[11:02] morning [13:24] morning [13:26] <_stink_> yo [13:36] hi [14:22] https://media.ccc.de/v/ASG2019-164-reinventing-home-directories [14:22] i wonder what he means by mixing state and configuration. What is configuration if not state? [14:55] Um... [14:55] I don't like his assertion about immutable etc [14:56] etc is configuration. It's the literal embodiment of configuration [14:56] i agree. [14:56] how is that different than state? [14:58] I'm going ot have to look at this later, because I don't think he's solving what he thinks he's solving [14:59] i think he is, but I think he is accepting a whole great number of additional constraints which he isn't talking about. [14:59] INdeed [14:59] I just watched the first 5 minutes and my head tilted about 30 degrees [15:00] I don't want it to come off [15:00] I hope he studies otehr systems /etc/passwd replacements like digital unix TCB ;) [15:01] Yes, becausse we're all clamoring for THAT. [15:01] or ndis [15:01] I look forward to lppasswd. ;) [15:12] ugh... 21min in his "solution" to ssh logins, isn't a solution at all. it is a work around. I really wish he would state what problem he is solving. Thankfully, distros wont adopt this... i hope. [15:25] I think of the difference as configuration is what it is supposed to be, and state is how it really is [15:26] Or initial configuration compared to state while running [15:27] I wish folks would stop with the idea that /etc is read-only [15:27] the QA starts to make more sense. [15:27] That seems like the first stumbling block [16:50] hello from Portland [16:55] Is it weird? [16:55] Is it true that the dream of the 90s is still alive there? [17:03] yes and yes [17:03] a guy with a long coat, black cane with a silver animal head, top hat, and glasses was on the light rail on my way in from the airport [17:05] I watched an old pearl jam live performance of Alive last night to help keep it alive (see what I did there?) [17:08] will you be doing this all week? :) [17:08] * cmaloney wants to plan ahead. [17:08] listening to pearl jam? probably :P [17:08] /ignore greg-g [17:08] ;) [19:48] since we talked about RO /etc... https://media.ccc.de/v/ASG2019-119-atomic-updates-and-configuration-files-in-etc