[01:25] <Qinglan> Hello everyone.I need some help.
[01:27] <Qinglan> When I execute "apttitude upgrade" there is an error displayed:insserv: There is a loop between service plymouth and urandom if started.
[01:27] <Qinglan> I'm a newbie and what should I do now?
[01:27] <Bashing-om> Qinglan: Support is in the #ubuntu channel :)
[01:28] <Qinglan> OK,thank you!
[01:28] <Bashing-om> Qinglan: See you there :D
[01:28] <Qinglan> Bashing-om: You are there too?
[01:29] <Bashing-om> Qinglan: Yup :)
[01:31] <Qinglan> Bashing-om: nice to meet you again:D
[01:32] <Bashing-om> Qinglan: Still here even after all these years :P
[01:33] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[01:36] <Qinglan> Morning
[01:38] <lotuspsychje> hey Qinglan
[04:16] <EoflaOE> Hello Bashing-om
[04:17] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: :) Still working UWN - Got any comments to offer?
[04:18] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: In the Wiki? If so, I haven't seen it
[04:18] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Yup - WIKI is up for review :P
[04:20] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: I will see it now.
[04:21] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Great :D
[04:51] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[07:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:12] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[07:12] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[07:12] <marcoagpinto> lordievader!
[07:13] <marcoagpinto> damn... I have been adding words to the GB speller since 5am
[07:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[07:13] <marcoagpinto> I have no life
[10:22] <TJ-> Do we have anyone with a Wikipedia account that can correct the pronunciation for Ubuntu that is currently there?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:En-Ubuntu_pronunciation.oga
[10:32] <SwedeMike> TJ-: how do you feel it should be pronounced?
[10:33] <TJ-> SwedeMike: the proper way!
[10:35] <SwedeMike> TJ-: and what way is that?
[10:37] <TJ-> Ask Nelson Mandela  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HED4h00xPPA
[10:37] <SwedeMike> TJ-: what country are you from?
[10:37] <marcoagpinto> TJ-. "YouBuntu"?
[10:37] <marcoagpinto> TJ-: "YouBuntu"?
[10:38] <TJ-> SwedeMike:  what does that matter?
[10:38] <SwedeMike> TJ-: what part of the pronounciation is it you object to?
[10:38] <SwedeMike> the intial "o"?
[10:38] <TJ-> BTW for those newish to Ubuntu, that is the video that was included in the Ubuntu installation images originally
[10:39] <TJ-> SwedeMike: The wikipedia ogg file only sounds as "bunn" ... I also asked in #ubuntu and SpiritHorse confirmed that ogg file is just wrong
[10:40] <SwedeMike> TJ-: my question is because depending on native language it makes it easier or harder to pronounce things in the way that it's done in another language.
[10:40] <TJ-> SwedeMike: the example pronunciation should be correct is my point, which it is not
[10:41] <SwedeMike> TJ-: correct in what aspect? Hyundai is pronounced widely differently across the world, and they use local pronounciation in their ads wherever they are.
[10:41] <SwedeMike> if it's hard to say the initial "o" for a US speaker, are we going to endlessly complain about them saying it wrong?
[10:42] <TJ-> Who's complaining?
[10:42] <SwedeMike> TJ-: how do you pronounce Linux?
[10:42] <marcoagpinto> SwedeMike: "L'I'Nux"?
[10:42] <TJ-> Wikipedia is supposed to be defining the pronunciation, it includes the IPA but the media file is wrong
[10:43] <marcoagpinto> or "leenux2?
[10:43] <marcoagpinto> or "leenux2"?
[10:43] <marcoagpinto> (without the "2")
[10:43] <TJ-> Linux? the same way Linus does
[10:43] <SwedeMike> I pronounce it the way Linus does, but trying to change the english speaking world into that pronounciation is just an impossible task.
[10:44] <SwedeMike> so, I choose better tasks
[10:44] <SwedeMike> TJ-: there is nothing stopping you from making a media file, create a wikipedia account, and upload it as a correction, and take that fight there.
[10:44] <SwedeMike> it's all free, it only takes time.
[10:45] <TJ-> What fight? you're the one creating an argument over this
[10:46] <SwedeMike> TJ-: guess I just have too much experience with these kinds of name/pronounciation disputes.
