[00:42] <texla> How to activate numlockx at login Ubuntu-Mate 19.04
[00:50] <Jerbo> texla: have you looked at this suggestion?  https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/activate-numlockx-in-ubuntu-mate-19-04/20205
[00:52] <texla> Jerbo, Yes I have a copy from mdooley
[00:53] <Jerbo> Ok, No problem.
[00:53] <texla> Jerbo, Thanks for offering the suggestion
[00:55] <CarlFK> where does apt cache the debs it downloads?
[00:55] <CarlFK> I have 3 disks, I need to find the one that has cec-client installed on it
[01:00] <tomreyn> CarlFK: /var/lib/apt/
[01:00] <Bashing-om> CarlFK: The package cache is in /var/cache/apt/archives .
[01:12] <akemlenovo> Can we have a kernel update without knowing about it? and the old one being removed automaticly?
[01:13] <akemlenovo> On LTS. Like, after an automatic update, you reboot and it's a new kernel.
[01:16] <Bashing-om> akemlenovo: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels#Configure_Unattended_Upgrades_to_Remove_Unneeded_Kernels_Automatically
[01:18] <akemlenovo> Bashing-om, Ok, so by default it does not removes.
[01:18] <akemlenovo> Thanks.
[01:20] <Bashing-om> akemlenovo: I do things manually so I have no hands on here - but I "think" autoremove is now the default ?
[01:24] <akemlenovo> I see, maybe my kernel was updated then and i didn't know about it. I wonder about this cause i've installed a DKMS package at some point and i'm not sure it was still effective...so i tried to look around but i'm still not sure of anything.
[01:30] <Bashing-om> akemlenovo: The types of updates you can do automatically are set by /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades .
[01:32] <akemlenovo> Bashing-om, yeah, i had a look over there.
[01:33] <akemlenovo> I'll start my other machine to see what kernel it is using :P
[01:34] <Bashing-om> akemlenovo: ' sudo dkms status ' I expect will tell the tale.
[02:09] <jeffrey_f> Question: Just did a fresh install.  It asked me something about landscape and not thinking I selected that.  What should I have selected?  If I was wrong, how to fix it......
[02:11] <tomreyn> landscape is a service offering by canonical for managing (multiple) servers.
[02:12] <tomreyn> you can install the package of this name later on and still make use of it.
[02:14] <jeffrey_f> tomreyn, Thats the thing.  I think I have it because I selected landscape to manage me server.  I wanted the other local service similar to landscape but is just for and on this machine
[02:15] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what "the other local service similar to landscape" would be.
[02:19] <jeffrey_f> Unfortunately, me neither.
[03:21] <serverok> xfce keyboard settings only show english layout, do i need to install some package to enable non english language ?
[03:27] <jamie_1> so right now im working on my asus zenbook q504u and i have not touchpad functionaliy. right now when i run either a cat /proc/bus/input/devices or xinput list   there is no list for any sort of pointing devices minus my digitizer, any suggetsion? i have already tried several stable kernals and even tried 5.3 to no avail
[03:39] <WaV> I've got /dev/disk/by-uuid/UUID12345 /mnt/Windows auto rw,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0 in my fstab. How would I also mount /mnt/Windows/Users/username/Music to /home/username/Music on boot as well?
[03:46] <serverok> Can anyone help with XFCE can't add keyboard layout -> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2427090
[03:54] <serverok> @WaV you can create a symlink to  /mnt/Windows/Users/username/Music
[03:54] <WaV> That's what I ended up doing. Thank you :)
[03:55] <WaV> Just got my bran new laptop today. First thing I did was install Ubuntu.
[04:38] <neildugan> hello I have this line in my '/etc/sudoers' file "client ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/zfs,/sbin/zpool" but when logged in as client the command "sudo /sbin/zpool status" ask for a password!  what am I doing wrong?
[04:58] <plain-user> Hi! What would be the most troublefree desktop environment to use with the latest LTS (18.04?) release please? Making a laptop for a friend that is not very tech, yet converting them from Windows, so needs traditional taskbars...
[05:07] <phillipsjk> How can I be a google front-end if they just leave?
[05:54] <unleaded> Hi, I've got a question regarding Ubuntu upgrades. I'm considering switching to it simply because most things are packaged as .deb and 19.10 seems like a promising release. Anyways, question is: How reliable are ubuntu upgrades (eg: 19.04 -> 19.10)
[05:55] <unleaded> Fedora is pretty rock solid when it comes to dist upgrades, and I was wondering how Ubuntu compares.
[05:56] <EriC^^> unleaded: it really depends on how many ppa's and external mods you've done
[05:57] <EriC^^> more ppa's more prone to breakage
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> unleaded: its also not reccomended to upgrade to 19.10 yet, await final release first
[05:58] <unleaded> I see. There happens to be a lot of software already in the repos but ppas... yeah.
[05:59] <unleaded> lotuspsychje: I'd imagine so. That said, I upgraded to unreleased F31 a few days ago :D
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> unleaded: sure, its the users choice of course, but we advice on daily dev releases, to help testing clean install
[06:01] <unleaded> Yeah, fair enough.
[06:02] <unleaded> Seems like the logical way to do things. After all, most people will be upgrading to stable or doing a fresh install.
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> upgrades are done alot too, when they are ready to go
[06:04] <unleaded> That's good. I have a ubuntu VM and I will like to try and run a stable upgrade one day. I had bad experience with a very old Ubuntu in the past (12.10 -> 13.04 I think)... Then again, I was less experienced
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> upgrades & backups always are a good match
[06:05] <unleaded> Agreed.
[06:37] <bartje> hello everyone, quick question: how do I edit an online account in Gnome? Clicking on my online accounts only shows me the option to remove it.. I want to edit the outgoing server of one of my accounts, but there is no 'edit' or 'change' option...
[06:44] <EriC^^> bartje: it looks like it's not possible unless you edit the config file in your home dir manually
[06:45] <bartje> EriC^^: I have found a bugreport from 2016.. 3 years and no change for something as basic as this? really weird..
[06:46] <bartje> so nobody changes settings and needs this?
[06:49] <bartje> I don't have the time to search for config files... gonna solve this later
[08:05] <CarlFK> sudo apt policy mosquitto shows 1.4.15-0mosquitto4  - how do I install that version?
[08:05] <CarlFK> (i need a 1.4.x)
[08:06] <CarlFK> sudo apt install mosquitto=1.4.15 shows E: Version '1.4.15' for 'mosquitto' was not found
[08:10] <doug16k> can you find a deb file of that specific version somewhere? I've done it by getting a deb and doing dpkg -i whatever.deb
[08:11] <doug16k> not sure if there is a better way though
[08:12] <doug16k> example: https://pkgs.org/download/mosquitto
[08:13] <doug16k> it's there under ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[08:13] <doug16k> CarlFK, ^
[08:14] <deanc> how i can get my ubuntu terminal to send a notification (doesnt matter what it says) when there is a terminal beep
[08:14] <deanc> iterm2 does this out the box on osx
[08:22] <sarnold> CarlFK: what's wrong with 'apt install mosquitto'?
[08:22] <sarnold> deanc: what terminal are you using?
[08:23] <deanc> stock termianl on ubuntu sarnold
[08:33] <TomyWork> what happened to https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/python-kde4
[08:33] <TomyWork> was it replaced by another package or simply removed?
[08:35] <TomyWork> I can't find it in bionic anymore
[08:37] <TomyWork> ah it's maintained by kubuntu maintainers, i'll move my question there
[08:41] <Etua> Hello, I encounter problems that prevent me from using any USB ports but one because of power loss and I started to make changes described in https://askubuntu.com/questions/772056/keyboard-stops-working-ubuntu-16-04 I already tried the first bullet point and SOLUTION 1 from the bottom of the file and I did not help but after plugging my keyboard I see this: termbin.com/jboa in my DMESG. Is it anything meaningfull in my situation?
[08:49] <doug16k> Etua, did you run `sudo update-grub` after adding usbcore.autosuspend=-1 to /etc/default/grub?
[08:49] <doug16k> I skimmed the link you provided and it didn't seem to mention that bit
[08:50] <Etua> doug16k: I did that and I have rebooted computer as well
[08:58] <Etua> I observed one more thing: when I connect the USB Receiver to one of the USB ports that do not work it is properly established with product and manufacturer showing up in the DMESG but still it does not allow me to use it.
[09:00] <CarlFK> sarnold: that gets me 1.6 which doesn't work for me
[09:00] <sarnold> CarlFK: ah. why not?
[09:00] <CarlFK> it changed :p\
[09:01] <sarnold> CarlFK: it'd be worth a bug report, I believe roger light does pay attention to the bugs
[09:02] <sarnold> CarlFK: and you say apt policy shows a 1.4 version as well?? that's surprising.. normally jumps of that scale don't happen.. what ubuntu release are you running?
[09:02] <CarlFK> doug16k: super cool, but no armhf (for pi)
[09:02] <CarlFK> doug16k: I did find a .deb - wget.. dpkg, that seemed to work
[09:02] <sarnold> I don't see any release that has two versions published.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mosquitto
[09:03] <CarlFK> sarnold: I added and old repo, that I found  on mosquitto docs
[09:04] <sweb> how can i download lunchpad gpg key ?
