[02:02] <phillipsjk> ..but topic sasy "no ranting" ;)
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, there's #ubuntu-offtopic ... but I'm sure you're capable of being constructive in criticism :-)
[02:04] <phillipsjk> I know Knoppix fixed my complaint by not using systemd.
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> how often do you run live mode? any particular purpose?
[02:06] <phillipsjk> Mainly trying to install Ubuntu, but I have been using other live DVDs for over a year due to alack of properly configured computer.
[02:08] <phillipsjk> Is USB booting now preferred for isntallation? I don't really like the lack of write protection on those.
[02:12] <pragmaticenigma> USB is probably the most common installation method. For machines I have to use optical media on, I either make use of Ubuntu's mini.iso installer or use Plop to get a boot environment that I can the start the image from the USB. Something to note, Plop does not include any write routines, which means the USB is effectively read-only
[02:14] <phillipsjk> I used to think ROM had superior security until I learned about return-oriented programming.
[02:15] <phillipsjk> I also noted that all my packages installed from DVD were promptly replaced by updates from the web.
[02:17] <pragmaticenigma> phillipsjk: That's why I install with the mini.iso ... mini.iso only comes with the smallest amount of "stuff" to boot the machine to the installer. After that all the packages are installed from the web. They are installed with the latest versions available in the repos. Once the machine is done installing, I don't have to wait around for updates
[02:18] <phillipsjk> 40MB: I can use up com CD-Rs I have alying around too. (but I have to pay music royalties on those, so DVDs may be cheaper)
[02:22] <pragmaticenigma> CD-R's only have music royalties attached if they have the "music" label on them
[02:23] <pragmaticenigma> phillipsjk: and depending on how long those CD-Rs have been laying around, better to use them, than to keep them around doing nothing
[02:25] <pragmaticenigma> depending on the quality of the disk, the substrate used for burning, does eventually break down
[02:27] <phillipsjk> pragmaticenigma, not in canada. As as 'win', the lobby did not get the royalties on MP3 player and cell phone storage they wanted.
[02:28] <phillipsjk> Also DVDs being exempt, as I mentioned
[02:29]  * pragmaticenigma makes note to not buy CD-Rs from Canada
[02:30] <phillipsjk> I looked into examption for data use: you essentially need to use enough CDs to get your own batch from the manufacturer.
[02:31] <phillipsjk> Probably hurts independent artists the most.
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> or figure out a way to get them in from the US?
[02:37] <phillipsjk> could get stopped in customs. Not worth the trouble for how many CD-Rs I use.
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> I think I'm not alone in wondering why ... but to each their own. you gotta use what works best for you
[03:54] <phillipsjk> I assume you can install additional packages with an extra tty with the mini.iso?
[03:55]  * phillipsjk did an emergency installation of 'smartmontools' because he smelled burning (external source) and temperatures reported by LCD thing were normal.
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> mini is just a base, you can do anything with it
[05:25] <ducasse> good morning
[06:40] <EoflaOE> Good morning everyone
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> morning EoflaOE
[06:40] <EoflaOE> Good morning lotuspsychje. How is your day?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> starting great, coffee & sunny outside
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> how are you?
[06:41] <EoflaOE> I am doing fine. Sunny outside too
[09:48] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:17] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello
[11:19] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:23] <marcoagpinto> bbiab
[13:44] <EoflaOE> Hello marcoagpinto
[13:45] <marcoagpinto> hey
[13:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:45] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE!
[13:45] <EoflaOE> How are you marcoagpinto?
[13:46] <marcoagpinto> I can't answer
[13:46] <marcoagpinto> and you?
[13:46] <EoflaOE> I am doing fine.
[15:03] <marcoagpinto> is anyone there?!
[15:17] <ducasse> there usually is
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> I am feeling lonely
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: congrats with your remaining council
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: are you there?
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[16:56] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Yes, but school is tomorrow so can't talk much now.
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> oki
[16:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:19] <hggdh> lordievader: thank you
[17:19] <hggdh> erm... sorry, was for lotus
[17:23] <EoflaOE> hello hggdh
[17:33] <hggdh> EoflaOE: good afternoon :-)
[17:34] <EoflaOE> hggdh: Good afternoon to you too