[10:55] <TJ-> There is no dispute. I asked someone else too, the ogg file only says/sounds "bunn" - unless you're hearing it differently that is wrong
[10:56] <TJ-> in other words, there is no leading 'uh' and no trailing 'too'
[11:00] <SwedeMike> TJ-: that's not what I am hearing. I am hearing u-bunn-tu
[11:03] <SwedeMike> it sounds identical under firefox i Ubuntu and Chrome on MacOS. U-bunn-tu
[11:03] <TJ-> SwedeMike: really? hmmm, SpiritHorse heard the same as me... how long duration is the file you're getting? 0.9 seconds?  I've downloaded it locally and its the same
[11:04] <lordievader> I am hearing the same thing as SwedeMike
[11:04] <lordievader> (Gentoo with Chrome)
[11:05] <TJ-> Thanks! so, there's something wrong either with the download or VLC, and it doesn't just affect me
[11:05] <SwedeMike> TJ-: md5sum 041d7ab3a14528c01f4810bd855e7786  En-Ubuntu_pronunciation.oga   same in vlc on Ubuntu, U-bunn-tu
[11:05] <TJ-> SwedeMike: no wonder we had differing views on it!
[11:05] <SwedeMike> TJ-: indeed!
[11:05] <TJ-> SwedeMike: right, and I've just tested it on another PC and I hear the same as you
[11:05] <TJ-> Hmmm, so download glitch for multiple people or something local?
[11:06] <TJ-> If I upload my local file can you listen to it, see if you hear the problem?
[11:06] <SwedeMike> TJ-: sure can do
[11:07] <TJ-> https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/En-Ubuntu_pronunciation.oga.ogx
[11:08] <SwedeMike> TJ-: they have the same contents, only different filenames (yours has an added .ogx). Your file sounds the same for me in vlc.
[11:08] <SwedeMike> they have same md5sum
[11:08] <TJ-> SwedeMike: this gets weirder!
[11:09] <TJ-> I've just listened to that file on another PC and indeed it is correct
[11:09] <SwedeMike> TJ-: my guess would be some kind of glitch in your driver/software that cuts off the first and last few tenths of seconds of the sound.
[11:11] <TJ-> seems that way, it's VLC on Rasbian... doing some tests now
[11:14] <TJ-> Going to try with audacity
[11:14] <TJ-> helps when trying to install it not to call it audible !
[11:15] <TJ-> Audacity has it correct... so something major going on with VLC
[11:19] <lordievader> Are you sure they use the same audio interfaces?
[11:19] <lordievader> Both direct PA, for example.
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:28] <TJ-> aha! In VLC there's an option for Input/Codecs > Advanced > File Caching (ms) that defaults to 300. if I increase that to 2000 I hear nothing at all, if I reduce it to 100 I hear the 'too' as well but still not the 'Uh'
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> !restore-grub
[13:49] <EoflaOE> Hello everyone
[14:47] <akemlenovo> Hm, i have some speakers with only one jack, but i have 2 devices (a computer and a tablet-on a stand) that i like to connect to the speaker without having to unplug and replug the cable all the time, do you think i can use some sort of multiplexer so they get connected at the same time? I wonder if i could play both at the same time on the speakers.
[14:48] <akemlenovo> It's regular analog jack 3.5 mm, but i think i never tried something like that.
[14:54] <JanC> you could try to find a mixing panel...
[14:55] <JanC> or maybe there are also devices that can just mix both sources together
[15:03] <akemlenovo> Yeah, i found this https://tinyurl.com/y3h8yv54 but i wonder if it's mono input.
[15:03] <akemlenovo> But it looks like it's what's needed, 2 inputs and 1 output, with some volume sliders.
[15:08] <akemlenovo> I'll see, maybe i'll try, thx JanC.
[15:09] <JanC> there might be versions without the sliders, but I guess they can be useful, and the price seems fairly low...