[09:04] <sweb> instead of using apt-add-repository i want to download just public key \
[09:05] <sarnold> sweb: you can try gpg --recv-key on the fingerprint you want, we've got a few fingerprints documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#GPG_Keys_used_by_Ubuntu
[09:06] <sarnold> CarlFK: ah. gambling then. :) alright..
[09:06] <sarnold> CarlFK: you can try apt-get install mosquitto=1.4.15-0mosquitto4
[09:06] <CarlFK> sarnold: big time.  1/2 debugging, trying to make sure the current ver is the problem
[09:07] <sweb> sarnold: i cant see any about download public key
[09:07] <rud0lf> hello... this is my end of boot screen on my box: https://pub.leopard.ovh/boot.jpg ... is there a way to list the same messages since current boot in GUI terminal window? i mean with [ OK ] [ FAIL ] etc... i guess it's something with dmesg or journalctl?
[09:44] <Etua> After connecting mouse to a USB hub with external power it started to work. Now the question is why Windows allows for such power consumption(?) while Linux shuts the device down.
[09:47] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[09:47] <raddy> Which is more system resource hungry? Vanilla Gnome Desktop or Ubuntu Desktop ?
[09:49] <raddy> Or which is light weight desktop ?
[09:51] <sonOfRa> Since both are gnome and just differently themed, I would expect there to be no real discernible difference
[09:53] <raddy> Ohhh okk
[09:53] <raddy> I am coming to find that KDE is lighter
[09:55] <raver> > Ohhh okk
[09:55] <raver> > I am coming to find that KDE is lighter
[09:55] <raver> I would say the opposite,  using Ubuntu mate by the way. I really like Mate desktop, in my opinion the eight balance between performance and usability
[10:13] <Iarla> Does anyone know of an application like Synalyze It! for Ubuntu? It's for making sense of binary files: https://corgibytes.com/blog/2017/03/28/unlocking-beauty-patters-binary-data/
[10:13] <sarnold> 404
[10:14] <Iarla> Sorry: https://corgibytes.com/blog/2017/03/28/unlocking-beauty-patterns-binary-data/
[10:14] <sarnold> this is neat http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2016/02/say-hello-to-afl-analyze.html
[10:14] <Iarla> As you figure out what certain blocks of the binary file are, you can leave them marked out. As well as define the header / footer areal
[10:14] <sarnold> dunno if it's what you're after :)
[10:17] <Iarla> sarnold: that looks good, thank you! :)
[10:18] <sarnold> Iarla: I don't know if htis is packaged yet or not, but it sure looks COOL https://ghidra-sre.org/
[10:23] <Iarla> sarnold: that does look very interesting. In my case, it's a binary that's saved by an 80's tracker music application :) But the principle's they use might still reveal some structure.
[10:23] <sarnold> woot
[10:30] <Iarla> afl-analyze is supposed to be provided by afl package on 16.04. After I install, no binary for it though. https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/disco/en/man1/afl-analyze.1.html
[11:03] <cybervizay> join #india
[11:03] <cybervizay> Sorry, missed the command, Please ignore
[11:04] <Iarla> The .deb on launchpad gave me the afl-analyze binary. Disregard previous message :)
[11:17] <mystic> trying to open a rar file on linux?  shall i just go bac kto windows once again or can somone please tell me an archive manager that actually works ?
[11:20] <rud0lf> open or unpack?
[11:20] <rud0lf> mystic?
[11:20] <mystic> its a rar.   i dont know.,  wahtever i try doesnt work
[11:20] <mystic> in all three programs
[11:20] <rud0lf> "unrar" is fine
[11:21] <mystic> nothing works
[11:21] <rud0lf> describe "don't work" please, it sometimes matters _how_ the program doesn't work
[11:21] <mystic> 'an error occured while loading the archive'
[11:22] <mystic> other program sauys 'no suitable plug in found'
[11:23] <mystic> linux just doesnt support enough rar formats
[11:23] <mystic> windwos will open  this instantly
[11:23] <mystic> 4 programs ive tried now... and nothing
[11:24] <mystic> off to windwos again... a need to do actually something so back to windwos as usual.  ciao
[11:25] <elias_a> :) Complaining is essential!
[11:25] <mystic> it is..  might inspire people to get of their asses and fix things instead or prtending its all great
[11:26] <elias_a> mystic: Please explain what your problem is. Name the program(s) you have tried.
[11:26] <mystic> ive doen that allraedy... tried all the programs i can find
[11:27] <mystic> of to windows.. saves time.. linux is great if you like wastign your time and enjoy that as a hobby
[11:27] <elias_a> mystic: Oh - come on. Go away if you cannot behave.
[11:27] <mystic> about time linux behaved instead of costing me my time
[11:27] <mystic> cya
[11:28] <elias_a> mystic: Please don't come back.
[11:29] <rud0lf> rar is proprietary, isn't it?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:35] <s0rcerer> extracing rars is easy
[11:35] <JimBuntu> yes rud0lf, it is proprietary
[11:35] <s0rcerer> unrar e file.rar
[11:36] <s0rcerer> ive never had any problems *shrugs*]
[11:36] <rud0lf> in my perfect world, there's no proprietary file formats, only some programs using these are proprietary
[11:37] <JimBuntu> s0rcerer, it may have been compressed using a newer RAR format that may not be backward compatible with their unrar.
[11:37] <s0rcerer> or his file is corrupted also
[11:41] <CoolerX> I get an error when I do ssh-add -l
[11:41] <CoolerX> Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
[11:41] <CoolerX> even though when I do ps aux
[11:42] <CoolerX> user       134  0.0  0.0  13408   732 ?        Ss   15:48   0:00 ssh-agent -s
[11:42] <CoolerX> r
[11:42] <CoolerX> what is going on? why can't it find it
[11:45] <Lantorax> are you trying to close it? sudo kill -9 134
[11:45] <CoolerX> Lantorax, no
[11:45] <Lantorax> probably dont need sudo if user is your user
[11:45] <CoolerX> I am trying to ssh-add -l
[11:47] <Lantorax> what happens when you use ssh-add
[11:47] <Lantorax> without the flag
[11:47] <CoolerX> Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
[11:47] <Lantorax> or does it say anything when you do ssh-add -l?
[11:47] <Lantorax> that means you don't have any
[11:47] <Lantorax> mm
[11:48] <Lantorax> no I can do it on my end with a box that has no identities. It does list 'The agent has no identities' except for when I try it as root. Root access gives me 'could not open a connection to your authentication agent'
[11:58] <benne> hi cansomeone help me configure apache to handle subdomains??
[11:59] <Ascavasaion> benne, Maybe try joining #apache
[12:01] <sarnold> or saying where you're stuck, pastebin your config changes, what errors you get in your serve rlogs, etc
[12:04] <benne> hi cansomeone help me configure apache to handle subdomains??https://pastebin.com/TAcCHZFY
[12:06] <tds> benne - take a look at https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/examples.html - you probably want your virtualhosts to just be defined for *:80, then set the hostname the vhost is serving as the servername
[12:07] <sarnold> benne: I believe the 'servername' part of your configurations are giving you trouble: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/name-based.html#alg
[12:07] <benne> tds, is hostname the name of the server?
[12:08] <tds> no, you'd probably want eg ServerName itföralla.nu for the virst vhost and ServerName nextcloud.itföralla.nu for the second one
[12:08] <tds> also, you shouldn't need an include like that - everything in sites-enabled should be automatically included for you
[12:11] <benne> tds, when i open www.itföralla.nu the /var/www/html/index.html opens up not /nextcloud or /itföralla like ive configured
[12:11] <tds> what's the output of `apache2ctl -S`?
[12:11] <benne> sep 18 14:09:59 ubuntu apachectl[11672]: [Wed Sep 18 14:09:59.837728 2019] [core:error] [pid 11690] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: AH00547: Could not resolve host name itf\xc3\xb6ralla.nu -- ignoring!
[12:12] <tds> keep in mind that www. is an entirely separate hostname, you probably want to set it as a ServerAlias if you want that to match a specific vhost
[12:13] <benne> i made an misstake saying www i use this url http://nextcloud.itföralla.nu/ or http://itföralla.nu/
[12:19] <benne> tds,
[12:19] <benne> i made an misstake saying www i use this url http://nextcloud.itföralla.nu/ or http://itföralla.nu/
[12:20] <tds> ok - i'd still like to see apache2ctl -S output
[12:20] <tds> that should let you know what vhosts you actually have configured
[12:22] <benne> tds, heres the output: https://pastebin.com/w3hqLJWa
[12:22] <tds> that's missing all your virtualhosts
[12:23] <tds> did you fix your virtualhost declarations so they use *:80 rather than the full hostname?
[12:23] <benne> tds <VirtualHost itföralla.nu:80>
[12:24] <tds> make that *:80 unless you've got a very good reason not to :)
[12:25] <benne> but you just said not to uuse wildcard didnt you?
