 @TotalSonic [Big thanks to @Flohack and all on the TELEports team for continued excellent wor …], Yes, thanks @Flohack! I'm really pleased that it's now possible to copy message text to the clipboard.
[03:35] <hallyn> think i asked this before - what would be the easiest way fo ra libertine container ot cause notifications?
[04:33] <hallyn> (script in a container) i'm assuming xbiff can't work :)
[04:50] <hallyn> i guess tomorrow i'll try out notify-send
 Hmmm
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 Hi There, I have created a hackish, but good working solution to send PUSH notifications when a FaceBook Messenger message arrives. Please read, test, and tell me your improvement ideas: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3126/facebook-messenger-push-notifications
 In case someone needs a OPO :)
 OnePlus One - 64GB - Ubuntu Touch Edition Sandstone Black (Ohne Simlock) OVP | eBay … https://www.ebay.de/itm/113890390169
 can it ship to Asia? 😁
 We definitly need to do something about cookies in morph. I opend the link above and was presented with a peronalized 5€ voucher.
 @Danfro [We definitly need to do something about cookies in morph. I opend the link above …], More developers ^^
 Well, mess around with their data... Click on 20 things you're not interested in and the "personalized" voucher won't be that personalized any more ;)
 In fact, I dream of a tool which I can have running and it will just inject byzantinic error in data collection algorithms big style :D
 [Edit] In fact, I dream of a tool which I can have running and it will just inject byzantinic errors in data collection algorithms big style :D
 @mzanetti [In fact, I dream of a tool which I can have running and it will just inject byza …], A very good idea! 😈
 I am using uMatrix extension for firefox at home. There you can set a randomized user agent/browser/system config to snd back.
 I don't intend to be rude by expanding on something off-topic with this question but... _are_ people here still using/recommending umatrix?
 I had planned to start and try using it but there were some stories about it being insecure and collecting data
 @Christopher [I had planned to start and try using it but there were some stories about it bei …], Who told you that?
 I guess I can't find the stories on the internet now... maybe I was thinking of something else...
 maybe I was recalling something like this … https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20178267
 Well thats about the server side
 uMatriks is the app side, and it does not much other than relaying what you want to the Matrix network
 And we wont discuss here if Matrix is "insecure and collects data" :)
[09:47] <flaburgan> hi everyone. Is there a place where I can read the changelog of the weekly release candidates?
 @flaburgan [hi everyone. Is there a place where I can read the changelog of the weekly relea …], You can see on Github what PRs were closed, but we do not have a weekly changelog
[09:49] <flaburgan> okay
[09:50] <flaburgan> the github milestone looks quite old: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestones?state=closed
[09:50] <flaburgan> you don't use it anymore?
[09:51] <flaburgan> or am I looking at the wrong repo? because that's also the case for the PRs
 \\gizmo\Support\upload\incidents\INC0174488\61
 wait a sec
 We use only those project trackers now: https://github.com/orgs/ubports/projects
[09:53] <flaburgan> okay so global tracker
[09:53] <flaburgan> that's better :D
[09:56] <flaburgan> @flohack so looking at that board for example for the OTA-11, what is actually included into the RC?
[09:56] <flaburgan> when it's in the Done column?
[09:56] <flaburgan> or when it's in the QA one?
 In the QA already ^^ since thats whats merged and what lands in devel and RC
[10:01] <flaburgan> OK
[10:01] <flaburgan> but then how do I know if it's already in RC or still in devel?
 Basically RC gets moved automatically each Wed, so for example I merged the dialler color PR today, it will be tomorrow on devel and on Wed in RC ^^
 Its really just the date of the merge
[10:04] <flaburgan> okay, so RC is branched every Wednesday?
 Not really branched, its just building another image after devel and assigns it to RC
 Unless we flag issues with blocker labels, then nothing is moved
[10:12] <flaburgan> okay
[10:12] <flaburgan> thank you for your explanation
 @Javacookies [can it ship to Asia? 😁], Only into the EU
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 Hello!  Is there any chance to show Huawei OS Ubuntu Touch? I apologize for my gorgeous English))
 @Nurtaza [Hello!  Is there any chance to show Huawei OS Ubuntu Touch? I apologize for my g …], Sorry, no, we are not going to actively try to get into such partnerships. Everything is open source, if they like it, they could take it right away. And they are part of a huge political discussion, we are not going to take any side of that.
