[01:19] <wxl[m]> @HMollerCl lsc sucked. What are the problems? 
[02:00] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> I don't even know what CI is. Apart from its full form. :P
[02:01] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, yeah noted the time of iso creation. And for some wierd reason zsync is not working. Thanks sophos.
[02:02] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> @HMollerCl lsc sucked. What are the problems?], Performance, every click, scroll, uniconify take forever
[02:03] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> I will be away for today. Can only answer here. Someone please check the new iso. @guiverc @HMollerCl ?
[02:03] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @The_LoudSpeaker [I don't even know what CI is. Apart from its full form. :P], Jenkins
[02:03] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2 [Jenkins], English Bhaiya!
[02:03] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I can walk you through if you're interested
[02:04] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2 [I can walk you through if you're interested], Sure. But not today. And not unless my ongoing tasks are completed. Can you wait that long?
[02:11] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @The_LoudSpeaker [Sure. But not today. And not unless my ongoing tasks are completed. Can you wait …], Sure!
[02:15] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @The_LoudSpeaker [I will be away for today. Can only answer here. Someone please check the new iso …], Sorry I'm on vacations with low access
[02:30] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl [Sorry I'm on vacations with low access], No problem.
[03:01] <guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker, updating daily ISO; 92.5%  .. T59 (d43) I take it was purpose of iso check
[03:04] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! I am here. Waiting. Let me know the result.
[03:43] <guiverc> booted on d780 (old dell optiplex); I already had firefox open to read D43 so CTRL+ALT+B opened a new tab rather than new window; if i closed firefox; yes it opened firefox (browser).  META+R didn't do anything until I stop/start runner in session.settings
[03:43] <guiverc> (the dell keyboard didn't have HOMEPAGE or SEARCH keys)
[03:44] <guiverc> booting daily on x201 (thinkpad)
[03:44] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> One of my friends turned on disk checking and then restarted his pc. Since he has 4-5 TBs of data, windows says it will take 12 hours or so. And he can't use his pc meanwhile.  … So I gave him my test system. With eoan latest on it. He's loving it. Yay!!
[03:45] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @guiverc [<guiverc> booted on d780 (old dell optiplex); I already had firefox open to read …], Yay! So we will have to look into how runner starts.
[03:46] <guiverc> on x201, Ctrl+alt+B opened firefox at start (first keys used), META+R didn't work as before initially, no search or hmepage keys - start/stop of runner in lxqt.session.settings made META+R work as with d78-
[03:47] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> I have search key on my system but I don't know how, for some reason, it was getting read as meta+f. Will see tomorrow.
[03:47] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> @guiverc [<guiverc> on x201, Ctrl+alt+B opened firefox at start (first keys used), META+R …], Thanks!
[03:49] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, on some keyboards, instead of homepage, there's browser key. We will have to add an entry for that as well.
[03:58] <wxl> fyi had to reboot the webserver. the homepage was down for a spell.
[04:03] <guiverc> did same test on hp 8200; same results.. it's "internet" key didn't do anything (expected); hp's version of 'browser' key I guess
[04:47] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Thanks! @guiverc,
[04:47] <guiverc> :)  most welcome
[06:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5734f974a13c: Add show hidden files] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5734f974a13c
[06:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL87ed6c289a43: Add By modification time] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL87ed6c289a43
[06:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc71d8165f19e: Add sorting desktop icons by file size] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc71d8165f19e
[06:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1b89fba09a9a: Add by file name] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1b89fba09a9a
[06:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcf68b839a5ae: Add Descending sort order] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcf68b839a5ae
[16:15] <Ayushman> lubuntu with LXDE was way better, with the GUI .. LXQT is too bloated for an old PC 
[16:16] <Ayushman> the whole point of Lubuntu is old PC and performance, now both are kaput with LXQT
[16:16] <Ayushman> just saying
[17:15] <wxl> 2
[17:27] <wxl> so researching how lxqt-session starts things
[17:29] <wxl> i can say that here is where the meat of the work happens https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-session/blob/master/lxqt-session/src/lxqtmodman.cpp#L104
[17:30] <wxl> tl;dr it makes a list of desktop files and iterates across them, starting them and logging as such (and dealing with tray apps separately)
[17:47] <wxl> supposedly those logs are through qcdebug which i *THINK* are output under `stderr` but i changed /usr/bin/startlxqt to `exec lxqt-session 2>/tmp/session-log` and i'm not seeing the "start" lines
[17:49] <wxl> that was just with a logout, but i can confirm at the login screen that lxqt-session is NOT running, so startlxqt *should* be called
[17:55] <wxl> furthermore /usr/share/xsessions/Lubuntu.desktop (which is out particular session) itself calls startlxqt not lxqt-session so that should have worked
[18:29] <wxl> looks like we should get logging no matter what, though if NDEBUG is defined, then QtInfoMsgs are removed https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-session/blob/d9845de1ed89afeef9c96661ec98068e93973e10/lxqt-session/src/log.cpp#L31
[18:31] <wxl> hilariously it isn't mentioned anywhere, so i think you've got to kind of do work to get NDEBUG off XD