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QinglanHello everyone.I need some help.01:25
QinglanWhen I execute "apttitude upgrade" there is an error displayed:insserv: There is a loop between service plymouth and urandom if started.01:27
QinglanI'm a newbie and what should I do now?01:27
Bashing-omQinglan: Support is in the #ubuntu channel :)01:27
QinglanOK,thank you!01:28
Bashing-omQinglan: See you there :D01:28
QinglanBashing-om: You are there too?01:28
Bashing-omQinglan: Yup :)01:29
QinglanBashing-om: nice to meet you again:D01:31
Bashing-omQinglan: Still here even after all these years :P01:32
lotuspsychjegood morning01:33
QinglanMorning01:36
lotuspsychjehey Qinglan01:38
EoflaOEHello Bashing-om04:16
Bashing-omEoflaOE: :) Still working UWN - Got any comments to offer?04:17
EoflaOEBashing-om: In the Wiki? If so, I haven't seen it04:18
Bashing-omEoflaOE: Yup - WIKI is up for review :P04:18
EoflaOEBashing-om: I will see it now.04:20
Bashing-omEoflaOE: Great :D04:21
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marcoagpintoHeya04:51
lordievaderGood morning07:11
marcoagpintoMorning!07:12
marcoagpinto>:)07:12
marcoagpintolordievader!07:12
marcoagpintodamn... I have been adding words to the GB speller since 5am07:13
marcoagpinto:)07:13
marcoagpintoI have no life07:13
TJ-Do we have anyone with a Wikipedia account that can correct the pronunciation for Ubuntu that is currently there?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:En-Ubuntu_pronunciation.oga10:22
SwedeMikeTJ-: how do you feel it should be pronounced?10:32
TJ-SwedeMike: the proper way!10:33
SwedeMikeTJ-: and what way is that?10:35
TJ-Ask Nelson Mandela  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HED4h00xPPA10:37
SwedeMikeTJ-: what country are you from?10:37
marcoagpintoTJ-. "YouBuntu"?10:37
marcoagpintoTJ-: "YouBuntu"?10:37
TJ-SwedeMike:  what does that matter?10:38
SwedeMikeTJ-: what part of the pronounciation is it you object to?10:38
SwedeMikethe intial "o"?10:38
TJ-BTW for those newish to Ubuntu, that is the video that was included in the Ubuntu installation images originally10:38
TJ-SwedeMike: The wikipedia ogg file only sounds as "bunn" ... I also asked in #ubuntu and SpiritHorse confirmed that ogg file is just wrong10:39
SwedeMikeTJ-: my question is because depending on native language it makes it easier or harder to pronounce things in the way that it's done in another language.10:40
TJ-SwedeMike: the example pronunciation should be correct is my point, which it is not10:40
SwedeMikeTJ-: correct in what aspect? Hyundai is pronounced widely differently across the world, and they use local pronounciation in their ads wherever they are.10:41
SwedeMikeif it's hard to say the initial "o" for a US speaker, are we going to endlessly complain about them saying it wrong?10:41
TJ-Who's complaining?10:42
SwedeMikeTJ-: how do you pronounce Linux?10:42
marcoagpintoSwedeMike: "L'I'Nux"?10:42
TJ-Wikipedia is supposed to be defining the pronunciation, it includes the IPA but the media file is wrong10:42
marcoagpintoor "leenux2?10:43
marcoagpintoor "leenux2"?10:43
marcoagpinto(without the "2")10:43
TJ-Linux? the same way Linus does10:43
SwedeMikeI pronounce it the way Linus does, but trying to change the english speaking world into that pronounciation is just an impossible task.10:43
SwedeMikeso, I choose better tasks10:44
SwedeMikeTJ-: there is nothing stopping you from making a media file, create a wikipedia account, and upload it as a correction, and take that fight there.10:44
SwedeMikeit's all free, it only takes time.10:44
TJ-What fight? you're the one creating an argument over this10:45
SwedeMikeTJ-: guess I just have too much experience with these kinds of name/pronounciation disputes.10:46
