=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash
[15:53] <xubiand> hi
[15:55] <xubiand> can somebody please help me? since yesterday my boot partition is to small for an upgrade. i already deleted all the old kernels but it's still too small. next i tried to enlarge my boot partition. in order to do that i wanted to make my primary partition smaller - so i booted xubuntu 18.04 from a usb stick and installed kde partition manager. unfortunately i could not resize the main partition at all.
[15:57] <xubiand> im using xubuntu 18.04 and my main partition is encrypted. of course i decrypted it in kde partition manager but in spite of this i could not resize it :/
[16:04] <genii> A temporary fix is to use a USB stick which is larger than the /boot partition, copy all files in your current one over to it, preserving permissions etc, then bindmount it to your existing /boot, do the upgrade,. When finished, unmount it and copy any files which are newer or changed back to the existing partition ( if they all fit )
[16:12] <xubiand> ok thanks, i'll give it a try
[20:04] <nikolam> what xfce theme you use to make lower edge of windows "normal" to they could be widen with mouse cursor normally...
[20:05] <nikolam> It is much irritating to have such stupid theme in Xubuntu for years, that disables easy resizing window form the bottom right edge
[20:07] <brainwash> nikolam: there is a variant of Greybird with wider borders
[20:09] <nikolam> oh, that would be nice. Also would be nice to be default
[20:13] <nikolam> what greybird does the job https://www.xfce-look.org/search/projectSearchText/greybird
[20:16] <brainwash> nikolam: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/issues/51
[20:16] <brainwash> it should be selectable via Xfce Settings > Window Manager
[20:18] <brainwash> there may be a custom variant made also
[20:19] <brainwash> unofficial one I mean
[20:19] <nikolam> bah now on 19.04 I select Icons theme and every time it auto-selects last one on the list, "Ubuntu Mono Light" icon theme,,
[20:20] <Spass> nikolam, Greybird-accessibility should be installed by default, about your second issue, do you have two Appearance settings window opened at the same time maybe?
[20:21] <Spass> nikolam, also in case you didn't know that already, you can change the window size by holding Alt (by default) and clicking RMB on the window and drag it
[20:24] <nikolam> https://mega.nz/#!yQZDWCJT!Qy1p9sGspVcG8WHyyI-0chydXTkr-s1MNp-qYCbZVew
[20:24] <Spass> but I agree that the issue with resizing is kind of hard to deal with sometimes, I got used to it (I really like thin borders), plus, top corners are usually easier to "grab" and resize a window
[20:31] <nikolam> I don't see what's there to like about thin brders, when they create an issue with resizing
[20:32] <nikolam> I am using some sort of windowing system for almost 25 years and I never saw anyone use upper part of window to resize
[20:33] <nikolam> Greybird-accessibility I think is not installed by default
[20:33] <Spass> and you're looking in the Window Manager settings or in the Appearance settings?
[20:34] <nikolam> Yes, it seems it is artefact of having 2 appearance windows opened at the same time, really strange bug
[20:35] <nikolam> I still think it is insane to disable normal disk resizing by thin corners in all themes. I think many novel users to Linux or Ubuntu or non-MS windows desktop in general could be turned down from the platform with this.
[20:36] <brainwash> luckily, you can easily switch to a different theme
[20:38] <nikolam> yes, but all themes installed by default are aether damaged by the thin lower parts of windows or look rediculous
[20:38] <nikolam> That defautl pretty much is useless
[20:38] <nikolam> I can't imagine what it the real use of thin window border, but to create problems
[20:38] <nikolam> we have 22 inch monitors these days and few pixels count?.. I don't get it
[20:39] <brainwash> it looks nicer according to the creator
[20:39] <genii> Probably to maximize usable screen real estate on motors with resolutions like 640x480, 1024x768, etc
[20:39] <genii> motors/monitors
[20:39] <nikolam> Creator were drunk. For years. And it creates a huge resize bug, that is more important. Ok, I will need to report a bug , not brag a bout it.
[20:39]  * genii slaps autocorrect
[20:40] <Spass> I assume aesthetics play a big part here
[20:40] <nikolam> As i remember, that thin default started appearing somewhere aroun 2014.. so.. no practical use
[20:40] <brainwash> note that in Xfce 4.14 the default theme has 4px borders and also offers variants for hidpi
[20:40] <Spass> you'll probably find an open bug report about that issue on the Bugzilla
[20:40] <nikolam> Aestetics should be secondary to functionality. I think MS windows also have thin borders but don
[20:41] <nikolam> t have trouble with resizing
[20:41] <brainwash> yes, it uses invisible borders
[20:41] <brainwash> same for gnome and kde I think
[20:41] <Spass> not in the Bugzilla, Launchpad, since it's not in Xfce by default
[20:42] <brainwash> Spass: maybe you should just link it
[20:42] <nikolam> OK, I won't brag more about it, it is frustrating, thin borders are useless.
[20:42] <Spass> I'll try to find it
[20:44] <Spass> here for example - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1056978
[20:44] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1056978 in Xfwm4 "Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult" [Medium,Won't fix]
[20:45] <Spass> but it has "Won't fix", so probably there's another one, about Xubuntu defaults specifically
[20:45] <Spass> well… "The thin window borders are still a design decision which will not be changed."
[20:47] <Spass> I guess this discussion will be reoccurring from time to time among the Xubuntu devs
[20:47] <Spass> so for now, the simple solution is to change the theme
[20:50] <Spass> upstream report - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11808
[20:50] <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11808 in General "Xfwm: Increase the resize border of windows" [Normal,New]
[20:52] <nikolam> I still think one that started shipping thin borders theme in Xubuntu was an Microsoft agent.. :)
[20:52] <nikolam> Yes, change default theme, that might be the sane choice.
[20:55] <Spass> thanks for your feedback, next time the Xubuntu Team will discuss that subject they'll definitely take all user feedback under consideration
[20:56] <nikolam> Thanks
[20:56] <nikolam> I am on Xubuntu since 07.04 hope that counts.
[20:57] <Spass> long-time user, nice
[20:58] <nikolam> still first to do is I install Synaptic.. of course :P
[21:01] <Spass> heh, there's two of us then, I'm not a fan of GNOME Software, and I like to have a GUI to manage/search packages
[21:03] <Spass> anyway, there should be a Xubuntu Team meeting in some time, so if I'll be around I'll try to mention that 1px border issue again
[21:04] <Spass> (I'm not in the Team, but I'll try to suggest that topic to discuss)
[21:16] <brainwash> Spass: don't waste your time
[21:18] <nikolam> In Windows manager settings, Daloa seems to be fixing resize issue, not Greybird-accessibility.
[21:21] <Spass> brainwash, I assume it was discussed recently / many times and there's no reason to talk about it?
[21:22] <brainwash> yes
[21:28] <remline> Alt + Right click is superior to window borders anyway ;)
[21:29] <saor> ^ this guy xfce's
[21:29] <saor> border-only wm theme and live that minimal life
[21:32] <nikolam> remline, new users or even long time ones don't know that. they just know xubuntu has a bug for years. Thin border is not worth that.
[21:32] <nikolam> Daloa seems ok
[21:41] <remline> nikolam, indeed, I had to search around for that when I started with Xubuntu.