[12:26] <benne> oh i reasd it wrong sru
[12:32] <giaco> is "kickstart" the official tools for unattended Ubuntu server installation?
[12:56] <Etua> sarnold: The solution to my problem turned out to be enabling IOMMU as in https://askubuntu.com/questions/1111732/how-can-i-restore-usb-2-0-functionality-after-upgrade-to-ubuntu-18-10
[12:59] <sarnold> Etua: whaaaaaaaaat. crazy. normally turning that on exposes crappy drivers :)
[13:11] <SirScott> hi, i've got your basic router setup on ubuntu 18.04 LTS.  One interface for WAN (dhcp), one for LAN (static, running dhcpd and bind9).  A problem I'm having is that the WAN lost carrier so it tries to re-establish, but winds up getting its DHCP request answered by the LAN: https://bpaste.net/show/NqnF
[13:11] <SirScott> Is this a configuration problem with my interface setup, the dhcp server, or something else?
[13:31] <julius_> when installing mutt it also installs postfix, why is that?
[13:35] <EriC^> julius_: Recommends: default-mta | mail-transport-agent
[13:36] <EriC^> "apt-cache show mutt"
[13:40] <julius_> EriC^ah ok
[13:40] <julius_> i removed postfix after it was installed by mutt, did i now kill my local email delivering for system users?
[13:42] <julius_> or maybe a better question, how does ubuntu deliver mail anyway when theres no mta?
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> julius_: That might be a set of questions better answered by the #ubuntu-server channel
[14:26] <doev> Hi. I am trying to connect postgres over gssapi with our windows domain. But when I try to login to postgres (with domain users) I get the error: GSSAPI continuation error: Server not found in Kerberos database ... Any ideas?
[14:51] <Mondo> I think I've screwed up my installation. Double-click doesn't open things; wallpaper can't be changed; and other annoyances. Can I reinstall in-place?
[14:55] <tomreyn> Mondo: create a new user account with administrative permissions, log out and login as the new user. does the GUI work fine therE?
[14:56] <Mondo> Haven't tried that.
[14:56] <tomreyn> if the gui works fine with the second user account you have proven that the issue is with the data in the home directory of the original user, and that a reinstallation will not solve it.
[14:58] <tomreyn> if the same issues occur there, i would suggest you reinstall the *ubuntu*-desktop metapackage for your flavour.
[14:59] <Mondo> Creating new user, there doesn't seem to be a way to set admin in the gui
[15:00] <Mondo> Lots of check boxes in the advanced section. Do I just select all of them?
[15:00] <tomreyn> i don't even know which ubuntu version or flavour you're using
[15:00] <Mondo> Sorry. Studio v8.10
[15:01] <sarnold> a release from 11 years ago?
[15:01] <OerHeks> 18.10 ??
[15:01] <Mondo> 18.10
[15:01] <Mondo> :(
[15:01] <tomreyn> !eol | Mondo
[15:01] <Mondo> It's an LTS
[15:02] <tomreyn> no it's not.
[15:02] <tomreyn> 18.10 had 9 months of support
[15:02] <tomreyn> oh wait
[15:02] <tomreyn> sorry, i'm time trvelling
[15:02] <sarnold> aha, 18.10 has only been out of support for two months
[15:03] <Mondo> np
[15:03] <tomreyn> but yes, actually it's october 2018 + 9 months
[15:03] <Mondo> Sorry again. 18.04 (Beaver)
[15:04] <Mondo> Had to check. Need more coffee!
[15:04] <tomreyn> oh ok, this had 9 months of official support for studio
[15:04] <tomreyn> but with the PPA you can extend community support to 2021-04
[15:04] <tomreyn> http://ubuntustudio.org/2019/04/ubuntu-studio-18-04-extended-support/
[15:05] <Mondo> I have back ports
[15:05] <tomreyn> good.
[15:06] <tomreyn> so i don't know their GUI very well, but you can use   sudo adduser newlycreateduser sudo
[15:07] <tomreyn> this will grant "newlycreateduser" (change this in the command line above to match the new user account you just added) sudo privileges.
[15:08] <Mondo> Ah! Forgot about sudoers group.
[15:09] <tomreyn> it's not strictly needed for the test, but may make your life easier if the graphical desktop works properly for the newly created user account.
[15:10] <Mondo> Alright. I've created the new user and added it to sudoers. I'll go check it now. Thanks. (BRB)
[15:13] <daedeloth> hi! I'm making my first steps in snaps. I am able to build them and I also seem to be able to mount them with 'snapcraft try', and I can start it from /snap/myapp/bin but my app is not added to /snap/bin
[15:18] <Mondo> New user works better; double-click, wallpaper, etc. But can't see all the drives and can't browse the network.
[15:21] <Mondo> Damn... just found that I can't browse the network, either! :'(
[15:25] <akemlenovo_> Mondo, that's the only issue left on this new user account, you can't browse the network?
[15:25] <Mondo> Also, 18.04 is LTS (w/ back ports). But, I'm thinking that I'd like to goto 19.04. But, how to upgrade at EOL? I can't even do this ver!
[15:26] <Mondo> Perhaps I should wipe and start over? It's a recent install, so np with that.
[15:27] <kek_> hi
[15:28] <Mondo> Yes, @akemlenovo. But, I've screwed that up on my account, also.
[15:28] <akemlenovo_> Mondo, i would just backup the home directory of the faulty user, then removes it, and then recreate a clean one with the same name. But that won't solve the network issue which is something different. It's an option.
[15:28] <kek_> "Sep 18 06:43:32 mysystem systemd[1]: Reloading." what exactly does that mean? Reloading what?
[15:29] <tomreyn> !studio | Mondo
[15:29] <Mondo> Yes, that's my home page.
[15:30] <Mondo> Install is ok, but no docs on upgrading inplace.
[15:30] <tomreyn> kek_: systemd has reloaded (probably as the result of receiving a SIGHUP signal 1)
[15:31] <Mondo> @akemlenovo, If I can't see the other system drives how am I going to restore my backup?
[15:31] <tomreyn> kek_: this would usually hapen when apt installed an update for systemd
[15:32] <tomreyn> Mondo: try this: sudo apt update && sudo apt install ubuntustudio-desktop
[15:33] <B|ack0p> is it just desktop manager?
[15:33] <tomreyn> Mondo: also, be sure to    /join #ubuntustudio    for ubuntu studio related questions
[15:34] <tomreyn> s/related/specific/, we do support it here, too.
[15:34] <Mondo> This seems to be OS stuff. Not studio related.
[15:34] <akemlenovo_> Mondo, try to ping the localnet machines see if they are reachable.
[15:35] <Mondo> kk
[15:35] <akemlenovo_> Also you can try to browse network from Nemo, see if you see the machines from there.
[15:36] <akemlenovo_> Cause i guess you are using Nautilus. Just to confirm it doesn't work in both.
[15:36] <kek_> tomreyn, ok thanks gonan read a bit now
[15:40] <Mondo> Ping'd a couple of systems and they're resopnding
[15:42] <akemlenovo_> Mondo, can you try both Nautilus and Nemo, and confirm none works for networks?
[15:44] <akemlenovo_> Mondo: try to put a network location in the address bar of Nautilus or Nemo like that: smb://192.168.1.10/
[15:44] <Mondo> Ok
[15:44] <akemlenovo_> Change the IP to one of yours.
[15:44] <akemlenovo_> And see if it displays the shares.
[15:45] <giaco> what is the idea behind naming interfaces like enp4s1 instead of good old eth0?
[15:45] <newdimension> Ubuntu 19.04 running on VM: On each boot I get the grub menu. How can I troubleshoot this?
[15:45] <OerHeks> "predictable interface naming" is the answer, giaco
[15:45] <Mondo> Nautilus doesn't have an address bar; just "buttons"
[15:46] <akemlenovo_> Mondo, do ctrl+l i think to display the address bar. Or try with Nemo.
[15:46] <Mondo> Installing Nemo now
[15:46] <doug16k> giaco, I have a quad port nic, enp7s0f0, enp7s0f1, enp7s0f2, enp7s0f3, and another single port, enp4s0
[15:46] <giaco> OerHeks: and why I am looking for how to revert to eth0 for having a predictable interface naming?
[15:46] <doug16k> that quad port wouldn't be obvoius at all if named eth*
[15:47] <OerHeks> giaco, you tell us? there is a way to reverse that, you better get used to it.
[15:48] <giaco> doug16k: I am setting up a KickStart install script to unsupervisioned ubuntu server installation. It wants me to set a interface name before even starting up the machine
[15:48] <giaco> is there a kernel boot option to disable it?
[15:49] <OerHeks> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[15:50] <Mondo> Nemo: "Unable to mount location" / nautilus (smb://): "something went wrong". Both say failed to retrieve share list from server.
