[01:08] <tomreyn> ig uess we can just drop the fglrx references off this factoid then, right, OerHeks?
[01:09] <tomreyn> !ati
[01:09] <ubot5> Open driver for AMD cards: amdgpu (cards >= GCN1.2 aka GCN 3rd gen), radeon (older cards). Closed drivers: amdgpu-pro (>= GCN1.2) fglrx (older cards, unsupported by AMD in 16.04+). For info on GCN levels, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units . For fglrx info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[01:11] <OerHeks> i have no clue what the installer uses, the  xserver-xorg-video-radeon package suggests compatibility
[01:13] <tomreyn> OerHeks: hmm, my point is about removing references to fglrx off this factoid. i don't see a reference to fglrx in the package description of dependencies of xserver-xorg-video-radeon. what am i getting wrong?
[01:14] <OerHeks> the card is listed as supported, but the last version was 12.04 that supported this
[01:14] <tomreyn> i'm not discussing any specific card
[01:14] <OerHeks> so, me confused too, that he got this far at all
[01:14] <OerHeks> yes, fglrx, for ati 2-4xxx
[01:18] <tomreyn> we're having a misunderstanding, i think. i'm suggesting to edit the factoid as this:
[01:18] <tomreyn> ati is Open source drivers for AMD/ATI graphics cards: amdgpu (cards >= GCN1.2 aka GCN 3rd gen), radeon (older cards). Closed source drivers: amdgpu-pro (>= GCN1.2). For info on GCN levels, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units
[01:20] <OerHeks> ah oke dropping:  For fglrx info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[01:21] <tomreyn> as well as "fglrx (older cards, unsupported by AMD in 16.04+)", yes
[01:21] <tomreyn> OerHeks: you thnk that's fine?
[01:25] <OerHeks> yes, that would be correct.
[01:25] <OerHeks> just checking
[01:27] <OerHeks> debian says https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo  -- xserver-xorg-video-ati
[01:27] <tomreyn> those are the 2d X drivers, yes.
[01:29] <tomreyn> This driver is actually a wrapper that loads one of the 'mach64', 'r128' or 'radeon' sub-drivers depending on the hardware.
[01:29] <OerHeks> that what happened in the installer, i guess
[01:30] <tomreyn> i don't know what you're referring to now, maybe i missed some chat in #ubuntu
[01:30] <OerHeks> he claimed he had an install screen
[01:31] <OerHeks> so he though the desktop would work
[01:31] <OerHeks> * after update
[01:31] <tomreyn> install screen as in he got graphical output when booting the installer?
[01:32] <OerHeks> yes?
[01:32] <OerHeks> that is what i make out of it.
[01:32] <tomreyn> it probably loaded the radeon module or fell back to vesa
[01:34] <tomreyn> from what i understood, TheSHAD0W is saying that they installed some version of ubuntu on this stone age computer and rebooted and it was fine, then installed updates, and then there were graphics issues.
[01:34] <tomreyn> (after another reboot, i guess)
[01:35] <tomreyn> so this could be due to a regression in the latest radeon module. or because it was using vesa until then.
[01:37] <tomreyn> radeon/4) on bionic lists HD 4250
[01:38] <tomreyn> I meant to write: The radeon(4) man page on bionic lists HD 4250 (and RS880)
[01:40] <tomreyn> alias:          pci:v00001002d00009712sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
[01:40] <tomreyn> ^ modinfo radeon on kernel 5.0 on bionic-hwe
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
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[08:54] <marcoagpinto> Heya!
[08:54] <marcoagpinto> brothers and sisters!!!
[10:06] <Talikka> what about mothers and grandfathers? happy with ubuntu and which flavour?
[10:13] <marcoagpinto> what?