TJ-There is no dispute. I asked someone else too, the ogg file only says/sounds "bunn" - unless you're hearing it differently that is wrong10:55
TJ-in other words, there is no leading 'uh' and no trailing 'too'10:56
SwedeMikeTJ-: that's not what I am hearing. I am hearing u-bunn-tu11:00
SwedeMikeit sounds identical under firefox i Ubuntu and Chrome on MacOS. U-bunn-tu11:03
TJ-SwedeMike: really? hmmm, SpiritHorse heard the same as me... how long duration is the file you're getting? 0.9 seconds?  I've downloaded it locally and its the same11:03
lordievaderI am hearing the same thing as SwedeMike11:04
lordievader(Gentoo with Chrome)11:04
TJ-Thanks! so, there's something wrong either with the download or VLC, and it doesn't just affect me11:05
SwedeMikeTJ-: md5sum 041d7ab3a14528c01f4810bd855e7786  En-Ubuntu_pronunciation.oga   same in vlc on Ubuntu, U-bunn-tu11:05
TJ-SwedeMike: no wonder we had differing views on it!11:05
SwedeMikeTJ-: indeed!11:05
TJ-SwedeMike: right, and I've just tested it on another PC and I hear the same as you11:05
TJ-Hmmm, so download glitch for multiple people or something local?11:05
TJ-If I upload my local file can you listen to it, see if you hear the problem?11:06
SwedeMikeTJ-: sure can do11:06
TJ-https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/En-Ubuntu_pronunciation.oga.ogx11:07
SwedeMikeTJ-: they have the same contents, only different filenames (yours has an added .ogx). Your file sounds the same for me in vlc.11:08
SwedeMikethey have same md5sum11:08
TJ-SwedeMike: this gets weirder!11:08
TJ-I've just listened to that file on another PC and indeed it is correct11:09
SwedeMikeTJ-: my guess would be some kind of glitch in your driver/software that cuts off the first and last few tenths of seconds of the sound.11:09
TJ-seems that way, it's VLC on Rasbian... doing some tests now11:11
TJ-Going to try with audacity11:14
TJ-helps when trying to install it not to call it audible !11:14
TJ-Audacity has it correct... so something major going on with VLC11:15
lordievaderAre you sure they use the same audio interfaces?11:19
lordievaderBoth direct PA, for example.11:19
BluesKajHi all11:23
TJ-aha! In VLC there's an option for Input/Codecs > Advanced > File Caching (ms) that defaults to 300. if I increase that to 2000 I hear nothing at all, if I reduce it to 100 I hear the 'too' as well but still not the 'Uh'11:28
pragmaticenigma!restore-grub13:11
EoflaOEHello everyone13:49
akemlenovoHm, i have some speakers with only one jack, but i have 2 devices (a computer and a tablet-on a stand) that i like to connect to the speaker without having to unplug and replug the cable all the time, do you think i can use some sort of multiplexer so they get connected at the same time? I wonder if i could play both at the same time on the speakers.14:47
akemlenovoIt's regular analog jack 3.5 mm, but i think i never tried something like that.14:48
JanCyou could try to find a mixing panel...14:54
JanCor maybe there are also devices that can just mix both sources together14:55
akemlenovoYeah, i found this https://tinyurl.com/y3h8yv54 but i wonder if it's mono input.15:03
akemlenovoBut it looks like it's what's needed, 2 inputs and 1 output, with some volume sliders.15:03
akemlenovoI'll see, maybe i'll try, thx JanC.15:08
JanCthere might be versions without the sliders, but I guess they can be useful, and the price seems fairly low...15:09
JanCakemlenovo: the cables they have in one of the images are all stereo15:11
BluesKajif the connector has a small black ring near the tip, then it's stereo15:12
JanCanalogue 3.5mm stereo jacks have 2 black rings15:13
TJ-akemlenovo: a standard 3.5mm stereo 2-to-1 adapter will do that job (mix 2 inputs to one output)15:15
JanClike https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Audio-TRS-Mini-Plug.jpg/1280px-Audio-TRS-Mini-Plug.jpg15:16
