[02:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:47] <marcoagpinto> Hello
[05:52] <marcoagpinto> next month's 19.10!!!!!!!!!!
[05:52] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[05:52] <marcoagpinto> I can hardly wait
[06:31] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:41] <marcoagpinto> lordievader: morning!
[06:41] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[06:41] <lordievader> 👋
[06:41] <marcoagpinto> I have been up since 4am working on the GB speller
[06:41] <marcoagpinto> :)
[06:42] <marcoagpinto> it is a hard job but someone has to do it
[06:54] <ducasse> good morning
[06:55] <marcoagpinto> hey hey
[06:55] <marcoagpinto> :)
[06:56] <ducasse> \o
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:59] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj!!! Hello!!!
[11:59] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:59] <marcoagpinto> it is the cola demon here
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi marcoagpinto, yes I'm aware of that
[12:04] <akemlenovo> Hey BluesKaj, marcoagpinto.
[12:04] <marcoagpinto> akemlenovo!!!! :)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> hi akemlenovo
[12:06] <marcoagpinto> the weekend is soon and I am becoming stressed already
[12:06] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:06] <marcoagpinto> lol
[12:06] <marcoagpinto> I have been stressed for months, so no big news
[12:07] <BluesKaj> too much cola !
[12:07] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:48] <pragmaticenigma> I will never understand why people still think you can just willy nilly remove services on boot to speed up a system... 45 seconds... oh noes... I can't wait a whole 45 seconds for my machine to boot, i might like get distracted by a newspaper or go for a walk
[12:48] <pragmaticenigma>  /sarcasm
[12:49] <EoflaOE> Hello everyone and marcoagpinto
[12:49] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE!!!! Hello!
[12:49] <EoflaOE> Hello! How are you marcoagpinto?
[12:50] <marcoagpinto> stressed... and you?
[12:50] <marcoagpinto> :p
[12:50] <EoflaOE> Doing fine
[12:52] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Any news about the GB speller, and others?
[12:52] <marcoagpinto> yes, I have been adding words since 4am
[12:52] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:53] <marcoagpinto> then, I decided to commit the daily changes to GitHub
[12:53] <marcoagpinto> https://github.com/marcoagpinto/aoo-mozilla-en-dict
[12:53] <EoflaOE> Nice. I will check the repo.
[12:53] <marcoagpinto> "7 hours ago"
[12:53] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhh... 7 hours ago? I can't remember how many it was
[12:53] <marcoagpinto> :p
[12:56] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Nice folder scheme. I hope that all spelling checkers will use yours. If I got time, I will look to improve it.
[12:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:56] <marcoagpinto> it is already in LibreOffice, so Ubuntu uses it
[12:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:57] <marcoagpinto> at least if the language pack is installed
[12:58] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK.
[13:11] <marcoagpinto> https://i.imgur.com/IkgnM0b.png <- the 2018 oldest wordlist is still being viewed massively... people want to know if I am cheating
[13:11] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:14] <marcoagpinto> this month statistics
[13:14] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:15] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Nice. By the way what software did you use to get statistics so I can do the same for my KS project?
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: I don't use software... it appears in the options of the host provider
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> I just click "view statistics" or whatever
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:17] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK, and what host provider?
[13:17] <marcoagpinto> next to "upload files" or so
[13:17] <marcoagpinto> dotster
[13:18] <EoflaOE> Good.
[13:18] <EoflaOE> Have you seen the new Ubuntu wallpaper?
[13:19] <marcoagpinto> yes? last week or two weeks ago?
[13:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:19] <pizzaiolo> o/
[13:20] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Last week approximately.
[13:21] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhhh
[13:21] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[13:21] <EoflaOE> And hello pizzaiolo
[13:21] <marcoagpinto> hello pizzaiolo
[13:21] <pizzaiolo> marcoagpinto interesting project!
[13:21] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[13:22] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: And what are your thoughts about this new wallpaper? I might put the white and black version of the wallpaper on my blog background, because text are gray, but I will have to save it as draft first to see if the text colors would make reading hard or not.
[13:23] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: could you tell me the url again?
[13:23] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[13:24] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: https://eofla.wordpress.com/
[13:24] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: it looks very good, but grey text is hard to see... can't you make the text black?
[13:27] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Using the current theme, no. Also, only some premium themes have text color changing feature.
[13:27] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh
[13:29] <marcoagpinto> sorry to hear that
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> regarding the English spellers, I only commit them to Gerrit every six months (for each new LibreOffice upgrade), so I will only commit them on 1-NOV for LibreOffice 6.4 to be released in January
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> they means that people are always outdated, except if they download and install the .oxt manually
[13:31] <marcoagpinto> it seems that backporting the spellers give too much trouble :(
[13:31] <marcoagpinto> that is what I was told
[13:31] <marcoagpinto> they mean=this means*
[13:34] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK. Nice.
