[00:39] <hanasaki> recommendations on software (free/opensource/linux) for monitoring security cameras?  supporting PZT and two way audio?
[00:42] <SpiritHorse> hanasaki: no such thing
[00:43] <hanasaki> SpiritHorse:  thanks.   so what would you recommend for controlling camera over IP ?
[00:43] <SpiritHorse> hanasaki: what I do is pull the rtmp feed from the camera with whatever (in my case ffmpeg)... for PTZ I use ONVIF
[00:44] <hanasaki> thakns.  SpiritHorse what software packages do you use for the onvif?  anything that has a web interface?
[00:44] <SpiritHorse> zoneminder is what is most popular, but will lack audio support and it's a bit overweight
[00:46] <SpiritHorse> I use a python module to do onvif, not aware of a web interface frontend but totally possible it exists
[00:50] <hanasaki> thanks
[00:50] <hanasaki> sounds like there is no decent linux NVR and security software .  SpiritHorse , correct?
[00:51] <SpiritHorse> most people are going with zoneminder but it lacks the audio support you're looking for
[00:51] <SpiritHorse> but in general, yeah, the options are pretty bad
[00:55] <sappheiros> how do I get help installing 19.10? could trying to install this release corrupt my windows partition, or make me unable to boot into it?
[00:56] <sappheiros> is the current LTS simply not compatible with AMD ryzen 7?
[00:57] <flog> sappheiros: im using 19.04 on my ryzen 3700u. works just fine.
[00:57] <sappheiros> how do i find whether my ryzen7 is 3700u?
[00:57] <sappheiros> it's "vega graphics"
[00:57] <flog> laptop?
[00:57] <sappheiros> yes
[00:58] <flog> Screenfetch will show you what it is.
[00:58] <flog> or just check the specs from when you bought your laptop.
[00:59] <sappheiros> i only have win10 right now
[00:59] <sappheiros> i do have 3700u
[00:59] <sappheiros> but 19.04 wouldn't boot on my laptop: just a black screen
[00:59] <flog> device manager?
[01:00] <sappheiros> ??
[01:00] <flog> did you install a bootmanager?
[01:00] <sappheiros> i was using the liveUSB
[01:02] <flog> Do you get to choose os during boot?
[01:04] <flog> Or did you simply overwrite your windows partition when you installed ubuntu?
[01:05] <sappheiros> i can choose between OS, yes.
[01:05] <sappheiros> however, checking disc for defects results in that same black screen
[01:06] <flog> So you can boot into ubuntu but not into windows anymore?
[01:11] <sappheiros> flog, no, this is the problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1162746/why-wont-my-hp-envy-x360-laptop-with-ryzen-7-3700u-boot-ubuntu-live-cd
[01:12] <sappheiros> i guess i will give up trying to use ubuntu until this laptop is supported
[01:12] <sappheiros> i don't have the time to learn how to do all this
[01:13] <sappheiros> maybe 19.10 will work if it has the newer kernel, once it's released next month
[01:14] <flog> Cant say for the hp envy. But i did not have any issues installing 19.04 on my lenovo T495 which has similar specs to the one in the link you posted.
[01:30] <Qinglan> Hello everyone.I need some help please.
[01:30] <Qinglan> When I execute "apttitude upgrade" in 16.04 there is an error displayed:insserv: There is a loop between service plymouth and urandom if started.
[01:30] <Qinglan> I'm a newbie and what should I do now?
[01:32] <Bashing-om> Qinglan: pastebin: sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ; sudo apt upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999" so we see the errors incontext.
[01:33] <^Peter^> Qinglan  I do not know, but apttitude  is spelt aptitude
[01:34] <Qinglan> Bashing-om: I should execute these command?
[01:34] <Qinglan> sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:34] <Qinglan> sudo apt upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:34] <Qinglan> ^Peter^: My mistake.
[01:34] <^Peter^> So perhaps you invoked a non existent command ?
[01:35] <Qinglan> ^Peter^: Just in here.
[01:35] <^Peter^> k
[01:35] <Bashing-om> Qinglan: Run those cpommands inyour terminal, the result is a URL - pass the links back here.
[01:35] <Qinglan> ^Peter^: Or it should not execute.
[01:40] <Bashing-om> !info cups-common xenial | Qinglan
[01:42] <Qinglan> Bashing-om: sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:42] <Qinglan> https://termbin.com/bvot
[01:42] <Qinglan> sudo apt upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:42] <Qinglan> https://termbin.com/iq5y
[01:42] <Qinglan> sudo apt-get -f install 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:42] <Qinglan> https://termbin.com/xdi6
[01:44] <Qinglan> ubottu: How can I do to resolve the Cups version conflics?
[01:44] <Bashing-om> Qinglan: "295 not upgraded." - so Yes, continue with the updates :)
[01:46] <Qinglan> Bashing-om: It's halted on
[01:46] <Qinglan> "dpkg: error processing package udev (--configure):
[01:46] <Qinglan>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:46] <Qinglan> dpkg: dependency problems prevent processing triggers for systemd:
[01:46] <Qinglan>  systemd depends on util-linux (>= 2.27.1); however:
[01:46] <Qinglan>   Package util-linux is not configured yet."
[01:47] <Bashing-om> Qinglan: Let it tun until completed and the system returns to prompt .
[01:50] <OerHeks> use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and all things will fix
[01:51] <leftyfb> !paste | Qinglan
[01:52] <Phruis> why is gedit not showing all files in a directory when using file browser?
[01:53] <Qinglan> ubottu: Are you  realy a robot?
[01:55] <um1b0zu> Hello. Is this a good place to ask about OpenVPN?
[01:55] <um1b0zu> I can't seem to get it working through PAM where I have created a new user with adduser and a new password with passwd.
