[01:54] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @linux debian [if anyone want to try to port the Linux ubuntu touch to their cell phones, i fou …], Glad you found it
[01:56] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @dohbee [Ask the bootloader], How?
[01:56] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> found the guide .. but stuck with the "Adding your device-specific source"
[01:57] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> Yes you would need the codename
[01:58] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> Hey! Before I forget, do all you samsung users know you can screenshot by swiping your hand acrsoss whole screen? Yeah. I like that. I want that. Just wanted that idea in the written record :)
[01:59] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/QGAhryID.mp4
[01:59] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> HMMMM .. i want to burn the phone .. like this
[01:59] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> Try searching for "Samsung Galaxy Grand NEO Plus - GT-I9060I codename"
[02:00] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> @wayneoutthere [Hey! Before I forget, do all you samsung users know you can screenshot by swipin …], Swiping the volume rocker is cooler
[02:01] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> Yeah... Maybe there is a similar but cooler way we can do it.
[02:01] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> @Fuseteam [Yes you would need the codename], the full name is : … Samsung Galaxy Grand NEO Plus - GT-I9060I … the code name is : … GT-i9060i   = as a model number
[02:07] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> can't we just  … =use the ubuntu touch image > … =burn it on a micro sd card OR use the linux that been installed on a laptop > … =boot from there > … =wipe EVERYTHING > … =choose a password > … =install ubuntu > … =remove or unmount micro sd card … =DONE
[02:09] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> i really don't mind breaking my phone
[02:21] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> HA HA .. found it
[02:22] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> https://github.com/knuxdroid/android_device_samsung_baffinlite
[02:22] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> [ …     { …         "repository": "android_packages_apps_SamsungServiceMode", …         "target_path": "packages/apps/SamsungServiceMode" …     }, …     { …         "repository": "android_hardware_samsung", …         "target_path": "hardware/samsung" …     } … ]
[03:01] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> @wayneoutthere [Hey! Before I forget, do all you samsung users know you can screenshot by swipin …], That is a nifty feature, did you know you can also flip it over while someone is calling you and it stops ringing
[03:02] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> @Shakendo [That is a nifty feature, did you know you can also flip it over while someone is …], 😂
[03:47] <ubptgbot> mibisoa was added by: mibisoa
[03:48] <ubptgbot> <mibisoa> Hey can I get support for Ubuntu touch is for A5 2017
[04:31] <ubptgbot> <absdroid> Is there a working and supported port for any Samsung phone?
[04:53] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> there doesn't seem a way to delete calendars in the calendar app or am I missing something?
[05:30] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @Shakendo [That is a nifty feature, did you know you can also flip it over while someone is …], that also is awesome. I wonder if we can do the same thing but with a '6 shooter in the belt holster' move
[05:33] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> @wayneoutthere [that also is awesome. I wonder if we can do the same thing but with a '6 shooter …], Not gonna lie, thatd be totally awesome
[05:35] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> (Voice, 5s) https://irc.ubports.com/QjXlgRRu.oga
[06:45] <ubptgbot> <secularcelt> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/SHoLSqot.png
[07:42] <ubptgbot> KrishAk was added by: KrishAk
[10:18] <ubptgbot> <Danfro> @Javacookies [there doesn't seem a way to delete calendars in the calendar app or am I missing …], No there isn't. But I am quite sure there is an issue foe that already.
[12:42] <ubptgbot> <pjk2012> @mibisoa @absdroid List of supported devices is here. Follow the link at the end of the list if you want to port your own phone: … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ … Check here to see if your phone already has a port in progress: … https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues … Visit this link for further resources: … https://ubport
[12:42] <ubptgbot> s.com/meet-the-community
[12:53] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> @pjk2012 [@mibisoa @absdroid List of supported devices is here. Follow the link at the end …], samsung galaxy Grand Neo Plus GT-I9060I
[13:05] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> Why are you repeating the model name of your phone
[13:40] <ubptgbot> <samzn> @linux debian [samsung galaxy Grand Neo Plus GT-I9060I], Gesundheit
[13:45] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @YougoChats [Just lost my libertine container], I know this happened over a year ago, but I have a fix which should work if this fate should befall your container again :)
[13:51] <ubptgbot> Pling was added by: Pling
[13:53] <ubptgbot> <Pling> Hey UBports-Friends, did somebody have a UE Boom or Megaboom connected to you phone or is this not yet supported?