[13:35] <marcoagpinto> what this means is that if you upgrade to LibreOffice 6.4 in January you will have Nov'2019 version :(
[13:35] <marcoagpinto> 6 months outdated
[13:35] <marcoagpinto> :((((((((
[13:36] <marcoagpinto> ops?
[13:36] <marcoagpinto> wrong calculations?
[13:36] <marcoagpinto> only 2 months outdated?
[13:36] <marcoagpinto> Nov, Dec, Jan
[13:36] <marcoagpinto> my brain is all toasted...
[13:37] <marcoagpinto> I can't think properly
[13:39] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK. Do you know there are PowerPoint operating systems (a slideshow that represents the design and concept of the OS)?
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> no
[13:41] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: They use "Go to next slide after" feature, macros, shapes, images, and everything. In the end, this is just a presentation that runs like an OS.
[13:41] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhh
[13:41] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:42] <marcoagpinto> to my thesis defence, I will have the powerpoint file plus a PDF with them
[13:42] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:42] <marcoagpinto> in case the room's Office damages the formating
[13:43] <marcoagpinto> like it happened in the Military Academy in 2012
[13:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:43] <marcoagpinto> I had a normal powerpoint file (not .x) and it got all damaged
[13:43] <marcoagpinto> so, at home I printed to PDF and used the PDF
[13:43] <marcoagpinto> I didn't risk to create a .x
[13:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:44] <marcoagpinto> but now the slides are 16:9 and I have made some tests and there is a lot of blank space in each page
[13:45] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Yes. Sadly, PowerPoint OS's are the lowest priority of mine, because I don't work on them oftenly.
[13:45] <marcoagpinto> ahhh.. they let me go to the room before the defence.. two or so days before... so I noticed the formating was all damaged
[13:47] <marcoagpinto> http://proofingtoolgui.org/proofingtoolgui_files/Ciberterrorismo_slides_VersFinal.pdf
[13:47] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:47] <marcoagpinto> I will place a PDF with the PhD after the defence too
[13:47] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: I am going to the bathroom and go back and look at the PDF file.
[13:47] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: oki
[13:48] <marcoagpinto> I am going to rest a bit soon... just waiting for mum to exit the bathroom
[13:48] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:48] <marcoagpinto> she takes two hours in the bathroom :p
[13:48] <marcoagpinto> lol
[14:00] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Well-designed. This design reminds me of old things. However, the content is in Spanish.
[14:03] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: in Portuguese, you mean
[14:03] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:03] <marcoagpinto> but the PhD slides will be in English
[14:04] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK. Thanks for correcting me, though.
[14:15] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaa... the PhD slides look so good... I just wish I finish the course to make them public
[14:15] <marcoagpinto> :(
[14:18] <EoflaOE> I hope that you finish everything.
[14:47] <marcoagpinto> nap time... bbl... take care everyone
[14:47] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:48] <akem__> Bon appetite :)
[14:48] <EoflaOE> Take care marcoagpinto
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> anyone ordered lubuntu trolls?
[15:26] <lordcirth_> lotuspsychje, ?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> lordcirth_: dollarwoman repeating xubuntu vs lubuntu polls all day now :p
[15:27] <lordcirth_> Ah
[15:27] <EoflaOE> So many trolls these days lotuspsychje.
[15:27] <lordcirth_> I don't think it's a troll, just flailing.
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: sure is
[15:28] <OerHeks> running ubuntu on a doorstopper?
[15:30] <lordcirth_> Yup. ESL, little technical knowledge, ancient hardware. Fairly common profile for flailing about.
[15:31] <OerHeks> so sad if that old machine catches fire..
[15:48] <EoflaOE> I have my old machine that survived from years, but the hard drive will fail after ~3 years
[16:00] <pizzaiolo> i'm on my second battery on my xps 13
[16:00] <pizzaiolo> first one expanded after about 2.5 years
[16:01] <daftykins> sounds like bad luck
[16:01] <pizzaiolo> daftykins i think it might be more than that, there's a couple of reported cases
[16:02] <daftykins> that doesn't make any sense, because there'd be a lot sold versus 'a couple' gone wrong :)
[17:35] <akemhp> My old Thinkpad hinge broke on the plastic part it's screwed on, they are not so solid in fact...
[17:43] <akemhp> They look sturdy, but in thoses places where it's very important it's not so good.
[17:43] <akemhp> Anyway i'll get another one, same model soon i think.
[18:55] <marcoagpinto> Stairway to heaven!!!! The greatest song in the world!!!