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 @mzanetti [In fact, I dream of a tool which I can have running and it will just inject byza …], https://trackthis.link/
 :D
 haha, awesome
 @UniversalSuperBox [https://trackthis.link/], But I've all trackers disabled
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 won't it be easy to ignore sudden burst of open pages from the trackers side?
 @NotKit [won't it be easy to ignore sudden burst of open pages from the trackers side?], No, browser resumes
 ugh
 in that case you should have visited that page before
 Do it twice. :D
 really one needs a botnet that just constantly refreshes sites with tracking, but from all different kinds of IPs and user agents and screen sizes, etc…
 and i guess also an https://t.me/UBportsOF to discuss it in
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 @austenite [austenite was added by: dohbee], guess you got your issue with telegram fixed then
 @dohbee [guess you got your issue with telegram fixed then], I had to delete my account ;0
 wow
 Wow
 grr!
 wow the video is awesome! who created it? I already have a guess of whose voice that is 😁
 Video?
 what video are you all even talking about
[17:42] <hallyn> sigh - phone completely hung on accepting a phonecall.  that was unexpected.  /me makes a note to go over the logs tonight
 it's hard to share in UT LOL
 https://youtu.be/1sPtRdZlEu4
 there it goes
 Hmmmmm?
 but I can't find my face! I paused it 😂
 Me thinks it wayne
 Flo's face was easy to spot :p
 @Javacookies [https://youtu.be/1sPtRdZlEu4], nice!
 What a superb video, summing up what's great about UT and the community. Well done folks.
 Still think revolution is a bit over the top
 nah, eat the rich for sure. but there is a bit of a tinfoil hat aspect to that video that makes me cringe
 Are any of you going to OggCamp?
 @dohbee [nah, eat the rich for sure. but there is a bit of a tinfoil hat aspect to that v …], Yeah the foilhat part was a bit much
 Can someone post the link for the dev channel, I'm too lazy to look for it.
 I don't mind the tin foil hat. Privacy is a big part of why I use UT.
 Dev channel?
 The app dev one?
 privacy is one thing. tin foil hat is a bit different
 Indeed
 and really, if we have to resort to talking about how "bad" others are, rather than how good we are, we aren't that good
 But hey pretty animations :p
 [Edit] But hey, pretty animations :p
 Now we just need one to showcase UT
 @Fuseteam [The app dev one?], Yes please.
 I actually didn't focus on the video's message, I just thought the production looks great 😁
 @Javacookies [I actually didn't focus on the video's message, I just thought the production lo …], Yes, production looked great.
 @dohbee [privacy is one thing. tin foil hat is a bit different], It is, but it is also a somewhat of a Venn diagram. In my opinion.
 nah. paranoia is not a requirement of privacy :)
 ;)
 The alpha for the Axolotl app - a new Signal encrypted messaging client for UT - is looking very promising!!  Registering with Signal straight from the app, sending and receiving text messages, receiving attachments, adding from Contacts, and basic linking to the Signal desktop app are working already.  A big thanks to @nanu_c for his
[19:03] <ubptgbot> work on this!!  When it is finished this will make a great addition to UT's capabilities.
 @TotalSonic [The alpha for the Axolotl app - a new Signal encrypted messaging client for UT - …], the what?
 An signal client i suppose
 Axolotl is quite name tho
 @iamjackscompletelackofsurprise [Yes please.], I think its @ut_appdev
 Not sure
 @Fuseteam [I think its @ut_appdev], it is not
 https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN
 Found it, but thank you all the same.
 Dang wattaname
 @Fuseteam [An signal client i suppose], Yes, its a entirely new rewrite of the existing Signal client.
 @dohbee [the what?], it's the name of a rare Mexican amphibian - definitely a mouth full.  But it's a client for Signal - https://signal.org/
 Nice name, nice icon.
 Still a mountfull of a name :p
 @Danfro [Nice name, nice icon.], I agree!  And the basics are working
 @TotalSonic [it's the name of a rare Mexican amphibian - definitely a mouth full.  But it's a …], i know what the animal is
 @Fuseteam [Still a mountfull of a name :p], not if you have Aztec heritage ;)
 @Danfro [Nice name, nice icon.], [Edit] I agree!  And the basics are already working
 Soon it shall be known as the 'Axo" app
 but i typed "axolotl ubuntu touch" in ddg and only got results for loquiim, and also nothing on openstore
 Still heaps of work to be done, but its great to have some work done on this.
 so your arbitrary post made no sense to me :)
 [Edit] Soon it shall be known as the 'Axo' app
 @dohbee [but i typed "axolotl ubuntu touch" in ddg and only got results for loquiim, and …], Only a very early test click around so far. Nothing in OpenStore yet.