[01:56] <um1b0zu> I'm not sure if the problem is ubuntu or the problem is openvpn
[01:56] <Qinglan> Bashing-om: Executed command sudo apt-get -f install
[01:56] <Qinglan> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2wxCP2QBQT/
[01:59] <Qinglan> OerHeks: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:59] <Qinglan> https://termbin.com/ymkt
[01:59] <Qinglan> OerHeks: Still same problem
[02:01] <OerHeks> so, somthing is holding back, when is the last  time you rebooted?
[02:01] <OerHeks> as cups-client is @ 0.10 now for example https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/cups-client
[02:01] <OerHeks> old lists..
[02:02] <Bashing-om> Qinglan: Is this a Virtual Machine or bare metal install ?
[02:02] <OerHeks> maybe there is a fresh installed kernel waiting to be deployed, so new dependencies can be build, seen that before
[02:03] <Qinglan> Bashing-om: Bare metal install
[02:04] <Qinglan> OerHeks: The problem happened after I installed a software named IDL
[02:05] <Qinglan> OerHeks: That's a "make install"
[02:05] <OerHeks> oh, any url we can read about this 'idl'?
[02:06] <OerHeks> not worth mentioning in the first place, let us guess .. so you lost my google fu
[02:09] <Qinglan> OerHeks: There is a simple introduction at https://udeploy.udel.edu/software/enviidl/
[02:13] <OerHeks> well, you need to seek their support, it is not a free download
[02:23] <MrPlayfair> hi, how do i run a program from terminal without it running in a terminal window? (so that i can close the terminal and the program continues) ?
[02:26] <Bashing-om> MrPlayfair: ' <command> & disown ' .
[02:26] <MrPlayfair> thanks a lot
[02:30] <um1b0zu> what does disown do?
[02:33] <MrPlayfair> stops it running in the terminal
[02:34] <Bashing-om> um1b0zu: Simply put it dis-connects from the parent process and allow that child to continue when the parent is no longer there.
[02:38] <[rg]> how is ubuntu qualcom support?
[03:18] <dcypher> Is there a way to have Ubuntu 18.04 Desktop boot to terminal instead??
[03:21] <[rg]> dcypher, just switch tty's
[03:22] <dcypher> Will that kill all the Desktop processes?  I want to save as much processing power as possible, switching to Desktop mode only when needed
[03:23] <akemlenovo_> dcypher, boot with the kernel option: systemd.unit=multi-user.target
[03:24] <dcypher> akemlenovo_: Thanks.... I'll give that a try!
[03:24] <akemlenovo_> Np.
[03:28] <[rg]> akemlenovo_, how will he get to desktop...
[03:28] <[rg]> it will be the same after the session is started
[03:28] <[rg]> may as well just switch ttys
[03:29] <akemlenovo_> [rg], I thought he wanted console only.
[03:29] <[rg]> ah
[03:30] <[rg]> will have to background process too, before switching
[03:30] <[rg]> sounds useless
[03:32] <[rg]> akemlenovo_, are you an ubuntu dev?
[03:33] <akemlenovo_> [rg], No.
[03:34] <[rg]> ok
[05:31] <CryptoSiD> Hi, I keep getting this email every day from my Ubuntu machine: 2019-09-14 16:01:33 1i9EEf-002GnV-SY Failed to create spool file /var/spool/exim4//input//1i9EEf-002GnV-SY-D: Read-only file system
[05:32] <CryptoSiD> However I haven't toutched the permission of /var/spool/exim4/. I'm wondering how I can fix this?
[05:35] <SwedeMike> CryptoSiD: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1769
[05:36] <SwedeMike> CryptoSiD: verify with "mount" if the partition it's located on is indeed mounted read-only.
[05:37] <CryptoSiD> I have no special partition for /var/, only one partition for / and it's not read-only
[05:37] <CryptoSiD> not sure what happened but it was working fine some weeks ago and i started received that kind of email every night
[05:40] <CryptoSiD> /dev/sda4 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime)
[05:44] <CryptoSiD> Is it normal to have 2 // before and after the input folder?
[06:01] <kieppie> hi folks
[06:01] <kieppie> if blueproximity project now dead?
[06:02] <kieppie> anything tat could be use as sucsessor?
[06:21] <Triffid_Hunter> cryptodan_mobile: check dmesg, read only filesystem can happen if filesystem corruption is detected
[06:21] <beaver^> Why do I need to register my device with Canonical? -> https://ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi-2-3
[06:22] <beaver^> they request an Ubuntu SSO account
[06:23] <bray90820> How would I view samba shares in 18.04
[06:26] <LuckyMan> Hi, how can I send a message to the ubuntu members responsible for wallpapers?
[06:26] <beaver^> the step « account Ubuntu SSO » is mandatory?, if yes, why?
[06:28] <geirha> LuckyMan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[06:28] <LuckyMan> they should create an ello account to publicize the wallpaper contests
[06:28] <LuckyMan> geirha, thanks!
[06:32] <LuckyMan> when will 19.10 be out?
[06:44] <beaver^> i'll come back later, if you have an answer to provide me, i'll read you, bye
[07:36] <andre144k> hello all ... is there maybe a better crontab-rule like this:  https://paste.debian.net/1100999/
[07:50] <brainbox> clear
[08:00] <vlt> andre144k: I think something like "4-54/10 *  * * 1-6 ..."
[08:59] <robban> Hi! A bit new to Ubuntu One. Whats the best way to manage a number of RPis running Ubuntu One? It will be around 100-200 devices
[09:04] <bayman> Fabric or Ansible
[09:06] <ZaZaGX> do i need to use Windows? I'm kind of been always bored on linux
[09:51] <lain98> how do i fix X/wayland. i changed some config files last week and i dont remember what i touched. i'd just like to have a fresh start
[09:51] <lain98> right now i get dropped to tty after boot and not lightdm/gdm
[09:55] <robban> Sorry, mixed up One and Core ! Whats the best way to manage a number of RPis running Ubuntu Core? It will be around 100-200 devices
[10:01] <TJ-> robban: does this help at all? https://askubuntu.com/questions/816118/managing-large-scale-snappy-core-iot-deployment
[10:02] <TJ-> robban: I'd suspect Canonical would point you at Landscape as the management agent... though I'm not sure if it can manage core/snaps as you would want
[10:04] <robban> TJ- Thanks. Yes, something along those lines. I was thinking abount using ansible towards the machines, but I have not found any docs on that at all.