[14:01] <ubptgbot> <Fuseteam> what is that?
[14:23] <ubptgbot> <YougoChats> BT speakers should work I think
[14:24] <ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @TartanSpartan [I know this happened over a year ago, but I have a fix which should work if this …], Please remind me, what was this about again?😅
[14:35] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> @Fuseteam [Why are you repeating the model name of your phone], simply .. to find someone to help, i couldn't do it cuz of lots of dependencies and code names .. that's why
[14:45] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Pling [Hey UBports-Friends, did somebody have a UE Boom or Megaboom connected to you ph …], depending on what Bluetooth version is required by them, and what version your device supports, they should work for streaming media, but there are some issues with bluetooth devices and calling currently. also you can't use their app or alexa stuf
[14:45] <ubptgbot> f
[14:46] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @linux debian [simply .. to find someone to help, i couldn't do it cuz of lots of dependencies …], if you want more help with porting, you'd do better to join https://t.me/halium instead. and please don't just randomly state your device name. if you need help with something, be specific. just randomly shouting out your device is a bit rude
[14:46] <ubptgbot>  and won't get you very far
[14:49] <ubptgbot> <Pling> @YougoChats [BT speakers should work I think], It appears, but if I click on it nothing happened
[14:51] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> @dohbee [if you want more help with porting, you'd do better to join https://t.me/halium …], ok .. i am sorry for being rude or a bit rude .. 😊
[15:00] <ubptgbot> <Pling> @dohbee [depending on what Bluetooth version is required by them, and what version your d …], Can't find the Bluetooth requirement on their homepage.  My phone is a Meizu 5 pro
[15:01] <ubptgbot> <Pling> No need for their app ... Alexa is no go for me
[15:06] <ubptgbot> <Pling> Can I install or improve something over the command line?
[15:22] <ubptgbot> <pjk2012> @linux debian [simply .. to find someone to help, i couldn't do it cuz of lots of dependencies …], Sorry. There is no LineageOS build for your Samsung, so a halium port is not possible. I would suggest you get a secondhand Nexus 5, One Plus One, or Meizu Pro 5. The Nexus would be the cheapest, the Meizu the most powerful.
[15:28] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> @pjk2012 [Sorry. There is no LineageOS build for your Samsung, so a halium port is not pos …], thanks .. i do appreciated 👍
[15:32] <ubptgbot> <pjk2012> @linux debian [thanks .. i do appreciated 👍], Good luck
[15:33] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @pjk2012 [Sorry. There is no LineageOS build for your Samsung, so a halium port is not pos …], that is not true. a lineage port makes porting easier, but it is not an absolute requirement
[15:34] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Pling [Can I install or improve something over the command line?], no, if it can't connect then the problem is likely not so trivial
[15:36] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> @dohbee [that is not true. a lineage port makes porting easier, but it is not an absolute …], Have the lineage port is much easier than no port, but at the same time you are correct, depends on how badly they want UT on their device
[15:45] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> @dohbee [that is not true. a lineage port makes porting easier, but it is not an absolute …], i know and u r right .. … if i argue > i will be "a bit rude" … if i don't argue > then i need someone to help … HMMM .. what to do ? … hehehehe
[16:13] <ubptgbot> <Waldbursche> Hi, i have 2 devices OneplusOne with UT 16.04 dev and desktop on my workstation is kubuntu 18.04  … Device 1: I flashed to edge with the upports installer (snap) without problems. … Device 2: I tried to flash to edge and it hang with "WAITING FOR DEVICE TO ENTER RECOVERY MODE" and the OPO screen shows the UBportsRecoveryScreen.  … - a
[16:13] <ubptgbot> db devices shows the device … - there are no tcp port working unless the tcp:5038 … I try'd the deb, AppImage and snap-version. … There are any idea what to do? Thanks
[16:16] <ubptgbot> <Waldbursche> [Edit] Hi, i have 2 devices OneplusOne with UT 16.04 dev and desktop on my workstation is kubuntu 18.04  … Device 1: I flashed to edge with the upports installer (snap) without problems. … Device 2: I tried to flash to edge and it hang with "WAITING FOR DEVICE TO ENTER RECOVERY MODE" and the OPO screen shows the UBportsRecoveryScreen.