[15:52] <Mondo> However, both can see system drives BTW
[15:55] <giaco> So for "predictable" means: start the machine, boot OS, read the given name, reboot, format with unsupevised script
[15:56] <OerHeks> 1st adapter in the 1st slot gets assigned first, basicly
[15:56] <OerHeks> this solution is a breeze for clusters/services
[15:58] <akemlenovo_> Mondo, Not sure what it is, i would try to reboot both machines...to get a clean start, and see if there is still the error, then you can run Nemo from the terminal, it may display more informations about the error, it could also be some permission issue. Sometimes i have mounting errors on smb but i don't know why.
[15:59] <akemlenovo_> You can also try Nemo as root after the clean reboot...if it's about permissions issue, cause i'm a bit out of ideas.
[15:59] <Mondo> OK. Thanks.
[16:39] <glitchd> i just built a new system and i want to clone the install from my old system to a new hard drive so i can take the old hard drive and put it in my new system, how would i go about this if the new hard drive is going to be considerably smaller than the old one?
[16:41] <doug16k> glitchd, resize the partition to be small enough to fit on the new drive, make a partition on the new drive that is the same size as the source one, dd it from the old partition to the new partition
[16:41] <SimonNL_Afk> akemlenovo_: could Mondo s issue be related to whats discribed in linuxmint release notes for mint 19.2  ubuntu 18.04
[16:41] <doug16k> glitchd, gparted can resize it easily
[16:42] <glitchd> doug16k, sounds simple enough, thank you for the quick answer.
[16:42] <doug16k> be sure to backup important things, just in case
[16:42] <glitchd> yea, the system is just set up the exact way i want it and i dont want to go thru setting a new system up again, thats why im looking at cloning it.
[16:43] <tomreyn> also redo uuids afterwards
[16:44] <BluesKaj> glitchd, lets hope the HW drivers will work on the new system
[16:46] <akemlenovo_> SimonNL, Yes maybe, good catch. But he's not there anymore. However i use like 3 Ubuntus 18.04, running smbd and also some Windows 10 machines, and i didn't get into this.
[16:47] <MJCD> is there some super simple way to get a vpn server set up really easily ?
[16:47] <tomreyn> no
[16:47] <doug16k> lol
[16:47] <MJCD> I saw openvpn but it seemed quite convoluted
[16:47] <MJCD> like all it needs to do is run certbot
[16:48] <MJCD> and do <networking things>
[16:48] <doug16k> tomreyn, +1 for brutal honesty
[16:50]  * doug16k realizes that badblocks of 4TB @ 22MB/s == 46 days D:
[16:51] <DArqueBishop> My experience was that OpenVPN was probably the easiest of the VPN servers I set up when I first migrated years upon years ago. It helps to read the HOWTO thoroughly before you start.
[16:51] <MJCD> DArqueBishop, is it possible i'm "missing something"
[16:51] <MJCD> I should probably just find a guide for that
[16:51] <DArqueBishop> https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/HOWTO
[16:52] <MJCD> tyvm
[16:52] <EriC^> doug16k: more like 2 days
[16:52] <tomreyn> wireguard should make it easier once it is considered production ready.
[16:52] <DArqueBishop> ... but to be fair, you do need some networking knowledge to get it working. That's going to be true of any VPN server.
[16:52] <doug16k> EriC^, yes thank you, 2.104 days
[16:53] <doug16k> is there a way to send a signal to badblocks to make it print its progress? like dd's sigusr1 thing?
[16:54] <EriC^> doug16k: i think it has a built in progress meter but you'd have to restart it
[16:55] <tomreyn> -s
[16:55] <doug16k> I passed -v but it's just sitting there saying "Testing with random pattern: _"
[16:55] <doug16k> ah ok thanks
[16:58] <EriC^> doug16k: 22mb/s seems kind of slow, how's the hard disk connected
[16:59] <tomreyn> doug16k: if you have to deal with the badblocks command it usually means your disk is beyond recovery and needs replacement. make sure you check !smart data, too
[16:59] <doug16k> external 4TB WD passport 5400 rpm
[16:59] <doug16k> usb3
[16:59] <EriC^> what exactly does badblocks do, just read blocks?
[16:59] <doug16k> can, or you can do non-destructive or destructive read/write test
[16:59] <EriC^> usb3 should do around 90mb/s i guess
[17:00] <doug16k> yes it goes over 100MB/s but badblocks is probably causing a lot of rotational delays between I/Os
[17:00] <doug16k> it'd be flushing I/Os if it isn't utterly useless
[17:01] <tomreyn> and this disk can be SMR
[17:03] <jarnos> I wonder why update-manager does not show the updates that "apt list --upgradable" shows?
[17:03] <doug16k> doing `sudo badblocks -v -b 4096 -c 16384 -n /dev/sdc`, so, 64MB per iteration if I understand -c and -b correctly
[17:05] <tomreyn> jarnos: update-manager will suggest updates according to what's configured on software-properties-gtk --open-tab=2
[17:05] <tomreyn> (exceptions apply due to bugs)
[17:07] <jarnos> tomreyn, I have checked the all three, but update-manager does not show the updates available from bionic-updates.
[17:07] <glitchd> BluesKaj, i guess i wont know until i just get on with it and do it, huh?
[17:08] <ioria> jarnos, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Phasing
[17:08] <jarnos> tomreyn, instead, update manager tells I should restart
[17:08] <doug16k> tomreyn, this crap WD passport has no smart support, and I routinely do a full surface scan of my drives, especially externals. I got spooked by a couple of dmesg errors but I realized later it was just harmlessly not supporting SCSI "write-same" command
[17:09] <BluesKaj> glitchd, another option is to do a clean install on the new system then transfer your data files over afterwards
[17:09] <glitchd> BluesKaj, the new system has less components than the old system had
[17:09] <EriC^> jarnos: probably something updated earlier that needs a restart so it's showing that, once you restart it'll prompt for the new stuff
[17:09] <doug16k> impressed that linux even bothers to optimize I/Os with write-same
[17:09] <BluesKaj> glitchd, different hardware needs different drivers
[17:10] <jarnos> ioria, oh, I see.
[17:10] <ioria> jarnos, ls /var/run/reboot-required
[17:10] <glitchd> BluesKaj, the old system had wifi and bluetooth but no real graphics card besides the built in graphics. the new system (desktop has no wifi or bluetooth but does indeed have a decent 8gb graphics card
[17:12] <BluesKaj> glitchd, yes , but are the gpus on both systems the same ?
[17:12] <glitchd> BluesKaj, yes i understand that completely, but wouldnt just a simple update make it scan the system for changes and running the aditional drivers from the software&updates box scan for new hardware and new drivers for that new hardware?
[17:13] <glitchd> BluesKaj, no, the laptop has built in graphics, and the desktop has an 8gb graphics card
[17:13] <jarnos> ioria, hmm. "cat /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs" prints "linux-base"
[17:13] <ioria> jarnos, wha'ts your kerne ? uname -r
[17:14] <ioria> jarnos, what's your kernel ? uname -r
[17:14] <tomreyn> doug16k: try: smartctl -d sat,12 -T permissive -a /dev/XXX
[17:14] <jarnos> ioria, 4.15.0-62-generic, I recently installed a new one, so I suppose that is why I should reboot.
[17:14]  * BluesKaj shrugs, glitchd seems you're determined to try dd , so be my guest :-)
[17:15] <ioria> jarnos, exactly
[17:15] <glitchd> BluesKaj, lol thx bud
[17:15] <glitchd> BluesKaj, im mainly after the 4tb drive in the laptop, but want the laptop to still be functional without having to go thru setting up a new system. ya know?
[17:16] <doug16k> tomreyn, nice! that got the smart data
[17:16] <tomreyn> https://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/Supported_USB-Devices#idVendor0x1000
[17:16] <tomreyn> doug16k: ^ find your disk there, then use the options listed.
[17:17] <doug16k> now I can just run an extended self test instead of 2 days badblocks
[17:17] <tomreyn> "-T permissive" ignores critical errors, so you don't want this, if possible.
[17:18] <tomreyn> "lsusb" to identify the device
[17:18] <CQ> helllo, I ust updated to disco from LTS and am getting the Session Failed To Start message. I am using lightdm, and have reinstalled xfce4-session and kubuntu-session already... any other ideas?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> glitchd, just giving some words of caution, that's all...don't be surprised if the new system has issues
[17:19] <glitchd> BluesKaj, gotcha, thx.
[17:19] <tomreyn> !disco | CQ
[17:19] <tomreyn> !lts | CQ
[17:19] <doug16k> was pissed off at WD for apparently not implementing SMART. glad it was just operator error / smartctl thing
[17:20] <CQ> tomreyn yes, I know that. I came from LTS / Bionic
[17:21] <tomreyn> CQ: sorry, i read you wrong. thought you had written that you "updated FROM disco to LTS"
[17:21] <tomreyn> !xauthority | CQ
[17:22] <tomreyn> CQ: which graphical desktop are you trying to use there?
[17:23] <CQ> I want to use KDE ... .Xauthority is U:G me, and 600 perms
[17:24] <EriC^> CQ: try launching just xorg from a tty "DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm"
[17:24] <CQ> running startx from a console works fine.