[10:14] <Talikka> I struggle to select between mint or ubuntu something. This year, Ubuntu MATE has had extremely many bugs
[10:14] <jeremyb> I would doubt the Mint version would be any better
[10:15] <Talikka> Many doubt but most people I know who have installed Linux to elderly or beginner-level people have selected Linux Mint. At least in Finnish it has much more guides and help available than Ubuntu
[10:17] <jeremyb> Talikka: I am a moderator on forums.linuxmint.com Mint only has about a dozen devs
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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[12:51] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Is anyone there?!
[12:52] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: are you still angry at me? :(((((((
[14:01] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj!!!! Hello!!!!!!!
[14:01] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[14:03] <marcoagpinto> dear beloved brother!
[14:03] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> let's not get carried away
[14:04] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... right
[14:04] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> too much cola again eh?
[14:04] <marcoagpinto> no, I only had 1 litre
[14:04] <BluesKaj> that's plenty
[14:05] <marcoagpinto> tomorrow I will buy more
[14:05] <BluesKaj> no doubt
[16:37] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto!!!
[16:37] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE!!!
[16:37] <marcoagpinto> I did a stupid thing!!!! I sent an e-mail to 200+ people saying my status... and today a Professor phoned me worried
[16:38] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Worried about what?
[16:38] <marcoagpinto> the depression
[16:38] <marcoagpinto> I guess I can't tell the truth because people get worried
[16:39] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: I understood.
[16:39] <marcoagpinto> What is wrong with this sentence?: "I can't put an end to life because I don't know what there is on the other side and my mission on Earth hasn't ended."
[16:42] <EoflaOE> That means that you keep doing your mission. I don't see the wrong thing
[16:45] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: ^
[16:45] <marcoagpinto> yes
[16:46] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK. Are there no cola bottles left?
[16:47] <marcoagpinto> no.... zero
[16:47] <marcoagpinto> :(
[16:47] <EoflaOE> Let me grab a cup of water and come back
[16:48] <marcoagpinto> oki
[16:50] <EoflaOE> I am back.
[16:50] <marcoagpinto> welcome back
[16:51] <EoflaOE> Thanks
[16:53] <EoflaOE> Let me see some package updates for Ubuntu 19.10 Eoan.
[16:53] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[16:59] <EoflaOE> In my Ubuntu 19.10 VM, only 5 updates were made (gdisk, geoip-database, libgeoip1, libwmf0.2-7-gtk, and libwmf0.2-7)
[17:06] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:07] <marcoagpinto> I can hardly wiat for 20.04LTS
[17:07] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:07] <marcoagpinto> wait*
[17:08] <EoflaOE> Yes. But it will takeout 32-bit support except select packages
[17:09] <marcoagpinto> 32-bit should be removed from the planet
[17:09] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:09] <marcoagpinto> in the past I created also 32-bit versions of Proofing Tool GUI, but then Ubuntu 18.04 removed support and so did I
[17:09] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:09] <marcoagpinto> I no longer cared for 32-bit
[17:11] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Also, all my future PCs that I will buy will never be 32-bit. And my new Dell Optiplex 7060 which runs 64-bit too.
[17:11] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[17:12] <marcoagpinto> Microsoft did a terrible job in releasing laptops with quad-core Atom CPUs and 32-bit Windows
[17:12] <marcoagpinto> :(
[17:13] <EoflaOE> I know. Because I saw 32-bit versions of Windows 10 latest versions.
[17:13] <marcoagpinto> maybe they did it because they had only 2 GB? of RAM and it would use cycles from the SSD drive (virtual memory)
[17:14] <marcoagpinto> 10.1'' or so laptops
[17:15] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:15] <marcoagpinto> with eMMC drives or whatever it is called
[17:15] <EoflaOE> Might be. Before my purchase of my 64-bit Dell Optiplex, I visited my friend which is my neighbor to find that he has a HI-LIFE notebook. I think it runs 32-bit too. I even saw him playing legacy old 2000s action games like IGI 2.
