[02:08] good morning [05:47] Hello [05:52] next month's 19.10!!!!!!!!!! [05:52] >:) [05:52] I can hardly wait [06:31] Good morning [06:41] lordievader: morning! [06:41] >:) [06:41] 👋 [06:41] I have been up since 4am working on the GB speller [06:41] :) [06:42] it is a hard job but someone has to do it [06:54] good morning [06:55] hey hey [06:55] :) [06:56] \o [11:47] Hi folks [11:59] BluesKaj!!! Hello!!! [11:59] >:) [11:59] it is the cola demon here [12:01] Hi marcoagpinto, yes I'm aware of that [12:04] Hey BluesKaj, marcoagpinto. [12:04] akemlenovo!!!! :) [12:05] hi akemlenovo [12:06] the weekend is soon and I am becoming stressed already [12:06] :) [12:06] lol [12:06] I have been stressed for months, so no big news [12:07] too much cola ! [12:07] :) [12:48] I will never understand why people still think you can just willy nilly remove services on boot to speed up a system... 45 seconds... oh noes... I can't wait a whole 45 seconds for my machine to boot, i might like get distracted by a newspaper or go for a walk [12:48] /sarcasm [12:49] Hello everyone and marcoagpinto [12:49] EoflaOE!!!! Hello! [12:49] Hello! How are you marcoagpinto? [12:50] stressed... and you? [12:50] :p [12:50] Doing fine [12:52] marcoagpinto: Any news about the GB speller, and others? [12:52] yes, I have been adding words since 4am [12:52] :) [12:53] then, I decided to commit the daily changes to GitHub [12:53] https://github.com/marcoagpinto/aoo-mozilla-en-dict [12:53] Nice. I will check the repo. [12:53] "7 hours ago" [12:53] ohhhhhh... 7 hours ago? I can't remember how many it was [12:53] :p [12:56] marcoagpinto: Nice folder scheme. I hope that all spelling checkers will use yours. If I got time, I will look to improve it. [12:56] :) [12:56] it is already in LibreOffice, so Ubuntu uses it [12:56] :) [12:57] at least if the language pack is installed [12:58] marcoagpinto: OK. === gry_ is now known as gry [13:11] https://i.imgur.com/IkgnM0b.png <- the 2018 oldest wordlist is still being viewed massively... people want to know if I am cheating [13:11] :) [13:14] this month statistics [13:14] :) [13:15] marcoagpinto: Nice. By the way what software did you use to get statistics so I can do the same for my KS project? [13:16] EoflaOE: I don't use software... it appears in the options of the host provider [13:16] :) [13:16] I just click "view statistics" or whatever [13:16] :) [13:17] marcoagpinto: OK, and what host provider? [13:17] next to "upload files" or so [13:17] dotster [13:18] Good. [13:18] Have you seen the new Ubuntu wallpaper? [13:19] yes? last week or two weeks ago? [13:19] :) [13:19] o/ [13:20] marcoagpinto: Last week approximately. [13:21] ahhhhhhhh [13:21] >:) [13:21] And hello pizzaiolo [13:21] hello pizzaiolo [13:21] marcoagpinto interesting project! [13:21] thanks [13:22] marcoagpinto: And what are your thoughts about this new wallpaper? I might put the white and black version of the wallpaper on my blog background, because text are gray, but I will have to save it as draft first to see if the text colors would make reading hard or not. [13:23] EoflaOE: could you tell me the url again? [13:23] >:) [13:24] marcoagpinto: https://eofla.wordpress.com/ [13:24] EoflaOE: it looks very good, but grey text is hard to see... can't you make the text black? [13:27] marcoagpinto: Using the current theme, no. Also, only some premium themes have text color changing feature. [13:27] ohhhhhhh [13:29] sorry to hear that [13:30] regarding the English spellers, I only commit them to Gerrit every six months (for each new LibreOffice upgrade), so I will only commit them on 1-NOV for LibreOffice 6.4 to be released in January [13:30] they means that people are always outdated, except if they download and install the .oxt manually [13:31] it seems that backporting the spellers give too much trouble :( [13:31] that is what I was told [13:31] they mean=this means* [13:34] marcoagpinto: OK. Nice. [13:35] what