akemlenovoJanC, Good catch.15:16
BluesKajJanC, you're correct, my mistake ...haven't used analog in yrs so my memory fails me sometimes15:17
akemlenovoTJ-, I was looking for something like that, but can't find it.15:17
TJ-https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video/product-phono-y1.php is an example with plenty of photos15:18
JanCthat's the opposite, it seems?15:19
TJ-These are good in both directions, as in, 2 outputs to 1 input. With 1 output to2 inputs the signal gets halved so levels drop15:20
TJ-I use these with the digital audio workstation to drive monitor speakers AND headphones. just have to increase volume on the speakers to compensate15:20
akemlenovoYeah, that's the opposite i'm looking for, 2 males, 1 for the laptop and 1 for the tablet and one femelle where i plug the speakers, so i can play music from both devices.15:21
OerHeksi used to have logitech with 2 lines in15:21
akemlenovoTJ-, Thanks i'll check and try.15:22
TJ-akemlenovo: you would combine it with a female in-line to male in-line15:23
JanCmaybe https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-30s1-35260.php15:24
TJ-akemlenovo: usually with PCs you have green-capped 3.5mm stereo male-to-male inline cable/connectors ... so those would go from devicse to the splitter. Then a female-to-male cable/connectors from splitter to speakers15:24
TJ-Device 1  <------> >--|15:25
JanCor https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-10a1-01206y.php15:25
BluesKajakemlenovo, here's a method to mix to to mono output in alsamixer https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/alsa-mono-output-how-to-make-815094/15:26
TJ-            |-----> >----female-to-male----> Speakers15:26
TJ-Device 2  <------> >--|15:26
JanCno need for mono?15:26
BluesKajthat would be the easiest method, you end up with dual on a stereo bus15:27
BluesKajdual mono15:27
JanCoutput connector is stereo anyway15:28
* BluesKaj shrugs, ok this is silly15:29
akemlenovoOk...Thanks. BluesKaj no, it's for listening music sometimes so i need stereo on both sources.15:39
BluesKajmaybe a bluetooth system might be better for your single speaker15:42
JanCbluetooth speakers don't support multiple sources, I think?15:49
akemlenovoI think it doesn't / Here it's oldschool speakers with RCA/jack no wireless. And only the tablet support BT anyway. But i'm not a big fan.15:52
JanCyeah, BT usually gives delayed sound also15:52
BluesKajoh lord15:53
akemlenovoIt's an old desktop with no BT. :)15:54
JanCwhich is okay for listening to music, but useless for watching video15:54
BluesKajyou get a BT dongle for 20 bucks, i use on on my pc15:54
BluesKajone15:54
akemlenovoYeah i have one for Wifi.15:55
TJ-akemlenovo: how about feeding the tablet's audio-out to the PCs audio-in-line and adding the pulseaudio loopback so you can have the incoming audio automatically sent to the output of the PC? that way only the PC needs connecting to the speakers... as long as the PC is powered on and running15:55
akemlenovoTJ-, No, the PC is not running all the time. So it's annoying if it's needed to have the PC up to use the tablet.15:57
TJ-akemlenovo: OK, so the splitter would be the easiest and cheapest option15:59
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daftykinsoy foolish electricians of my clients removed the VDSL filter from the master telephone socket, bodged in a cheap one and then spliced his phone line in behind it - half the download speeds the past few months and the service drops when you use the landline18:42
daftykinsnothing worse than such sheer incompetence18:43
marcoagpinto:((((((18:48
marcoagpintosorry to hear that18:48
daftykinsah it's not my home so it's ok ;)18:51
daftykinsjsut made it into London for work18:51
marcoagpinto:)18:54