[10:06] <SpiritHorse> ansible or saltstack
[10:06] <SpiritHorse> rest are fighting for scraps
[10:06] <Habbie> robban, docs on what precisely? i presume these are mostly still linux machines with working ssh
[10:11] <TJ-> Does anyone else only here "buun" in this pronunciation example at wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:En-Ubuntu_pronunciation.oga#
[10:12] <TJ-> s/here/hear/
[10:15] <SpiritHorse> TJ-: lived in South Africa too long not to know how to pronounced Ubuntu
[10:16] <TJ-> SpiritHorse: does that sound correct to you? it sure doesn't to me
[10:16] <SpiritHorse> sounds fucked
[10:16] <SpiritHorse> should sound more like there are O's and not U's in the name
[10:16] <TJ-> SpiritHorse: thought so... I'm on a RaspPi and firefox doesn't play sound so douwnloaded it, just wanted to be sure it hadn't gone 'wrong' locally
[10:28] <dollarWoman> hello, how can i know ram size?
[10:28] <bitx8> dollarWoman: free -m
[10:29] <dollarWoman> thanks
[10:30] <Xat`> hello guys ! I get 'unmet dependencies' when installing packages. But as you can see, the needed packages with required versions are available : https://paste.ee/p/tG01B . So why it says 'unmet dependencies' ?
[10:46] <TJ-> Xat`: that isn't Ubuntu, those package versions are Debian
[10:47] <Xat`> TJ-: you're right
[10:48] <Xat`> TJ-: but, maintainer are ubuntu developers
[10:48] <Xat`> original maintainers are debian
[10:52] <TJ-> Xat`: oh, I see what you mean. The packages were a direct import into Ubuntu wouthout changes though so it is possible there's an issue originating in Debian
[10:54] <TJ-> Xat`: what command did you issue to trigger the install?
[11:06] <Xat`> TJ-: apt-get install shibboleth-sp2-utils libapache2-mod-shib2
[11:07] <TJ-> Xat`: is that with 18.04 Bionic ?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:44] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hi!
[11:46] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:55] <katnip`> https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/open-networking-summit-europe-2019/
[12:00] <Xat`> TJ-: yes , with 18.04 Bionic
[12:05] <TJ-> Xat`: I see the same issue with "sudo apt-get --dry-run install libapache2-mod-shib2 "
[12:08] <TJ-> Xat`:  capture/pastebin the report from " sudo apt-get --dry-run -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install libapache2-mod-shib2 "
[12:46] <thyriaen> Hi, ive got a problem with kubuntu - it hangs on boot - when i boot with nomodeset setting, it does boot however without amdgpu driver, without nomodeset and amdgpu.dc=0 it still hangs on boot
[12:48] <thyriaen> I am trying to get my Rx5700 to work
[12:55] <lowryder> TJ-: :)
[13:02] <hay207> Hi, i want to enable amdgpu for my amd 8550m hybrid
[13:03] <hay207> i put radeon.si_support=0  amdgpu.si_support=1
[13:03] <hay207> in grub then updated grub
[13:04] <hay207> But when i run lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display' radeon is displayed in use
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> hay207: what is the actual graphics card installed in the machine? Which version of Ubuntu are you running. The "amdgpu" drivers support only a specific set of graphics cards.
[13:09] <hay207> I have a hybrid intel/amd, using ubuntu 18.04
[13:11] <afidegnum> hello, i m having an issue.... i have installed initially Ubuntu on UEFI and recently Win 7, which cleared the ubuntu EFI boot records.... how do i restore it so i can select any or the OS ?
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> hay207: You need to provide the actual chipset of the graphics card
[13:11] <hay207> intel Haswell?
[13:12] <glitchd> hello all, can someone give me a hand getting grub to correctly boot windows 10?
[13:12] <pragmaticenigma> !grub | afidegnum, always install Linux 'after' Windows
[13:12] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, that doesnt help.
[13:12] <hay207> Lenovo Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: You didn't read the entire message
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[13:13] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, no.
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: You need grub to boot Ubuntu and Windows
[13:14] <afidegnum> pragmaticenigma:I installed Linux first before installing windows which erased Linux Grub
[13:14] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, i didnt lose grub, i just cant figure out the nunmber "(hd0,msdos1)" to get windows to boot from grub.
[13:14] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: Sorry... got two conversations going
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: Follow the instructions... if you're already in Ubuntu, you should be able to restore by running the update-grub command
[13:15] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, windows is installed on sdd and linux is installed on sdc
[13:16] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, i tried that already, it didnt work. when i select the windows item from grub it just errors out and sends me back to grub.
[13:16] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: Ignore my previous stuff... I was getting your sn mixed up with someone else
[13:16] <pragmaticenigma> afidegnum: Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[13:16] <glitchd> sry bud, np
[13:16] <glitchd> ill just wait
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: Run this command, it will tell you what graphics chipset the radeon card has: lspci -nn | grep -E 'VGA|Display'
[13:18] <hay207> it's  me :)
[13:18] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, i believe thats for the other guy
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> okay... I've got too much going on
[13:18] <hay207> Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun LE [Radeon HD 8550M / R5 M230]
[13:18] <hay207> :)
[13:18] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, no worries bud
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> thanks hay207
[13:19] <thyriaen> Hi, ive got a problem with kubuntu - it hangs on boot - when i boot with nomodeset setting, it does boot however without amdgpu driver, without nomodeset and amdgpu.dc=0 it still hangs on boot, i am trying to get my rx5700xt to work
[13:19] <pragmaticenigma> hay207: amdgpu does not currently provide support for your card. That is why you are seeing the Radeon driver being loaded instead of the amdgpu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: for you, is the update grub script not able to find your windows installation? It shouldn't matter if it is on a different drive, the tool usually scans for all bootable OS's
[13:21] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, it does indeed find it and even put a windows 10 listing in the grub menu, but when i select it, it give an error that the partition does no exist
[13:21] <hay207> Ok, but i read it do provide basic support for hd8550 in a post
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> hay207: The page I linked is the source of truth, what is written there is what is officially supported
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: Are you working with a mixed UEFI and legacy boot configuration? Where Windows 10 is installed UEFI, and Ubuntu was installed Legacy?