 @dohbee [but i typed "axolotl ubuntu touch" in ddg and only got results for loquiim, and …], It is in alpha state - there is a link on the QA forum to a click if you wish to try it - but I believe it has been updated from that since
 @TotalSonic [It is in alpha state - there is a link on the QA forum to a click if you wish to …], but the point is, that very few people in this group know about it :P
 so a random post praising something nobody knows about or how to find, is a bit odd, is all :)
 And now more know about xD
 [Edit] And now more know about it xD
 @dohbee [but the point is, that very few people in this group know about it :P], Which is exactly the reason for my post - since I have been testing the alpha - to let people know that a Signal client that actually works is coming soon
 A link to it would be nice :p
 Fair enough for me xD
 @TotalSonic [Which is exactly the reason for my post - since I have been testing the alpha - …], but without context, how would anyone know exactly? :P
 @Fuseteam [A link to it would be nice :p], https://github.com/nanu-c/textsecure-qml/releases/download/v0.6.1/textsecure.nanuc_0.6.1_armhf.click
 It is in alpha state - test at your own risj
 [Edit] It is in alpha state - test at your own risk
 @dohbee [but without context, how would anyone know exactly? :P], My original post provided the context - please reread that to see
 There we go, let the hype begin
 Hmm it says text secure
 @Fuseteam [Hmm it says text secure], Because textsecure is the original namespace
 @TotalSonic [My original post provided the context - please reread that to see], i mean, the current discussion wasn't people asking for a signal client that works, or anything. there was no context for it, so then interjection about another thing just felt weird
 Then moved on to signal, not to Axo-thingy
 @dohbee [i mean, the current discussion wasn't people asking for a signal client that wor …], well - that is the fault of a Telegram forum - there is no "new thread" designator
 well telegram isn't a forum, it's a chat :P
 see now axothingy soon axo
 @dohbee [well telegram isn't a forum, it's a chat :P], Exactly - I burst into the room and gave new news.
 There's a gif for that :>
 Yeah - we need a Yumi announcement sticker
 No your description reminds me of a gif
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dMqxLR7n.mp4
 @TotalSonic [Yeah - we need a Yumi announcement sticker], there's a marketing group that posts things in the news channel :)
 Anyway - people ALL THE TIME will make posts that are new points of conversation here that are not relevant to the previous chat.  I don't see why myself doing it for the umpteenth time is so contentious now when it was in fact very relevant to UT and when it was not done as a reply.
 I think knowing a good Signal client as a UT native app is coming is relevant to general UT conversation.
 I actually had to break the news a few times in the German group so far because people would ask about Signal not working. I do believe that, although it does not help imediately, it is good to know, that something is coming up.
 @TotalSonic [Anyway - people ALL THE TIME will make posts that are new points of conversation …], because nobody had any context to even know what "axolotl" is. you just said it's a new signal client (which i couldn't find), and my reply when asking "the what?" was to tell me how it's an amphibian, which has nothing to do with signal clien
[19:22] <ubptgbot> ts
 So Stevens post served that purpose. I think that was the purpose.
 @dohbee [because nobody had any context to even know what "axolotl" is. you just said it' …], Rodney - I did indicate the name of the app and that it was a Signal client in the very same post.
 and also a link to the official signal site, which is not where one can get the client
 and it's not a new client. it's a rewrite of the existing client
 hence, your post was mucho confusing
 and well, afaict, a half-rewrite
 We could carry on filling the group with this discussion, but then I fear people will miss out on the info about axocoatl being a remake of our Signal client.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/FPH6B412.webp
 @Danfro [I actually had to break the news a few times in the German group so far because …], yeah - it's one of those apps that people who are likely to be interested in a privacy protecting mobile OS alternative often have on their list of "must haves."  Being able to have Signal on UT without having to use Anbox I think is a big deal
[19:27] <ubptgbot>  for a bunch of users and potential new users.
 Yes. A shame we won't get notifications because OWS is only pushing to clients they made by themself.
 @Danfro [Yes. A shame we won't get notifications because OWS is only pushing to clients t …], notifications are already working with the Axolotl client!
 But only if the app is open as with Signal client?
 @Danfro [But only if the app is open as with Signal client?], hmmm, need to test that
 yes, because as i understand, the server does not support ubuntu push notifications; only android/ios push
 unless it has some way to poll and rewrite includes account-polld backend support
 ok - just confirmed that notifications only occur while app is open
 guess people not worried about battery drain could use UT Tweak Tool to prevent app suspension
 @TotalSonic [guess people not worried about battery drain could use UT Tweak Tool to prevent …], Yes, thats the best workaround so far.
