[00:01] <ubptgbot> hunkier was added by: hunkier
[01:40] <hallyn> i guess find -cnewer will suffice for now
[01:41] <hallyn> so i was in the terminal and entered selection mode ...  how do you get out of that? :)
[01:41] <hallyn> i had to kill it and restart
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/4jtOteSP.png First install ever of Ubuntu Touch for me. The installer was super simple and easy. Great work!
 👏👏👏💪
 @hallyn [so i was in the terminal and entered selection mode ...  how do you get out of t …], The x in the top-ish right
 Uh hallyn: The x in the top-ish right
[02:55] <hallyn> hm, i didn't see an x
[02:57] <hallyn> huh, trying it again now - yeah there is no x, but if i click at top right in the right spot it exits
[02:57] <hallyn> thx
 @elagost [<reply to media>], Welcome to the UT club
 You don't see an x? That weird
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/OFk4vlPF.png
 Like this?
 @Fuseteam [You don't see an x? That weird], this is Terminal for me on a Meizu Pro 5 rc channel
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/i7n0XX0i.png
 @Fuseteam [You don't see an x? That weird], Ah, that is where this button is. I have never seen it before. Ok, never used selection mode. But I think I have an idea where to look for that to fix it.
 You do see it only with background opacity less than 100%.
 I just opened an issue for that.
 Oh my opacity is indeed less than 100%
 I missed that when I did the header for terminal. 😟 Well, same treatment than the other buttons should do the job.
 Oooh great job with the header btw
[04:23] <ubptgbot> zen_monkey was added by: zen_monkey
 @Fuseteam [Oooh great job with the header btw], Thanks. It was just too annoying with the floating icons blocking my input. So I took action. 😬
 @TotalSonic thank you sir for pointing me out the new version of our signal client. I didn't knew the project was being worked on lately!!
 [Edit] @TotalSonic thank you sir for pointing me out the new version of our signal client. I didn't know that the project was being worked on lately!!
 @malditobastardo [@TotalSonic thank you sir for pointing me out the new version of our signal clie …], all thanks go to @nanu_c for his excellent work so far on this!
 Is there a list of compatible devices anywhere?
 @Danfro [You do see it only with background opacity less than 100%.], about opacity, is there the chance to have the keyboard, when set to transparent mode, to overlap on the terminal screen to let you see the words underneath? I noticed that every time you tap to get the OSK to show up, the row to write on, where the prompt cursor is,
[07:54] <ubptgbot> goes hidden by the OSK and you have to scroll the screen a bit to actually see what you are typing. By the way, great job with the last update, thank you!
 @mattbel10 [about opacity, is there the chance to have the keyboard, when set to transparent …], There was a way. A kind of hack from Kris Jace to do that
 The option to do it from system settings still doesn't work right?
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 @mattbel10 [about opacity, is there the chance to have the keyboard, when set to transparent …], wouldn't the correct behavior be for the app to scroll/move up to show the input cursor?
 hmm, wanted to test the behavior, but in Edge it seems the keyboard button in terminal app no longer works?
 weird restarting terminal helped, keyboard responds again
 @malditobastardo [There was a way. A kind of hack from Kris Jace to do that], yes, I remember the Kris's hack for that, I'd like this to be implemented if possible. Maybe later I'll have a look at how to implement it, if any easy according to my current knowledge...
 I don't know the terminal is behaving different from how it was before
 Before with one finger you scrolled to previous commands history
 Now you need two fingera
 @YougoChats [weird restarting terminal helped, keyboard responds again], keyboard not appearing in apps seems to be a common issue
 @malditobastardo [The option to do it from system settings still doesn't work right?], if you set the OSK to be transparent, it works, but when you tap on the terminal screen the OSK shows up not overlapping on the terminal but moving up the text and decreasing the terminal screen space
 @mattbel10 [if you set the OSK to be transparent, it works, but when you tap on the terminal …], Yes i understand
 @malditobastardo [Now you need two fingera], they were interchanged
 one finger for scrolling, 2 finger for history
 @Javacookies [they were interchanged], I dont like that
 Grr
 @YougoChats [wouldn't the correct behavior be for the app to scroll/move up to show the input …], yes, the correct behavior would be that, unfortunately you cannot see anymore the input cursor when the OSK shows up, then you need extra effort scrolling the screen upwards
 i see. 1) type a command that outputs something that is larger than your screen --> cursor is visible above OSK. 2) close OSK, then open OSK  --> cursor drops behind OSK. 3) workaround: type something harmless --> cursor pops above keyboard again.
