| lotuspsychje | good morning | 02:08 |
|---|---|---|
| marcoagpinto | Hello | 05:47 |
| marcoagpinto | next month's 19.10!!!!!!!!!! | 05:52 |
| marcoagpinto | >:) | 05:52 |
| marcoagpinto | I can hardly wait | 05:52 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 06:31 |
| marcoagpinto | lordievader: morning! | 06:41 |
| marcoagpinto | >:) | 06:41 |
| lordievader | 👋 | 06:41 |
| marcoagpinto | I have been up since 4am working on the GB speller | 06:41 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 06:41 |
| marcoagpinto | it is a hard job but someone has to do it | 06:42 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:54 |
| marcoagpinto | hey hey | 06:55 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 06:55 |
| ducasse | \o | 06:56 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 11:47 |
| marcoagpinto | BluesKaj!!! Hello!!! | 11:59 |
| marcoagpinto | >:) | 11:59 |
| marcoagpinto | it is the cola demon here | 11:59 |
| BluesKaj | Hi marcoagpinto, yes I'm aware of that | 12:01 |
| akemlenovo | Hey BluesKaj, marcoagpinto. | 12:04 |
| marcoagpinto | akemlenovo!!!! :) | 12:04 |
| BluesKaj | hi akemlenovo | 12:05 |
| marcoagpinto | the weekend is soon and I am becoming stressed already | 12:06 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 12:06 |
| marcoagpinto | lol | 12:06 |
| marcoagpinto | I have been stressed for months, so no big news | 12:06 |
| BluesKaj | too much cola ! | 12:07 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 12:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | I will never understand why people still think you can just willy nilly remove services on boot to speed up a system... 45 seconds... oh noes... I can't wait a whole 45 seconds for my machine to boot, i might like get distracted by a newspaper or go for a walk | 12:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | /sarcasm | 12:48 |
| EoflaOE | Hello everyone and marcoagpinto | 12:49 |
| marcoagpinto | EoflaOE!!!! Hello! | 12:49 |
| EoflaOE | Hello! How are you marcoagpinto? | 12:49 |
| marcoagpinto | stressed... and you? | 12:50 |
| marcoagpinto | :p | 12:50 |
| EoflaOE | Doing fine | 12:50 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: Any news about the GB speller, and others? | 12:52 |
| marcoagpinto | yes, I have been adding words since 4am | 12:52 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 12:52 |
| marcoagpinto | then, I decided to commit the daily changes to GitHub | 12:53 |
| marcoagpinto | https://github.com/marcoagpinto/aoo-mozilla-en-dict | 12:53 |
| EoflaOE | Nice. I will check the repo. | 12:53 |
| marcoagpinto | "7 hours ago" | 12:53 |
| marcoagpinto | ohhhhhh... 7 hours ago? I can't remember how many it was | 12:53 |
| marcoagpinto | :p | 12:53 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: Nice folder scheme. I hope that all spelling checkers will use yours. If I got time, I will look to improve it. | 12:56 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 12:56 |
| marcoagpinto | it is already in LibreOffice, so Ubuntu uses it | 12:56 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 12:56 |
| marcoagpinto | at least if the language pack is installed | 12:57 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: OK. | 12:58 |
| === gry_ is now known as gry | ||
| marcoagpinto | https://i.imgur.com/IkgnM0b.png <- the 2018 oldest wordlist is still being viewed massively... people want to know if I am cheating | 13:11 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:11 |
| marcoagpinto | this month statistics | 13:14 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:14 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: Nice. By the way what software did you use to get statistics so I can do the same for my KS project? | 13:15 |
| marcoagpinto | EoflaOE: I don't use software... it appears in the options of the host provider | 13:16 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:16 |
| marcoagpinto | I just click "view statistics" or whatever | 13:16 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:16 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: OK, and what host provider? | 13:17 |