daftykinsoops just too18:54
marcoagpintoguys?!19:36
marcoagpinto>:)19:36
marcoagpintoI am the cola demon!!!!19:36
daftykinsruh roh19:41
marcoagpintoI want to go to bed soon to wake up at 5am and drink my cola while working on the GB speller19:42
marcoagpinto:)19:42
JimBuntuhi marcoagpinto19:42
marcoagpintoJimBuntu: Hello dear one!19:42
marcoagpintothe GB speller! :) better than M$'s19:44
JimBuntuI think you only have about 17 minutes if you want to get 8 hours19:44
marcoagpintoJimBuntu: most of the times I don't get 8 hours19:44
marcoagpintobecause when I wake up I can no longer return to bed... too anxious19:44
JimBuntuYeah, I seldom get 8, more like 2-4 hours.19:45
JimBuntuWhat's the GB speller?19:45
marcoagpintoThe British speller19:45
marcoagpintoI am the person resposible for it19:45
marcoagpintothe old people vanished in 200619:45
JimBuntuOh, ok, here I was thinking it couldn't be that obvious, lol19:45
marcoagpintoresponsible*19:46
marcoagpintoI wanted to release an update for Proofing Tool GUI but I only added one feature since the last release so far19:46
marcoagpintoall the trouble of compiling for Windows+Linux+update site+sign+sha51219:47
marcoagpintoit is not worth the effort19:47
JimBuntuah, I see what you mean, time to script it up and include a little CI/CD19:47
marcoagpinto:)19:47
marcoagpintoI had the brilliant idea of creating an include file with functions common to all my projects19:48
marcoagpinto:)19:48
marcoagpintoso that I don't need to copy/paste the functions all the time19:48
marcoagpintoso, I only update one file and change the date in the include command19:49
phillipsjkakemlenovo, did you consider male-male from the line out of computer 1 to the line in of computer2, then use the soundcard as a mixer?19:49
phillipsjknevermind read more back-scroll19:50
marcoagpintoJimBuntu: This is the official page: http://proofingtoolgui.org/19:52
marcoagpinto:)19:52
marcoagpintoI have tons of ideas written on paper... I just need time to implement them19:53
marcoagpintowritten+drawn19:53
JimBuntutime to implement is where the problem normally occurs, implement, quality control, document19:56
marcoagpintoyes, the user guide sucks :(19:56
marcoagpintoI don't explain well how some complex features work19:56
marcoagpintobut I have the e-mails where I explained to its users, so I just need to copy/paste from there19:57
marcoagpintothe future idea is also to create AU+CA+NZ+ZA spellers based on the GB19:58
marcoagpintoso, I have created a feature that allows to remove -ize/-ise and other words from the .dic19:58
marcoagpintoonly to find out that some verbs in the .dic don't use the -ize/-ise but flags that generate them19:59
marcoagpinto:)19:59
marcoagpintoso, I need to create a script to automatically convert19:59
marcoagpintoit is in my TODO list19:59
marcoagpintoyesterday I was completely nuts due to the depression and thought like a crazy guy... I wanted to put an end to things so I created a PDF of my thesis to share20:01
marcoagpintobut today I am feeling better20:01
marcoagpinto:)20:01
marcoagpinto"here is my s**** thesis"20:02
marcoagpinto:)20:02
JimBuntuI suspect using flags would be much better20:03
marcoagpintoJimBuntu: yes, but there is an "excusion" field to avoid removing words with -ise/-ize that are real words20:04
marcoagpintoexclusion*20:04
marcoagpintofor example: "resize"20:04
marcoagpintoresizes+resizing+resized20:04
JimBuntubut is there an easter egg for funny spell-checking?!20:05
marcoagpintoif I select to remove all -ize, it won't remove this verb20:05
marcoagpintoJimBuntu: What is funny spell-checking?20:05
JimBuntuWhen it swaps out various words for funny versions20:05
JimBuntuA lot of mobile spell-check is terrible20:06
marcoagpintoahhhhh20:07
marcoagpintoI only add the words... the engine is Hunspell20:07