[17:25] <CQ> Then I cant open terminal sessions etc. though, anything launched via xfce4 ... that seems to be the default when running startx
[17:26] <CQ> can I force a reinstall of all of xfce4? and kde?
[17:26] <tomreyn> you can make sure the right packages are installed: apt install kubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[17:27] <CQ> ok, now I at least get the option to choose between plasma and xfce, but still get the "Failed to start session"
[17:27] <CQ> something is weird withthe networking too... ping 8.8.8.8 doesn't work untill I manually start dhclient on the interface
[17:28] <doug16k> EriC^, actually, your estimate was remarkably accurate. did quick dd bench: 3586129920 bytes (3.6 GB, 3.3 GiB) copied, 40.0162 s, 89.6 MB/s
[17:28] <EriC^> CQ: "apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop | awk '/Depends/ {print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get install --reinstall -y" should cover some ground
[17:28] <tomreyn> reinstalling packages should not be needed unless you manually deleted or moved those files around, though
[17:29] <tomreyn> (which you shouldn't be doing in the first place)
[17:29] <CQ> I know, but there were some mobo troubles during the upgrade, so there may be some stuff in a non good state... although apt says everything is file
[17:30] <EriC^> i remember back when unity was still being used, a quick reinstall would often help to get the desktop back for some
[17:30] <tomreyn> when your network is setup you could run this and post the url it returns:  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[17:30] <EriC^> worth a shot kinda thing
[17:31] <tomreyn> EriC^: i see, wasn'T aware of this. probably due to a post-install configur script then.
[17:31] <EriC^> doug16k: maybe i should try my luck at a casino tonight then :D
[17:35] <CQ> which package is dhclient in?
[17:35] <EriC^> !find dhclient
[17:36] <doug16k> CQ, isc-dhcp-client
[17:36] <CQ> thanks, reinstalled that too, rebooting, lets see
[17:36] <doug16k> ...from `apt-file search dhclient|grep '/dhclient$'`
[17:37] <CQ> hah, xfce is working from lightdm now. now to try Plasma
[17:41] <CQ> ok, the session problem is solved, thanks!!
[17:42] <CQ> Next, my interface is up, the IP is correct, but for some reason (routing? gateway?) I can't ping out of my local subnet. What should I reinstall there?
[17:44] <CQ> lets see if reinstalling network-manager helps
[17:50] <tomreyn> CQ: if you can get icmp echo responses from the gateway but not from systems beyond it then it'S the gateway filtering those packets.
[17:50] <tomreyn> ...or your own host firewall
[17:50] <CQ> tomreyn, if I run dhclient on the interface everything is correct afterwards
[17:51] <tomreyn> so after you manually run dhclient you can icmp echo responses from systems beyond the LAN?
[17:51] <CQ> yes
[17:51] <CQ> there is a wrong gateway being picked up somehow, 192.168.1.1
[17:52] <tomreyn> how did your interface get configured initially then?
[17:52] <CQ> it should be using and getting .2.2
[17:52] <CQ> thats what I don't know
[17:52] <CQ> how does ubuntu do it by default?
[17:52] <ioria> CQ, i'd check   /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml   for starter
[17:52] <tomreyn> looks like you have two dhcp servers in your LAN, when it should be a maximum of 1.
[17:53] <CQ> should not be possible... the only server should be my 2.2 firewall
[17:53] <CQ> and that should complain if it ses a second response
[17:53] <CQ> ioria, /etc/netplan is empty
[17:53] <ioria> CQ, odd
[17:54] <ioria> CQ,  are you using some old configs ?
[17:54] <CQ> ioria I upgraded from bionic to LTS and had motherboard problems inteh middle, so it could well be. Can I --reinstall something?
[17:54] <CQ> I already reinstalled network-manager but no change
[17:54] <tomreyn> the other explanation i'd have is that you have staically configured the .1. gateway somewhere.
[17:54] <tomreyn> * .1.1
[17:54] <ioria> CQ,  by default the desktop 18.04 iso populate that directory
[17:55] <ioria> *s
[17:55] <CQ> ioria, which package populates it? I can reinstall it
[17:56] <ioria> CQ,  first , how did you install ubuntu ? with what disk image xactly ?
[17:56] <CQ> ioria, it was installed ages ago from a kubuntu CD, then do-release-upgrade d ...
[17:56] <CQ> ages = more than 5 years
[17:58] <ioria> CQ,  ah, ok ... cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[17:58] <tomreyn> then it's normal to not have netplan.io installed, i think
[17:58] <CQ> I reinstalled netplan.io, dir is still empty
[17:58] <ioria> CQ,   cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[17:58] <CQ> it was set to ii though
[17:58] <CQ> Xenial...
[18:00] <tomreyn> do you have a file /etc/network/interfaces ? are there static network configurations in it?
[18:00] <CQ> only lo is set there
[18:01] <CQ> auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
[18:01] <CQ> should my interface be in there, or is that outdated with sstemd?
[18:02] <tomreyn> nmcli  | grep -F 192.168.1
[18:02] <tomreyn> your /etc/network/interfaces is fine as it is. on desktops, you'd manage network configurations via network manager
[18:02] <tomreyn> nmcli is a CLI for that.
[18:03] <CQ> route4 192.168.1.1/32
[18:03] <tomreyn> so you have this gateway configured somewhere
[18:03] <CQ> 2.2 is not listed when looking at the complete output
[18:03] <CQ> but where???
[18:04] <tomreyn> well if you look at the complete output it should say where 192.168.1.1/32 is configured
[18:05] <CQ> let me pastebin it ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vPrR3kVHyV/
[18:05] <CQ> let me pastebin it ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vPrR3kVHYV/  sorry, typo
[18:08] <tomreyn> so enp5s0 will be an ethernet connection
[18:09] <tomreyn> "nmcli c" lists those ethernet connections known to the system
[18:09] <tomreyn> s/the system/network manager/
[18:09] <CQ> could it be that network-manager and systemd-networkd are conflicting?
[18:09] <CQ> yes, running dhclient on that fixes the routing
[18:10] <tomreyn> on a desktop, networkctl should tell that "systemd-networkd is not running"
[18:10] <tomreyn> ...and that this NIC is "unmanaged"
[18:10] <CQ> ah, that may be something... there is a static URL there from somewhere. DHCP should be providing that... this may be a relic
[18:11] <CQ> tomreyn, correct, thats what networkctl says
[18:12] <CQ> where is the static IP set??
[18:12] <tomreyn> i did not know how to interpret "there is a static URL there from somewhere. DHCP should be providing that", but if you get the warning from networkctl it means you're not using systemd-networkd, which means you're most likely using network-manager only
[18:12] <CQ> its not in resolv.conf
[18:12] <CQ> err, static IP, sorry
[18:13] <CQ> correct, seems to be network-manager only
[18:13] <doug16k> what does this mean: https://gist.github.com/doug65536/ca5c493e0c807ef98b879b3f2426b227  - it looks questionable. apt-get has no issue. system is fine
[18:13] <tomreyn> resolv.conf is about resolvers. what you are looking for is not a static ip address assignment but a static / default route
[18:14] <doug16k> apt-get only brought me to 4.15.0-63 though, aptitude is offering to install 65
[18:15] <CQ2> nmcli c is showing: LAN static 192.168.2.80  fcd2e82e-788f-47ea-ab6a-e603a11d4d84  ethernet  enp5s0
[18:15] <CQ2> ...and ... LAN DHCP                 e1efd0bf-3318-48b0-bc43-2f5c485fc2b6  ethernet  --
[18:15] <CQ2> and the two of those together seem weid
[18:16] <tomreyn> CQ: right, from 'nmcli c' looks for connection profiles which are ethernet, then do "nmcli c show UUID" replacing 'UUID' by their UUID in the previous listing
[18:17] <tomreyn> you can also use nm-connection-editor to manage those on the gui.
[18:17] <doug16k> ah wait, dpkg --get-selections is showing 4.15.0-65 installed actually. aptitude output is confusing
[18:17] <tomreyn> you probably just need one ethernet connection profile, or just one that will be activated automatically at least
[18:17] <tomreyn> CQ2: ^
[18:18] <doug16k> `uname -a` says 4.15.0-63-generic. now I'm really confused
[18:19] <tomreyn> !aptitude | doug16k: as a general recommendation
[18:20] <doug16k> thanks. ya I ended up just using apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:21] <CQ3> reboot time to test, lets see if this helps
[18:22] <doug16k> how can I have 65 installed and default grub boot entry is 63 (assuming uname -a output is correct that is)
[18:23] <CQ> tomreyn, that did it, thanks...
[18:23] <tomreyn> doug16k: you can set the default kernel grub should boot in /etc/default/grub
[18:23] <CQ> tomreyn, oh ffs, I know what happened. I switched mobos and on the old one the static IP worked, here I need pure DHCP because its a different device
[18:24] <CQ> different MAC
[18:24] <doug16k> normally dist-upgrade will point grub at the latest kernel though right?
[18:24] <lordcirth_> doug16k, you did a dist-upgrade, and rebooted, and you are running 63?