 @mattbel10 [yes, the correct behavior would be that, unfortunately you cannot see anymore th …], Why this changed?
 @malditobastardo [I dont like that], maybe because you just got used to the previous behavior
 [Edit] i see. 1) type a command that outputs something that is larger than your screen --> cursor is visible above OSK. 2) close OSK, then open OSK  --> cursor drops behind OSK. 3) workaround: blind type something harmless and press enter--> cursor pops above keyboard again.
 @Javacookies [maybe because you just got used to the previous behavior], Of course but why?
 one finger swiping is the standard for scrolling
 @Javacookies [they were interchanged], ^ohh thats whats going on! i was thinking i'd gone stupid😆
 I think I'm the one that suggested it but honestly I'm not too sure now if I liked it 😅
 @malditobastardo [Why this changed?], I think this changed originally when the new terminal UI was introduced long time ago....I think it occurred during the Canonical days
 in my opinion it's a bug
 so I guess it's a question of which is  more frequently done, scroll or bash history
 @Javacookies [one finger swiping is the standard for scrolling], on mobile yes, on laptops trackpad no == bad situation
 @YougoChats [on mobile yes, on laptops trackpad no == bad situation], excatly, were on mobile 😜
 I don't know, maybe a new gesture for browsing history
 i guess it's fine either way. just, pick something and stick with it :-P
 @Danfro [Thanks. It was just too annoying with the floating icons blocking my input. So I …], Good example!
 @malditobastardo [I dont like that], And it breaks terminal apps :p
 @Javacookies [so I guess it's a question of which is  more frequently done, scroll or bash his …], But it breaks scrolling in terminal apps like vim
 @Fuseteam [But it breaks scrolling in terminal apps like vim], ah really? how?
 @Javacookies [ah really? how?], it does scroll in the wrong/opposite direction.
 I can't explain why vim and nano behave difderent. When I changed scroll behaviour (to fix an issue), I just renamed the functions (single swipe <-> double swipe).
 I for my part think single swipe to scroll bash history is more natural on the phone, like scrolling through a page.
 But if it messes up vim and nano, well thats no good.
 With the OSK, I think, it really should always show you the prompt line.
 No transparency.
 @Javacookies [ah really? how?], Up=down and down=up
 @Danfro [it does scroll in the wrong/opposite direction.], ah yes, I forgot, I replicated that already 😅
 The reason is singleswipe simulates the scroll wheel
 And well that's how nano and vim behave under the scroll wheel
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 @Fuseteam [And well that's how nano and vim behave under the scroll wheel], Hm, I am not sure we can cope for that. Find out wich editor is used and swap directions.
 And then it would have been wrong way round before too, only triggered with double swipe.
[11:15] <ubptgbot> <Tobs End> @YougoChats [is there any way to process an .ics file and make it show up in my calendar, in …], To make .ics show up in my calender I imported the file in to the calender of my E-Mail account and used CalDav to make it show up on my UT device.
 oh yeah, recently got harder to scroll through bash history - i started using two fingers for it
 and i always seem to think 'close' in that menu should close the menu... but it closes the terminal
 @Tobs End [To make .ics show up in my calender I imported the file in to the calender of my …], yeah, the thing is, the likes of Google handle it by sniffing the .ics files from your mail and adding it to your calendar automagically, while other providers don't have that service and assume you install a client that can handle .ics file
[11:25] <ubptgbot> s (MS outlook does it well, thunderbird/lightning in a bit of a roundabout way) but UT seems to have no idea what to do with .ics files.
 @mateosalta [and i always seem to think 'close' in that menu should close the menu... but it …], Hehe, true. I never really used that menu, until I discovered it recently.
 The string might need to be changed.
 it would be good if calendar app could pick up .ics files from the content hub and show them in the 'new event' dialogue for the user to review and save
 @YougoChats [yeah, the thing is, the likes of Google handle it by sniffing the .ics files fro …], There is an issue open with calendar that ics import should be made available. Needs some work with content hub.
