[00:08] <alexandrdvorkin> hi guys
[00:08] <yvyz>       o/
[00:09] <alexandrdvorkin> can anyone tell me is there a virtual Linux software like VMware but free that I can install Ubuntu on MacBook?
[00:10] <yvyz> qemu
[00:10] <yvyz> VirtualBox
[00:10] <yvyz> Use VirtualBox
[00:10] <alexandrdvorkin> it installs on MacBook?
[00:13] <alexandrdvorkin> VirtualBox installs in Mac OS?
[00:13] <yvyz> All the places.
[00:13] <yvyz> It runs on the JVM (Java)
[00:13] <alexandrdvorkin> ok but it preserves the Mac OS ?
[00:14] <tomreyn> you're asking questions about software which runs on OS X. this channel is about ubuntu. you'd better ask in a OS X related support channe / forum.
[00:14] <yvyz> Yes
[00:14] <yvyz> He wants to run Ubuntu on Mac OSX. Virtualbox. And now we are done
[00:14] <yvyz> Success!
[00:14] <alexandrdvorkin> sorry about many questions
[00:15] <alexandrdvorkin> thanks yvyz I’ll give it a try
[00:16] <alexandrdvorkin> what is the link to VirtualBox software?
[00:17] <yvyz> Please use google.
[00:17] <alexandrdvorkin> ok will do
[00:17] <alexandrdvorkin> Ttyl
[00:20] <HumanSheeple> OK I've got a way to do the ip address and it says Hi it's working. What good open source software is there for designing websites with like with a gui and spits out an html file?
[00:24] <OerHeks> for a simple static page, no css, libreoffice would do
[00:25] <tatertots> wix.com no code knowledge needed
[00:25] <tatertots> :)
[00:25] <tatertots> probably NOT free though
[00:48] <alexandrdvorkin> hi guys
[00:49] <alexandrdvorkin> I am having problem with the Virtual box it returns Kernel driver not installed (RCM=-1908) when I try to run Ubuntu
[00:55] <tomreyn> alexandrdvorkin: based on prior chat i assume this is  either an issue with your host OS or the virtualbox installation on your host OS. and i assume the host OS is OS X?
[00:55] <tomreyn> /join #vbox
[00:55] <alexandrdvorkin> Mac OS Mojave
[00:56] <tomreyn> we only support virtualbox installed from ubuntu repositories here. and ubuntu (whether or not it's running in a VM, but this issue isn't about that)
[00:57] <alexandrdvorkin> it encountered some error about privacy
[00:57] <tomreyn> that also doesn't make it an ubuntu issue
[00:57] <alexandrdvorkin> but installed virtual box but it won’t run Ubuntu
[00:59] <tomreyn> you haven't reached a point where you're running into ubuntu specific issues. if / when you do, you're wrelcome to ask about it here.
[00:59] <alexandrdvorkin> VirtualBox the installation failed
[00:59] <alexandrdvorkin> message appears
[01:00] <alexandrdvorkin> contact software manufacturer
[01:00] <alexandrdvorkin> but it installs
[01:03] <alexandrdvorkin> how do install the Ubuntu iso inside VirtualBox
[02:16] <k18e> exit
[02:26] <aleksandrdvorkin> ok but generally spekaing Ubuntu installed on Virtualbox
[02:51] <Milijus> Does a gui exist for strace analyses?
[03:40] <nshire> the last login displayed upon ssh login (Last login: Thu Sep 12 20:38:34 2019) doesn't show access when someone logs in from su, is that working as intended?
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> nshire: maybe the #openssh channel can help?
[03:48] <nshire> I'm under the impression that that info would be handled by the OS but I could be wrong
[03:49] <gambl0re> in this guide, https://gorails.com/setup/ubuntu/18.04
[03:49] <gambl0re> if im using zsh, i'm assuming i should replace .bashrc with .zshrc?
[04:10] <nshire> does it sound reasonable to take ~50 seconds to get to graphical.target on a hard drive? this same drive used to boot much faster
[04:11] <nshire> https://pastebin.com/srdxAVP6
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> nshire: ssd or spinner?
[06:24] <jax> good morning
[06:25] <jax> i'm having trouble finding how to setup full disk encryption on ubuntu during install.
[06:25] <jax> is there a guide or so?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> !lvm | jax
[06:33] <slade991> join #popos
[07:14] <Anticom> Morning folks. Is there any recent change with ppas or a problem with their servers? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vQpjycMvHN/
[07:14] <Anticom> 6 repos failed to update this morning
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> Anticom: we dont support external ppa's here
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> Anticom: instead, we reccomend to keep the official ubuntu repos clean, to avoid dependency issues
[07:33] <Anticom> lotuspsychje: i'm only talking about "sudo apt update"
[07:34] <Anticom> And to me it seems fishy that 6 external repos at once decided to break down
[07:34] <Anticom> Hence i am asking whether some certificate etc. did expire or what ever else might be a plausible cause for that.
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> Anticom: you can always ask in #ubuntu-mirrors if your country repos have issues
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> Anticom: but we always reccomend first to debug, like external ppa's or own connection
[07:35] <Anticom> lotuspsychje: I'm running updates every single day and in 3 years (- blame on me, still on xenial :D -) i never had this issue i've pasted
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> Anticom: cannot recolve host, sounds like a network problem to me
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> Anticom: did you try a direct connection to your modem/router yet with a cable?
[07:39] <Anticom> Hm probably only was a hickup
[07:39] <Anticom> now the updates go thorough w/o problems
[08:02] <grammoboy2> ok, my dist-upgrade seems to have failed when I was a sleep... will be hard to recover I think. Not sure to start making a live usb now, or just trying something on the system first
[08:02] <grammoboy2> 14.04 to 16.04
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> grammoboy2: 14.04 is end of life
[08:03] <grammoboy2> lotuspsychje, it still should upgrade not?
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> grammoboy2: lts upgrading from and end of life version can be tricky and can result into unwanted behaviour and security risks
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> grammoboy2: its reccomended to clean install 16.04
[08:04] <grammoboy2> lotuspsychje, I hope I still get access to the encrypted home partition then
[08:04] <grammoboy2> ouch
[08:05] <grammoboy2> can I install 18.04 and use the encrypted home partion of 14.04 as /home?
[08:06] <grammoboy2> 18.04 might be wiser then 16.04
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> grammoboy2: the ubuntu setup usually gives the option to keep/preserve the /home but im not the lvm exterm myself, so not sure about that
[08:09] <grammoboy2> lotuspsychje, that wouldn't be a problem, the problem is that it is encrypted I think
[08:10] <grammoboy2> or say I can imagine
[08:12] <grammoboy2> might have to decrypt it first if that's possible
[08:53] <Funkmeldekopf> hi
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> welcome Funkmeldekopf
[08:58] <Funkmeldekopf> hi
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you Funkmeldekopf ?
[09:01] <Funkmeldekopf> no help thanks my laptop work fine with 18. I look around :-)
[09:01] <Json007> Ok, so I need help
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> Json007: start with a question
[09:02] <Json007> I've installed Ubuntu to Windows 10, WSL, but it seems bash can't find stuff. I get this [hold, gotta c+p]
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> !ubuwin | Json007
[09:03] <Json007> :~$ npm: not foundjs/npm: 3: /mnt/c/nodejs/npm:: not foundjs/npm: 5: /mnt/c/nodejs/npm:/mnt/c/nodejs/npm: 6: /mnt/c/nodejs/npm: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting "in")
[09:10] <Sven_vB> should my /tmp/ have sticky bits? WP-en says "Typically this is set on the /tmp directory to prevent ordinary users from deleting or moving other users' files." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit
[09:19] <grammoboy2> sudo ecryptfs-recover-private, ecryptfs not install by default on usb live?
[09:19] <grammoboy2> I want to recover encrypted /home
[09:19] <grammoboy2> https://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/
[09:19] <grammoboy2> old = 14.04, new 18.04
[09:22] <grammoboy2> what encyption software does ubuntu uses? It is changed during the years?
[09:25] <grammoboy2> let's make a 16.04 live usb
[09:41] <tomreyn> grammoboy2: ecryptfs is considered legacy file system encryption, since it uses encryption which is now considered weak (as well as for some architectual shortcomings, i assume).
[09:43] <tomreyn> grammoboy2: there are file systems which natively support encryption, including an early implementation (may not be considered ready for production use, yet) in ext4.
[09:43] <tomreyn> grammoboy2: in the meantime, and beyond that, there is also dmcrypt-luks
[09:45] <tomreyn> for 18.04, if you would like to continue using ext4, i suggest you backup your data and reinstall choosing the dmcrypt-luks (encryption + LVM) option during installation.
[09:45] <tomreyn> *if you would like to continue using ext4 and would also like to have encryption (ext4 by itself is fine).
[10:26] <grammoboy2> is a encryption key for a ubuntu /home direction, 64 characters?
[10:33] <tomreyn> i am unable to understand this question.