| marcoagpinto | next to "upload files" or so | 13:17 |
| marcoagpinto | dotster | 13:17 |
| EoflaOE | Good. | 13:18 |
| EoflaOE | Have you seen the new Ubuntu wallpaper? | 13:18 |
| marcoagpinto | yes? last week or two weeks ago? | 13:19 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:19 |
| pizzaiolo | o/ | 13:19 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: Last week approximately. | 13:20 |
| marcoagpinto | ahhhhhhhh | 13:21 |
| marcoagpinto | >:) | 13:21 |
| EoflaOE | And hello pizzaiolo | 13:21 |
| marcoagpinto | hello pizzaiolo | 13:21 |
| pizzaiolo | marcoagpinto interesting project! | 13:21 |
| marcoagpinto | thanks | 13:21 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: And what are your thoughts about this new wallpaper? I might put the white and black version of the wallpaper on my blog background, because text are gray, but I will have to save it as draft first to see if the text colors would make reading hard or not. | 13:22 |
| marcoagpinto | EoflaOE: could you tell me the url again? | 13:23 |
| marcoagpinto | >:) | 13:23 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: https://eofla.wordpress.com/ | 13:24 |
| marcoagpinto | EoflaOE: it looks very good, but grey text is hard to see... can't you make the text black? | 13:24 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: Using the current theme, no. Also, only some premium themes have text color changing feature. | 13:27 |
| marcoagpinto | ohhhhhhh | 13:27 |
| marcoagpinto | sorry to hear that | 13:29 |
| marcoagpinto | regarding the English spellers, I only commit them to Gerrit every six months (for each new LibreOffice upgrade), so I will only commit them on 1-NOV for LibreOffice 6.4 to be released in January | 13:30 |
| marcoagpinto | they means that people are always outdated, except if they download and install the .oxt manually | 13:30 |
| marcoagpinto | it seems that backporting the spellers give too much trouble :( | 13:31 |
| marcoagpinto | that is what I was told | 13:31 |
| marcoagpinto | they mean=this means* | 13:31 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: OK. Nice. | 13:34 |
| marcoagpinto | what this means is that if you upgrade to LibreOffice 6.4 in January you will have Nov'2019 version :( | 13:35 |
| marcoagpinto | 6 months outdated | 13:35 |
| marcoagpinto | :(((((((( | 13:35 |
| marcoagpinto | ops? | 13:36 |
| marcoagpinto | wrong calculations? | 13:36 |
| marcoagpinto | only 2 months outdated? | 13:36 |
| marcoagpinto | Nov, Dec, Jan | 13:36 |
| marcoagpinto | my brain is all toasted... | 13:36 |
| marcoagpinto | I can't think properly | 13:37 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: OK. Do you know there are PowerPoint operating systems (a slideshow that represents the design and concept of the OS)? | 13:39 |
| marcoagpinto | no | 13:39 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: They use "Go to next slide after" feature, macros, shapes, images, and everything. In the end, this is just a presentation that runs like an OS. | 13:41 |
| marcoagpinto | ohhhhhh | 13:41 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:41 |
| marcoagpinto | to my thesis defence, I will have the powerpoint file plus a PDF with them | 13:42 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:42 |
| marcoagpinto | in case the room's Office damages the formating | 13:42 |
| marcoagpinto | like it happened in the Military Academy in 2012 | 13:43 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:43 |
| marcoagpinto | I had a normal powerpoint file (not .x) and it got all damaged | 13:43 |
| marcoagpinto | so, at home I printed to PDF and used the PDF | 13:43 |
| marcoagpinto | I didn't risk to create a .x | 13:43 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:43 |
| marcoagpinto | but now the slides are 16:9 and I have made some tests and there is a lot of blank space in each page | 13:44 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: Yes. Sadly, PowerPoint OS's are the lowest priority of mine, because I don't work on them oftenly. | 13:45 |