 @Danfro [There is an issue open with calendar that ics import should be made available. N …], i know. i think i filed that one (or at least subscribed)
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 @YougoChats [i know. i think i filed that one (or at least subscribed)], It comes down to missing manpower. But this certainly is important. Same with vcf for contacts.
 vcf is supported
 contacts CardDav sync would be awesome though
 @YougoChats [vcf is supported], true. This works from filecommander. It 'only' needs an import option from within contcts app.
 for discoverability, yes
 going through content-hub to import event ics attachments from e-mail seems the wrong way to go about that though
 @Danfro [And then it would have been wrong way round before too, only triggered with doub …], I guess terminal's work like that in general tho: arrow scrolls through bash history and scrolls normally in terminal apps
 @Fuseteam [I guess terminal's work like that in general tho: arrow scrolls through bash his …], But down shouldn't be up, regardless of input device. 😁
 It can if think in terms of a scroll wheel
 @Fuseteam [It can if think in terms of a scroll wheel], nope. scroll wheel in vim doesn't go opposite directions for me
 You sure?
 it's really only since the apple "magic" trackpads has this reverse scrolling thing been a thing
 I think 'reverse scrolling' is what is in effect in bash
 no, the difference isn't scroll wheel vs arrows
 In terms of the "bug" it is
 it's scroll wheel vs direct touch input (aka "natural scrolling")
 Current behaviour is single finger simulates scroll wheel and two fingers simulate arrow keys
 with wheel, up is up and down is down. with "natural scroll" it is reversed because the behavior is meant to simulate your fingers pushing paper upward, and thus you scroll down
 It used to be the other way around
 We're talking about the terminal app rodney
 i am talking about general expected behavior of input devices with respect to scrolling, and how you should term things when discussing the "issue"
 @Fuseteam [Current behaviour is single finger simulates scroll wheel and two fingers simula …], This is what is defined in Terminal.qml
 I realize that but this is about the current and previous behavior of the terminal app
 As the terminal simulates the arrow keys and scroll wheel
 Afaict
 anyway, this seems like the wrong group to have a long "debugging" discussion in, about it
 @Danfro [But down shouldn't be up, regardless of input device. 😁], Anyway i think single finger should simulate arrow keys not the scroll wheel, perhaps we need another way to simulate scroll wheel if two fingers too much of an hassle
 @dohbee [anyway, this seems like the wrong group to have a long "debugging" discussion in …], That's a fair point
 "scroll wheel" is the wrong term there i think. which is what i have been saying
 I guess
 I'm just using the term based on what i see of how it works
[14:07] <ubptgbot> Justin Bellero was added by: Justin Bellero
[15:19] <hallyn> is there a simple CLI program i can use to add something to the notifications and maybe vibrate and turn on the notification led?
[15:19] <hallyn> notify-send doesn't seem to work
 Notifs work via the push server
 Not sure if that's applicable in your sit tho
[15:25] <hallyn> if there's a "ubuntu-push my-message" then it does
[15:25] <hallyn> i did see some examples using rest queries
[15:25] <hallyn> they didn't work fo rme, but maybe i just need to try harder
 I also believe need a couple of ids
 [Edit] I also believe you need a couple of ids iirc
[15:38] <ubptgbot> snoerrdi710 was added by: snoerrdi710
 Hello i want to buy an nexus 5 for UBports. But my question is now. Is the OS complete free Form propateriy driver ?
 Thanks in advance
 Its not, current devices requires android drivers
 Newer devices such as the pinephone and the librem 5 are more likely to be 'free of proprietary drivers
 [Edit] Newer devices such as the pinephone and the librem 5 are more likely to be 'free of proprietary drivers'
 Ok
 So than its the same then i use lineage with microg and f droid.
 Not exactly
 Its not android for one :p
 I like the concept of the librem 5.
 It simply makes use if android drivers :3
 And want to be free as possible
 But lineage without gapps is opensource too ?
 At the Moment i search a good solution to be take the control back for my device.
 UT could provide that
 Maybe you can explain what ubports make Mord secure than Android
 But no android
 [Edit] But no android apps
 @Fuseteam [UT could provide that], UT?
 Ubuntu Touch
 Oh dump me haha
 But may the android driver are a backdoor for my device?
 I wouldn't say its more secure perse it's simply more open and more private
 The android drivers are containerized
 I am in the poco f1 at the Moment an think about to buy some nexus 5's for me and my friends
 Actually confinement is present throughout the os
 Apps cannot read everywhere only where it allowed to
 [Edit] Apps cannot read/write everywhere only where it's allowed to do so
 @Fuseteam [The android drivers are containerized], So there is no probateriy plops in the kernel ?
 Nope
 @Fuseteam [Nope], Oh thats nice
 Afaik anyway
 Android drivers are user space implemented sadly
 Sadly because that's reason we need them at all
 Any driver upstreamed in the kernel would be open sourced
 What device is the best and best performance device for UT?