[10:53] <immu> grammoboy2, https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/39306/how-secure-is-ubuntus-default-full-disk-encryption
[10:56] <grammoboy2> trying to get the dist upgrade going via chroot. At least it's setting up packages again, so there is hope
[11:05] <grammoboy2> shoot, no space left message
[11:06] <grammoboy2> I'm in chroot, dist upgrade in progress, what's wise?
[11:06] <grammoboy2> how to create space?
[11:09] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  another shell on host, remove unwanted/cached large users of space,  expand file-system if possible, or if theres some other file-system with space on it bind-mount it into the chroot
[11:11] <grammoboy2> TJ-, so another terminal on the ubuntu live cd, chroot sda1 in that shell the same way as the other? (need it a different mnt point?)
[11:11] <grammoboy2> TJ-, expanding is not possible I think
[11:12] <grammoboy2> I can't run aptitude clean or so in the chroot?
[11:12] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  in which case stop and think; sounds like you don't have many options right now... I only just came into channel so not aware of what scenario you're trying to fixc
[11:13] <grammoboy2> how do I make space during a dist upgrade, running chroot
[11:13] <grammoboy2> from a live usb
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:13] <immu> gpart should help
[11:13] <immu> hi BluesKaj
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Hi immu
[11:14] <immu> how are you BluesKaj how is kubuntu doing?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> immu, kubuntu is doing well...running Eoan 19.10
[11:15] <immu> oke
[11:15] <immu> whats your exprience running KDE-Neon
[11:15] <__Milencho> Hi guys, could you please help me, i'm trying to change the default SSH port from 22 to 22222 for example, i've change the Port conf in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[11:15] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  if the root file-system has run out of space then you need to investigate options to move 'stuff' off it temporarily or 'loan' it some space from a USB Flash device with a bind mount whilst it runs
[11:16] <__Milencho> but on every restart the default 22 port is applied by default
[11:17] <immu> BluesKaj, opinion running KDE Neon?
[11:18] <__Milencho> so any suggestions ?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> immu, I tried neon on my laptop, and had to use nomodeset on the first boot and it went downhill from there :/
[11:19] <grammoboy2> TJ-, I cant do a apt clean?
[11:21] <immu> BluesKaj,umm which GPU?
[11:21] <TJ-> grammoboy2: surely, but dist-upgrade is then going to refetch packages into /var/cache/apt/ again so it can install them. "apt clean" removes package files from that location
[11:22] <BluesKaj> immu, Intel UHD Graphics 630 driver: i915
[11:22] <grammoboy2> TJ-, but maybe it needs less now?
[11:22] <grammoboy2> TJ-, then at the start of the dist upgrade
[11:23] <immu> oke
[11:23] <TJ-> grammoboy2: it may help *if* most of the space used in the cache was for the 'old' release's packages, not the 'new'
[11:23] <immu> BluesKaj, but if you had a chance would you move to KDENeon?
[11:24] <BluesKaj> immu, not yet
[11:26] <BluesKaj> immu, I'm a kubuntu tester, so I'm sticking with kubuntu...not a distro hopper anyway
[11:26] <grammoboy2> TJ-, at least it's setting up software again
[11:27] <grammoboy2> and it stops disk full hmm
[11:28] <grammoboy2> it says it used 81% of sda1
[11:29] <BluesKaj> immu, KDE-Neon might work for you since I don't know what hardware you have. Your experience with it could be totally different.
[11:29] <TJ-> grammoboy2: "it" is?  what does "df -h" and "df -i" report for space and inode usage, respectively?
[11:29] <immu> i have hybrid GPU intel and Nvidia?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> ahh Optimus
[11:30] <grammoboy2> what is the default IRC chat app in ubuntu nowadays?
[11:31] <__Milencho> anyone to help for ubuntu sshd?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> immu, I have no idea about Optimus on Neon
[11:32] <immu> i will have to try it then
[11:32] <sonOfRa> grammoboy2: I use hexchat, it's an irc client written in gtk, so it themes nicely with whatever theme you use
[11:33] <grammoboy2> sonOfRa, looking for something in the live usb
[11:33] <sonOfRa> Might not have one preinstalled at all
[11:33] <leftyfb> grammoboy2: there is no default app. Feel free to search for one and install it
[11:33] <sonOfRa> If you created a stick with a data partition, you can always install it in the live system
[11:34] <BluesKaj> immu, why not ask about HW drivers in the #kde-neon chat first
[11:35] <immu> BluesKaj, sure let me do that
[11:36] <grammoboy2> TJ-, df -h says 81%, df -i 100%
[11:37] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  aha, so the file-system has run out of inodes... that is likely due to an extraordinary number of small files (<=4096 bytes)
[11:37] <grammoboy2> TJ-, or old kernels?
[11:37] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  no, inodes is about the number of file entries
[11:38] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  try "sudo du --inodes -d 3 / | sort -n" to get an idea of where they are most
[11:38] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  actually, add "-x" to the 'du' arguments to stop if crossing file-systems
[11:42] <grammoboy2> TJ-, IIRC that was the problem at start of upgrade too, fixed it with removing old kernels
[11:49] <TJ-> grammoboy2: removing old kernels isn't going to free many inodes though
[11:49] <TJ-> grammoboy2: there's files in /boot/ and /lib/modules/$VERSION/
[11:53] <grammoboy2> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/wHBqJmjL
[11:56] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  wow! no wonder, with all those /usr/src/linux-headers-*
[11:56] <grammoboy2> TJ-, I'm a linux-header collector! :)
[11:56] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  by default Ubuntu only retains the last 3 kernels so somehow on that system you've managed to disable that!
[11:57] <TJ-> grammoboy2: I'd guess you changed something under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[11:57] <grammoboy2> TJ-, for now the question is, how to get rid of it :)
[11:58] <TJ-> grammoboy2: get rid of all those header packages?
[12:00] <TJ-> grammoboy2: what Ubuntu version is that? those 3.13 are from Xenial 16.04 ?
[12:00] <TJ-> !info inux-headers-3.13.0-170
[12:00] <TJ-> !info inux-headers-3.13.0-170 xenial
[12:01] <ioria> trusty
[12:01] <TJ-> ioria:  thanks!
[12:01] <ioria> :)
[12:01] <TJ-> grammoboy2: are you trying to d-r-u from 14.04 to 16.04 ?
[12:02] <TJ-> ioria: running the lastest mainline kernels means I'm out of touch with what the Ubuntu kernel versions are, especially for older releases
[12:02] <ioria> yeah
[12:02] <grammoboy2> TJ-, yes 1404 to 1604
[12:03] <grammoboy2> TJ-, following this one? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[12:03] <grammoboy2> TJ-, or is there a better way
[12:04] <grammoboy2> TJ-, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels#Safely_Removing_Old_Kernels
[12:06] <TJ-> grammoboy2: well you know you won't need those 3.13 headers so you could do something like "apt-get remove 'linux-headers-3.13*'  "
[12:08] <gimmel> Ok, what am I missing. I'm trying to get a cron job to run by, say, 5 13 * * * /usr/share/script/test.sh. When I check the output of 'date' the timezone, time and date are correct. But when I look in syslog to find out why the cron didn't run, the timestamps are different.
[12:10] <gimmel> Hmm, /etc/timezone is set to UTC - is this where the problem is coming in? What's best practice here?
[12:18] <raub> So I tried to setup firewall-cmd with source address="192.168.102.161/31" and it did not work. Using two separate rules ( .161/32 and .162/32) did.
[12:20] <raub> NVM. I see what I did wrong
[12:24] <gimmel> Changing /etc/timezone through dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and restarting cron seems to have fixed it.
[12:27] <Sven_vB> "pacmd play-sample audio-volume-change bluez…" fails on one of my xenial netbooks. /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/audio-volume-change.oga exists. the sink name was auto-completed, so it should exist. what else could cause "Failed to play sample."?
[12:28] <Sven_vB> regular music playback works on that sink.
[12:28] <Sven_vB> also "pacmd play-file /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/audio-volume-change.oga bluez" works
[12:29] <Sven_vB> +…
[12:33] <grammoboy2> TJ-, can't remove a lot, running in a circle of no space left. So dpkg isnt working
[12:39] <TJ-> grammoboy2: do it the raw way to clear space THEN use dpkg. As in "sudo rm -rf /usr/src/linux-headers-3.13* ; sudo apt-get purge 'linux-headers-3.13*' "
[12:56] <Sven_vB> how can I configure Ubuntu xenial so it allows text console login even while systemd is still waiting for NetworkManager and accounts service?
[12:58] <OerHeks> i guess when account service not ready, you cannot?
[13:00] <Sven_vB> can I make it so root is allowed to login with password until account service is ready?
[13:02] <Sven_vB> "The accountsservice project provides a set of D-Bus interfaces for querying and manipulating user account information …" sounds like it's just sugar on top of "… based on the useradd, usermod and userdel commands."
[13:02] <Sven_vB> so I guess even without that login should work.
[13:10] <grammoboy2> TJ-, apt has done his work. Anything I need to do, to make the chance of a successful reboot higher?