this means is that if you upgrade to LibreOffice 6.4 in January you will have Nov'2019 version :( [13:35] 6 months outdated [13:35] :(((((((( [13:36] ops? [13:36] wrong calculations? [13:36] only 2 months outdated? [13:36] Nov, Dec, Jan [13:36] my brain is all toasted... [13:37] I can't think properly [13:39] marcoagpinto: OK. Do you know there are PowerPoint operating systems (a slideshow that represents the design and concept of the OS)? [13:39] no [13:41] marcoagpinto: They use "Go to next slide after" feature, macros, shapes, images, and everything. In the end, this is just a presentation that runs like an OS. [13:41] ohhhhhh [13:41] :) [13:42] to my thesis defence, I will have the powerpoint file plus a PDF with them [13:42] :) [13:42] in case the room's Office damages the formating [13:43] like it happened in the Military Academy in 2012 [13:43] :) [13:43] I had a normal powerpoint file (not .x) and it got all damaged [13:43] so, at home I printed to PDF and used the PDF [13:43] I didn't risk to create a .x [13:43] :) [13:44] but now the slides are 16:9 and I have made some tests and there is a lot of blank space in each page [13:45] marcoagpinto: Yes. Sadly, PowerPoint OS's are the lowest priority of mine, because I don't work on them oftenly. [13:45] ahhh.. they let me go to the room before the defence.. two or so days before... so I noticed the formating was all damaged [13:47] http://proofingtoolgui.org/proofingtoolgui_files/Ciberterrorismo_slides_VersFinal.pdf [13:47] :) [13:47] I will place a PDF with the PhD after the defence too [13:47] marcoagpinto: I am going to the bathroom and go back and look at the PDF file. [13:47] EoflaOE: oki [13:48] I am going to rest a bit soon... just waiting for mum to exit the bathroom [13:48] :) [13:48] she takes two hours in the bathroom :p [13:48] lol [14:00] marcoagpinto: Well-designed. This design reminds me of old things. However, the content is in Spanish. [14:03] EoflaOE: in Portuguese, you mean [14:03] :) [14:03] but the PhD slides will be in English [14:04] marcoagpinto: OK. Thanks for correcting me, though. [14:15] Buaaaaaaaaaaaa... the PhD slides look so good... I just wish I finish the course to make them public [14:15] :( [14:18] I hope that you finish everything. [14:47] nap time... bbl... take care everyone [14:47] :) [14:48] Bon appetite :) [14:48] Take care marcoagpinto [15:26] anyone ordered lubuntu trolls? [15:26] lotuspsychje, ? [15:27] lordcirth_: dollarwoman repeating xubuntu vs lubuntu polls all day now :p [15:27] Ah [15:27] So many trolls these days lotuspsychje. [15:27] I don't think it's a troll, just flailing. [15:27] EoflaOE: sure is [15:28] running ubuntu on a doorstopper? [15:30] Yup. ESL, little technical knowledge, ancient hardware. Fairly common profile for flailing about. [15:31] so sad if that old machine catches fire.. [15:48] I have my old machine that survived from years, but the hard drive will fail after ~3 years [16:00] i'm on my second battery on my xps 13 [16:00] first one expanded after about 2.5 years [16:01] sounds like bad luck [16:01] daftykins i think it might be more than that, there's a couple of reported cases [16:02] that doesn't make any sense, because there'd be a lot sold versus 'a couple' gone wrong :) [17:35] My old Thinkpad hinge broke on the plastic part it's screwed on, they are not so solid in fact... [17:43] They look sturdy, but in thoses places where it's very important it's not so good. [17:43] Anyway i'll get another one, same model soon i think. === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [18:55] Stairway to heaven!!!! The greatest song in the world!!! [19:09] hmm that happened on a client's son's Ideapad, which are definitely cheap versus thinkpads... plastic mounted onto metal [19:09] i found a cheap case online and fixed it up, but he seems to have given up on the machine now [19:09] very disappointing [19:12] daftykins, yeah it sucks, since