 I was thinking for nexus 5
 @Fuseteam [Android drivers are user space implemented sadly], So that is also not the same like the driver nvidia function at Linux ?
 Sorry for my Bad english
 Depends on your usecase
 @snoerrdi710 [So that is also not the same like the driver nvidia function at Linux ?], Pretty much
 @Fuseteam [Pretty much], Is the same or not ?
 The difference is that there are no open source android drivers
 And that they are in a container
 [Edit] And that they are in a container unlike with nvidia
 Afaiu
 @Fuseteam [And that they are in a container unlike with nvidia], And when it's in a Container than it has no acess to system or kernel right? Like its sandboxed? Isnt it?
 @Fuseteam [Depends on your usecase], I like good Hardware but its only good as his optimization. So there is the question which device is the best supportet one ?
 Do you have some sources to read some knowledg about UT?
 I case oft function
 @Fuseteam [Afaiu], Thanks for your help mate 😊👍
 @snoerrdi710 [Do you have some sources to read some knowledg about UT?], docs.ubports.com is a good start
 @snoerrdi710 [And when it's in a Container than it has no acess to system or kernel right? Lik …], It has access to what it needs nothing more afaiu
 @Fuseteam [It has access to what it needs nothing more afaiu], Nice
 Is it possible to import SMS from android via .XML or .CSV file?
 And UT is no sending data to conanical?
 @snoerrdi710 [I like good Hardware but its only good as his optimization. So there is the ques …], I would suggest to take a look at the issue tracker on github … And choose based on that or wait for the pinephone which will not require android drivers afaiu
 @snoerrdi710 [And UT is no sending data to conanical?], Nope the ubuntu one account is not even used by ut
 @snoerrdi710 [Thanks for your help mate 😊👍], No problem
 Meanwhile i gtg
 @snoerrdi710 [Thanks for your help mate 😊👍], [Edit] No problem 👍
 When will the pinephone released ?
 @snoerrdi710 [When will the pinephone released ?], This year you can get only early access developer devices, I would wait for beginning of next year
 @Flohack [This year you can get only early access developer devices, I would wait for begi …], How i can acess to a dev device n communtiy?
 for one, yes, there may be proprietary blobs loaded into kernel space
 for two, no it's not the same as lineage, as we don't use android UI
 @snoerrdi710 [How i can acess to a dev device n communtiy?], You can just order a brave heart edition when it comes out
 @snoerrdi710 [How i can acess to a dev device n communtiy?], You have to ask Pine themselves
 @dohbee [for two, no it's not the same as lineage, as we don't use android UI], I mean things open source
 @snoerrdi710 [I mean things open source], And driver plops
 *blobs
 @snoerrdi710 [I mean things open source], well, aosp is open source, yes. and UT is open source. but that doesn't make them the same
 it is a very narrow similarity
 @dohbee [for one, yes, there may be proprietary blobs loaded into kernel space], Do you know which proprietary blobs are in the kernel by the nexus 5.
 @dohbee [well, aosp is open source, yes. and UT is open source. but that doesn't make the …], But what makes UT more privacy than asop?
 not off the top of my head, no. it would the same as the ones in factory image or in lineageos, as the same kernel is used
 I'd say confinement
 also, the baseband modem runs its own proprietary OS, and it sits below the kernel and any OS you're running, and every phone has that
 @snoerrdi710 [But what makes UT more privacy than asop?], I'd say confinement
 apps are more confined in UT, so they can't read data of other apps, and well, facebook/etc… aren't targeting UT with their apps to steal data
 @dohbee [also, the baseband modem runs its own proprietary OS, and it sits below the kern …], You mean the Vendor right?
 @dohbee [apps are more confined in UT, so they can't read data of other apps, and well, f …], OK i am now on Lineage with F droid
 no, i mean baseband. the vendor blobs are above that for linux kernel
 @dohbee [also, the baseband modem runs its own proprietary OS, and it sits below the kern …], What about pinephone et al?
 the baseband is basically a separate computer
 @Fuseteam [What about pinephone et al?], yes, it still applies
 Hmm
 @dohbee [no, i mean baseband. the vendor blobs are above that for linux kernel], OK so make it sense that the librem 5 has a separate baseband chip
 also, even plain upstream linux has binary blobs for firmware on various devices
 Only firmware iirc
 @snoerrdi710 [How i can acess to a dev device n communtiy?], i think in October there will be more info for the earily adopters - no os included on that batch
 if you like to flash images and hack at stuff
 @mateosalta [if you like to flash images and hack at stuff], I love it
 @Fuseteam [Only firmware iirc], the point is, if "binary blobs" are a concern for potential spying/backdoors, and paranoia requires you to not use them, then you're not going to get very far with computers
 I agree i suppose, then again snordi did say, and i quote, "as free as possible"
 In which case the answer is pinephone i suppose or librem 5
 or postmarketOS, though you won't necessarily have a fully working device at that point
 but also, UT on nexus 5 (and other android phones) is "as free as possible" for the given scenario, too
 Yep
 Is it more free or just as free as lineage tho?