[13:19] <TJ-> grammoboy2: ensure in the chroot that "update-grub" is successful, possibly do an "update-initramfs -u -k all" too
[13:31] <zen_coder> I have connected a new monitor to my ubuntu 18.04 which can go up to 4K resolution
[13:32] <zen_coder> however, I cannot increase to resolution higher then 1920x1200 in the settings
[13:32] <zen_coder> how can I increase it to 4k?
[13:32] <zen_coder> I have an nvidia quadro 4600
[13:32] <Sven_vB> zen_coder, what kind of display cable do you use? maybe it cannot go fast enough.
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: Does your graphics card support 4K display?
[13:32] <OerHeks> Sven_vB +1, hdmi is not always enough
[13:34] <zen_coder> I have display port
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: What graphics card are you using in your machine, and do you know if it supports 4K?
[13:36] <zen_coder> I just put in glxinfo
[13:36] <zen_coder> is this the right way to check?
[13:37] <Samysam> Hi guys, I've issue installing python-boto on bionic: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xbCyzrZW2K/. Is it an ubuntu bug I should report ? Any workaround ?
[13:37] <Sven_vB> zen_coder, I'd try lspci
[13:38] <grammoboy2> upgraded 1404 -> 1604 doesn't get me to the login screen
[13:39] <grammoboy2> mounted /home
[13:39] <OerHeks> quadro 4600 specs say it is dvi/vga only, and Max External Resolution3840 x 2400
[13:39] <grammoboy2> a start job is running for dev-disk...
[13:40] <Sven_vB> why is a start job running for Light Display Manager even though I put a symlink /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service -> /dev/null just before I booted from that disk?
[13:40] <grammoboy2> Then a recovery menu
[13:40] <grammoboy2> via recovery mode
[13:41] <grammoboy2> which is hard to control, cant select option really
[13:42] <Sven_vB> grammoboy2, what makes it hard to control? are progress messages printed over the menu?
[13:43] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, yes
[13:43] <zen_coder> Sven_vB: `03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP102GL [Quadro P6000] (rev a1)`
[13:43] <Sven_vB> yeah systemd isn't very smart about letting users fix broken systemds, sadly
[13:44] <zen_coder> 7680 x 4320 @ 30 Hz
[13:44] <zen_coder> should be enough I guess
[13:44] <Sven_vB> zen_coder, so that's what your Ubuntu thinks you have. does it match what you really have?
[13:44] <zen_coder> ubuntu thinks?
[13:44] <zen_coder> I have ubuntu 18.04
[13:44] <Sven_vB> yeah P6000 seems to differ from 4600 you mentioned
[13:45] <Sven_vB> no I meant whether Ubuntu identified the hardware correctly. :)
[13:45] <OerHeks> Quadro P6000 should work fully with the 384 driver and up https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/123215/en-us
[13:45] <zen_coder> Sven_vB: that was wrong, the openGL module was 4.60
[13:45] <Sven_vB> try reinstalling the drivers, sometimes that helps.
[13:45] <zen_coder> it is also showing 6000
[13:45] <Sven_vB> ok
[13:45] <zen_coder> so thats the card I have
[13:46] <zen_coder> OpenGL renderer string: Quadro P6000/PCIe/SSE2OpenGL core profile version string: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 410.72
[13:48] <OerHeks> zen_coder, how about the machine, does it use PCIe 3.0 ?
[13:49] <zen_coder> how can I check?
[13:49] <zen_coder> OerHeks ?
[13:49] <OerHeks> see the vendor, type motherboard
[13:49] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, any fix for such a recovery menu?
[13:50] <Sven_vB> grammoboy2, no sorry I've never used that.
[13:51] <Sven_vB> what does console-setup mean with "framebuffer only" fonts? how do I check whether my console uses a frame buffer?
[13:52] <TJ-> Sven_vB: framebuffer is what the TTY consoles use - as in, not the GUI
[13:52] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[13:52] <Sven_vB> is there a way to request MS DOS style 25x80?
[13:53] <Sven_vB> a kernel param for that would be even better
[13:54] <TJ-> Sven_vB: usually kernel inherits whatever mode GRUB is set to use.
[13:54] <Sven_vB> yeah GRUB would be the next step to fix
[13:54] <TJ-> Sven_vB:  as in,  /etc/default/grub has GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
[13:55] <Sven_vB> oh! thanks. I'll try that
[13:55] <TJ-> and of course then "update-grub"
[13:55] <Sven_vB> yeah
[13:55] <Sven_vB> can I preview whatever I just did in console-setup or do I need to reboot for that?
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> reboot is probably best
[13:57] <Sven_vB> well I'm not 100% sure my settings are an improvement
[13:57] <zen_coder> OerHeks: Can I not check it through ubuntu?
[13:59] <Sven_vB> oh ok I discovered that changing fonts between "Fixed" and "VGA" is immediately visible, VGA giving bolder font
[14:00] <grammoboy2> I could boot into 1604 using upstart option, no idea what it is
[14:00] <Sven_vB> even more visible when I try the huge variants of VGA :)
[14:00] <grammoboy2> this is pretty unrealistic great
[14:05] <grammoboy2> tomreyn, TJ- thx, I'm in 16.04 at least now
[14:10] <Sven_vB> grammoboy2, when you boot normally, what were the error messages, or what do you get instead of your login screen?
[14:12] <Sven_vB> !info grub-efi-amd64-signed
[14:12] <Sven_vB> !info grub-efi-amd64-signed xenial
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot > Sven_vB
[14:12] <Sven_vB> right, sorry.
[14:21] <Sven_vB> grah. installed grub-efi-amd64, ran update-grub, and I say it really should have warned me that it's making a GRUB config where "System setup" will be the only menu option. >_>
[14:24] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, after mounting /home, a start job is running for dev-disk
[14:25] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, something with the encypted /home?
[14:25] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, what is upstart?
[14:25] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, never seen it before
[14:25] <TJ-> grammoboy2: Upstart was the Ubuntu service manager before it switched to systemd
[14:26] <Sven_vB> grammoboy2, yeah I guess it's related. Upstard is a deprecated boot mechanism. if you have systemd, better use that.
[14:26] <TJ-> grammoboy2: went from sysv-init > upstart > systemd
[14:27] <Sven_vB> grammoboy2, you could try to boot in runlevel 1 and investigate what exactly dev-disk is.
[14:27] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, how to do runlevel 1
[14:27] <Sven_vB> grammoboy2, or you could boot into a live session and chroot your broken system. if you're not familiar with this technique, today is a good opportunity to learn it.
[14:28] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, that's how I fixed the dist upgrade, via grub, using a howto, chroot
[14:28] <TJ-> grammoboy2: you're missing the complete path, it'll actually be a systemd mount unit name of the form dev-disk-by\2duuid-<file-system reference>
[14:28] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, err grub=live-usb
[14:28] <TJ-> oops, that should be \x2d
[14:28] <Sven_vB> grammoboy2, when you get the boot menu, press arrow key down to disable the countdown, then read below how to edit an entry. select the default boot enty, edit it, look for a line that starts with "linux", edit it, put " 1" (space + runlevel number) at the end, boot it.
[14:29] <TJ-> Sven_vB: that's the sysv-init way, now we use systemd.unit=emergency.target
[14:30] <Sven_vB> grammoboy2, nice! then chroot in again and verify all the disks listed in your fstab are accessible.
[14:30] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, thx, will try later, I'm tired. Working on the fix this whole day. :)
[14:30] <Sven_vB> TJ-, thanks! still I'd rather type less in this case :)
[14:30] <TJ-> grammoboy2: you can verify the fstab from chroot
[14:30] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, and now happy that I've at least my files back
[14:30] <TJ-> Sven_vB: it might be ignored was my point :)
[14:31] <grammoboy2> bbl
[14:31] <Sven_vB> TJ-, then systemd should really get an abbreviated switch.
[14:31] <TJ-> also, knowing about systemd.unit= means you can substitute "emergency.target" with any systemd unit, e.g. to avoid starting the GUI on a desktop system: systemd.unit=multi-user.target
[14:32] <TJ-> or to prevent a unit starting, systemd.mask=<somename.unit>
[14:32] <Sven_vB> oh! now *that* is useful!
[14:32] <TJ-> in grammoboy2's case .mask= could be used to prevent the dev-disk-??? from being started if its full name is known
[14:33] <TJ-> Sven_vB:  see "man kernel-command-line" for many other options
[14:33] <Sven_vB> can't it do wildcards or regexp?
[14:33] <TJ-> No, but .target units are better since a target controls which group of .unit/mount services are started for it to be reached
[14:35] <TJ-> as in systemd.unit=graphical.target  means start everything required for the GUI, whereas systemd.unit=multi-user.target won't start anything required for graphical but not required for a regular multi-user environment
[14:35] <Sven_vB> I see, now that I think about it I could have known the kernel docs are just part of what's available. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
[14:36] <Sven_vB> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/kernel-command-line.html has the systemd stuff
[14:45] <Sven_vB> is there a chroot helper tool already that, given a block device, mounts it (default mount point: /target), reads the etc/fstab, prepares that and all the usual stuff, then chroots?