[17:24] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhh
[17:24] <marcoagpinto> sorry... I was reading the lyrics of the YouTube band the professor told me to
[17:24] <marcoagpinto> The Rasmus - in the shadows
[17:24] <marcoagpinto> it is so powerufl
[17:24] <marcoagpinto> powerful*
[17:26] <marcoagpinto> "I won't give up until I find the cure to this cancer"
[17:27] <marcoagpinto> something close
[17:27] <EoflaOE> It's OK.
[17:31] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: will someday Ubuntu support draging files from a folder to other using the right mouse button and have options, such as COPY/MOVE, just like Windows?
[17:31] <marcoagpinto> it would increase UX a lot
[17:33] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: I don't know, but you may have to suggest this idea to GNOME developers so Debian will pick it up and then Ubuntu.
[17:33] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh
[17:33] <marcoagpinto> :((((((((
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> so many steps before Ubuntu?
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> I once installed Debian? Three or four .iso files of 4 GB each?
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> huge
[17:36] <EoflaOE> Yes. They also ship netinst.
[17:37] <EoflaOE> Now, I will take a bath, go to dinner, and go to bed. Goodbye marcoagpinto.
[17:37] <marcoagpinto> oki
[17:37] <marcoagpinto> take care
[17:37] <marcoagpinto> see you tomorrow
[18:16] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn seems to know a lot about computers!!!
[18:16] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:17] <marcoagpinto> more than I will ever know :)
[18:18] <tomreyn> what makes you think so? because i just configured on to powercycles itself while it was running, hen brought it up and had it kill itself twice?
[18:19] <tomreyn> what makes you think so? because i just configured one to powercycles itself while it is running, then brought it up twice and had it kill itself twice?
[18:19] <tomreyn> ^ typo galore
[19:25] <marcoagpinto> "I've been searching, I've been living, for tomorrows all my life"
[19:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:27] <kostkon> marcoagpinto, you are not making any sense (with that) but it's ok
[19:27] <marcoagpinto> kostkon: It is a song, but it fits me perfectly
[19:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:27] <marcoagpinto> I have been living for the future all over my life
[19:27] <kostkon> should've guessed
[19:28] <marcoagpinto> sometimes I look crazy... but I am always planning the future
[19:29] <marcoagpinto> I write and draw on paper my ideas, so that I can develop software or suggest improvements to other software
[19:30] <marcoagpinto> the number of pages is increasing and I can't implement all :)
[19:33] <marcoagpinto> around 20 persons are using my Proofing Tool GUI for dictionaries and such :) ... I was watching the download statistics
[19:33] <marcoagpinto> I have tons of ideas for its future... I just lack the time to implemtn
[19:33] <marcoagpinto> implement*
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> it even supports autocorrect for LibreOffice and OpenOffice
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> very useful
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[21:19] <OerHeks> grinn .. <B|ack0p> i plugged same card to different slot that s why i am having this problem i think
[21:19] <daftykins> o0
[21:19] <OerHeks> really, one could smell this comming
[21:20]  * daftykins sniffs
[21:20] <OerHeks> did you hear blue?
[21:20] <daftykins> not today :D
[21:22] <jeremyb> Must be a check to see if a wifi card is plugged into a wwan slot
[21:23] <OerHeks> how could one give support and find out about that..
[21:23] <OerHeks> mentioning it at the end, like it is not important at all
[21:27] <daftykins> honestly, although i've seen them labelled on laptop boards... i don't know why they'd be any different
[21:28] <OerHeks> he switched from wifi to wwan, different antenna?
[21:28] <jeremyb> Thinkpads and Lenovo were bad about only allowing certain wifi cards to be used
[21:28] <OerHeks> or no antenna at all..
[21:29] <OerHeks> jeremyb, that could well be, thinkpad t60 iirc
[21:29] <daftykins> yeah, whitelist and all that
[21:30] <daftykins> that aside, i wonder if they can't operate in each others slots - for antennae, they typically have spares there with plastic caps on if a machine didn't ship with a WWAN card
[21:31] <daftykins> ah well, not very important... pretty funny for someone to muck that up