[17:11] <hallyn> so i have the libertine container running offlineimap and mutt with local folder and smpts..  i *just* need to do notifications from cron in libertine container and i'm all set :)
 Cool
 @hallyn [so i have the libertine container running offlineimap and mutt with local folder …], that might be problematic :P
 No notifs from libertine?
 Or are you refering to cron?
 i don't think you can do cron jobs inside a libertine container really
[17:14] <hallyn> @dohbee oh well i can leave a script running in a term tab, that's fine,
[17:14] <hallyn> but i do want notifications
 and well, it would be horrible for one's battery life
[17:15] <hallyn> would it?  the for loop in bash in bg seems fine
[17:15] <hallyn> i mean, battlife sucks anyway :)
[17:15] <hallyn> counting on pinephone auto-fixing htat for me
 So notifs is all that's left
[17:16] <hallyn> but yeah, i forgot libertine is just a chroot so no free cron
[17:16] <hallyn> yeah, i'll play wit hthose tonight.  assume i just need to figure out how to authenticate the curl requests
 Autofix what? Cron?
 I somehow doubt that
 @hallyn [yeah, i'll play wit hthose tonight.  assume i just need to figure out how to aut …], it's not that simple, if you want to do push notifications
 I think they're gonna do dekko notifs
 Ultimately
[17:18] <hallyn> Fuseteam: no, autofix battery life
 @Fuseteam [I think they're gonna do dekko notifs], what?
 Ah
[17:18] <hallyn> Fuseteam: although, yes
[17:18] <hallyn> pinephone should support lxc containers
[17:18] <hallyn> so i can run full system container including cron
 Ohw yeah hmmmm
[17:19] <hallyn> i can't use dekko at the moment unfortunately,
[17:19] <hallyn> it doesn't support mbox or maildir;  and its imap is unreliable for me
 @dohbee [what?], Dekko also doesn't do push notifs right?
[17:19] <hallyn> i don't need aything fancy
[17:19] <hallyn> maybe i can just echo 1 > /dev/vibrate or something :
 you can make a simple account-polld plug-in, btw
 @Fuseteam [Dekko also doesn't do push notifs right?], it does not
[17:19] <hallyn> as a shell-script?
 @hallyn [as a shell-script?], shell/python/whatever, yes
 @dohbee [it does not], But it does notify iirc :p
 @Fuseteam [But it does notify iirc :p], yes, but it's not running inside libertine either
 True xD
[17:20] <hallyn> oh well actually
[17:20] <hallyn> i'm bind mounting host's ~/mail into container
[17:20] <hallyn> so i can run the notification script from host
 oh my
 account-polld is probably a better idea tho
 though i don't know if notify-send is installed (but i suppose you could just install it in the container and run that one from the host, too)
[17:21] <hallyn> wwhat is account-polld?
 @Fuseteam [account-polld is probably a better idea tho], mostly, yes
[17:22] <hallyn> notify-send didn't seem to work
 @hallyn [wwhat is account-polld?], I'll leave the explaining to @dohbee
 account-polld is a service that runs an executable to poll a server for notifications so you can notify
 @hallyn [wwhat is account-polld?], [Edit] I'll leave the explaining to @dohbee :p
[17:23] <hallyn> ok i'll google it later, thanks
 he's still typing
 i'm not sure how much is doable with simple shell/python as installed in host though. you might have to do funky `gdbus` calls to make persistence work right and such
[17:25] <hallyn> maybe i'll end up having to write an app for it :)  hoping not. i asume an app with an icon in the ontification area is trivial
 That app that uses the libetine container? Oh my 👀
[17:28] <hallyn> hm?  no, it can just look for new files under ~/mail/INBOX
[17:28] <hallyn> it can ignore the libertine-container
[17:32] <hallyn> ...  but if i read https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/guides/pushnotifications.html correctly, i can't send push notifications when i'm offline?