[13:23] <hay207> Ok, thanks a lot for help pragma :)
[13:24] <hay207> Bye
[13:24] <afidegnum> i did sudo grub-install /dev/sda3 and i have an error of grub-install: Error: failed to get canonical path of '/cow'
[13:24] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, here is a picture of the error screen.  https://imagebin.ca/v/4vDULQXa2Sxz
[13:24] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, yes i do believe so
[13:24] <afidegnum> i m using Ubuntu Live USB  while trying instead of installing
[13:25] <hay207> You using virtualbox glitchd?
[13:25] <afidegnum> no
[13:25] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, so i know i need to point grub to the efi partition of the windows install, but i cant figure out the number i need to use
[13:26] <glitchd> hay207, no.
[13:26] <hay207> How you got a screenshot of bootscreen?
[13:26] <glitchd> hay207, grub-emu and a screenshot
[13:26] <afidegnum> pragmaticenigma: any insight ?
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> afidegnum: Actual EFI fixing isn't something I'm very familiar with. I know there are a couple other volunteers here (usually online in a couple hours) that are better suited for helping on this issue
[13:28] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, not a problem, i can come back later. im still able to boot into windows if i change the boot order so it not a life or death situation.
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: Does Windows have bitlocker running?
[13:29] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, honestly i have no idea. im in linux atm so i cant even check
[13:29] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, but it is a super fresh install, i just built this system in the last week or so.
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> glitchd: Bitlocker would be something you had to have enabled when you installed/configured your windows insatallation
[13:30] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, well i dont remember specifically enabling that feature, so my guess would be no
[13:32] <glitchd> pragmaticenigma, ive gotta run man, thx for the intended help.
[13:58] <Killerherts> So I originally install Ubuntu with partitional file system since it was my 2nd install I did not want to complicate things. Now my media server have been expanded accross several hds and is just to spread out to find anything. I know I have to reinstall to use lvm to cure then problem. Do I also need to off load the data from all my hard drives
[13:58] <Killerherts> and format them again. Or will that not be necessary
[14:01] <sarnold> yeah you can't do in-place swaps
[14:02] <Habbie> if you can offload -one-
[14:02] <Habbie> you can lvm that one, move data back onto it, offload the next one, etc.
[14:02] <Killerherts> Oh my ok that was my next question
[14:03] <Killerherts> Jesus this is going to be a long day that no one can watch TV on.
[14:04] <Killerherts> There is not a more elegant solution I'm not thinking of correct lol. ( Prays for miracle)
[14:04] <sarnold> well, *elegant* sounds like buying a new pile of six hard drives and installing zfs and moving everything over :D
[14:05] <Habbie> Killerherts, there are way *less* elegant solutions that might limit downtime
[14:07] <Killerherts> Lol sarnold that will be a hard sell to the wife. Ok well looks like I'm backing up some tbs today to get this converstion going
[14:08] <sarnold> in truth you could probably just do eg two 8tb or 10tb drives, I hear you can get good ones in a usb enclosure for something like $180.. and 10tb would fit most people's media collectoins
[14:09] <sarnold> buying more drives than that are just to put off having a full pool for a few years
[14:10] <Killerherts> This is ultimately where it's all going I need an excuse to learn how to set up lvm so I can say I know a little bit about it
[14:11] <Killerherts> Seems like you gotta break a few things in Linux before you can really understand it
[14:13] <sarnold> definitely that's a good inccentive to learn how to fix things :) thogh hopefully there are easier ways
[14:15] <Killerherts> I'll keep poking around your zfs input is now my new Google rabbit hole
[14:15] <Killerherts> Thanks for the help
[14:15] <sarnold> Killerherts: https://pthree.org/2012/12/04/zfs-administration-part-i-vdevs/  my favourite series of blog posts :)
[14:17] <Killerherts> Nice thanks well looks like I got some reading to handle thanks
[14:18] <sarnold> :D
[14:39] <bogn> Hi everyone, there's a package update for wireshark which seems to fix CVE-2019-12295 but the changelog includes a point saying "Non-maintainer upload". With a security update I'm sort of wary to apply it from a non-maintainer without understanding at least part of the background. Is this a normal procedure?
[14:45] <OerHeks> bogn, hi, you are referring to https://usn.ubuntu.com/4133-1/ ?
[14:45] <OerHeks> CVE-2019-12295 and CVE-2019-13619
[14:45] <bogn> Yes
[14:50] <bogn> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929446#17
[14:51] <OerHeks> bogn, i think you can trust these archives, they come from debian ? https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/bionic-updates/wireshark
[14:51] <OerHeks> git
[14:52] <tonyt> debian has its own repos seperate from ubuntu's OerHeks
[14:54] <OerHeks> tonyt, the original maintainer is Balint Reczey ( debian)
[14:54] <tonyt> k
[14:54] <OerHeks> that is where we got the sources from, to be more precise
[14:54] <sarnold> balint maintains wireshark for both debian and ubuntu. he's a canonical employee.
[14:56] <sarnold> bogn: the ubuntu security team sponsors updates prepared by community members. we work with our community members to ensure the fixes come from upstream authors
[14:57] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures gives some guidelines
[15:10] <bogn> OK, I was just confused by the wording Non-maintainer Upload in the context of a security update
[15:12] <OerHeks> bogn, we appreciate your alertness
[15:12] <bogn> So I took away that the the non-maintainer is in this case a debian maintainer instead of an ubuntu maintainer. I think I can trust this enough.