[14:46] <Sven_vB> I hope I'm not the first programmer considering making that
[14:47] <Sven_vB> also it should obviously ship on Ubuntu live ISOs
[14:49] <Sven_vB> … or is my idea flawed in some way?
[14:50] <TJ-> Sven_vB:  no... all you do is "chroot /target mount -a" :)
[14:51] <TJ-> Sven_vB: the one thing you have to handle which I'm not aware of a tool that does, is mounting procfs devtmps devpts sysfs inside the chroot
[14:51] <Sven_vB> yeah I just double-checked because I couldn't remember seeing them in my fstab. :)
[14:52] <Grobo> I'm trying to use vsftpd. When I enable SSL, it fails with status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT. How can I diagnose the issue?
[14:52] <Sven_vB> you'd probably want to mount dev before trying to mount disks
[14:53] <Sven_vB> Grobo, does vsftp have an error log?
[14:53] <Grobo> Sven_vB: I can't seem to find one
[14:53] <Sven_vB> Grobo, check the config for how to enable it
[14:53] <Sven_vB> Grobo, and where it's placed
[14:53] <OerHeks> Grobo, what guide did you follow?
[14:54] <Grobo> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-vsftpd-to-use-ssl-tls-on-a-centos-vps
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> Grobo: first line: Warning: FTP is insecure! Consider using SFTP instead of FTP.
[14:54] <Grobo> It works fine until I set: ssl_enable=yes
[14:55] <Sven_vB> Grobo, do you use a centos VPS?
[14:56] <OerHeks> after "ssl_enable=ye" there are 6 more items to change..
[14:56] <Grobo> Sven_vB: No, I'm not using CentOS but the SSL procedure should be the same
[14:56] <OerHeks> that guide is pretty much the same as https://websiteforstudents.com/setup-vsftpd-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts-server-with-ssl-tls-certificates/  or better https://vitux.com/install-vsftpd-ftp-server-tls-ubuntu/
[14:57] <OerHeks> pastebin your vsftpd.conf ?
[14:57] <TJ-> Sven_vB: I just checked and using profiles schroot can be configured (via profile scripts_ to automate such things, but if you're expecting to mount devtpfs sysfs procfs etc. from a live environment with default settings I don't think there is a tool
[14:57] <Sven_vB> TJ-, thanks! I feel a bit better now about making my own. and a bit worse about the state of humanity.
[14:59] <TJ-> Sven_vB: there's likely a tool somewhere in the archive that does do it, but I don't see it in coreutils which is where chroot lives
[15:00] <Grobo> oh, if I run directly (vsftpd) then it actually gives me an error
[15:00] <Grobo> I don't know why they can't have that included with "INVALIDARGUMENT"
[15:02] <OerHeks> if you enabled vsftpd, systemctl status vsftpd
[15:03]  * OerHeks waiting for the .conf
[15:05] <Grobo> Sovled... it expected a different cert.type. I just had to regenerate the pem. Thanks everyone
[15:05] <OerHeks> Grobo, good find, have fun!
[15:09] <TJ-> Sven_vB: I think I have (Good) news for you. Ubiquity, the Ubuntu graphical installer, contains /lib/chroot-setup.sh which has functions to do this... and will be available in the live images
[15:09] <TJ-> Sven_vB: but not read the code in detail so not sure precisely how you'd call or utilise it
[15:10] <B|ack0p> hi
[15:10] <B|ack0p> to fresh install ubuntu i downloaded 18.04.3 from ubuntu.com and then created usb flash disk with rufus. but when i booted from usb it booted to live ubuntu session without bringing setup menu
[15:11] <B|ack0p> is it new feature or have i done something wrong?
[15:12] <TJ-> B|ack0p: were you able to repeat that happening? It could just be there was a key-press pending that immediately selected the option
[15:13] <B|ack0p> TJ- it doesnt ask me to press any key.. i did installed before and it should boot to setup menu directly when i boot from usb
[15:13] <B|ack0p> this happening first time
[15:14] <OerHeks> are you sure it booted in live session, not your installed ubuntu?
[15:14] <TJ-> B|ack0p: if its a UEFI boot the GRUB boot menu should show for a few seconds
[15:14] <B|ack0p> i dont remember..
[15:14] <B|ack0p> UEFI - MBR
[15:14] <B|ack0p> as i remember
[15:14] <TJ-> B|ack0p: if it is BIOS/Legacy boot then it'd use the syslinux loader which handles things differently
[15:15] <B|ack0p> it is old laptop so must be BIOS
[15:15] <TJ-> B|ack0p: if its started in the "Try" mode now use a terminal to check which mode it is in
[15:15] <B|ack0p> maybe i created usb wrong
[15:15] <B|ack0p> no never brought me Try or Install menu
[15:15] <TJ-> B|ack0p: I cannot see how creating the image could go wrong, in that way
[15:15] <B|ack0p> it directly booted to live session
[15:16] <B|ack0p> i mean maybe i missed UEFI/ BIOS setting in there
[15:16] <OerHeks> unlikely that ever happens without a menu
[15:16] <B|ack0p> in rufus
[15:16] <B|ack0p> OerHeks it came without menu
[15:16] <B|ack0p> just a line appeared in black screen told something syslinux
[15:16] <OerHeks> so you are in the installed ubuntu
[15:16] <TJ-> B|ack0p: so it'd use syslinux... which initially will wait a few seconds for you to tap a key to choose the language (shows a little keyboard symbol bottom centre of display) otherwise starts the chooser
[15:16] <B|ack0p> OerHeks not installed i am on live session at the moment
[15:17] <B|ack0p> TJ- it was black screen not purple.. after that line linux logo appeared then logged in to live session
[15:17] <B|ack0p> it never asked me to press a key
[15:18] <B|ack0p> let me try again..
[15:18] <B|ack0p> see ya
[15:18] <TJ-> with syslinux you'd see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019#Syslinux_.28BIOS_mode.29
[15:19] <TJ-> Sounds like rufus write its own boot-loader
[15:20] <OerHeks> i heard this claim long time ago, it was just booting into an installed ubuntu
[15:20] <Sven_vB> wow Ubiquity still has no progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1063186
[15:20] <OerHeks> some ask for this feature, boot directly into live, not possible
[15:20] <TJ-> Sven_vB: that says "Fix Released"
[15:21] <Sven_vB> oh? I see it's a duplicate now
[15:21] <TJ-> OerHeks:  from what I see Rufus creates its own boot-loader and entries
[15:21] <Sven_vB> why doesn't the comment thread show when it has become a duplicate?
[15:22] <Sven_vB> also why is the status still "Confirmed"
[15:23] <TJ-> why should it? At the very top, under the title, it shows "This bug report is a duplicate of:  Bug #1051935: Fails with SystemError when too many files are open."
[15:25] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I'm probably just spoiled by Github's better UX. I mean, when you're looking for the latest changes to a bug, it's not intuitive to compare the top section. especially a place in the top section that wasn't there before, so you had no indication there was something on the top that could update.
[15:26] <TJ-> I'd disagree... I don't want to have to scroll down a list of comments to find out something like that... but I agree the status should match the duplicate's parent
[15:26] <kxsl> how do you use peruse? rght click and open a .zip opens peruse, but there's nothing to read
[15:29] <Sven_vB> TJ-, you can have both: a status summary on top, and a status update notification in the timeline.
[15:29] <OerHeks> kxsl, peruse is a book reader, not unzip
[15:29] <OerHeks> !infoperuse
[15:29] <OerHeks> !info peruse
[15:30] <kxsl> is there one that can read .zips? the last one just did it, but this one is completely useless
[15:31] <OerHeks> somehow you selected peruse to open a zip, normally fileroller/unzip should handle that task
[15:31] <OerHeks> open again a zip, open with.. select the proper app
[15:32] <kxsl> its a .zip with images in it, like a comic book. the reader i was using before worked fine with zips but its not in ubuntu anymore
[15:32] <B|ack0p> hi again
[15:32] <B|ack0p> still same..
[15:32] <B|ack0p> usb key directly boots to live session
[15:33] <B|ack0p> rufus settings are MBR- UEFI or BIOS
[15:34] <TJ-> Sounds like rufus write its own boot-loader
[15:34] <B|ack0p> when booted from usb text appears on black screen telling: "SYSLINUX 6.03 EDD. ...
[15:34] <ioria> kxsl, you mean mcomix ?  i think it's a snap now  (snap find mcomix)
[15:34] <B|ack0p> Peter Arvin et al
[15:34] <TJ-> B|ack0p: in other words rufus is not writing the true ISO image to the USB it is inserting its own boot-loader and custom caller for the Ubuntu installer
[15:34] <B|ack0p> TJ- never happened before
[15:35] <TJ-> B|ack0p: if you copy the ISO file directly to the USB without interposing any rufus bits I'd expect it'll be as you expect. But I've never used rufus only read of the issues it causes
[15:35] <B|ack0p> ok i will try universal usb key creator
[15:36] <B|ack0p> what is recommended to create bootable usb?