| marcoagpinto | ahhh.. they let me go to the room before the defence.. two or so days before... so I noticed the formating was all damaged | 13:45 |
| marcoagpinto | http://proofingtoolgui.org/proofingtoolgui_files/Ciberterrorismo_slides_VersFinal.pdf | 13:47 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:47 |
| marcoagpinto | I will place a PDF with the PhD after the defence too | 13:47 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: I am going to the bathroom and go back and look at the PDF file. | 13:47 |
| marcoagpinto | EoflaOE: oki | 13:47 |
| marcoagpinto | I am going to rest a bit soon... just waiting for mum to exit the bathroom | 13:48 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 13:48 |
| marcoagpinto | she takes two hours in the bathroom :p | 13:48 |
| marcoagpinto | lol | 13:48 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: Well-designed. This design reminds me of old things. However, the content is in Spanish. | 14:00 |
| marcoagpinto | EoflaOE: in Portuguese, you mean | 14:03 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 14:03 |
| marcoagpinto | but the PhD slides will be in English | 14:03 |
| EoflaOE | marcoagpinto: OK. Thanks for correcting me, though. | 14:04 |
| marcoagpinto | Buaaaaaaaaaaaa... the PhD slides look so good... I just wish I finish the course to make them public | 14:15 |
| marcoagpinto | :( | 14:15 |
| EoflaOE | I hope that you finish everything. | 14:18 |
| marcoagpinto | nap time... bbl... take care everyone | 14:47 |
| marcoagpinto | :) | 14:47 |
| akem__ | Bon appetite :) | 14:48 |
| EoflaOE | Take care marcoagpinto | 14:48 |
| lotuspsychje | anyone ordered lubuntu trolls? | 15:26 |
| lordcirth_ | lotuspsychje, ? | 15:26 |
| lotuspsychje | lordcirth_: dollarwoman repeating xubuntu vs lubuntu polls all day now :p | 15:27 |
| lordcirth_ | Ah | 15:27 |
| EoflaOE | So many trolls these days lotuspsychje. | 15:27 |
| lordcirth_ | I don't think it's a troll, just flailing. | 15:27 |
| lotuspsychje | EoflaOE: sure is | 15:27 |
| OerHeks | running ubuntu on a doorstopper? | 15:28 |
| lordcirth_ | Yup. ESL, little technical knowledge, ancient hardware. Fairly common profile for flailing about. | 15:30 |
| OerHeks | so sad if that old machine catches fire.. | 15:31 |
| EoflaOE | I have my old machine that survived from years, but the hard drive will fail after ~3 years | 15:48 |
| pizzaiolo | i'm on my second battery on my xps 13 | 16:00 |
| pizzaiolo | first one expanded after about 2.5 years | 16:00 |
| daftykins | sounds like bad luck | 16:01 |
| pizzaiolo | daftykins i think it might be more than that, there's a couple of reported cases | 16:01 |
| daftykins | that doesn't make any sense, because there'd be a lot sold versus 'a couple' gone wrong :) | 16:02 |
| akemhp | My old Thinkpad hinge broke on the plastic part it's screwed on, they are not so solid in fact... | 17:35 |
| akemhp | They look sturdy, but in thoses places where it's very important it's not so good. | 17:43 |
| akemhp | Anyway i'll get another one, same model soon i think. | 17:43 |
| === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon | ||
| marcoagpinto | Stairway to heaven!!!! The greatest song in the world!!! | 18:55 |
| daftykins | hmm that happened on a client's son's Ideapad, which are definitely cheap versus thinkpads... plastic mounted onto metal | 19:09 |
| daftykins | i found a cheap case online and fixed it up, but he seems to have given up on the machine now | 19:09 |
| daftykins | very disappointing | 19:09 |
| akemhp | daftykins, yeah it sucks, since everything else is working on the machine. Might look for a case, but it's an old machine, and the plastic is not very time proof apparently. | 19:12 |
| daftykins | should be pretty cheap, that's the good thing about thinkpads... tonnes of spares around | 19:24 |
| akemhp | Yeah, it's about 15 euros. | 19:47 |
| JanC | I've had many laptops where a screen hinge broke | 20:44 |
| JanC | that didn't happen with laptops from 20-30 years ago, so it's not an impossible engineering problem... | 20:45 |