[15:12] <bogn> Thanks for the infos.
[15:13] <OerHeks> have fun!
[15:36] <iffraff> Hi, I have an extention that shows me the cpu usage the power govenor etc, and this thing almost always show something like" system overload, CPU throttled (some large int), IRQImbalance detected"
[15:37] <iffraff> and often times it shows the cpu max at like 1.8.  when I believe it shouled be in the 3 range.  can someone help me understand what this means?
[15:41] <doug16k> cpu throttled sounds like an overheating problem
[15:42] <doug16k> low frequency also indicates overheat
[15:42] <doug16k> but low frequency could be normal if system is idling
[15:43] <iffraff> no, it's not idle, it's crankin
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> iffraff: You should also compare the results of the extension against better known CLI tools that perform the same tasks. Extensions sometimes are written with a focus on the author's own system and don't always leverage the correct information for other system configurations.
[15:44] <iffraff> pragmaticenigma: can you suggest a cli tool that is well respected?
[15:44] <doug16k> iffraff, I'd run `watch sensors` and see if temps are staying below 70C
[15:45] <doug16k> if not, definitely a thermal problem
[15:47] <iffraff> so, here's one of the cores, i definitely saw them hitting like 72 but mostly mid to high 50's
[15:47] <doug16k> iffraff, might need `sudo apt install lm-sensors` for the `sensors` command to work
[15:47] <iffraff> Core 0:        +60.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[15:47] <doug16k> 60 is okay. it won't throttle because of that
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> iffraff: I tend to use nmon for a lot of my system monitoring
[15:48] <iffraff> I guess there are two issues, the cpu throttling, which at this moment is not the reading, and the irqimbalance detected
[15:49] <iffraff> do y'all know what the irqimbalance thing is?
[15:49] <doug16k> irqbalance attempts to spread hardware IRQs across cores
[15:49] <doug16k> so they aren't all going to the same CPU
[15:50] <iffraff> so, an imbalance sounds kind of bad
[15:50] <doug16k> if it doesn't occur often, it is probably fine
[15:50] <bodom> Hi there! How do i enable /tmp access to a snap-packaged application?
[15:50] <iffraff> it's pretty much always there
[15:50] <doug16k> iffraff, repeatedly?
[15:51] <doug16k> once is no problem at all, it's just reporting that it is doing it
[15:51] <iffraff> doug16k: everytime I open this extension it says that.  when the cpu is being throttled it's all in red but the rest of the time it's in yello
[15:51] <iffraff> does nmon report irqbalance?
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> iffraff: no... but it can report cpu throttling, I use it to see where system bottlenecks are... i.e. CPU graphs show large amounts of Waits, because the Disk I/O is still clearing
[15:57] <iffraff> is 12 - 17 a large amount of waits?
[15:59] <darutoko> what is the best tool for making freecell game for ubuntu?
[16:03] <rapidwave> For some reason when I adjust volume, it doesn't effect the voloume of speakers plugged in via headphone jack
[16:04] <de-facto> it only affects the current output afaik
[16:05] <rapidwave> Well, when they are plugged in, they should be current output
[16:05] <de-facto> you hear sound from them?
[16:06] <rapidwave> Yes, but volume control doesn't work
[16:08] <de-facto> hmm for me that works, i use https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/751/audio-output-switcher/ for switching between outputs (e.g. HDMI, Headphone etc)
[16:08] <de-facto> maybe you can check with alsamixer? not sure
[16:08] <iffraff> doug16k: or pragmaticenigma so switching gears to the cpu throttling, I'm doing some moible development ( for android ) and via sys mon, I see all 8 cpu's maxed out.  if this is then throttling them down to half speed I'm kind of screwed, what can I do about this?
[16:09] <rapidwave> Think I found it....it was set to send to HDMI
[16:09] <de-facto> yeah thats why i use above extension and for inputs the https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/768/audio-input-switcher/
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> iffraff: that's outside the realm of my knowledge... there are so many differenct factors from how you set up your dev environment, to what compiles, virtualizers and other tools you might have running. Most of which isn't really on-topic for this channel. I would suggest reaching out to a community more focused on mobile application development to see what advice they can offer in setting up your environment to be more efficient
[16:13] <iffraff> pragmaticenigma: no, I get that, I know I'm probably running too much, or whatever, but my question is why would it throttle, when the cpus are in high utilization, and is there anything I can do about that?
[16:15] <TJ-> iffraff: throttling occurs when the CPU detects internal hot-spots... this often happens when all cores are being utilised. The peak CPU clock ratings you see advertised are usually the max for a single core... when more cores are busy and heat builds up in indivudal cores they will be down-clocked
[16:16] <iffraff> I see, and in a lap top is there anyway to cool them? would that allow them to ... work harder?
[16:17] <TJ-> iffraff: a laptop in particular has limited ability to cool itself
[16:18] <iffraff> so I run the laptop with the lid closed :) I have two external monitors, I suspect that might trap some heat?
[16:19] <TJ-> I would expect so yes
[16:20] <iffraff> I wonder if there's a way to run with the lid up but the monitor off.
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> iffraff: Yes, laptops often use the area around the keyboard to draw in air, was well as vent away heat... the lid down is trapping all that heat in the base. Keep the lid open. My work laptop for dev work is on a perforated monitor stand when it is docked so it has airflow all around. Lid stays open even though I'm using external monitors
[16:21] <iffraff> it doesn't really feel warm to the touch
[16:22] <TJ-> iffraff: is the laptop panel displaying anything even though the lid is closed? if not it could be disabled using "xrandr --output eDP-1 --off" or similar (use "xrandr" to get the output name)
[16:23] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: sounds like mine.. although I sank the perforated grill and fan into the bench itself
[16:24] <iffraff> well, this is good info, seems I can turn built in mon off via displays gui, and I can maybe raise the lap top upa bit on some sticks or something.
[16:25] <iffraff> I will keep an eye on performance and hopefuly this will help.