everything else is working on the machine. Might look for a case, but it's an old machine, and the plastic is not very time proof apparently. [19:24] should be pretty cheap, that's the good thing about thinkpads... tonnes of spares around [19:47] Yeah, it's about 15 euros. [20:44] I've had many laptops where a screen hinge broke [20:45] that didn't happen with laptops from 20-30 years ago, so it's not an impossible engineering problem... [20:46] Cheap materials...weak attaches :/ [20:47] it's not necessarily cheap materials, but maybe trying to make laptops lighter & thinner... [20:47] Yeah, that too. [20:47] ham fisted owners [20:47] THey want it as thin as possible. [20:48] you know, the "my laptop is 0.5mm thinner & 50g lighter than yours" stuff [20:49] I'd rather have it 0.5mm thicker & 100g heavier if it would actually survive more than 2 years :) [20:50] with a built in parachute [20:50] no need for that; 1990s laptops didn't have that either [20:51] They could at least have a handle on them [20:51] I've only seen handles on some 1970s & 1980s laptops :) [20:52] Those big old things [20:52] but those were suitcase-sized [20:52] spare tires on cars are smaller than what they were [20:52] think i'm just gentle with my equipment [20:54] it's amazing that Xerox sold laptops with ethernet and a GUI OS in the 1970s though... [20:54] even if they sold them at $1mln or something like that :-) [20:56] (I think they sold less than 10) [22:10] someone give me a bug to fix! anything has got to be easier than having to read 140 pages on how setup and run a degree-level apprenticeship programme :s [22:10] rtl8812au-dkms with the messed up dkms/Makefile [22:10] is that in the archive? [22:12] I've got 3 alternatives here :) [22:12] TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtl8812au/+bug/1820897 [22:12] Launchpad bug 1820897 in rtl8812au (Ubuntu) "USB wifi adapter module does not work after version update" [Undecided,New] [22:12] Link that fixes both https://launchpadlibrarian.net/330175838/rtl8812au-4.3.8.12175.20140902+dfsg.patch [22:18] looks like the offered patch is intended to fix it but the user hasn't come back to confirm it solves the issue. [22:18] I don't know why there isn't an autopkgtest for all DKMS to flag/reject poorly written Makefiles [22:21] TJ-: I just used the dkms.conf part of that before it was written, back in 2016 and it fixed the issue [22:21] -MAKE="'make' all" [22:21] +MAKE="'make' all KVER=$kernelver" [22:21] That just needs the kernel team poking I think [22:22] The new module without the fix would always have the old kernel listed in the vermagic for the new kernel [22:28] well not necessarily, it'd have the *running* kernel. Only changing dkms.conf in that rtl example shouldn't alter that since the Makefile is doing a simple expansion := not a conditional :? -- conditional assignment only applies if the variable isn't already defined [22:35] TJ-: I can just report what my results were. The package as is if I updated a kernel from 4.15.0-35 to 4.15.0-36 the rtl8812au module in /lib/modules/4.15.0-36-generic would have vermagic 4.15.0-35-generic [22:40] I realise that, what I'm getting at is that only changing dkms.conf shouldn't "fix" it since that only sets KVER... which in Makefile when it does "KVER := $(shell uname -r)" (simple assignment) replaces what was set in dms.conf by the running kernel version. dkms.conf change needs the "KVER ?= $(shell uname -r)" in Makefile which is the conditional assignment (only if KVER wasn't set on the 'make' [22:40] command line) [22:46] TJ-: It confuses me as I made dkms packaged prior to Ubuntu 16.04 that worked without a lot of this and it seems to be needed now. [22:49] I think it may be due to changes in DKMS' plumbing [22:49] Some major changes [22:51] TJ-: I see you are active in #ubuntu right now, so I will leave for now [22:53] I see a couple of patches that might be implicated, 0013 and 0016