[18:25] <tomreyn> CQ: glad you found it
[18:25] <doug16k> lordcirth_, correct
[18:25] <doug16k> let me reboot (again?) to be absolutely sure I am not mistaken
[18:25] <tomreyn> doug16k: yes, unless you set a specific kernel to boot to, dist-upgrade will point grub at the highest installed kernel image version
[18:27] <tomreyn> CQ: it's generally useful to point out such changes if you made them, something stopped working after that, and you're asking for support here.
[18:28] <CQ> tomreyn, yes, i know, but I was still thinking along the track of messed up configs due to mobo failures inteh middle of the dist-upgrade
[18:28] <CQ> completely forgot the new NIC
[18:29] <CQ> ...now to figure out why my second screen isn't showing up, but that could be BIOS
[18:30] <CQ> thanks again, bye!
[18:31] <doug16k> https://gist.github.com/doug65536/2033a3c608f485bc302f51e5a806c013  (I also checked command line in default boot menu entry, definitely says -63)
[18:32] <doug16k> where's linux-image-4.15.0-65 though?
[18:33] <doug16k> -generic*
[18:33] <doug16k> and -modules and etc
[18:39] <doug16k> 622GB free on my root partition, it's not weirdness from disk full
[18:39] <lordcirth_> doug16k, That is weird. Doesn't seem like a problem, though?
[18:40] <doug16k> technically it's fine. trying to be heavily updated for ryzen 9 3950X upgrade soon
[18:55] <CrtxReavr> How do I get to a CLI from the install CD?
[18:56] <lordcirth_> CrtxReavr, you should be able to press ctrl-alt-F2
[18:57] <lordcirth_> Once you've started the installer proper
[19:08] <remline> Do I need to have the linux-headers-generic package installed if I am not compiling software myself?
[19:10] <lordcirth_> remline, some kernel modules (that use DKMS) require it, but they should pull it in.
[19:19] <remline> Thanks lordcirth_, aptitude explains that I have the headers because 'linux-generic' depends on them. I suppose 'linux-generic' was installed by default.
[19:21] <lordcirth_> Yes, that's the metapackage that is usually installed.
[19:22] <newdimension_> I used to leave the default parition for Ubuntu on VirtialBox. For this install I did /swap, /, and /home. But it just got me thinking. Why don't I just create a drive for data where I do my dev work? I mean there is no reason to keep it under /home. Any thoughts on that?
[19:22] <newdimension_> *partition
[19:29] <lordcirth_> newdimension, what is the advantage? You just split up your space and make it easier for one of them to fill.
[19:31] <newdimension> lordcirth_: I'm not sure what you're trying to convey
[19:31] <lordcirth_> newdimension, what advantage do you expect to get from making another partition?
[19:31] <lordcirth_> Because there's a downside - fragmenting your free space.
[19:32] <newdimension> lordcirth_: So I can update Ubuntu versions without needing to backup my data
[19:32] <lordcirth_> newdimension, ah ok. Well, firstly, you should have backups - this would only prevent you from needing to restore it.
[19:33] <lordcirth_> And yes, in that case you might want to make an extra partition, if you have the space to spare.
[19:50] <frib> I just re-installed ubuntu 18.0 and firefox is extremely slow to display its window when I Switch to it
[19:50] <frib> is this a known issue?
[19:55] <akemlenovo> frib, What hardware? CPU, RAM video card?
[19:56] <akemlenovo> frib, Is Firefox the only slow thing on your computer?
[19:58] <lordcirth_> frib, did you mean 18.04 or 18.10?
[20:14] <tubal> Hello. Looking for help with weirdness. Running 18.04. X and  Gnome are all messed up, even though I've changed *nothing*. GDM login is just a blank purple screen. Logged in via C-A-F2 term, ran startx and (after removing .Xauthority*) got into a unconfigured, plain -vanilla Gnome with a mousepad that isn't always obeyed. Hello. Looking for help with weirdness. Running 18.04. X and  Gnome are all messed up, even though I've changed
[20:14] <tubal> *nothing*. GDM login is just a blank purple screen. Logged in via C-A-F2 term, ran startx and (after removing .Xauthority*) got into a unconfigured, plain -vanilla Gnome with a mousepad that isn't always obeyed. How can I a) get my old configured Gnome desktop back, and b) get the usual GDM login screen?
[20:15] <CQ> hello, I'm using disco, and would like to move to the 5.x kernels... any issues to be warned about? ad how do I do it? jsut install one of the images and the updates will come as with the 4.x series?
[20:15] <EriC^> tubal: does the guest account work or another user account?
[20:16] <tubal> @EriC^: I should try that.  ... Give me a minute...
[20:17] <jayjo> when I use the launcher to launch software, in this particular case postman, I have to installed versions. How can I investigate where they are installed and delete one? One is installed via the software center, that's the one I'd like to keep installed
[20:19] <frib> sorry! I got a phone call
[20:20] <xqdzn> guys, i have broken ca-certificate, I tried apt -f install, dpkg --purge --force-depends ca-certificates. Didn't work. How can I fix this?
[20:20] <frib> akemlenovo, hp envy 15, 12gb ram (not sure what kind), its an i7
[20:20] <frib> lordcirth_, 18.04
[20:21] <frib> akemlenovo, Firefox is the only slow thing right now on my computer
[20:21] <xqdzn> i'm on xenial btw
[20:21] <CQ> do I just install linux-image-5.0.0-29 and then I am on the 5.x kernel series, or will I need to update the kernels manually after that?
[20:21] <frib> it's a clean install
[20:21] <frib> (more or less)
[20:22] <frib> so yeah firefox windows progressively take longer and longer to display the longer they remain open
[20:22] <frib> seems like a memory leak or something?
[20:22] <tubal> @EriC^: Different weirdness... only wallpaper, giant mouse pointer, noting else.
[20:23] <jpmh> there is a lomng pause when I boot my system - looking at dmesg I see the entries shown at: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wbsqWWSXwN/ - any geses where that 180 seconds is being spent?
[20:28] <akemlenovo> frib, You can try chromium browser and see if it's slow too, "apt-get install chromium", what is your video card/drivers? If you got an nvidia card or dual chip(nvidia+intel) it could help if you install the nvidia drivers.
[20:29] <akemlenovo> With the config you said it shouldn't be that slow.
[20:29] <frib> akemlenovo, it's not a web issue
[20:29] <frib> it's a window issue related to firefox only
[20:29] <akemlenovo> I know.
[20:29] <frib> oh ok
[20:29] <frib> I thought you meant to use chromium as a test, not as a replacement
[20:30] <akemlenovo> But you can see if the slow window drawing issue appears with chromium too.
[20:30] <doug16k> jpmh, wild guess: bad hard drive retrying hundreds of times per I/O
[20:30] <frib> I just uninstalled chromium but i'll reinstall it
[20:31] <doug16k> or systemd hammering RNG for guids nobody cares about and you don't have rdrand
[20:32] <frib> akemlenovo, no issues with chromium
[20:33] <frib> I don't think I have nvidia, this just uses intel graphics
[20:34] <frib> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[20:35] <doug16k> chrome/chromium utterly destroys firefox in rendering performance, for me
[20:36] <doug16k> for a beefy machine, you can hardly tell, but if you're doing GPU compute, firefox slows to completely choppy and chrom* blazes along perfectly
[20:36] <akemlenovo> frib, That's weird it affects really only Firefox / Ok, but lspci only reports first chip(intel) on optimus laptops i think, but if you know there is no nvidia it's ok. And other graphics stuff are not slow anyway.
[20:37] <frib> nope, its just firefox
[20:40] <TJ-> Is this about Firefox's layers.acceleration.force-enabled / layers.offmainthreadcomposition.force-disabled  ?
[20:42] <doug16k> I applied that. doesn't help enough to catch up to chrom* (and I'm biased against chrome, I wish firefox didn't have that issue)
[20:42] <akemlenovo_> frib, ofc i didn't think about it, but check that you disabled all firefox extentions if you have some.
[20:44] <frib> yeah I Removed the only one I had but it didnt improve anything
[20:45] <frib> and I also had it installed before I reinstalled ubuntu and didn't have any issues then
[20:45] <akemlenovo_> frib try from a terminal: "firefox -safe-mode" check if it's still slow this way.
[20:45] <frib> ok
[20:45] <frib> good idea
[20:46] <frib> I Also hear my fan boot up when I open firefox
[20:46] <frib> Yes it still slow in safe-mode too
[20:47] <frib> top shows a PID with command 'Web Content' that takes a couple percent ~9
[20:48] <frib> 121% Web Content seen in with top
[20:48] <frib> everal processes have this name when I Start up firefox
[20:49] <frib> I feel like theres some crypto currency miner in my firefox lol
[20:49] <tatertots> lol
[20:49] <mmystic> hi, the path of bash is /bin/bash or /usr/bin/bash ?
[20:49] <frib> mmystic, usually /bin/bash ...
[20:50] <doug16k>  /bin/bash  ... you can check like this: which bash
[20:50] <mmystic> frib: are there any cases where bash is in both path ?