[15:11] <JanC> akemlenovo: the cables they have in one of the images are all stereo
[15:12] <BluesKaj> if the connector has a small black ring near the tip, then it's stereo
[15:13] <JanC> analogue 3.5mm stereo jacks have 2 black rings
[15:15] <TJ-> akemlenovo: a standard 3.5mm stereo 2-to-1 adapter will do that job (mix 2 inputs to one output)
[15:16] <JanC> like https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Audio-TRS-Mini-Plug.jpg/1280px-Audio-TRS-Mini-Plug.jpg
[15:16] <akemlenovo> JanC, Good catch.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> JanC, you're correct, my mistake ...haven't used analog in yrs so my memory fails me sometimes
[15:17] <akemlenovo> TJ-, I was looking for something like that, but can't find it.
[15:18] <TJ-> https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video/product-phono-y1.php is an example with plenty of photos
[15:19] <JanC> that's the opposite, it seems?
[15:20] <TJ-> These are good in both directions, as in, 2 outputs to 1 input. With 1 output to2 inputs the signal gets halved so levels drop
[15:20] <TJ-> I use these with the digital audio workstation to drive monitor speakers AND headphones. just have to increase volume on the speakers to compensate
[15:21] <akemlenovo> Yeah, that's the opposite i'm looking for, 2 males, 1 for the laptop and 1 for the tablet and one femelle where i plug the speakers, so i can play music from both devices.
[15:21] <OerHeks> i used to have logitech with 2 lines in
[15:22] <akemlenovo> TJ-, Thanks i'll check and try.
[15:23] <TJ-> akemlenovo: you would combine it with a female in-line to male in-line
[15:24] <JanC> maybe https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-30s1-35260.php
[15:24] <TJ-> akemlenovo: usually with PCs you have green-capped 3.5mm stereo male-to-male inline cable/connectors ... so those would go from devicse to the splitter. Then a female-to-male cable/connectors from splitter to speakers
[15:25] <TJ-> Device 1  <------> >--|
[15:25] <JanC> or https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-10a1-01206y.php
[15:26] <BluesKaj> akemlenovo, here's a method to mix to to mono output in alsamixer https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/alsa-mono-output-how-to-make-815094/
[15:26] <TJ->             |-----> >----female-to-male----> Speakers
[15:26] <TJ-> Device 2  <------> >--|
[15:26] <JanC> no need for mono?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> that would be the easiest method, you end up with dual on a stereo bus
[15:27] <BluesKaj> dual mono
[15:28] <JanC> output connector is stereo anyway
[15:29]  * BluesKaj shrugs, ok this is silly
[15:39] <akemlenovo> Ok...Thanks. BluesKaj no, it's for listening music sometimes so i need stereo on both sources.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> maybe a bluetooth system might be better for your single speaker
[15:49] <JanC> bluetooth speakers don't support multiple sources, I think?
[15:52] <akemlenovo> I think it doesn't / Here it's oldschool speakers with RCA/jack no wireless. And only the tablet support BT anyway. But i'm not a big fan.
[15:52] <JanC> yeah, BT usually gives delayed sound also
[15:53] <BluesKaj> oh lord
[15:54] <akemlenovo> It's an old desktop with no BT. :)
[15:54] <JanC> which is okay for listening to music, but useless for watching video
[15:54] <BluesKaj> you get a BT dongle for 20 bucks, i use on on my pc
[15:54] <BluesKaj> one
[15:55] <akemlenovo> Yeah i have one for Wifi.
[15:55] <TJ-> akemlenovo: how about feeding the tablet's audio-out to the PCs audio-in-line and adding the pulseaudio loopback so you can have the incoming audio automatically sent to the output of the PC? that way only the PC needs connecting to the speakers... as long as the PC is powered on and running
[15:57] <akemlenovo> TJ-, No, the PC is not running all the time. So it's annoying if it's needed to have the PC up to use the tablet.
[15:59] <TJ-> akemlenovo: OK, so the splitter would be the easiest and cheapest option
[18:42] <daftykins> oy foolish electricians of my clients removed the VDSL filter from the master telephone socket, bodged in a cheap one and then spliced his phone line in behind it - half the download speeds the past few months and the service drops when you use the landline
[18:43] <daftykins> nothing worse than such sheer incompetence
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> :((((((
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> sorry to hear that
[18:51] <daftykins> ah it's not my home so it's ok ;)
[18:51] <daftykins> jsut made it into London for work
[18:54] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:54] <daftykins> oops just too
[19:36] <marcoagpinto> guys?!