[16:25] <iffraff> thanks
[16:25] <iffraff> no my ram, that's anouther story. 16gig 92% in use
[16:27] <super_koza> Hi people!
[16:27] <SubZ3r0_Toxic> TJ- SLBS
[16:27] <super_koza> I need help setting up RAID on my system.
[16:28] <super_koza> I have 3x 1.5 TB disks and want to setup RAID 5.
[16:29] <super_koza> I figured I would do something like this:
[16:29] <super_koza> DISK 1:
[16:29] <super_koza>     - 1 GB efi partition
[16:29] <super_koza>     - 4 GB swap
[16:30] <super_koza> - rest for RAID
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | super_koza
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> Also super_koza ... wait for someone responds to your question, if someone is able to help, they will reply to you in the channel
[16:32] <super_koza> sure, will do
[16:32] <super_koza> here is the partitioning that I had in mind: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h2m89MWCxg/
[16:34] <super_koza> is this good enough? I see a vulnerability here if a DISK 1 dies. This means I would have to have efi partition on each disk, but I am not sure how to setup this.
[17:12] <lordcirth_> You can make an EFI partition and copy the contents across. Should work, but I've never done it.
[17:13] <lordcirth_> But the boot entry on the motherboard will only point to one EFI partition at a time, so you might have to select the drive manually during boot if you get a failure.
[17:24] <TJ-> Sounds like that's one heck of an EFI-SP -- 1GB !
[17:43] <NoImNotNineVolt> if i have a certificate chain with 3 certs in one file, each demarcated with the usual ---BEGIN---, etc... can i just dump this into /usr/share/ca-certificates/foo/bar.crt and have dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates understand? or do i need to split it into 3 separate files?
[17:44] <TJ-> NoImNotNineVolt: that is fine as a single file
[17:45] <NoImNotNineVolt> sweet. awesome. then i'll give it a shot.
[17:45] <TJ-> NoImNotNineVolt:  oftentimes with CAs that have intermediates that is done with the host's cert
[17:46] <NoImNotNineVolt> yea, in this case, i want to trust our team's intermediate, but it's signed by our org's intermediate (which doesn't roll up to a trusted root)
[17:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> rehash: warning: skipping foo.pem,it does not contain exactly one certificate or CRL
[17:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> but ha, it worked anyway.
[18:07] <TJ-> NoImNotNineVolt: hmmm, that means the certs didn't get rolled up into the single /etc/ssl/ca-certificates.crt  ... maybe policy has changed since I last had to do that. Best to check
[18:15] <doug16k> super_koza, you could setup a raid 1 mirror for the efi partition, since you can only withstand losing one drive, you'd still have the efi partition, then when you replace the failed drive, it can rebuild the redundant efi partition naturally
[18:16] <super_koza> I thought efi can't be on RAID at all...
[18:16] <super_koza> I remember reading that somewhere
[18:17] <doug16k> raid 1 is so simple it works
[18:17] <doug16k> ot
[18:17] <doug16k> it is just mirroring
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> EFI will work with RAID if the you have a hardware RAID controller. It will not work with Software Defined RAID
[18:17] <doug16k> no need to do something special with reads
[18:18] <TJ-> super_koza: couple of points 1) EFI_SP does not need 1GB ... more like 64MB !
[18:19] <TJ-> super_koza: also, if you're using mdadm software raid, and use metadata version 0.9 or 1.0, which puts metadata at end not beginning, you can safely do a RAID-1 of the EFI-SP
[18:20] <doug16k> super_koza, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID  "Warning: the /boot filesystem cannot use any softRAID level other than 1 with the stock Ubuntu bootloader"
[18:20] <TJ-> super_koza: in that case the PC's UEFI boot-manager ignores (does not know) about the RAID mirror it just uses a single device partition as normal
[18:21] <super_koza> OK, I will try putting efi partition on RAID 1 across the 3 drives
[18:21] <super_koza> Lets see what happens
[18:21] <TJ-> super_koza: nice side effect is, you can manually use efibootmgr to add both halfs of the RAID-1 mirror to the boot menu, set one as default, if it ever dies you can simply select the other device from the UEFI boot menu
[18:26] <super_koza> TJ-: That sounds great! Why halves, I've got 3 disks... :D
[18:26] <TJ-> super_koza: mirrors usually only have 2 sides when they're on the wall :)
[18:26] <super_koza> So I have swap in RAID 0, efi in RAID 1 and root in RAID 5
[18:26] <doug16k> super_koza, you don't need 3 - you are screwed if you lose more than one drive anyway
[18:26] <TJ-> RAID-5 ? yurk
[18:27] <TJ-> 3-disk RAID-5 is a disaster waiting to happen :)
[18:27] <super_koza> Why?
[18:27] <super_koza> I have 3x 1.5 TB
[18:28] <super_koza> and I need ~2 TB storage :D
[18:28] <doug16k> super_koza, I mean, don't need 3 drive efi mirror
[18:28] <TJ-> test and see... rebuild times can be very very long
[18:28] <lordcirth_> When you lose a drive, you now have a gap of replacing the drive and rebuilding, where the remaining drives, which are identical to the failed one are under heavy load.
[18:28] <super_koza> sorry doug16k, I get you, good point
[18:28] <lordcirth_> I have a 3-drive raidz, but that's at least ZFS.
[18:28] <lordcirth_> And it's not for anything too important.
[18:29] <super_koza> lordcirth_ and TJ-, so what do you suggest I do?
[18:30] <doug16k> to avoid the issue of stressing the other two nearly failed drives, you can dd the two still working drives onto a full set of 3 replacements, and rebuild on the new fresh drives
[18:30] <lordcirth_> super_koza, You could do a small raid1 rootfs, and the rest raidz, so at least you'd be safe from bitflips. You could also do a 3-way mirror. You'd only get 1.5 TB, but it'd be faster and safer.