[17:33] <hallyn> i shouldn't be doing this during a meeting :)
 @hallyn [...  but if i read https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/guides/pushnotifica …], you shouldn't worry about push notifications really. if you want push notifications, you should send the push from your server, not something running on the phone itself
[17:36] <hallyn> well actually that's a grea tidea
[17:37] <hallyn> but not what i sholud do right now.
[17:37] <hallyn> if i could do ntify-send + vibrate 3x that would be a good start
 @hallyn [hm?  no, it can just look for new files under ~/mail/INBOX], Oh cool!
[18:21] <hallyn> yeah, and i'll just use sysfs to turn on leds and buzz, that's perfect
 @hallyn [yeah, and i'll just use sysfs to turn on leds and buzz, that's perfect], you don't need that. you can just specify led color and vibrate, and sound, in the extended properties of the notify dbus message
[18:25] <hallyn> i havne't gotten notify dbus messages to work;  url to an example?  i do have working script that just writes to sysfs though when new mail found
[18:25] <hallyn> all i need to add now is a diff led color if offlineimap failed ('network offline')
[18:25] <hallyn> but dbus would be cleaner, so will switch if i can
 Hi is it possible to access tor or onions at all on ubtouch?
 there is no built-in support for tor, no
 Thanks for answering
 @hallyn [i havne't gotten notify dbus messages to work;  url to an example?  i do have wo …], something similar to what's described in https://askubuntu.com/questions/788647/syntax-for-sending-notification-hint-using-gdbus-or-pythons-dbus-module but will need some tweaking for the unity8-specific hints
 hmm, or maybe you'll have to make a separate gdbus call for the messages menu to persist the notification
 @Danfro [I actually had to break the news a few times in the German group so far because …], Is there an german UB group?
 @snoerrdi710 [Is there an german UB group?], Yes
 @snoerrdi710 [Is there an german UB group?], https://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
 @dohbee [https://t.me/UBports_Deutsch], Danke!
 @hallyn [i havne't gotten notify dbus messages to work;  url to an example?  i do have wo …], Hi, sorry if somebody mentioned, but if you want to save battery life, and push notifications on a simple way, put your main program to a server and use ubuntu one. This is how I get push notifications on facebook messenger: https://forums.ubp
[19:30] <ubptgbot> orts.com/topic/3126/facebook-messenger-push-notifications
 @FeketeZoli [Hi, sorry if somebody mentioned, but if you want to save battery life, and push …], there is no need for ubuntu one
 *anymore
 @dohbee [there is no need for ubuntu one], Is there a documentation available?
[19:32] <hallyn> FeketeZoli - yeah that's probably a better way.  maybe a weekend project
 @FeketeZoli [Is there a documentation available?], the ubuntu push API is the same, but there is no longer a need to have an ubuntu one account on the phone side (in current rc)
[19:32] <hallyn> until the weekend, at least this works :)
 How would I add a shortcut to libertine? … I installed a console application and would like to be able to start it without using ssh every time.
[19:33] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> @prpleXist [Hi is it possible to access tor or onions at all on ubtouch?], I'm currently following this group to know if there is a port on a"new" phone... And test tor. There's no reason for tor not to work.
[19:33] <hallyn> dohbee - is there another example then, without account?
[19:33] <hallyn> thanks both of you :)
 Actually not that I think about it, I should add it as service somehow, since it is a client that syncs files in the background
[19:33] <hallyn> i'll post (on planet) both the solutions - the hacky script i have now and the actual 'newmail on server' version
 @MotoFufu9k [How would I add a shortcut to libertine? … I installed a console application and w …], not sure what you mean. there isn't a general way to launch console apps as a terminal app
 [Edit] Actually now that I think about it, I should add it as service somehow, since it is a client that syncs files in the background
[19:34] <hallyn> maybe ican hack it up as a patch on top of nemwail, in fact
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [I'm currently following this group to know if there is a port on a"new" phone... …], the reason is you haven't submitted PRs to integrate Tor support into the system
 @dohbee [the ubuntu push API is the same, but there is no longer a need to have an ubuntu …], Hmm, I used the pushnotification app from AppStore as a sample. It still uses push.ubports.com as forwarder.
 @FeketeZoli [Hmm, I used the pushnotification app from AppStore as a sample. It still uses pu …], yes, but that has no relation to the ubuntu one account
 @hallyn [dohbee - is there another example then, without account?], ther eis nothing special. you simply don't need to (and well, can't, because there is no longer a way to) add a u1 account on the device
[19:35] <hallyn> heh, or, sigh - i'm not developer enough to qualify to buy the pinephone :)  probably for the best.