[16:16] <ubptgbot>  The phone is detected and the switch from fastboot to recovery by use the installer is working. than it hangs and shows the message. … - adb devices shows the device … - there are no tcp port working unless the tcp:5038 … I try'd the deb, AppImage and snap-version. … There are any idea what to do? Thanks
[16:17] <ubptgbot> <Waldbursche> [Edit] Hi, i have 2 devices OneplusOne with UT 16.04 dev and desktop on my workstation is kubuntu 18.04  … Device 1: I flashed to edge with the upports installer (snap) without problems. … Same pc and device 2: I tried to flash to edge and it hang with "WAITING FOR DEVICE TO ENTER RECOVERY MODE" and the OPO screen shows the UBportsRec
[16:17] <ubptgbot> overyScreen. The phone is detected and the switch from fastboot to recovery by use the installer is working. than it hangs and shows the message. … - adb devices shows the device … - there are no tcp port working unless the tcp:5038 … I try'd the deb, AppImage and snap-version. … There are any idea what to do? Thanks
[16:22] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @linux debian [i know and u r right .. … if i argue > i will be "a bit rude" … if i don't argue > t …], ask for help respectfully and in the appropriate place. don't be demanding or annoying/repetitive about it
[16:23] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> Yawn, still thining about getting a refurb nexus 5
[16:23] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> i really like the design
[16:24] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> yeah Nexus 5 is a great device but just be wary of the power button 😅
[16:25] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> The construction i discovered is very weak if you're going to be taking it apart
[16:25] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> @Waldbursche [Hi, i have 2 devices OneplusOne with UT 16.04 dev and desktop on my workstation …], Try unplugging the cable then plugging it back in, could be just that simple
[16:25] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> i broke the same part on my new assembly as on the old one
[16:26] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> @MrFlyback [The construction i discovered is very weak if you're going to be taking it apart], My N5 is in a case that covers the buttons and gives them a more tactile feel, I havent had any issues with it so far
[16:26] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> the thin plastic part above the slot for the sim holder
[16:27] <ubptgbot> <Waldbursche> @Shakendo [Try unplugging the cable then plugging it back in, could be just that simple], During the hanging process or to start e new install  event?
[16:28] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> When its "stuck" try it after a few minutes, I have had an issue where adb sees it but it is reported offline or unauthorized and just doing that resolves it
[16:32] <ubptgbot> <Waldbursche> @Shakendo [When its "stuck" try it after a few minutes, I have had an issue where adb sees …], I try it during the stucking process once i waiting a few minutes without relaunch the installer? Did you mean so?
[16:33] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> Indeed, just unplug the cable and plug it back in, if thay doesnt work then you may want to ask for help in the welcome group
[16:34] <ubptgbot> <Waldbursche> okay , thanks 👍🏼
[16:35] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> This is the welcome group … @WelcomePlus
[16:38] <ubptgbot> <linux debian> @dohbee [ask for help respectfully and in the appropriate place. don't be demanding or an …], point taken .. thank u anyway 😊
[17:57] <ubptgbot> Fuozia was added by: Fuozia
[19:58] <ubptgbot> Christian was added by: Christian
[20:01] <hallyn> say, who runs the ubuntu push service?
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> @YougoChats [Please remind me, what was this about again?😅], Taking proactive defence against the prospect of a Libertine container crashing (*seemingly* but not actually so that it seems to be irrecoverable).
[20:28] <ubptgbot> <TotalSonic> All of a sudden my SIM card and Micro SD card are no longer being detected for my Meizu Pro 5.  Things were working fine last night.  I tried restarting, and reseating the cards, and I also tried just moving the SIM card to the other slot as well - but nothing.  Anything else I should try in trouble shooting?  Super sad as I really lov
[20:28] <ubptgbot> e this phone and use it as my daily driver, and haven't had this one for that long.  I do have a OnePlus One available as a backup though.