[19:36] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[19:36] <marcoagpinto> I am the cola demon!!!!
[19:41] <daftykins> ruh roh
[19:42] <marcoagpinto> I want to go to bed soon to wake up at 5am and drink my cola while working on the GB speller
[19:42] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:42] <JimBuntu> hi marcoagpinto
[19:42] <marcoagpinto> JimBuntu: Hello dear one!
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> the GB speller! :) better than M$'s
[19:44] <JimBuntu> I think you only have about 17 minutes if you want to get 8 hours
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> JimBuntu: most of the times I don't get 8 hours
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> because when I wake up I can no longer return to bed... too anxious
[19:45] <JimBuntu> Yeah, I seldom get 8, more like 2-4 hours.
[19:45] <JimBuntu> What's the GB speller?
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> The British speller
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> I am the person resposible for it
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> the old people vanished in 2006
[19:45] <JimBuntu> Oh, ok, here I was thinking it couldn't be that obvious, lol
[19:46] <marcoagpinto> responsible*
[19:46] <marcoagpinto> I wanted to release an update for Proofing Tool GUI but I only added one feature since the last release so far
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> all the trouble of compiling for Windows+Linux+update site+sign+sha512
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> it is not worth the effort
[19:47] <JimBuntu> ah, I see what you mean, time to script it up and include a little CI/CD
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:48] <marcoagpinto> I had the brilliant idea of creating an include file with functions common to all my projects
[19:48] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:48] <marcoagpinto> so that I don't need to copy/paste the functions all the time
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> so, I only update one file and change the date in the include command
[19:49] <phillipsjk> akemlenovo, did you consider male-male from the line out of computer 1 to the line in of computer2, then use the soundcard as a mixer?
[19:50] <phillipsjk> nevermind read more back-scroll
[19:52] <marcoagpinto> JimBuntu: This is the official page: http://proofingtoolgui.org/
[19:52] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:53] <marcoagpinto> I have tons of ideas written on paper... I just need time to implement them
[19:53] <marcoagpinto> written+drawn
[19:56] <JimBuntu> time to implement is where the problem normally occurs, implement, quality control, document
[19:56] <marcoagpinto> yes, the user guide sucks :(
[19:56] <marcoagpinto> I don't explain well how some complex features work
[19:57] <marcoagpinto> but I have the e-mails where I explained to its users, so I just need to copy/paste from there
[19:58] <marcoagpinto> the future idea is also to create AU+CA+NZ+ZA spellers based on the GB
[19:58] <marcoagpinto> so, I have created a feature that allows to remove -ize/-ise and other words from the .dic
[19:59] <marcoagpinto> only to find out that some verbs in the .dic don't use the -ize/-ise but flags that generate them
[19:59] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:59] <marcoagpinto> so, I need to create a script to automatically convert
[19:59] <marcoagpinto> it is in my TODO list
[20:01] <marcoagpinto> yesterday I was completely nuts due to the depression and thought like a crazy guy... I wanted to put an end to things so I created a PDF of my thesis to share
[20:01] <marcoagpinto> but today I am feeling better
[20:01] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:02] <marcoagpinto> "here is my s**** thesis"
[20:02] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:03] <JimBuntu> I suspect using flags would be much better
[20:04] <marcoagpinto> JimBuntu: yes, but there is an "excusion" field to avoid removing words with -ise/-ize that are real words
[20:04] <marcoagpinto> exclusion*
[20:04] <marcoagpinto> for example: "resize"
[20:04] <marcoagpinto> resizes+resizing+resized
[20:05] <JimBuntu> but is there an easter egg for funny spell-checking?!
[20:05] <marcoagpinto> if I select to remove all -ize, it won't remove this verb
[20:05] <marcoagpinto> JimBuntu: What is funny spell-checking?