[15:36] <TJ-> B|ack0p: I'm pretty sure rufus has an option to write the image verbatim
[15:36] <B|ack0p> interesting
[15:37] <OerHeks> rufus: use 'write in DD image mode' not iso image mode, though that says recommended  https://linuxhint.com/rufus_bootable_usb_install_ubuntu_18-04_lts/
[15:37] <OerHeks> https://linuxhint.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/r19.png
[15:37] <B|ack0p> OerHeks that s what i did
[15:37] <B|ack0p> as screenshot
[15:37] <OerHeks> DD image mode?
[15:38] <B|ack0p> no iso imade mode as recommended
[15:38] <kxsl> ioria, thanks, that might be what i was using
[15:38] <TJ-> Ahhh, just found in the FAQ its called "DD mode"
[15:38] <ioria> kxsl, ok
[15:38] <OerHeks> stupid rufus should not alter anything
[15:38] <B|ack0p> should i do DD mode?
[15:38] <TJ-> "DD mode" means a bit-for-bit copy of the .iso file to the USB
[15:39] <B|ack0p> so i am doing correct by choosing iso image mode
[15:39] <TJ-> B|ack0p:  yes... anything else and rufus is inserting its own boot code (which uses syslinux in BIOS mode) and custom boot entries to start the Ubuntu image
[15:39] <B|ack0p> actualy it was auto selected as recommended
[15:39] <Nyle> Hello. How can I set xdg-open file association in ubuntu?
[15:39] <B|ack0p> TJ- so what should i do?
[15:39] <Nyle> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/xdg-open.1.html
[15:40] <Nyle> I don't seem to understand how to set a association so that .php files always open in netbeans from xdg-open
[15:40] <Nyle> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/xdg-settings.1.html
[15:40] <Nyle> it doesn't show any example for file extention
[15:40] <Nyle> So I'm a bit confused.
[15:41] <Nyle> Woudl anyone here know how to set file association for xdg-open (not any particular DE/GUI)
[15:41] <TJ-> B|ack0p:  "DD mode"
[15:41] <OerHeks> TJ-, this should be mentioned in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Rufus
[15:42] <B|ack0p> but before i was doing same things never happened before
[15:42] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, do you want the image verbatim or with modifications? if verbatim, the regular "cp" (copy) command can do it
[15:42] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, if you want progress displayed, you can use pv
[15:42] <B|ack0p> Sven_vB i just want original iso to become bootable in usb key
[15:42] <TJ-> OerHeks: we ned a screenshot of the option
[15:43] <B|ack0p> bring me ubuntu installation menu as usual
[15:43] <OerHeks> TJ-,  https://linuxhint.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/r19.png
[15:43] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, how about (as root) pv image.iso >/dev/disk/by-id/usb-…
[15:43] <B|ack0p> never done that
[15:43] <TJ-> B|ack0p: are you having to create the USB flash from Windows? if not, as Sven_vB says use 'cp' or 'dd' commands from Linux
[15:43] <B|ack0p> TJ- yes on windows 19
[15:43] <B|ack0p> 10
[15:43] <Sven_vB> oh ic
[15:43] <B|ack0p> not 19 :p
[15:44] <Sven_vB> yeah sorry then
[15:44] <TJ-> OerHeks:  thanks
[15:44] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, I liked using UNetBootin before I found the SuperGrub CD
[15:45] <B|ack0p> what do you thnk about Universal usb creator?
[15:45] <Nyle> ahh
[15:45] <Nyle> it's mimeopen -d /path/to/file
[15:45] <B|ack0p> https://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[15:45] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, there was a time when U-C-G was really nice. then it started annoying me even more than UNB
[15:45] <Nyle> Then it will ask a list of default apps and you can select 'other' and type in your own command.
[15:45] <TJ-> OerHeks: the link on that page to the tutorial is poor, the tutorial shows using FreeDos boot mode!
[15:46] <OerHeks> !usb | blackop use the wiki ...
[15:46] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, nowadays I have a SuperGrub Disk, so I can just make a folder "boot-isos" on any drive top level, put ISOs there, and SGD will find them and offer to boot them.
[15:46] <OerHeks> well you have enough answers
[15:46] <TJ-> OerHeks: what *are* authors thinking of by interposing some 3rd party tooling we do not support into the recommended instructions when the hybrid ISOs boot perfectly fine
[15:47] <grammoboy2> Sven_vB, TJ- ok I'm in chroot again, to fix the a start job is running for dev-disk issue
[15:47] <OerHeks> TJ-, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE AN UNIVERSAL TOOL, WHILE ISOS ARE HYBRID NOWADAYS
[15:47] <OerHeks> OOPS
[15:47] <remline> What happens if you add two separate Ubuntu versions to apt's sources.list? e.g., "disco main" and "eoan main". Will that make a big mess?
[15:47] <OerHeks> remline, do not mix versions.
[15:48] <TJ-> OerHeks: I'm about the Canonical tutorial linked from that help wiki https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#3
[15:48] <remline> OerHeks, will it necessarily break things? Or will it just be confusing?
[15:48] <TJ-> remline: break it and never recover
[15:48] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, I have it on my todo to teach SGD how to rewrite kernel params, then you could even use persistent mode straight from a Ubuntu Live ISO.
[15:49] <TJ-> grammoboy2: check every device listed in fstab exists to begin with
[15:49] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, with a bit of hex editor patching it's possible even today.
[15:49] <OerHeks> Sven_vB,  now you confuse him with info he does not need
[15:49] <B|ack0p> Sven_vB i am not that advanced
[15:50] <B|ack0p> i prefer to use ready apps for that
[15:51] <remline> TJ-, thanks. I used dpkg (inside disco) to test one of eoan's kernels. Was there a way to install that kernel with apt?
[15:51] <grammoboy2> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/FaeEHhKR
[15:51] <B|ack0p> actually i think i can reach windows documents from linux right?
[15:51] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, keep it in mind though for later. it's really useful. especially because that way you can have data partitions on your USB drive as well, or can use a really tiny and slow USB to boot a large ISO from a fast harddisk.
[15:52] <B|ack0p> i can reach the iso from ubuntu
[15:52] <grammoboy2> TJ-, something with swap?
[15:52] <TJ-> remline: only if the 19.10 kernel appears as an HWE option for disco
[15:52] <Orvalvisje> hello
[15:52] <grammoboy2> TJ-, looks to be turned off
[15:52] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  lines beginning with # are commented out and not used
[15:53] <grammoboy2> TJ-, yes, so why is that the case for swap
[15:53] <TJ-> grammoboy2: why is it commented out?
[15:54] <Sven_vB> B|ack0p, if your documents are on an unencrypted(!) FAT or NTFS partition, it's easy to use them in Ubuntu. you might consider decrypting parts of your windows disk for document exchange.
[15:54] <Orvalvisje> i want to install dualboot on a very low end acer laptop. However, when i tried to install ubuntu on the whole laptop (and thus removing win10) it seemed that i had a problem with my bios ... after a while, i restored my laptop back to win10, but i want to know if every laptop can be set up with a dual boot?
[15:54] <TJ-> grammoboy2: did you comment it out, or some tool do it?
[15:54] <grammoboy2> TJ-, no idea. I don't think I did it
[15:54] <B|ack0p> Sven_vB windows partition is not encyripted
[15:54] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  you can see which devices exist by UUID with "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" and compare those with the fstab to ensure all mentioned in fstab are found
[15:55] <Sven_vB> Orvalvisje, some notebooks' BIOSes/firmwares might resist your attempts at dual-boot really stubbornly.
[15:55] <Sven_vB> Orvalvisje, I'm fighting with an Acer Switch for months
[15:55] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: ^^^^^ namely they sometimes want you to manually "TRUST" any non-Microsoft boot-loader, via their internal setup options at power-on
[15:55] <grammoboy2> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/n6mA9cvT
[15:56] <Orvalvisje> so, how to find out if my machine is a "good" one?
[15:56] <Sven_vB> Orvalvisje, a tool to do that is on my todo :)
[15:57] <grammoboy2> TJ-, sda6 missing? Could be that swap is encrypted in some way
[15:58] <grammoboy2> TJ-, I probably used some kind of guide to also encrypt swap
[15:58] <grammoboy2> TJ-, years ago
[15:58] <Orvalvisje> what's the reason behind making it so complicated to freely switch/chooses between OS's? after all, we have bought the damn thing we should be able to do with it whatever we want
[15:59] <OerHeks> Orvalvisje, nobody can answer, without details about what laptop?
[16:00] <Orvalvisje> ok, acer laptop, 6gb ram, 128gb SDD and 32sdd, 14"
[16:01] <OerHeks> acer makes 1000 laptops ..
[16:01] <TJ-> grammoboy2: check what you have in /etc/crypttab
[16:01] <Orvalvisje> ok, sorry, have no idea how to look for the specific model
[16:01] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: has it booted the Live ISO in Try mode? if so "dmesg | grep DMI:"
[16:02] <remline> TJ-, thanks, per hwe-support-status "Only LTS releases have Hardware Enablement stacks". Thankfully, dpkg worked fine.