[20:28] <ubptgbot> <TotalSonic> [Edit] All of a sudden my SIM card and Micro SD card are no longer being detected for my Meizu Pro 5.  Things were working fine last night.  I tried restarting, and reseating the cards, and I also tried just moving the SIM card to the other slot as well - but nothing.  Anything else I should try in trouble shooting?  Super sad as I rea
[20:28] <ubptgbot> lly love this phone and use it as my daily driver, and haven't had this one for that long.  I do have a OnePlus One available as a backup though - but hoping I can figure this out
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <j2g2rp> maybe broken sd card?
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <j2g2rp> sorry sim card
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <TotalSonic> @j2g2rp [maybe broken sd card?], Nope - I removed SD card and tried sim alone already
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <TotalSonic> @j2g2rp [sorry sim card], it is not detecting the SD card either
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <TotalSonic> will test the SIM card in my backup phone (OPO)
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <TotalSonic> ok - confirmed SIM card is working
[20:46] <ubptgbot> <YougoChats> @TartanSpartan [Taking proactive defence against the prospect of a Libertine container crashing …], It hasn’t happened since, but proactive is good :-) sharing is also good
[21:06] <ubptgbot> Xixses was added by: Xixses
[21:07] <ubptgbot> <Xixses> Hi  guys im new to ubporta
[21:07] <ubptgbot> <Xixses> Ports
[21:07] <ubptgbot> <Xixses> Quick question, can i install any  usual ubuntu things on it ?
[21:07] <ubptgbot> <Xixses> Like a web server
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Xixses> And actually connect to it from anywhere  with global ip (not 192.168.... )
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Xixses> Terminal and everything
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <Xixses> I wanna know if its very different from ubuntu or kinda same but in pocket
[21:14] <ubptgbot> <Xixses> Also possible to install on sm-n9005 (note 3 europe hlte 4g)
[21:14] <ubptgbot> <Xixses> ?
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> UT is not the same as Ubuntu, the stuff the desktop can do can not be replicated as easily on Ubuntu Touch. As far as whether or not your note 3 is ported, its not an official device, but someone could be porting it, if not you are more than welcome to do so yourself
[21:21] <nerdcore> is there a way to access a shell on my ubtouch device over USB?
[21:21] <nerdcore> not adb I'm guessing :P
[21:25] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> Adb shell will get you a bash shell, but it wont work exactly the same as an ssh shell, if its a device you ported then you just have to ssh in after making sure the RNDIS interface is configured
[21:27] <nerdcore> what is RNDIS?
[21:28] <nerdcore> when I did `adb devices` it showed nothing but I'll check System Settings and try again
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> RNDIS is a network interface that UT uses over usb
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> It will show in dmesg when you plug in your device if it using that interface
[21:38] <nerdcore> ah ok ty
[21:48] <nerdcore> still a bit confused; I plug in USB and `adb devices` shows empty, and I don't see any helpful options in System Settings to enable the bridge
[21:49] <nerdcore> am I just not looking in the right place?
[21:50] <nerdcore> hmm enabled "Developer Mode" and still nothing
[22:03] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @hallyn [say, who runs the ubuntu push service?], UBports does
[22:04] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Shakendo [Adb shell will get you a bash shell, but it wont work exactly the same as an ssh …], rndis has nothing to do with shells
[22:05] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> if you want ssh over usb, find the `phablet-shell` script in the files for this group and use that
[22:05] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> @dohbee [rndis has nothing to do with shells], I didnt say rndis was a shell, i said one can get a ssh shell over it
[22:07] <nerdcore> when I connect using USB I get the device's storage as a mtp:// mount. How do I get ssh via RNDIS networking instead?
[22:07] <nerdcore> i'd much prefer that :D
[22:07] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Shakendo [I didnt say rndis was a shell, i said one can get a ssh shell over it], no, rndis is completely unrelated. there is nothing one needs to do with rndis to get a shell. rndis is for using your phone as the wireless network adapter over USB
[22:08] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @nerdcore [when I connect using USB I get the device's storage as a mtp:// mount. How do I …], you don't. pay not attention to rndis
[22:08] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> do as i said. find the `phablet-shell` script in the files of this group, and you can use it to ssh-over-usb
[22:10] <nerdcore> dohbee: what do you mean "in the files of this group"? What group?
[22:13] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @nerdcore [dohbee: what do you mean "in the files of this group"? What group?], in the telegram group
[22:13] <nerdcore> lolwut
[22:13]  * nerdcore is not signing up for Telegram
[22:14] <nerdcore> it's not on github.com ?