[18:31] <super_koza> 1.5 TB is just not enough
[18:31] <super_koza> I need at least 2TB
[18:31] <super_koza> and I am limited to 3 disks at the most
[18:32] <lordcirth_> Why is that, not enough slots?
[18:33] <super_koza> Yes, I am trying to make a home server out of an old HP SFF PC.
[18:34] <super_koza> I have already populated both 3.5" drives and a 5.25" DVD drive.
[18:34] <super_koza> Which means one of the drives is using a slower SATA standard...
[18:34] <super_koza> But hey, I expect my network to be slower than the slower SATA so... :D
[19:07] <CJ-> TJ
[19:36] <imjustaman> Hello. Please someone help me. I've spend 12 f$cking hours trying to work this out.
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> imjustaman: For starters, to get help, please mind your tone and language. Using vulger language is less likely to get any attention from the volunteers here. Next, state your question up front. If someone has an idea or is able to help you, they will speak up.
[19:40] <arinov> i can set left panel autohide mode in settings menu, but where can i get the same with top panel?
[19:42] <ioria> arinov, you need an extension
[19:42] <arinov> ioria: which one?
[19:43] <ioria> arinov, probably this : https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/545/hide-top-bar/
[19:45] <imjustaman> I have a cheap laptop with an internal eMMC. It has a 2.5" SSD bay and 2 USB ports. On the eMMC, it has windows installed and it works just fine.
[19:45] <imjustaman> However, when I try to boot any medium from either the USB ports or the SSD bay, it goes like this: BIOS-->Select boot device (ie SanDisk UEFI)-->GRUB loads up just fine.Then, when I hit any of the GRUB menu entries, the system stops. Whatever was on the screen freezes, and nothing happens.What is going on?
[19:45] <imjustaman> For more context, in the past (I don't remember how, I think it was just from a plain live USB) I had installed ubuntu on the SSD with GRUB on the eMMC.At some point ubuntu wouldn't load because a black screen would appear after GRUB just like the USB/SSD issue. I don't know what triggered this, I wasn't using the laptop at the time.
[19:48] <imjustaman> I spend the whole day trying different media and different live OSs (tried Ubuntu, Debian, Lubuntu, TinyCore, an external CD drive, turning an SSD into a live CD installation and then transferring it to the laptop etc). NOTHING worked
[19:48] <OerHeks> care to share what laptop exactly?
[19:49] <imjustaman> Thomson "NEO".
[19:50] <imjustaman> neo 14 to be exact
[19:52] <imjustaman> The weird thing is that it used to just work... Ubuntu and bootable USBs would load. Now it just doesn't work. I would suspect a hardware fault but what kind of hardware fault would that be? It doesn't make any sense.
[19:52] <imjustaman> GRUB loads, Windows boots fine. I didn't update the BIOS.
[19:55] <arinov> imjustaman: try to play with grub interactive
[19:55] <EriC^^> imjustaman: what happens when you try to boot ubuntu?
[19:58] <imjustaman> EriC^^ I have already taken the drive out, backup up my data and formatted it, so I can't load it from the old MBR entry that appears in the BIOS menu.
[19:58] <imjustaman> However before doing that the problem was still the same: the screen would freeze after grub
[19:59] <imjustaman> arinov I'm not that experienced with GRUB I'm afraid. I tried to 'ls' all the HDD partitions it saw but I only found a couple EFI files, and don't know enough to boot manually.
[20:00] <imjustaman> I couldn't even tell which drive is which
[20:00] <arinov> imjustaman: can it boot old non-uefi mode?
[20:03] <imjustaman> I'm not sure.. The BIOS doesn't show any non-UEFI options. Should it? I thought it should but they don't appear.
[20:03] <imjustaman> Also I faintly remember having to mess with the secure boot and add ubuntu's key for the dual boot to work properly. But it's been over a year and I don't trust my memory.
[20:11] <EriC^^> imjustaman: ah ok
[20:18] <doug16k> imjustaman, the option will say something to the effect of "Load Compatibilty Support Module" or "CSM"
[20:18] <doug16k> to boot in non-efi mode
[20:19] <doug16k> CSM on == boot non-efi
[20:41] <imjustaman> doug16k THANK YOU! I found an option to enable CSM and legacy only option on the BIOS, and the drive booted! I'm so happy, it's finally happening!
[20:44] <super_koza> Damn, this stuff is still installing... :(
[21:24] <super_koza> Ok, the installation failed.
[21:25] <super_koza> The message is Unable to install GRUB
[21:25] <super_koza> Executing 'grub-install dummy' failed.
[21:25] <super_koza> What should I do?
[21:33] <doug16k> super_koza, on bare machine or is it a VM?
[21:33] <super_koza> Bare machine, single boot
[21:34] <super_koza> Some time ago there was a ubuntu installation running on it
[21:34] <super_koza> the only hardware difference is that I added another hard drive
[21:35] <super_koza> so, I am kinda without ideas
[21:35] <be-p> I'm trying to run a python script that start child independent processes from etc/profile.d/. If I run the script manually it works, if I make it run from profile.d dir it doesn't, I cannot find child processes with ps. any hint of what's happening?
[21:36] <doug16k> be-p, wild guess: PATH isn't set when your script runs
[21:37] <doug16k> set yet*
[21:37] <doug16k> try full paths to things
[21:39] <doug16k> or throw PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin at the beginning after the shebang
[21:40] <doug16k> or even: export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
[21:43] <doug16k> I mean on a line after the shebang, on on the same line
[21:43] <doug16k> not on the same line*
[21:44] <activedecay> Why am I seeing a log message in auth.log, "session opened for user root by (uid=0)", when `sudo crontab -e` shows an empty file?