[16:02] <Orvalvisje> acer aspire ES1-432 series, if that is any help?
[16:02] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: yes, and it sounds familiar as one of the culprits
[16:03] <Orvalvisje> and what about medion laptops?
[16:03] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: in the firmware's setup do you see something like this? http://iam.tj/projects/misc/UEFI-InsydeH20-Trust-Bootloader-File.jpg
[16:04] <Orvalvisje> TJ: how to look for firmware?
[16:04] <OerHeks> indeed, whole post about troubles https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/476726/es1-132-cannot-install-other-os-than-windows-10-bios-options-missing/p2
[16:04] <grammoboy2> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/29wcWuCJ
[16:04] <ioria> Orvalvisje,  set up password; edit 'uefi custom settings' ,  go to 'add uefi file' and follow the file manager and choose grubx64.efi  (maybe disable secure boot)
[16:05] <TJ-> Orvalvisje:  if so, after installing Ubuntu you need, on reboot, to enter firmware setup, go to the "Security" page, enable "Secure Boot", use the "Select an UEFI fileas trusted for executing" which brings up a fle navigator, find the /EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi and /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi files and trust both
[16:05] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: firmware is what the PC has built-in that operates before the boot-loader, usually has the F2 or Del key to access its setup
[16:07] <ioria> Orvalvisje, all of that is necessary only on Acer uefi systems
[16:08] <Orvalvisje> i think i don't have uefi, but the other one ... i remember last year looking for pictures of bios on the net, and i did not find pictures the same as i had
[16:08] <TJ-> grammoboy2: so commented out in crypttab too
[16:09] <genii> TJ-: I also found that those options only become accessible after setting a password on the BIOS, in most Acers I've worked on
[16:09] <grammoboy2> TJ-, so both in fstab and crypttab
[16:10] <ioria> Orvalvisje, i think that lappy is uefi ( i might be wrong)
[16:10] <grammoboy2> TJ-, done, reboot?
[16:10] <OerHeks> ioria, it is ..
[16:10] <ioria> OerHeks, i see
[16:10] <OerHeks>  whole post about troubles https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/476726/es1-132-cannot-install-other-os-than-windows-10-bios-options-missing/p2
[16:12] <TJ-> grammoboy2: give it go :)
[16:13] <TJ-> genii:  thanks... that seems to be a relatively recent change, originally when we discovered this a couple years ago a password wasn't required
[16:15] <grammoboy2> TJ-, again, a start job is running ...
[16:16] <Orvalvisje> @ioria ... well, how i remember was i needed something, but it wasn't present ... it's been over a year, and really don't recall this so maybe i have uefi but needed something else ... anyway ... i am getting in way over my head
[16:16] <ioria> ok
[16:16] <Orvalvisje> where's the time that i just needed to insert a usb or whatever, and ubuntu guided me automatically towards a step by step screen to end up with the dual boot
[16:17] <Orvalvisje> why is it so hard for the dummy that i am? :/
[16:17] <ioria> Orvalvisje, told you is an Acer thing
[16:19] <Orvalvisje> ok, i'm in the boot ... looking for what now?
[16:19] <TJ-> grammoboy2: does it have a timeout shown?
[16:20] <grammoboy2> TJ-, yes, 3x 1:30 or so
[16:20] <Orvalvisje> but i think i remember now... on screenshots that i saw, there should've been an option to do something with the uefi ... however, my bios does not have that option what so ever ...
[16:20] <TJ-> grammoboy2: let them timeout and then see how it continues then we can review the logs for the cause
[16:21] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: from the linked Acer forum thread those options may not appear until you've set a supervisor password in  firmware setup Admin
[16:21] <grammoboy2> TJ-, ok, rebooted now. Via upstart I had to option to wait for, skip of mount manually a uuid, which is swap
[16:21] <Orvalvisje> i have a supervisor password
[16:22] <TJ-> grammoboy2: so where is the install finding that swap mount command?
[16:23] <Orvalvisje> so, what i am understanding is, is that the more modern the machine is, the more complicated it becomes to install dual boot ubuntu/win10?
[16:23] <grammoboy2> TJ-, sorry? In fstab?
[16:24] <Orvalvisje> and what's the quality of ubuntu of that option of running it withing windows?
[16:24] <TJ-> grammoboy2: well no not if the entry in fstab is commented out, unless the fstab file you're looking at isn't the one the boot is using
[16:24] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: no, the cause is the manufacturers only focusing on the mass market Windows OS
[16:25] <grammoboy2> TJ-, I removed the # as you told me. Maybe I should leave it there and let do crypttab do the mount?
[16:25] <grammoboy2> TJ-, comment it out in fstab, not in crypttab.
[16:25] <TJ-> grammoboy2: I don't recall saying to remove the comment! I only recall talking about how various entries ARE commented and thus should NOT be the cause of the warnings you see at boot-time about dev-disk-by\x2duuid-????
[16:26] <grammoboy2> TJ-, "TJ-> grammoboy2: so commented out in crypttab too"
[16:26] <TJ-> grammoboy2: If the entries in those 2 files were commented out I'd leave them that way
[16:26] <TJ-> grammoboy2: ah, that is a question/observation in reaction to reading your crypttab :)
[16:26] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  not an instruction :)
[16:27] <grammoboy2> TJ-, ah ok. But why then reboot if you've changed nothing :) I wouldn't expect different behaviour of a computer
[16:27] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  in other words, both fstab and crypttab had the swap entries commented out and I was reporting that state, which implies those lines were NOT causing the boot-time warning
[16:30] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  what I *think* is happening when using systemd not upstart is there is either 1) a statically defined .swap unit-file, OR systemd-fstab-generator is reading a different file from the one you've pastebinned which doesn't have the entries commented out and it therefore creates a runtime .swap unit which causes the delay
[16:30] <grammoboy2> TJ-, I can imagine I used: sudo ecryptfs-setup-swap in the past.
[16:31] <grammoboy2> TJ-, I know it encrypts swap, but not what it does to files
[16:31] <TJ-> grammoboy2:  the way it works in the default state is at boot-time, before systemd runs any jobs, it calls systemd-fstab-generator which reads /etc/fstab and for each (non commented) entry creates a unit, usually /run/systemd/generator/<device>.mount or .swap
[16:32] <pnwise> Why does not either ufw or iptables block IP address
[16:32] <pnwise> on 16.04
[16:33] <tomreyn> pnwise: as a generic statement, i doubt that's so
[16:33] <Sven_vB> pnwise, afaik ufw uses the same filtering mechanism that iptables uses under the hood.
[16:33] <grammoboy2> TJ-, non commented = a line without a # in front of it?
[16:33] <grammoboy2> TJ-, or with?
[16:33] <TJ-> grammoboy2: likewise, for crypttab, any (non commented) entries are interpreted by systemd-cryptsetup-generator and .unit files created
[16:33] <pnwise> tomreyn, ufw deny from 52.17.98.131 to any
[16:33] <TJ-> grammoboy2: # is the comment character, anything after it is ignored
[16:33] <pnwise>  iptables -A INPUT -s 52.17.98.131 -p TCP -j DROP
[16:34] <pnwise> no difference
[16:34] <pnwise> it shows in iptables chains
[16:34] <Sven_vB> pnwise, use iptables-save and iptables-load instead
[16:34] <pnwise> and in ufw status
[16:34] <TJ-> pnwise: because a rule before that one ACCEPTs it
[16:34] <TJ-> pnwise:  first matching rule wins
[16:35] <TJ-> pnwise: -A is --append which appends to end of rule list of that chain
[16:35] <Sven_vB> nice example of why you should always use long options.
[16:36] <TJ-> pnwise:  alternative is "iptables -I INPUT 1 ... -j DROP" (-I == --insert <position> which, if not typed, defaults to 1 - top of chain)
[16:38] <pnwise> I added in /etc/ufw/before.rules
[16:39] <TJ-> pnwise: according to "man ufw" you can do "ufw insert 1 deny .."
[16:40] <grammoboy2> TJ-, hm ok. So issue still open
[16:40] <pnwise> TJ-, thanks I was kind in panic, that is way better
[16:40] <grammoboy2> TJ-, in 1404 I always got that option to skip swap or wait or mnt manual. I don't have it now when booting upstart
[16:41] <grammoboy2> TJ-, not sure if that gives hints
[16:41] <TJ-> grammoboy2: I'm not sure what has changed but it is a long time since I used 14.04 or 16.04
[16:41] <seven-eleven> does ubuntu support NDBE?
[16:42] <TJ-> grammoboy2: but the problem you need to solve is *where* is the instruction to mount the swap coming from if the entries in fstab are commented out. You could try removing them (make a copy of the original file first of course) and see if that changes behaviour - if it doesn't then those swap instructions are from some other service/unit
[16:43] <supay> hey, i'm trying to setup regolith-linux (i3 with some other niceties) on virtualbox on mac osx. i want to know what my left command key maps to so i can set it appropriately in the i3 config.. any idea how to do that?