| akemhp | Cheap materials...weak attaches :/ | 20:46 |
| JanC | it's not necessarily cheap materials, but maybe trying to make laptops lighter & thinner... | 20:47 |
| akemhp | Yeah, that too. | 20:47 |
| jeremyb | ham fisted owners | 20:47 |
| akemhp | THey want it as thin as possible. | 20:47 |
| JanC | you know, the "my laptop is 0.5mm thinner & 50g lighter than yours" stuff | 20:48 |
| JanC | I'd rather have it 0.5mm thicker & 100g heavier if it would actually survive more than 2 years :) | 20:49 |
| jeremyb | with a built in parachute | 20:50 |
| JanC | no need for that; 1990s laptops didn't have that either | 20:50 |
| jeremyb | They could at least have a handle on them | 20:51 |
| JanC | I've only seen handles on some 1970s & 1980s laptops :) | 20:51 |
| jeremyb | Those big old things | 20:52 |
| JanC | but those were suitcase-sized | 20:52 |
| jeremyb | spare tires on cars are smaller than what they were | 20:52 |
| daftykins | think i'm just gentle with my equipment | 20:52 |
| JanC | it's amazing that Xerox sold laptops with ethernet and a GUI OS in the 1970s though... | 20:54 |
| JanC | even if they sold them at $1mln or something like that :-) | 20:54 |
| JanC | (I think they sold less than 10) | 20:56 |
| TJ- | someone give me a bug to fix! anything has got to be easier than having to read 140 pages on how setup and run a degree-level apprenticeship programme :s | 22:10 |
| jeremyb | rtl8812au-dkms with the messed up dkms/Makefile | 22:10 |
| TJ- | is that in the archive? | 22:10 |
| TJ- | I've got 3 alternatives here :) | 22:12 |
| jeremyb | TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtl8812au/+bug/1820897 | 22:12 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1820897 in rtl8812au (Ubuntu) "USB wifi adapter module does not work after version update" [Undecided,New] | 22:12 |
| jeremyb | Link that fixes both https://launchpadlibrarian.net/330175838/rtl8812au-4.3.8.12175.20140902+dfsg.patch | 22:12 |
| TJ- | looks like the offered patch is intended to fix it but the user hasn't come back to confirm it solves the issue. | 22:18 |
| TJ- | I don't know why there isn't an autopkgtest for all DKMS to flag/reject poorly written Makefiles | 22:18 |
| jeremyb | TJ-: I just used the dkms.conf part of that before it was written, back in 2016 and it fixed the issue | 22:21 |
| jeremyb | -MAKE="'make' all" | 22:21 |
| jeremyb | +MAKE="'make' all KVER=$kernelver" | 22:21 |
| TJ- | That just needs the kernel team poking I think | 22:21 |
| jeremyb | The new module without the fix would always have the old kernel listed in the vermagic for the new kernel | 22:22 |
| TJ- | well not necessarily, it'd have the *running* kernel. Only changing dkms.conf in that rtl example shouldn't alter that since the Makefile is doing a simple expansion := not a conditional :? -- conditional assignment only applies if the variable isn't already defined | 22:28 |
| jeremyb | TJ-: I can just report what my results were. The package as is if I updated a kernel from 4.15.0-35 to 4.15.0-36 the rtl8812au module in /lib/modules/4.15.0-36-generic would have vermagic 4.15.0-35-generic | 22:35 |
| TJ- | I realise that, what I'm getting at is that only changing dkms.conf shouldn't "fix" it since that only sets KVER... which in Makefile when it does "KVER := $(shell uname -r)" (simple assignment) replaces what was set in dms.conf by the running kernel version. dkms.conf change needs the "KVER ?= $(shell uname -r)" in Makefile which is the conditional assignment (only if KVER wasn't set on the 'make' | 22:40 |
| TJ- | command line) | 22:40 |
| jeremyb | TJ-: It confuses me as I made dkms packaged prior to Ubuntu 16.04 that worked without a lot of this and it seems to be needed now. | 22:46 |
| TJ- | I think it may be due to changes in DKMS' plumbing | 22:49 |
| jeremyb | Some major changes | 22:49 |
| jeremyb | TJ-: I see you are active in #ubuntu right now, so I will leave for now | 22:51 |
| TJ- | I see a couple of patches that might be implicated, 0013 and 0016 | 22:53 |
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