[21:44] <activedecay> `CRON[4560]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)`
[21:45] <activedecay> this system was recently attacked, and i just want to feel around for more information before i nuke this box
[21:45] <doug16k> super_koza, did you hook the new drive up to the RAID controller instead of the main AHCI controller? (I'm guessing it is a SATA drive)
[21:46] <doug16k> many motherboards have a fakeraid controller on board too
[21:47] <super_koza> doug16k, no I didn't
[21:47] <super_koza> DVD drive was previously connected to this connector, it is a SATA
[21:48] <OerHeks> activedecay, i think without intrusion system running in the background, only your router log can give confirmation about that time/date attack. But if 'they' obtained root, traces would be deleted, including that auth.log.
[21:48] <be-p> doug16k I've substituted relative path to abs paths but it still doesn't work. the script is trying to print, maybe the descriptors are closed, it raises an error that crashes the process?
[21:49] <doug16k> be-p, redirect their output to a file with >>
[21:49] <doug16k> also, the content there might tell you something, assuming it makes it that far
[21:49] <be-p> can I use /dev/null
[21:49] <doug16k> yes
[21:57] <be-p> doug16k in the log file i get : systemd[1]: Stopping RealtimeKit Scheduling policy Service ...
[22:00] <doug16k> be-p, is that related to your profile script?
[22:01] <be-p> i think yes because it is the file created by the redirection of the output of my profile script
[22:01] <be-p> this situation is getting insane
[22:02] <be-p> I only want to start a bunch of processes at startup without messing with /etc/init.d weirdness
[22:07] <doug16k> be-p, you want them to run when you log on? or when the machine boots?
[22:09] <doug16k> profile.d scripts will run when most shells run, so every time you run bash or something
[22:10] <doug16k> but not all shells
[22:10] <be-p> I was thinking that profile.d was only for logins shell (hence I was thinking that was the proper way to run processes when the user logs in)
[22:11] <be-p> i want to start processes preferably when the user logs in
[22:12] <be-p> f.e. start automatically some windows
[22:14] <doug16k> hmm, maybe you're right that it doesn't run them on each shell
[22:14] <doug16k> just did quick test
[22:17] <be-p> anyway, that it has to be so difficult to run processes when the user logs in, is absurd
[22:19] <zgr> hello everyone, I've trouble restoring lvm backup to another machine. I'd like to clone existing ubuntu installation to vm. while executing vgcfgrestore I'm getting couldn't find uuid error
[22:20] <doug16k> be-p, run "Startup Applications", add it/them there
[22:20] <doug16k> "Startup Applications" gui program
[22:21] <doug16k> it's analogous to windows Programs/Startup
[22:25] <doug16k> be-p, also, if you want to run gui programs at startup as though you had double-clicked their desktop icon or ran from dock, you can copy their .desktop file into ~/.config/autostart
[22:26] <be-p> for background or other non ui processes the only way to go is /etc/init.d right?
[22:29] <doug16k> be-p, a cron job that runs @reboot is another way
[22:29] <doug16k> man 5 crontab
[22:36] <tomreyn> zgr: there are usually softwares / tools to migrate / import / clone physical systems into VMs. how are you doing it, which virutalization are you using?
[22:39] <tomreyn> activedecay: which ubuntu version is this?
[22:41] <tomreyn> you'll likely have /etc/crontab defining the hourly cron runs, which is probably what you're seeing on those logs.
[22:53] <Phruis`> why is thunderbird so outdated?
[22:53] <Phruis`> it says 60 but version 68 is out
[23:12] <OerHeks> Stable release‎: ‎68 (August 27, 2019; 8 days ago)  68 is out on EOAN, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-team-update-monday-16th-september-2019/12501/8 for progress
[23:13] <shibboleth> will golang be updated for bionic?
[23:13] <shibboleth> 1.9 is so,,, not now
[23:14] <OerHeks> LTS usually do not get those great updates, unless there is a SRU filed.
[23:15] <TheMister> I'm having trouble with my ubuntu install. I moved my installation from one hard drive to another. In a livecd I copied / to the new drive using cp -a /mnt/oldroot/* /mnt/newroot/. I did not update grub properly, and the system refused to boot as the boot UUID was different. I booted into the livecd again, mount --bind /dev /sys /proc to the /mnt/newroot mountpoints, chrooted, updated the initramfs and reinstalled
[23:15] <TheMister> grub. Now the system boots, but / is mounted read only. I can remount / read-write by modifying the grub.cfg file changing root=UUID=<some_uuid> ro to root=UUID=<some_uuid> rw. Though after updating the grub.cfg reverts back to ro. How do I get / to mount r/w on boot?
[23:16] <shibboleth> well, wpad 2.7 and golang 1.11 are on my wishlist.
[23:18] <shibboleth> any specific reason why regular repos don't accept https connections?
[23:20] <OerHeks> install apt-transport-https if that makes you feel safe
[23:22] <shibboleth> it is
[23:22] <shibboleth> but the local repos are set up incorrectly
[23:23] <shibboleth> and the security repo doesn't like tls connections
[23:24] <uRock> Does Xubuntu have any cron scripts set to run by default? I am wanting to remove it, but don't want to break anything in the process.
[23:27] <uRock> I don't see anything in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ so guessing it is safe to remove cron.
[23:27] <ZeZu> Anyone have experience getting random remotes to work w. lirc?  (no irbuster)
[23:27] <doug16k> uRock, remove cron? really? why?
[23:27] <doug16k> sounds insane to me
[23:28] <uRock> I don't use it and https://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/skidmap-linux-malware-uses-rootkit-capabilities-to-hide-cryptocurrency-mining-payload/
[23:28] <uRock> If Xubuntu needs it, then I'll leave it. Personally, I've never used it for anything.
[23:29] <doug16k> how do you know you don't use cron though. is anything in /etc/cron.d or /etc/cron.daily ?
[23:30] <doug16k> I don't think a unixy OS exists that doesn't use cron
[23:30] <uRock> I have no clue if the system or something I've installed is using it.
[23:30] <uRock> That's why I was asking. I've never purposefully used it.
[23:31] <doug16k> it's a core thing that practically everything will assume exists
[23:32] <uRock> Yeah, I see there's quite a few scripts listed in daily. I'll leave it be then. Thanks doug16k that answered my question.