[11:02] <cmaloney> morning
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:26] <_stink_> yo
[13:36] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[14:22] <jrwren> https://media.ccc.de/v/ASG2019-164-reinventing-home-directories
[14:22] <jrwren> i wonder what he means by mixing state and configuration. What is configuration if not state?
[14:55] <cmaloney> Um...
[14:55] <cmaloney> I don't like his assertion about immutable etc
[14:56] <cmaloney> etc is configuration. It's the literal embodiment of configuration
[14:56] <jrwren> i agree.
[14:56] <jrwren> how is that different than state?
[14:58] <cmaloney> I'm going ot have to look at this later, because I don't think he's solving what he thinks he's solving
[14:59] <jrwren> i think he is, but I think he is accepting a whole great number of additional constraints which he isn't talking about.
[14:59] <cmaloney> INdeed
[14:59] <cmaloney> I just watched the first 5 minutes and my head tilted about 30 degrees
[15:00] <cmaloney> I don't want it to come off
[15:00] <jrwren> I hope he studies otehr systems /etc/passwd replacements like digital unix TCB ;)
[15:01] <cmaloney> Yes, becausse we're all clamoring for THAT.
[15:01] <cmaloney> or ndis
[15:01] <cmaloney> I look forward to lppasswd. ;)
[15:12] <jrwren> ugh... 21min in his "solution" to ssh logins, isn't a solution at all. it is a work around. I really wish he would state what problem he is solving. Thankfully, distros wont adopt this... i hope.
[15:25] <brousch> I think of the difference as configuration is what it is supposed to be, and state is how it really is
[15:26] <brousch> Or initial configuration compared to state while running
[15:27] <cmaloney> I wish folks would stop with the idea that /etc is read-only
[15:27] <jrwren> the QA starts to make more sense.
[15:27] <cmaloney> That seems like the first stumbling block
[16:50] <greg-g> hello from Portland
[16:55] <jrwren> Is it weird?
[16:55] <jrwren> Is it true that the dream of the 90s is still alive there?
[17:03] <greg-g> yes and yes
[17:03] <greg-g> a guy with a long coat, black cane with a silver animal head, top hat, and glasses was on the light rail on my way in from the airport
[17:05] <greg-g> I watched an old pearl jam live performance of Alive last night to help keep it alive (see what I did there?)
[17:08] <cmaloney> will you be doing this all week? :)
[17:08]  * cmaloney wants to plan ahead.
[17:08] <greg-g> listening to pearl jam? probably :P
[17:08] <cmaloney>  /ignore greg-g
[17:08] <cmaloney> ;)
[19:48] <jrwren> since we talked about RO /etc... https://media.ccc.de/v/ASG2019-119-atomic-updates-and-configuration-files-in-etc