marcoagpintothe Easter Egg was Zuckenberg20:07
marcoagpintobut I fixed it many years ago20:07
marcoagpintoZuckerberg*20:07
JimBuntulol20:07
marcoagpintoI have a dream... a vision?... I want people to replace several commercial software with open-source on around 202120:13
marcoagpinto2021 is a special year, just like 201220:13
marcoagpintowith spiritual meaning20:14
JimBuntumarcoagpinto, I can only replace 1 item, as I only use 1 item that's commercial/paid20:14
marcoagpintowell, "Like Linus Torvalds, I use the "best tool for the job", even if that includes proprietary software."20:15
marcoagpinto:)20:15
marcoagpintoI wrote this in the webpage20:15
lordcirth_JimBuntu, what item is that?20:15
marcoagpintoso, I have tons of commercial software20:15
JimBuntulordcirth_, Studio3T20:16
marcoagpintowhat happens to me is that I have to use commercial+open-source sometimes... for example: PaintShopPro lacks some features that GIMP has, so I need to use both20:17
JimBuntuI used to like Paint Shop Pro, but it's been years20:18
marcoagpintowell, I always buy the current version at 1/3 of the price when a new version is about to come out20:18
marcoagpinto2020 is or will be almost out, so they sold 2019 for a lower price20:19
marcoagpinto:)20:19
marcoagpintothe same for Nero20:19
JimBuntusmart.20:19
marcoagpintoI bought the 2019 one when 2020 is almost out20:19
JimBuntuNero... for burning CD/DVD?20:19
marcoagpintoyes20:19
marcoagpintobasically to create .iso files20:19
marcoagpintoI no longer write physical discs20:19
marcoagpintoand to rip songs to .flac format20:20
JimBuntuIt sounds like Nero does more than it used to, lol20:20
marcoagpintoahhhh.. and I edit video with it too... I forgot20:21
marcoagpinto:)20:21
JimBuntuWHAT?! It edits video now too? It's been maybe 15 years since I think I used it, if I'm thinking of the right software20:21
marcoagpintoyes, it edits video now20:21
marcoagpintovery useful to cut parts of video, add background music, etc.20:22
marcoagpintoand it exports in 4K too20:22
marcoagpinto:)20:22
marcoagpintobut my machine is too slow for 4K20:22
marcoagpintoohhhhhhh... now I can't remember if I saw "4K" in the settings20:23
marcoagpinto:)20:23
marcoagpintothere is the express video mode... just drag'n'drop a video file and select the export format and it is done20:24
marcoagpinto:20:24
marcoagpinto:)20:24
JimBuntuI think what I used for editing was called Premier20:25
marcoagpintoin the 1990s I had Pinnacle Studio20:26
marcoagpinto:)20:26
marcoagpintoor was it 2000s?20:26
JimBuntuI remember that name, not sure if I really used it. Makes me think it came with DVD R/W drives or something20:26
JimBuntuI think a CD R/W purchase is where I got Nero20:27
marcoagpintoahhhh.. my Pinnacle Studio came with an analogic board to capture video20:27
marcoagpinto:)20:27
marcoagpintothen the board go damaged20:27
marcoagpintoan horizontal line started appearing when I was capturing VHS tapes20:28
marcoagpintoso, I gave up20:28
JimBuntuNow you are bringing back memories. ATI Wonder tuners20:28
marcoagpintoI used it to convert my recording of the UFO conference into two DVDs20:29
marcoagpinto:)20:29
JimBuntuDo you use Ubuntu on that machine as well?20:29
marcoagpintowhat?20:29
marcoagpintoI only have VMs in the other laptop20:29
JimBuntuah, ok20:29
marcoagpintobecause this one doesn't support hardware virtualisation since it is too old20:29
marcoagpintoeven my course project runs badly here as it takes all RAM :(((((20:31
marcoagpintoso, to test it I run it in the other laptop that has 8 GB RAM20:31
marcoagpintoI will return at 5am... night all... take care20:35
Bashing-omUWN596 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue596 :D20:44
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