[19:36] <hallyn> dohbee - oh, cool.  ok thx.
[19:36] <hallyn> yeah clearly that'l lbe better
[19:36] <hallyn> but this *is* working, so woot
 woohoo
 @dohbee [yes, but that has no relation to the ubuntu one account], Ok, then it's just a misunderstanding on my side. Thanks.
 ah i see @FeketeZoli you have named the variable `UBUNTU_ONE_URL` though it has nothing to do with U1 :)
 perhaps change it to `PUSH_URL` or something
 @dohbee [perhaps change it to PUSH_URL or something], Fine, thanks.
 since the pushclient example app response to error when registering token, it will do the right thing currently on both stable and rc/devel/edge
 [Edit] since the pushclient example app responds to error when registering token, it will do the right thing currently on both stable and rc/devel/edge
 Shameless plug incoming :^3
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/QwOV0jIM.png
[19:40] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> @dohbee [the reason is you haven't submitted PRs to integrate Tor support into the system], Ask for ... Dummy question,but what for? Log, compile, deploy, bundle, make an archive, diffuse this... without needing disrespectful, I'm not sure I need something to submit. Is it an Ubuntu ? If yes, I personnaly don't ask canonical if I c
[19:40] <ubptgbot> an build something on my arms ! Am I wrong ?
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [Ask for ... Dummy question,but what for? Log, compile, deploy, bundle, make an a …], no. UT is not a traditional PC linux distribution
 Uhhh oh boi
 and canonical has nothing to do with building/releasing UT these days
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> I know, I just want to //
 well if you know you're wrong, don't comment with questions and ending with "Am I wrong?" because well, you will get told you are wrong :P
[19:42] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> And in fact I'm using armbian 😁
 which also has nothing to do with UT
 What he means, dimitri, is they are not many devs, so anyone who want a new feature the devs can't take up now, are recommended to submit a PR :p
 Like the keyboard in the image xD
 what i mean is that on a phone you need proper integrations for managing the network and showing status in the system; and tor is neither private nor a priority
 [Edit] What he means, dimitri, is there are not many devs, so anyone who wants a new feature the devs can't take up now, are recommended to submit a PR :p
 so yes, it's not there because none of you who keep asking for it, are putting in the work to get it integrated
 It needs work and work needs hands xD
[19:46] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Sorry, my English is not perfect. I what to show the "parallel", I mean I don't have to ask on 'PC', and I what to know if I'm wrong if I suppose UBport work/manage like 'on PC'
 there are much bigger problems to solve with making phones work reliably
 no, as i said, UT (UBports is the community, Ubuntu Touch is the OS), is not a traditional PC linux distro. meaning, no, it does not function like one either
 it is designed to be more secure, and targeted to phones/tablets
 Aka many things people want will have to be integrated in a secure way
 By whoever has the time
[19:49] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> @dohbee, ok, I'm here to understand 😊 so not really possible to ssh and compile custom code ?
 It's quite nice :>  … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sPtRdZlEu4
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [@dohbee, ok, I'm here to understand 😊 so not really possible to ssh and compile …], that doesn't help other people use things
 You can ssh in and compile code, but it will be broken on updates
 @Fuseteam [You can ssh in and compile code, but it will be broken on updates], not necessarily
 [Edit] You can ssh in and compile code heck there's even a terminal, but it will be broken on updates
 But probably :p
[19:51] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> I don't want to do this only for me, I can diffuse of course, but it could be interesting to test. How do you do then ?
 you can build things in a chroot. you don't need to screw with rootfs to build things
 That's true too haha
 and cross-compiling on PC would be faster and not waste lots of writes to the flash
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [I don't want to do this only for me, I can diffuse of course, but it could be in …], I suppose you can check the repos where it would need to be integrated to?
[19:53] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Flash is, if I'm correct, for kernel and low level layer, not for applicativ one ?
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [I don't want to do this only for me, I can diffuse of course, but it could be in …], it depends. but network related things is one of the more complex things to work with.