[19:09] <daftykins> hmm that happened on a client's son's Ideapad, which are definitely cheap versus thinkpads... plastic mounted onto metal
[19:09] <daftykins> i found a cheap case online and fixed it up, but he seems to have given up on the machine now
[19:09] <daftykins> very disappointing
[19:12] <akemhp> daftykins, yeah it sucks, since everything else is working on the machine. Might look for a case, but it's an old machine, and the plastic is not very time proof apparently.
[19:24] <daftykins> should be pretty cheap, that's the good thing about thinkpads... tonnes of spares around
[19:47] <akemhp> Yeah, it's about 15 euros.
[20:44] <JanC> I've had many laptops where a screen hinge broke
[20:45] <JanC> that didn't happen with laptops from 20-30 years ago, so it's not an impossible engineering problem...
[20:46] <akemhp> Cheap materials...weak attaches :/
[20:47] <JanC> it's not necessarily cheap materials, but maybe trying to make laptops lighter & thinner...
[20:47] <akemhp> Yeah, that too.
[20:47] <jeremyb> ham fisted owners
[20:47] <akemhp> THey want it as thin as possible.
[20:48] <JanC> you know, the "my laptop is 0.5mm thinner & 50g lighter than yours" stuff
[20:49] <JanC> I'd rather have it 0.5mm thicker & 100g heavier if it would actually survive more than 2 years  :)
[20:50] <jeremyb> with a built in parachute
[20:50] <JanC> no need for that; 1990s laptops didn't have that either
[20:51] <jeremyb> They could at least have a handle on them
[20:51] <JanC> I've only seen handles on some 1970s & 1980s laptops  :)
[20:52] <jeremyb> Those big old things
[20:52] <JanC> but those were suitcase-sized
[20:52] <jeremyb> spare tires on cars are smaller than what they were
[20:52] <daftykins> think i'm just gentle with my equipment
[20:54] <JanC> it's amazing that Xerox sold laptops with ethernet and a GUI OS in the 1970s though...
[20:54] <JanC> even if they sold them at $1mln or something like that  :-)
[20:56] <JanC> (I think they sold less than 10)
[22:10] <TJ-> someone give me a bug to fix! anything has got to be easier than having to read 140 pages on how setup and run a degree-level apprenticeship programme :s
[22:10] <jeremyb> rtl8812au-dkms with the messed up dkms/Makefile
[22:10] <TJ-> is that in the archive?
[22:12] <TJ-> I've got 3 alternatives here :)
[22:12] <jeremyb> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtl8812au/+bug/1820897
[22:12] <jeremyb> Link that fixes both https://launchpadlibrarian.net/330175838/rtl8812au-4.3.8.12175.20140902+dfsg.patch
[22:18] <TJ-> looks like the offered patch is intended to fix it but the user hasn't come back to confirm it solves the issue.
[22:18] <TJ-> I don't know why there isn't an autopkgtest for all DKMS to flag/reject poorly written Makefiles
[22:21] <jeremyb> TJ-: I just used the dkms.conf part of that before it was written, back in 2016 and it fixed the issue
[22:21] <jeremyb> -MAKE="'make' all"
[22:21] <jeremyb> +MAKE="'make' all KVER=$kernelver"
[22:21] <TJ-> That just needs the kernel team poking I think
[22:22] <jeremyb> The new module without the fix would always have the old kernel listed in the vermagic for the new kernel
[22:28] <TJ-> well not necessarily, it'd have the *running* kernel. Only changing dkms.conf in that rtl example shouldn't alter that since the Makefile is doing a simple expansion :=  not a conditional :? -- conditional assignment only applies if the variable isn't already defined
[22:35] <jeremyb> TJ-: I can just report what my results were.  The package as is if I updated a kernel from 4.15.0-35 to 4.15.0-36 the rtl8812au module in /lib/modules/4.15.0-36-generic would have vermagic 4.15.0-35-generic
[22:40] <TJ-> I realise that, what I'm getting at is that only changing dkms.conf shouldn't "fix" it since that only sets KVER... which in Makefile when it does "KVER  := $(shell uname -r)" (simple assignment) replaces what was set in dms.conf by the running kernel version. dkms.conf change needs the "KVER  ?= $(shell uname -r)" in Makefile which is the conditional assignment (only if KVER wasn't set on the 'make'
[22:40] <TJ-> command line)
[22:46] <jeremyb> TJ-: It confuses me as I made dkms packaged prior to Ubuntu 16.04 that worked without a lot of this and it seems to be needed now.
[22:49] <TJ-> I think it may be due to changes in DKMS' plumbing
[22:49] <jeremyb> Some major changes
[22:51] <jeremyb> TJ-: I see you are active in #ubuntu right now, so I will leave for now
[22:53] <TJ-> I see a couple of patches that might be implicated, 0013 and 0016