] <wxl> you'll really like lxqt
 4 gigs of ram is fine
[21:08] <wxl> maybe wait until next month when 19.10 comes out
 Lubuntus good on that alone in a vm
[21:08] <wxl> we've definitely been working hard on improvements
[21:09] <nmzm> Hmm, then I'll stick with 16.04 until 19.10 comes out, I think it's a better idea
 Ok feel free to try it in a vm in case though