[16:44] <TJ-> supay: this is support for Ubuntu
[16:56] <grammoboy2> TJ-, how in the world do you know so much about ubuntu?
[16:56] <TJ-> grammoboy2: just comes naturally I guess
[16:57] <grammoboy2> TJ-, I guess not
[16:57] <SimonNL> hard work
[16:59] <SimonNL> loads of spare time
[17:01] <TJ-> spare time... what's that?
[17:16] <nshire> anyone know why I get ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ repeating on the terminal screen immediately after the gui closes when I shutdown?
[17:16] <nshire> it only shows for a second
[17:16] <nshire> just curious what it means
[17:25] <cstk421> having an issue installing ubuntu via Virtualbox on MacOS.  Unable to select the hard disk created for the VM.  Is there a step im missing here ?
[17:27] <nshire> what disk format did you set it as? vdi?
[17:29] <cstk421> I tried both default vdi and vmdk
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> cstk421: help with virtualbox, you can try #vbox if you like
[17:30] <cstk421> yeah they were less than helpful thus far
[17:40] <blb4393> can an older system on an ssd be made uefi compatible? The idea was to simply install older ssd into a new computer and boot but new computer only support uefi boot
[17:41] <phillipsjk> The bios has no legacy option? I think you will need something like 500MB for a UEFI partition.
[17:42] <blb4393> no legacy option
[17:42] <blb4393> is /boot partition the uefi one?
[17:44] <phillipsjk> AFAIK UEFI partitions use vfat. if /boot is large enough, you may be able to resize it. (only have one UEFI machine myself, and installed Slackware on it)
[17:44] <mgedmin> I've once managed to convert an old system to SSD boot after a motherboard replacement
[17:44] <mgedmin> you need to have a VFAT partition in the SSD and mount it on /boot/EFI
[17:45] <mgedmin> and then do some magic steps I have written down somewhere
[17:47] <TJ-> nshire: ^@ is the terminal representiation of zero bytes, and is likely due to some process, or the kernel, writing direct to console with some 'stray' / bad data. It may also appear in the captured kernel log file
[17:48] <nshire> 0x00?
[17:48] <mgedmin> apt install grub-efi-amd64 && grub-install /dev/sdX basically
[17:49] <mgedmin> the VFAT partition has to have some flags turned on (boot and esp) and, uh, I set the volume label to EFI but I'm not sure that's strictly necessary
[17:50] <TJ-> blb4393:  yes, it can be made that way, I wrote a bit about pre-preparing for that in my FDE install help guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019#Pre-Prepare_Encrypted_Partitions
[17:50] <TJ-> nshire:  yes
[17:51] <TJ-> blb4393: for in-place conversion it can depend on whether the device has an msdos or GPT disk label (partitioning) scheme
[17:53] <TJ-> blb4393: phillipsjk EFI-SP vfat (FAT12/16/32) can be as small as 10MB ... rarely anything large is ever in it, but larger size is sometimes needed in order to not cause the PC's own boot firmare to bug out - most compatible size is mooted to be 550MB but I rarely use anything more than 64MB
[17:54] <phillipsjk> 550MB would force fat32 over FAT16 I guess.
[17:56] <blb4393> TJ-: which will work then gpt or mbr?
[17:56] <mgedmin> both should work
[17:57] <TJ-> blb4393: in theory the UEFI specification mandates support for both MBR and GPT *but* some PC implementations don't support MBR in UEFI mode
[17:59] <TJ-> blb4393: if the disk has MBR now and you can free up about 32MB of space by resizing another partition, then you can create an EFI System Partition there, format it with mkfs.vfat, and then go about integrating it into the OS boot config and installing the EFI packages required as mgedmin mentioned eariler
[18:00] <blb4393> I have rootfs and home. I'd need to resize the rootfs
[18:01] <mgedmin> you'll probably have to boot into a livecd session: ext4 doesn't support online resizing to shrink partitions (it supports online resize for growing partitions)
[18:01] <mgedmin> this is where having a swap partition would've come in handy
[18:01] <TJ-> blb4393: which one is at the end of the disk... if you can simply shrink that by 64MB that would be enough to add an EFI-SP on the end
[18:03] <TJ-> mgedmin: blb4393 can be done online, if there's a /home/ file-system that can be unmounted by dropping to shell at TTY and going into emergency mode so you're root user and so don't need the /home/$USER/ to be mounted
[18:03] <mgedmin> in theory you could log in into a text console, cd /, become root, unmount /home and shrink it
[18:03] <mgedmin> after stopping any gui sessions that would keep /home open
[18:04] <mgedmin> I prefer this kind of surgery from a livecd where I can do things in a chroot while keeping a browser window open to a page with instructions ;)
[18:04] <TJ-> I did that a few months ago, by going to a TTY, doing "sudo systemctl stop display-manager.service" then "sudo systemctl start emergency.target" I think it was
[18:04] <mgedmin> obligatory disclaimer: make sure you have full backups before you start playing with partitions
[18:05]  * mgedmin once did a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/the-wrong-one-oops
[18:06] <blb4393> what does 'integrating into the OS boot config' exactly mean? I've seen some key management there in BIOS. Is that what you mean?
[18:06] <blb4393> or you mean grub.conf
[18:15] <blb4393> well, I think I just backup home and reinstall the system
[18:31] <WaV> sorry guys. that was my last time
[18:32] <OerHeks> :-)
[18:39] <mgedmin> key management is for secure boot; while UEFI is necessary for secure boot, secure boot itself is not necessary for UEFI boot
[18:46] <immu> hi all
[18:49] <B|ack0p> finally re-installed ubuntu 18/04 error free :p
[18:49] <B|ack0p> hope doesnt freeze again
[18:49] <immu> i also dumped Windows 10x and wiped my disk and installed Ubuntu
[18:50] <B|ack0p> well i still keep win10
[18:50] <B|ack0p> dual booting
[18:50] <immu> i got tired of the way it installed updates
[18:51] <B|ack0p> me too but i need it..
[18:54] <immu> ok
[18:57] <B|ack0p> where is grub config location?
[18:57] <TJ-> B|ack0p:  grub.cfg? /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:58] <B|ack0p> i think so
[18:58] <B|ack0p> i wanna edit timer
[18:58] <B|ack0p> TJ-: not that sorry
[18:58] <B|ack0p> there must be another file
[18:59] <B|ack0p> just grub maybe
[18:59] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: /etc/default/grub
[19:00] <B|ack0p> tomreyn: thank you!
[19:01] <B|ack0p> how can i set debian grub theme instead of purple?
[19:01] <tomreyn> B|ack0p: dpkg -S packagename     lists all the files in package "packagename". you can pipe the output into grep to filter it, e.g. for /etc/
[19:01] <B|ack0p> thx tomreyn
[19:02] <B|ack0p> i can watch Netflix without problem on ubuntu not like windows..
[19:07] <phillipsjk> When I try to Insutall Ubuntu, it claimsmy chosen machine name is inuse. the router does not apper to list a conflicting name it it's list of connected devices
[19:07] <phillipsjk> I even double-checked the name I have printed on the hard-disks.
[19:10] <TJ-> phillipsjk: that sounds unusual, are you using the regular live installer for desktop ?
[19:11] <TJ-> phillipsjk: maybe there's something in the name you're choosing that is causing another error and the wrong error is reported to you
[19:11] <phillipsjk> Of course the router does not reliably report the machine behind my wirless bridge, but that has a different name. I also have 8VMs running on my FreeBSB machine, but with NAT, I don't think names should be leaking.
[19:12] <phillipsjk> TJ-, live DVD
[19:12] <phillipsjk> Desktop
[19:12] <phillipsjk> It is an name I may have used on the network before, but I have no idea how the router would know about it.
[19:14] <TJ-> phillipsjk: could be due to dynamic-DNS and its been saved by the router... so a DHCP request sends the hostname to the router and router says no?
[19:14] <phillipsjk> Huh, adding a '2', then deleting it seemed to work. (may have been a 4th dimentional problem)
[19:14] <TJ-> phillipsjk: :)
[19:15] <TJ-> phillipsjk:  could also be a multicast-DNS query is broadcast and something responded
[19:15] <phillipsjk> It would have used the same MAC address though :P
[19:19] <texla> how to activate numlockx at login in ubuntu mate 19.04
[19:19] <TJ-> texla: add to the autostart list?
[19:22] <Sven_vB> what's the latest lowlatency xenial kernel?
[19:23] <TJ-> !info linux-image-lowlatency-hwe-edge xenial
[19:23] <TJ-> !info linux-image-lowlatency-hwe-16.04 xenial
[19:24] <TJ-> !info linux-image-lowlatency-hwe-16.04-edge xenial
[19:24] <phillipsjk> only 2kB?
[19:25] <ioria> it's a meta-package
[19:30] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[19:30] <Sven_vB> is it also recommended or rather experimental?
[19:32] <ioria> it's not in 'proposed' if that what you mean
[19:35] <bishop0x2fd> l
[19:42] <bishop0x2fd> .