[20:51] <mmystic> I don't know why I found bash in both path... very strange
[20:51] <doug16k> if you custom compiled bash, I'd expect it to be in /usr/local/bin/bash
[20:51] <mmystic> doug16k: yep
[20:52] <frib> akemlenovo_, https://superuser.com/questions/1299746/whats-web-content-in-top-doing-taking-up-memory
[20:52] <TJ-> frib: are there multiple tabs ?
[20:52] <frib> TJ-, I use multiple tabs but it also happens if I just have 1 tab
[20:53] <frib> Maybe I am misundersatnding the question
[20:53] <akemhp> frib, When just starting up firefox you should have no "Web Content".
[20:53] <frib> akemhp, I use restore last session option though..
[20:54] <TJ-> frib: have you tested with a new empty profile ?
[20:54] <frib> I think this may be related to my website
[20:54] <frib> actually maybe not
[20:55] <frib> TJ-, what do you mean like replacing .profile? or logging in as a different user?
[20:55] <TJ-> frib: no... close/quit all firefox instances, then in a terminal do "firefox -ProfileManager" and create a new profile and start it... see if that is any different
[20:56] <frib> oh ok
[20:57] <frib> nope, the issue persists
[20:57] <akemhp> Frib also there is the option in the preferences, when you scroll down to Performance section, you can try to check with or without recommended performances.
[20:58] <akemhp> When you click that out, there is the harware accel checkbox appearing...You may try with and without.
[20:59] <frib>  akemhp I unchecked it
[20:59] <akemhp> frib, Quit and restart to try.
[20:59] <frib> ok
[20:59] <frib> I did already, no difference
[21:00] <xqdzn> how do I fix broken ca-certificates package in xenial? tried: apt -f install and dpkg --purge, didn't work
[21:00] <TJ-> could this be due to the CPU? I've seen some unusual situations in rare cases where the hlt (halt) insutrction is being ignored
[21:00] <akemhp> Then i'm out of idea on this one frib :)
[21:01] <akemhp> TJ-, Firefox is the only slow app. The rest is fine.
[21:02] <TJ-> which ubuntu release and arch is this? which firefox version/package ?
[21:06] <frib> TJ-, Mozilla Firefox 69.0
[21:06] <frib> Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[21:09] <TJ-> frib amd64 or i386 architecture?
[21:10] <frib> TJ-, you 32 or 64 bit? 64
[21:10] <frib> you mean*
[21:10] <akemhp> It's an I7. x86_64
[21:11] <frib> I'm gonna try the other desktop see if anything changes
[21:12] <TJ-> frib: in firefox address bar type "about:support" then Copy text to clipboard, and pastebin it for us
[21:15] <TJ-> frib: in firefox address bar type "about:support" then Copy text to clipboard, and pastebin it for us
[21:15] <frib> doesn't appear to be happening in the default ubuntu desktop
[21:15] <shanee> Hi. I'm setting up a new system as: raid5 > lvm2 > ext4. Is it actually possible to install grub2 to this and make it bootable?
[21:15] <TJ-> frib: what desktop env were you experiencing the problem?
[21:16] <frib> TJ-, fluxbox
[21:16] <TJ-> shanee: raid5 mdadm ?
[21:16] <shanee> TJ-: Yes.
[21:16] <akemlenovo_> I use Fluxbox too, i don't have this problem with Firefox on 18.04.
[21:17] <frib> akemlenovo_, I always have for years
[21:17] <frib> didn't have this problem until now, but for whatever reason its not happening when I Swtich to the other desktop
[21:17] <akemlenovo_> frib, Cool :)
[21:17] <TJ-> shanee: Well, grub can read it (so /boot/ filesystem can be on there) but you won't be able to have the GRUB bootstrap/core image on it since the PC's firmware won't be able to read it. You'd need to leave the MBR/BIOS-boot-partition/EFI-SP outside RAID-5
[21:17] <frib> that could be because I'm running something else through fluxbox...
[21:17] <frib> couldn't say what though
[21:18] <TJ-> frib: does it affect another *new* user account using fluxbox ?
[21:19] <frib> TJ-, ill try that now
[21:21] <pedahzur> Any Ubuntu installer experts here? I've added this directive to the installer pre-seed: d-i apt-setup/use_mirror boolean false. But...looking at the log output of the installer, I still it trying to reach out to security.ubuntu.com. Why!?!?
[21:22] <shanee> TJ-: Ok, so I need to shrink my raid5 and add an extra 10mb raid 1 across the drives (for the grub image)? Then I install grub to the raid 1 somehow?
[21:23] <akemlenovo_> frib, Are you using the Fluxbox provided by Ubuntu or did you build it?
[21:26] <TJ-> shanee: yes you can do it that way, is the system UEFI or BIOS?
[21:28] <shanee> TJ-: Not too sure. I think either? I think I made it BIOS by changing it to "legacy boot mode".
[21:28] <frib> something weird happens when I Switch between desktops because this laptop was supposed to be a touchscreen but it was cracked on delivery
[21:28] <shanee> TJ-: How would you do it? Do I just need 10mb of unallocated space on each drive for the grub image?
[21:28] <frib> so the login screen is upside down after I switch desktops and I have to tilt it
[21:28] <frib> anyway.. separate issues
[21:29] <TJ-> shanee: legacy would be BIOS mode. Are the drives using GPT ?
[21:29] <frib> TJ-, akemhp, akemlenovo_ no issues with this test profile in fluxbox, firefox seems fine now
[21:30] <TJ-> frib: ok, so that tells you there's some custom config in your regular profile causing it
[21:30] <frib> TJ-, yes but I am not aware of any changes that I made recently .. unless I'm forgetting something
[21:30] <shanee> TJ-: Yes.
[21:32] <TJ-> shanee: so free up some space to create a BIOS Boot partition which is where grub will put its core image, it'll also but its bootstrap code in sector 0. In this case you're going to need to take special measures to ensure GRUB install targets both drives that make up the mirror.
[21:33] <doug16k> consider adding a small cheap SSD as the boot drive so you don't need to mess with the boot partition in the way of your raid extents
[21:35] <shanee> doug16k: Good idea. But I've ran out of space in my computer. I could boot from a USB, but that feels a bit icky.
[21:35] <frib> I keep the same .fluxbox folder every time I migrate to a new os version. does that matter?
[21:35] <TJ-> shanee: as I recall, if you've got an mdadm raid-1 mirror for, lets say, /dev/sda1 + /dev/sdb1  as /dev/md0, then you obvisously cannot do "grub-install /dev/md0" since md0 doesn't cover sector 0, and you have to install to each underlying disk (/dev/sda /dev/sdb)
[21:36] <ph88> when ubuntu stops booting how can i get diagnostics on the problem ?
[21:38] <tubal> [re-post] Hello. Looking for help with weirdness. Running 18.04. X and  Gnome are all messed up, even though I've changed *nothing*. GDM login is just a blank purple screen. Logged in via C-A-F2 term, ran startx and (after removing .Xauthority*) got into a unconfigured, plain-vanilla Gnome with a mousepad that isn't always obeyed. How can I a) get my old configured Gnome desktop back, and b) get the usual GDM login screen?
[21:40] <shanee> TJ-: That makes sense. So I'll ditch the raid1 and just run grub-mkconfig against each (and create the BIOS Boot partitions).
[21:41] <TJ-> shanee: grub-install not grub-mkconfig (That just creates /boot/grub/grub.cfg)
[21:41] <shanee> TJ-: Ah yes, sorry. I'll give it a go now. I've been pulling my hair out over this, but you explain is terribly well!
[21:42] <frib> TJ-, the strange thing is that firefox is affected by my linux user but not by that user's firefox profile
[21:42] <TJ-> shanee: if boot process interests you this might keep you entertained  https://iam.tj/prototype/guides/boot/
[21:43] <TJ-> shanee: section 3 boot sequence flowchart expands full-page and helps understand it
[21:43] <shanee> TJ-: OOo. It does. I'll give it a read, thank you.
[21:48] <doug16k> shanee, USB flash drives have utterly atrocious reliability
[21:49] <doug16k> I've seen them die within a couple of months
[21:49] <doug16k> with very little usage
[21:50] <doug16k> I bought a 64GB sandisk usb flash drive, dead in 3 months
[21:50] <aliasbex> mine died the first and only time when i have put sensible data on it :P
[21:51] <validom> @doug16k at least they replace it for free
[21:51] <TJ-> I've been running a 4GB key for 7 years with a full diagnostic/forensics install on and used it thousands of times and its still going strong
[21:52] <aliasbex> high data rate is killing it i beliebe.
[21:52] <aliasbex> for extended period of time
[21:53] <aliasbex> usb 3.0 sticks get very hot then. mine was a sandisk tiny one.
[21:53] <TJ-> if I recall correctly this is a sandisk cruzer
[21:58] <tomreyn> doug16k: about the 4.15.0-65 kernel packages: your system may have spotted those in bionic-proposed. however https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/linux-image-generic clearly points to -64 so that's what you should have.