[22:15] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no. it's from the `phablet-tools` package in Ubuntu 16.04, which is on launchpad.net
[22:15] <nerdcore> ok cool ty
[22:18] <nerdcore> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dGYhXBHxVx/
[22:18] <nerdcore> i get Permission Denied (publickey) by localhost:2222 ?
[22:19] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> odd. can you `adb shell`?
[22:22] <nerdcore> I can now, which I could not before
[22:22] <nerdcore> thats a step in the right direction.
[22:23] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> hmm, phablet-shell should work then
[22:24] <nerdcore> ok well seems localhost:2222 is properly the ubtouch device (and not the host PC), and since I can `adb shell` now I can probably get my pubkey copy/pasted.
[22:26] <nerdcore> oh it picked up some other pubkey for which I dont have the associated privkey :P
[22:26] <nerdcore> hardcoded into the script and it worked :P
[22:26] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> flippin heck
[22:26] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> my brain
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> i'm gonna hate computers right now
[22:27] <nerdcore> this is nice. ty for the help dohbee
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> everyone hates computers
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> sure
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> Only having linux installed and trying to come up with some kind of live windows usb thing to install a bios update
[22:28] <ubptgbot> <MrFlyback> i tried forever
[22:29] <nerdcore> should I expect `apt` to work in ubtouch? ;)
[22:29] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @nerdcore [should I expect `apt` to work in ubtouch? ;)], no
[22:29] <nerdcore> shucks
[22:30] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> rootfs is readonly and apt is not supported means of installing apps nor upgrading the system
[22:35] <nerdcore> how about gcc? :) Is that available?
[22:36] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> you can create a libertine container for legacy apps, and to install CLI tools and such. then you can build things in the container, or do whatever
[22:37] <nerdcore> ok I'll read up on Libertine ty
[22:38] <nerdcore> how about a load average of > 2.0 when idling; is that "normal"? seems high.
[22:38] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no, it's not normal i guess
[22:43] <nerdcore> well it already feels a bit more comfortable to me than Android ever has. Glad I kept with it (2 days and counting) so far
[22:56] <hallyn> hm, now i can't connect to the sim card
[22:56] <hallyn> any cli to query?
[23:00] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> I just realized I don't have the answer to this question:  When you install UT in a 'default way' is the drive encrypted?
[23:01] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> ie - if you lose the device is it pretty hard to rip data out of it?
[23:03] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @wayneoutthere [I just realized I don't have the answer to this question:  When you install UT i …], no
[23:04] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @wayneoutthere [ie - if you lose the device is it pretty hard to rip data out of it?], no, it's very trivial
[23:06] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> hmm....
[23:06] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> 'that's not good'
[23:07] <nerdcore> now that I have phablet-shell working, is there a way I can interact with messaging-app via CLI to send/receive SMS?
[23:07] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> blame SoC makers
[23:07] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> but i suppose you shouldn't store sensitive data on it anyway, and you could securely sync up with something... to move files there and get off main device...
[23:07] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @nerdcore [now that I have phablet-shell working, is there a way I can interact with messag …], you can use the standard ofono scripts in `/usr/share/ofono` iirc
[23:07] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @dohbee [blame SoC makers], *searches acroynym*
[23:07] <nerdcore> System On Chip
[23:07] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> *high fives saved search*
[23:08] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> would pinephone be better in this way or 'could be'?
[23:08] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't know if pinephone/librem5 provide any hardware backed storage for an encryption key
[23:09] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> ... I thought I remembered some 'encrypt device' option in installer for UT but maybe that was just Ubuntu regular
[23:09] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> @dohbee [i don't know if pinephone/librem5 provide any hardware backed storage for an enc …], oh.....i guess i need to dig in again to see why this isn't 'just happening' and how it all works.  thanks for now.
[23:10] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @wayneoutthere [... I thought I remembered some 'encrypt device' option in installer for UT but …], definitely not for UT
[23:11] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @wayneoutthere [oh.....i guess i need to dig in again to see why this isn't 'just happening' and …], 1) because we don't have an OSK in recovery, so we can't easily use LUKS method right now. 2) because storing the key and encrypted data on the same medium, is not secure
[23:11] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> roger.  so a micro sd might work?