[19:42] <Sven_vB> ioria, thanks, yes I think I meant that.
[19:42] <ioria> ok
[19:44] <Sven_vB> while booting / systemd progress messages are showing, is there a way to always have the hostname in the top right corner?
[19:48] <TJ-> Sven_vB: not from the host itself
[19:48] <Sven_vB> TJ-, thanks
[19:48] <TJ-> kernel is writing directly to the console at tha stage
[20:13] <B|ack0p> there is an unknown bluetooth device not set in the list - how can i find out what it is?
[20:15] <PsyStemUpdate> can someone help me understand why my X server crashes when i turn on my computer? heres a little info: i installed nvidia driver and when i turn my laptop on, i have to switch to a tty ctrl+alt f5, invoke modprobe nvidia, then startx; this is the only way i can get it to work. https://pastebin.com/PcwuVf2C
[20:21] <wedr> Hello, I probably may need some help with a network configuration for Hexchat IRC client.
[20:22] <wedr> I'm getting the following error: Connection failed ((336130315) error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)
[20:22] <wedr> I'm not sure where or what to look for. Any help is gladly appreciated.
[20:25] <phillipsjk> !optimus
[20:25] <phillipsjk> PsyStemUpdate, ^
[20:26] <phillipsjk> You machine has an intel video chip as well
[20:26] <phillipsjk> *your
[20:27] <fengway> do nvidia properity drivers perform better for gaming?
[20:27] <OerHeks> fengway, for older cards: no
[20:27] <fengway> i have 1080ti
[20:28] <OerHeks> for that generation, you can test it yourself
[20:28] <fengway> okey, it's just best to chenge it from "software & updates" right?
[20:29] <fengway> change*
[20:29] <OerHeks> Yes, the standard driver tool, or comandline: sudo ubuntu-drivers list --- sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[20:30] <Bashing-om> PsyStemUpdate: System sure is not happy with the Nvidia module :( How did you install the driver ?
[20:31] <fengway> Steam is doing wonders for linux gaming
[20:32] <TJ-> wedr: that error suggests an incompatible protocol version is being attempted
[20:32] <wedr> Hmmm
[20:33] <wedr> All I know is that Ubuntu booted me out to the login screen all of a sudden, and then later Hexchat failed.
[20:36] <TJ-> wedr: was there a package upgrade before that? sounds like maybe some libraries have been upgraded
[20:37] <TJ-> fengway: steam does wonders for ironing too
[20:37] <wedr> Not sure.
[20:37] <wedr> I wasn't even aware Ubuntu was installing/upgrading in the background
[20:37] <phillipsjk> wedr: a lot of host are requiring TLS1.2 now.
[20:37] <TJ-> wedr: if libsll was upgraded I can imagine that possibly causing a temporary issue
[20:37] <TJ-> libssl even!
[20:38] <wedr> Hmm interesting
[20:39] <TJ-> wedr:  can't tell you when the last upgrade for Ubuntu came through for libssl since I use a custom build of a more recent version
[20:39] <wedr> Ok, I will try and see if I can connect using Irssi
[20:40] <wedr> Otherwise, I might just have to fiddle with stuffs. Ugh
[20:40] <TJ-> but "less /usr/share/doc/libssl1.1/changelog.Debian.gz" will show the last date a change was committed
[20:42] <TJ-> wedr:  you can also find the changelog on the right of a package overview page such as https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/libssl1.1
[20:43] <wedr> TJ- The changelog isn't useful because it doesn't show what time and date the new logs were appended/added
[20:45] <TJ-> wedr: the idea is to look for the latest change having a very recent commit date... that clues you in when you have an idea which packages may be responsible. Also you can look at /var/log/apt/history.log -- end of that file will be most recent upgrades
[20:46] <wedr> I see
[20:46] <wedr> currently hexchat is using libssl 1.1
[20:49] <wedr> So there was an unattended upgrade today early morning
[20:55] <wedr> anyway, I'll just restart my computer after work, no biggie, since I'm still able to chat.
[21:04] <towlie_> help, how do i add a private cert for snap to trust?
[21:04] <towlie_> i am on company network with PA
[21:05] <sweb> i test ubuntu 19.04 as server experimetnal, ivgot amny kernel log about apparmor
[21:05] <sweb> is it normal ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6TNh49qSf5/
[21:07] <PsyStemUpdate> anyone have my previous pastebin link. im on a different computer
[21:10] <TJ-> PsyStemUpdate:  https://pastebin.com/PcwuVf2C
[21:10] <vlt> https://pastebin.com/PcwuVf2C
[21:11] <vlt> (Oh, was scrolled up)
[21:12] <PsyStemUpdate> thanks
[21:51] <iffraff> Hi, when I try to add my self to a group it says I'm already a part of that group but when I do "groups" I do not see the group in the list
[21:53] <compdoc> have you logged out and back in?
[21:54] <iffraff> well, (gotta love ubuntu) I went to the power button and held the alt key and clicked.  I thne had to log back in.
[21:54] <iffraff> I think I should try and log out from the cli
[21:54] <iffraff> well, that didn't work it just closed my cli
[21:55] <TJ-> iffraff: try looking at the difference between "groups" and "groups $USER"
[21:55] <iffraff> uh, yea. $USER has what I want.  what's the deal.
[21:56] <iffraff> the issue is specifically /dev/kvm is owned by root:kvm.
[21:56] <TJ-> iffraff: so you add your $USER to kvm group
[21:56] <iffraff> I'm told I don't have permissions for /dev/kvm.  when I change owner to myuser:myuser it works, but then that dir get over written agian
[21:57] <TJ-> iffraff: "groups" reports the groups your CURRENT login is a member of, "groups $USER" reports the groups the user is configured to be a member of at NEXT login
[21:57] <OerHeks> logout and login, done
[21:58] <iffraff> yea that's what it sounds like. but for the love of god how do you log out of freakin ubuntu?
[21:58] <TJ-> iffraff: as OerHeks says user session has to log-out and in again for it to take effect
[21:58] <iffraff> why is there not just a logout button like every other os in the world?
[21:58] <TJ-> I think you've found one of the many joys of Gnome :)
[21:59] <OerHeks> but now owner of /dev/kvm ..? not sure that change is valid
[21:59] <OerHeks> it is the result of not refreshing the groups, i guess
[22:00] <iffraff> but seriously :) how do I logout?  I mean holding alt and clicking the power button does not seem to be sufficient
[22:00] <TJ-> iffraff: I've not touched Gnome in almost a decade so no idea
[22:01] <iffraff> I guess I could reboot. I hear you.  I'll reboot.
[22:01] <iffraff> Thanks folks.
[22:01] <OerHeks> look into shutdown now ..
[22:13] <PsyStemUpdate> anyone ever have experience with a compiled from source program not uninstalling...make uninstall isnt removing wine for me
[22:13] <PsyStemUpdate> sudo make uninstall either
[22:14] <PsyStemUpdate> anyone know if lvm snapshots will help fix issues like this?
[22:16] <hggdh> PsyStemUpdate: not all implement uninstall. I have never used wine, so I cannot say anything about it thou. When implemented, it should be run from the same source setup used to build and install
[22:17] <OerHeks> building wine is not really hot on support here. use the prebuild packages.
[22:18] <OerHeks> snapshots can reverse such issues indeed easily, to answer your 2nd Q
[22:21] <PsyStemUpdate> thnx...next time ill take more advantage of lvm...seems the only option...as for why i compiled, i keep getting bad exe format errors from the repo wine, and now compiled wine ...theres no fix online, i looked everywhere
[22:22] <PsyStemUpdate> my eyes dont work, thats how long ive been staring at the scree...im seeing colorful blurs everywhere like im  on lsd
[22:31] <CarlFK> is there an app to remove this?   mediainfo MOV_0033.mp4 |grep Rot ... Rotation                                 : 90°
[22:37] <vlt> CarlFK: ffmpeg should do this.
[23:34] <Sven_vB> I changed to grub-efi, ran update-initramfs -u, grub-install, it found my kernel, added it, it shows in the boot menu, but when I try to boot it, the screen just goes blank. the latest entries in syslog and kern.log are too old to be relevant. any ideas?
[23:36] <phillipsjk> Are you able to move the video card from the old machine to the new one?
[23:37] <phillipsjk> (my uestion is only relvant if grub actually loads)
[23:37] <Sven_vB> phillipsjk, you mean me? nope, there is no old machine. it's a notebook with integrated graphics, the same as when I first installed the Ubuntu that I'm trying to recover.
[23:38] <Sven_vB> but I could compare the GRUB graphics settings indeed.
[23:42] <Sven_vB> I could uncomment GRUB_TERM=console, but it says that's just for grub-pc anyway.
[23:42] <Sven_vB> well, it won't hurt then.
[23:42] <Sven_vB> oh ok the graphic settings are all the same as for the Bionic live session which I use to repair the xenial.
[23:43] <Sven_vB> and GRUB works fine. the screen only goes black when I confirm to boot Ubuntu. I have "quiet splash" removed btw