[22:25] <ph88^> i get an error   EDAC pnd2: Failed to register device with error -19   while trying to boot Lubuntu 19.04 and it hangs there.. what can i do about it ? where to report a bug ?
[22:26] <doug16k> ph88^, try disabling ecc in bios?
[22:26] <ph88^> forgot to mention .. this is running inside VM
[22:26] <ph88^> host system doesn't use ECC
[22:26] <doug16k> EDAC == error detection and correction == ecc hardware
[22:28] <ph88^> i don't know what to do with that information
[22:28] <doug16k> relevant part of my dmesg, 64GB ECC on my main machine: https://gist.github.com/doug65536/6fdecc4ff88fa695b9e35cbacec051e0
[22:29] <doug16k> strange that you get that issue inside a vm. is it a kvm vm?
[22:30] <ph88^> it's a synology nas system .. i believe (but not 100% sure) it's based on QEMU
[22:31] <ph88^> i'm not saying that that error is the error that prevents the system from booting further .. it's just the last thing i see  ..
[22:34] <tomreyn> so it's a synology NAS, but running Lubuntu 19.04, so not what they install on it?
[22:38] <tomreyn> ah you said it's lubuntu within a VM which is hosted on a synaology system. there's the "virt-what" command you can use to determine the virtualization type this VM is running in
[22:39] <ph88^> how do i view the mce logs only ?
[22:39] <ph88^> tomreyn, it's a synology nas running the OS by synology providing a VM in which i install Lubuntu 19.04
[22:40] <ph88^> virtual machine: hyperv qemu
[22:42] <becool> is there an autonomous version of ubuntu, or is canonical moving towards it?
[22:42] <becool> something like this: https://www.linux.com/news/oracle-announces-autonomous-linux/
[22:42] <doug16k> ph88^, I'd try adding kernel parameters in the guest: modprobe.blacklist=edac_mce,edac_mce_amd
[22:43] <ph88^> thx doug16k  i'll give it a try
[22:43] <ph88^> btw i read that mcelog is deprecated, in favor of what though ? would like to see hardware errors somewhere
[22:45] <doug16k> not sure comma works, might need modprobe.blacklist=edac_mce modprobe.blacklist=edac_mce_amd
[22:45] <doug16k> ah, comma should work
[22:46] <ph88^> i have now file=/cdmrom/preseed/lubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/caspter/initrd quiet splash ---
[22:46] <ph88^> don't know why those --- are there
[22:46] <ph88^> i will try to put those extra options in the front
[22:48] <doug16k> I'd get rid of quiet splash too, better to see what's going on
[22:49] <ph88^> so i remove the "initrd=/caspter/initrd quiet splash" part ?
[22:49] <ph88^> i still get the EDAC error
[22:49] <tomreyn> !discuss | becool
[22:53] <tomreyn> ph88^: this looks like a presseded lubuntu installer you're running in this VM?
[22:53] <tomreyn> where's this coming from?
[22:54] <ph88^> that is from the Lubuntu 19.04 installer running inside the VM
[22:54] <tomreyn> how have you configured the VM to start form this installer? the installer within the VM?
[22:54] <tomreyn> how have you configured the VM to start form this installer?
[22:55] <ph88^> the VM has an option to mount an ISO .. then it automatically boots this ISO
[22:55] <tomreyn> ok, whats the exact filename of the installer?
[22:55] <tomreyn> of the iso rather
[22:56] <ph88^>  lubuntu-19.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:56] <tomreyn> and you verified the checksum?
[22:56] <ph88^> yes
[22:56] <tomreyn> does this system actually have a graphics card, can it actually run a graphical desktop?
[22:57] <ph88^> Lubuntu 18.10 boots fine to desktop. After i do-release-upgrade to 19.04 it gets the same problem
[22:57] <tomreyn> do you still have this upgraded 18.10 -> 19.04 system instealled?
[22:58] <ph88^> the host system does not have a graphics card, i get to see the client VM through a vnc instance served through the browser
[22:58] <ph88^> tomreyn, no i deleted that VM .. but i could recreate it ..
[22:58] <tomreyn> it'd possible that you could have booted that to recovery, but you can also try this with the iso.
[22:58] <tomreyn> !recovery
[22:59] <tomreyn> actually i'm not sure the lubuntu 19.04 installer has a recovery mode, though
[23:00] <ph88^> would you like me to install 18.10 and then dist upgrade ?
[23:00] <tomreyn> ah, looks like you're also getting help in #lubuntu.
[23:01] <ph88^> eh when i said 18.10 i meant 18.04 ...
[23:01] <ph88^> nobody knows what's going on so far ..
[23:02] <tomreyn> if you can somehow get a dmesg of the VM that'll likely help
[23:02] <ph88^> tomreyn, the 18.04 and then after the dist upgrade ??
[23:04] <tomreyn> maybe get a dmesg of a fully updated 18.04.3, and then another of the 19.04
[23:05] <ph88^> oki
[23:06] <chris349> I did an install with UEFI and I am trying to clone the disk to use in an identical machine, but it doesnt work. I even tried a full clone with dd
[23:07] <ph88^> chris349, maybe try clonezilla
[23:07] <chris349> ph88^, Thats the first way I tried, disk not bootable
[23:08] <tomreyn> is the efi system partition on the same drive you cloned?
[23:08] <ph88^> chris349, go to windows, get the tool "Rufus" and put clonezilla on USB stick.  I tried 5 tools in linux and they all couldn't create a decent bootable USB stick
[23:09] <tomreyn> "go to windows" is not usually what we recommend here
[23:09] <ph88^> works for me ^^
[23:09] <chris349> ph88^, That is not the issue... I use clonezilla all the time, actually have it setup for PXE boot
[23:09] <tomreyn> and there are certainly utilities which can create bootable usb stroages from an image on ubuntu
[23:09] <chris349> The issue is I clone the disk with clonezilla and DD and the copy is not bootable
[23:09] <ph88^> aaaah
[23:10] <akemlenovo> chris349, Are the 2 hard drives identicals? as in hw sector numbers etc? sometimes in the same machine types the drives may not be exactly the same, if it's just a bit smaller it may be a problem - i want to do something like this too.
[23:11] <chris349> Im not sure but when I did the install I made the last partition a few GB smaller just in case
[23:11] <tomreyn> chris349: did you notice my question aboout the efi system partition?
[23:11] <akemlenovo> chris349, Ok that must be something else then.
[23:16] <chris349> Yes, its a very simple system. Just a 32gb SSD.
[23:20] <tomreyn> chris349: you'll need to make the other computers' uefi aware of what to boot to. did you do this?
[23:21] <chris349> The computers are identical, how would I do that?
[23:22] <tomreyn> either from inside the "bios" configuration screen, or from a live linux system by setting the boot order using efibootmgr
[23:22] <tomreyn> you can compare the NVRAM settings using "efibootmgr  -v" on both systems
[23:23] <chris349> I dont want to swap around too much
[23:24] <chris349> If I just boot the problem computer can I use the efibootmgr to configure it correctly and point it to the right boot device?
[23:24] <tomreyn> are you familiar of hoiw uefi booting works (in contrary to classic bios booting)?
[23:25] <tomreyn> yes you should be able to just use efibootmgr to point the problem computers' firmware to boot the intended boot loader
[23:49] <chris349> I booted from a live disc and I have no idea what to do with efibootmgr to make the hard drive bootable
[23:50] <tomreyn> you can run it on both systems with -vb and compare, this should give a good hint.
[23:50] <tomreyn> actually just -v, not -vb
[23:52] <chris349> Is there an easier way?
[23:53] <tomreyn> if you can edit it from the bios setup utility this can be easier. also, you could which one your uefi implementation will be looking for, and just copy ubuntu's grub shim there.
[23:54] <matt|home> if i have network sharing set up on another windows computer on the same lan, shouldn't that show up in the file manager in other locations? or do i /need/ to set up samba or something before i can share files from this one
[23:55] <matt|home> i've got a 3 gig file i need to transfer from here, and no storage devices i can put it on and transfer :< has to be network. i just want the easiest and quickest way to do this
[23:56] <tomreyn> matt|home: your ubuntu version and graphical desktop are?
[23:56] <matt|home> 18.04.3 LTS
[23:57] <tomreyn> standard ubuntu with gnome-shell, not another flavour then, i assume?
[23:57] <matt|home> whatever the default is for graphics. this looks like gnome i think, or unity or whatever it's called now
[23:57] <matt|home> yeah
[23:57] <tomreyn> so if you have the "ubuntu-desktop" package installed then, yes, i'd expect you to be able to see windows shares on other computers on the same network
[23:58] <matt|home> huh. so why can't i.
[23:58] <matt|home> screw it, im in a rush. let's try samba if that doesn't work then i'll just move the desktop itself
[23:58] <tomreyn> and to be able to connect to them, using the (default) nautilus graphical file manager.
[23:59] <tomreyn> if you'Re in a rush, i suggest you install an ssh server on ubuntu then, and an ssh client on the other system.
[23:59] <tomreyn> e.g.   sudo apt update && sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop openssh-server