 @dohbee [and cross-compiling on PC would be faster and not waste lots of writes to the fl …], That makes sense yeah
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [Flash is, if I'm correct, for kernel and low level layer, not for applicativ one …], i mean, the NAND/eMMC flash storage only has a limited number of writes it can handle. every write performed reduces the remaining amount of writes that can be done
 and tasks like compiling can be harsh
 So cross compiling is reccomended :3
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> I suppose network is the more complicated, and that's why i'm interested by a 'real hard' test. Curious about cnx api (iptables and route, ...) And traffic indeed by onions route
 @dohbee [it depends. but network related things is one of the more complex things to work …], Which repo would be a good starting point tho?
 for implementing tor specifically? i don't know
 one needs to start at the lower layer and work up, i would guess
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Arm branch on git ? But that's not the point : how application wil/can use it is the point. Polipo needed, ... All the env is to "build"
 @dohbee [one needs to start at the lower layer and work up, i would guess], I suppose this lower layer is spread accross a few repos?
 @Fuseteam [I suppose this lower layer is spread accross a few repos?], i don't know. i have never used tor, nor tried to integrate it into any systems
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [Arm branch on git ? But that's not the point : how application wil/can use it is …], Well yes but first you'll probably will need to know how network stuff work on ut
[19:59] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Totally right 😅
 I'd say the source code is a good starting point :p
 Appearantly for once rodney doesn't know a good starting point tho
 So that'll be the first hurdle
 Figure out where to start
 it has to integrate with network-manager though, at the lower level
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> It is possible on a desktop to build a net layer that reroute all to transparent proxy using iptables. Not sure iptables "exists" on ut
 @dohbee [it has to integrate with network-manager though, at the lower level], Sounds like that's our starting point :p
 @Dimitri BOUWYN [It is possible on a desktop to build a net layer that reroute all to transparent …], Pretty sure it does as a part of the  network-manager package
 Which ut gets from upstream
[20:04] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> Other solution is to "prepare"application to use your,by connecting to 9050. Like dojo.
 discussing implementation details in this group is mostly not useful though
 As it would get lost easily
 and it's a lot of noise
 *there's a lot of noise
 :^3
 The forums is probably a better place for discussing implementation details
[20:10] <ubptgbot> <Dimitri BOUWYN> 👍
 @FinlayDaG33k [It's quite nice :>  … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sPtRdZlEu4], Indeed the animations were nice :3
 it's also very straightforward really. … no real technical shit, which is nice.
 I guess, the revolution part was a bit much tho
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/aZfhOQ9f.webp
 that seems unnecessary
 who is that
 Yeah it is unnecessary
 Looks like de vil
 [Edit] Looks like cruella de vil
 I would love to know how do you use notes. … Please, vote here … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3134/notes-and-evernote-poll
[23:08] <ubptgbot> Dean32 was added by: Dean32
 hello good night can you use Ubuntu touch on the nexus 2012 wifi?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/2C80mOS0.png Stuck in Installation... Any solutions? It wait and wait and wait but nothing happend
 @Dean32 [hello good night can you use Ubuntu touch on the nexus 2012 wifi?], Unfortunately not, only the Nexus 7 2013.
 @snoerrdi710 [<reply to media>], There are many answers available in the Welcome group: https://t.me/WelcomePlus.  If no-one is around, try scrolling back to see the suggestions there.
 @imraniqbal [Unfortunately not, only the Nexus 7 2013.], Ok thank you it cost me money in your day and was abandoned too quickly and there is no way to use it
 @Dean32 [Ok thank you it cost me money in your day and was abandoned too quickly and ther …], Yes, apparently it doesn't even work too well with Android on it...
 It works very badly and takes a long time to turn on, tomorrow I will try a nexus 4
[23:37] <hallyn> FeketeZoli: thanks much for your facebook notifier!  based on it i'm now using https://github.com/hallyn/pynewmail-ut
 @imraniqbal [There are many answers available in the Welcome group: https://t.me/WelcomePlus. …], Thanks
 @hallyn [FeketeZoli: thanks much for your facebook notifier!  based on it i'm now using h …], By the way, are you using standard `mutt` or `neomutt`?
[23:39] <hallyn> standard mutt
[23:39] <hallyn> one day i'll check out newomutt
[23:39] <hallyn> i hear it has nice notmuch integration
 I hope that in the future Ubuntu touch can be used on some Xiaomi device, thanks for your help
 Ah, I'm going to need to make some time to try to compile `neomutt`.
 @Dean32 [I hope that in the future Ubuntu touch can be used on some Xiaomi device, thanks …], You're welcome, the N4 should work out fine.
 @hallyn [i hear it has nice notmuch integration], Excellent, I've been using it for a long time now.
[23:40] <hallyn> make a blog post or asciicinema showing how easy it is :)
 I wish!
 (Sticker, 512x465) https://irc.ubports.com/GyDVwlIk.webp