[23:12] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> so point is key to decrypt shouldn't exist on the same drive it's decrypting, correct?
[23:12] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> not if you want it to be secure, no
[23:12] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> roger.
[23:12] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> thx
[23:15] <hallyn> so keys for imap etc, you can use the in-kernel keychain to avoid having them in files on the phone, at least.  "it's something"
[23:17] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> yeah actually the cool thing about UT (I was excited to learn this way back and it's still true) is you can just plug a micro usb drive adaptor thing into the main USB hole and use any kind of USB drive (which can hold your keyes)
[23:17] <ubptgbot> <wayneoutthere> so if your device doesn't have microSD slot, doesn't matter. you can use that jack
[23:20] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @hallyn [so keys for imap etc, you can use the in-kernel keychain to avoid having them in …], and where does it store them exactly?
[23:20] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> and are you talking about kernel 3.4?
[23:20] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> or 5.3?
[23:21] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @wayneoutthere [so if your device doesn't have microSD slot, doesn't matter. you can use that ja …], not if the device doesn't support OTG you can't
[23:22] <hallyn> @dohbee - near as i can tell there is a user keyring but no session keyring.  afaik it's not lying and storing in a file :)
[23:22]  * hallyn looking around /usr/share/ofono/scripts - that's a lot of scripts.
[23:34] <ubptgbot> <Fourstring71> So, as I am going to be replacing my phone in a few weeks, which phone handles UT best? Thanks.
[23:44] <hallyn> *sigh* well this might put an end to the UT experiment for me for a bit (until i can get one of the new phones).
[23:44] <ubptgbot> <Pling> @dohbee [no, if it can't connect then the problem is likely not so trivial], Thank You
[23:46] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @hallyn [@dohbee - near as i can tell there is a user keyring but no session keyring.  af …], so doesn't sound very useful if it's not backed by secure storage :)
[23:50] <hallyn> @dohbee ?  the point is that if someone takes the phone (and power cycles it) the password isn't stored anywhere
[23:51] <hallyn> gah, why is 'vi' so messed up in adb shell and the terminal?  :)  it works fine in the terminal from a libertine container, but not just as phablet or under sudo
[23:51] <hallyn> and no ed to be found.  sed it is then
[23:52] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @hallyn [@dohbee ?  the point is that if someone takes the phone (and power cycles it) th …], which obviously doesn't solve the problem of keeping thing stored securely. if the key is only in kernel memory, how does one decrypt something after reboot?
[23:52] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @hallyn [gah, why is 'vi' so messed up in adb shell and the terminal?  :)  it works fine …], well, `adb shell` is not a full shell
[23:52] <hallyn> @dohbee - right i'm not saying it stores thigns securely :)  i'm saying for a few select things it obviates the need to do so :)
[23:53] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> well, secure boot is not one of those things
[23:53] <hallyn> i do see a /dev/ecryptfs on the device :)
[23:53] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> and really for most things i suspect it doesn't
[23:53] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @hallyn [i do see a /dev/ecryptfs on the device :)], well, ecryptfs is no longer supported upstream, so we can't really use that either
[23:53] <hallyn> like i said.  password
[23:53] <hallyn> upstream?  you're on xenial
[23:53] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> ecryptfs also has numerous problems
[23:54] <hallyn> but again, all i need on the thing is for mutt/offlineimap to get a mail pwd,
[23:54] <hallyn> and keyring does that for me.
[23:54] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @hallyn [upstream?  you're on xenial], xenial for the moment. if we build an entire platform based on it being supported in the future, that would obviously fail
[23:54] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @hallyn [but again, all i need on the thing is for mutt/offlineimap to get a mail pwd,], but we were talking about encryption, not mutt :P
[23:54] <hallyn> sorry, i missed that part
[23:54] <hallyn> i was just saying "so for some things it's better than nothing", not "you don't need luks"
[23:55] <hallyn> maybe i need to consider supporting ecryptfs.  So far there is still nothing out there that supports the same use case (of selective encrypted backup).  of course tha'ts by design :)  but still.
[23:55] <hallyn> anyway, back to trying ot get my sim card recognized again.
[23:56] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i don't think ecryptfs is the right solution (even if i'm using it now on a PC)