 Hummm
 until we get Contact list and initiating "secret chat" added in TELEports - this new Signal app seems like it will be the best option towards starting end to end encrypted messaging though
 next release of fluffychat will have e2e i think
 @dohbee [next release of fluffychat will have e2e i think], that's great to hear!
 Maybe it is top priority tho
 [Edit] Maybe, it is top priority tho
 @TotalSonic [until we get Contact list and initiating "secret chat" added in TELEports - this …], Next release of Teleports is going to have contact list and secret chats. Unless there need to be changes to the roadmap.
 @Danfro [Next release of Teleports is going to have contact list and secret chats. Unless …], that is excellent news as well.  The pace of app development for UT has really picked up nicely recently 😊
 So we will be fully equipped with Teleports, Signal and FluffyChat soon. A really great thanks to all the developers making this real!!!
 @Danfro [So we will be fully equipped with Teleports, Signal and FluffyChat soon. A reall …], Some people are still going to complain about WhatsApp though - but considering it is owned by Facebook - it is absolutely terrible from a privacy standpoint - so not really in line with the general goals of UT.
 @Danfro [So we will be fully equipped with Teleports, Signal and FluffyChat soon. A reall …], I second that though!
 @TotalSonic [Some people are still going to complain about WhatsApp though - but considering …], With all other main services (Telegram, Signal, Matrix) available, I think this is only a plus for UT. Consequent privacy support.
 @Danfro [With all other main services (Telegram, Signal, Matrix) available, I think this …], agreed
 @TotalSonic [Some people are still going to complain about WhatsApp though - but considering …], i mean, really, if one wants to praise things for privacy, you should probably leave Telegram out as well
 @dohbee [i mean, really, if one wants to praise things for privacy, you should probably l …], which is why being able to initate "secret chat" is an important feature addition
 @dohbee [i mean, really, if one wants to praise things for privacy, you should probably l …], [Edit] which is why being able to initiate "secret chat" is an important feature addition
 @dohbee [i mean, really, if one wants to praise things for privacy, you should probably l …], Depends on your viewpoint. The do not have "we sell your (meta)data)" in their smallprint. Thats an advantage.
 @TotalSonic [which is why being able to initiate "secret chat" is an important feature additi …], but that doesn't really get around the issues
 Of course not having private chats on as default is no good.
 @dohbee [but that doesn't really get around the issues], which is excactly why I was getting excited about having a Signal client that works ;)
 @dohbee [but that doesn't really get around the issues], [Edit] which is exactly why I was getting excited about having a Signal client that works ;)
 well, wow: https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/09/telegram-bug-delete-unsent-photos/
 Yeah, but does this make Telegram bad? I am sure WhatsApp will have technical issues too.
 Or we do have... :-9
 [Edit] Or we do have... 😊
 well, given their development practices with tdlib, i feel even less likely to place trust in them for matters of privacy/security
 I still think we should try to get in contact with whatsapp devs :p
 2300 spam for them
 :p
 Security flaws happen - and bug fixes are good.  And people SHOULD be aware that Telegram is not necessarily a fully secure system - and that it contains some closed source elements.  But WhatsApp is likely going to be put into a direction by Facebook of greater default data collection - and people should most definitely be aware of th
[20:01] <ubptgbot> at too.
 @dohbee [well, given their development practices with tdlib, i feel even less likely to p …], Well, I don't know about those details. I did assume they do at their best, as every developer does. But there is no software without fault.
 @Fuseteam [I still think we should try to get in contact with whatsapp devs :p], absolutely - the more options for UT that are native or at least on usable webapps the better - and then users can pick which of those options they are comfortable with
 THIS. ROCKS. Didnt see it until now
 The video I mean lol
 Lol
 @TotalSonic [absolutely - the more options for UT that are native or at least on usable webap …], Let's start looking for ways to contact them :3
 i'm pretty sure they have a web site, with a support contact listed on it, or something of the like. you're welcome to try it. please don't spam in here to try and get people to spam them though. that is rude and unacceptable behavior. :)
 maybe hehehehe
 Weirdest part is there is an open source section
 A stub but still weird
 ?
 Or at least there used to be last time i checked
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[22:42] <hallyn> i'd hoped i could use dekko to read a local maildir format mail box, but it doesn't seem to do that.  so i'm back to needing some 'newmail' style program or script in the offlineimap libertine container to give me notifications on new mail.