[20:05] <JimBuntu> When it swaps out various words for funny versions
[20:06] <JimBuntu> A lot of mobile spell-check is terrible
[20:07] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[20:07] <marcoagpinto> I only add the words... the engine is Hunspell
[20:07] <marcoagpinto> the Easter Egg was Zuckenberg
[20:07] <marcoagpinto> but I fixed it many years ago
[20:07] <marcoagpinto> Zuckerberg*
[20:07] <JimBuntu> lol
[20:13] <marcoagpinto> I have a dream... a vision?... I want people to replace several commercial software with open-source on around 2021
[20:13] <marcoagpinto> 2021 is a special year, just like 2012
[20:14] <marcoagpinto> with spiritual meaning
[20:14] <JimBuntu> marcoagpinto, I can only replace 1 item, as I only use 1 item that's commercial/paid
[20:15] <marcoagpinto> well, "Like Linus Torvalds, I use the "best tool for the job", even if that includes proprietary software."
[20:15] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:15] <marcoagpinto> I wrote this in the webpage
[20:15] <lordcirth_> JimBuntu, what item is that?
[20:15] <marcoagpinto> so, I have tons of commercial software
[20:16] <JimBuntu> lordcirth_, Studio3T
[20:17] <marcoagpinto> what happens to me is that I have to use commercial+open-source sometimes... for example: PaintShopPro lacks some features that GIMP has, so I need to use both
[20:18] <JimBuntu> I used to like Paint Shop Pro, but it's been years
[20:18] <marcoagpinto> well, I always buy the current version at 1/3 of the price when a new version is about to come out
[20:19] <marcoagpinto> 2020 is or will be almost out, so they sold 2019 for a lower price
[20:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:19] <marcoagpinto> the same for Nero
[20:19] <JimBuntu> smart.
[20:19] <marcoagpinto> I bought the 2019 one when 2020 is almost out
[20:19] <JimBuntu> Nero... for burning CD/DVD?
[20:19] <marcoagpinto> yes
[20:19] <marcoagpinto> basically to create .iso files
[20:19] <marcoagpinto> I no longer write physical discs
[20:20] <marcoagpinto> and to rip songs to .flac format
[20:20] <JimBuntu> It sounds like Nero does more than it used to, lol
[20:21] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh.. and I edit video with it too... I forgot
[20:21] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:21] <JimBuntu> WHAT?! It edits video now too? It's been maybe 15 years since I think I used it, if I'm thinking of the right software
[20:21] <marcoagpinto> yes, it edits video now
[20:22] <marcoagpinto> very useful to cut parts of video, add background music, etc.
[20:22] <marcoagpinto> and it exports in 4K too
[20:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:22] <marcoagpinto> but my machine is too slow for 4K
[20:23] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh... now I can't remember if I saw "4K" in the settings
[20:23] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:24] <marcoagpinto> there is the express video mode... just drag'n'drop a video file and select the export format and it is done
[20:24] <marcoagpinto> :
[20:24] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:25] <JimBuntu> I think what I used for editing was called Premier
[20:26] <marcoagpinto> in the 1990s I had Pinnacle Studio
[20:26] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:26] <marcoagpinto> or was it 2000s?
[20:26] <JimBuntu> I remember that name, not sure if I really used it. Makes me think it came with DVD R/W drives or something
[20:27] <JimBuntu> I think a CD R/W purchase is where I got Nero
[20:27] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh.. my Pinnacle Studio came with an analogic board to capture video
[20:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:27] <marcoagpinto> then the board go damaged
[20:28] <marcoagpinto> an horizontal line started appearing when I was capturing VHS tapes
[20:28] <marcoagpinto> so, I gave up
[20:28] <JimBuntu> Now you are bringing back memories. ATI Wonder tuners
[20:29] <marcoagpinto> I used it to convert my recording of the UFO conference into two DVDs
[20:29] <marcoagpinto> :)
[20:29] <JimBuntu> Do you use Ubuntu on that machine as well?
[20:29] <marcoagpinto> what?
[20:29] <marcoagpinto> I only have VMs in the other laptop
[20:29] <JimBuntu> ah, ok
[20:29] <marcoagpinto> because this one doesn't support hardware virtualisation since it is too old
[20:31] <marcoagpinto> even my course project runs badly here as it takes all RAM :(((((
[20:31] <marcoagpinto> so, to test it I run it in the other laptop that has 8 GB RAM
[20:35] <marcoagpinto> I will return at 5am... night all... take care
[20:44] <Bashing-om> UWN596 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue596 :D