jibelgood morning05:29
didrocksgood morning06:11
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:00
seb128gooood morning desktopers07:18
oSoMoNsalut seb12807:19
seb128lut oSoMoN :)07:19
seb128oSoMoN, so, beta freeze starting ... I was wondering if we wanted to try to get the new tb on the iso/demote enigma to universe? depends how much testing you would like to get from the update07:22
oSoMoNseb128, it looks like enigmail is already in universe07:24
seb128oSoMoN, sorry, I'm online getting my coffee :-/ I meant to proposed07:25
seb128e.g delete if from eoan proper07:25
seb128since britney will block the tb update as long as it breaks something in eoan07:25
oSoMoNunless we add a hint to temporarily unblock the migration, no?07:27
seb128well, does enigmail work with the new tb?07:28
oSoMoNnote that I'm working on enigmail today, hopefully I get a working solution before eod that we can use until the package is updated in debian07:28
seb128like is that a real breakage or a test problem ?07:28
oSoMoNright, it's actually a real breakage07:28
seb128so it would probably less misleading to remove it than force tb and have a package installable that blews07:29
seb128anyway, let's see what you get by tonight07:29
seb128and decide tomorrow if that's  ok with you?07:29
oSoMoNsounds like a plan07:31
seb128Trevinho, hey, did you prepare that unity landing? they wanted/needed the fix for beta and the freeze started now...07:56
marcustomlinsonmorning all08:01
didrockshey marcustomlinson, willcooke08:02
didrocksmorning Laney08:04
Laneyhey didrocks08:08
Laneygood weekend / trip back?08:08
didrocksLaney: yeah, uneventful. Yourself? After this week-end in Paris? :)08:11
Laneyhad to take a much later train home08:12
didrocksstill on the same day at least?08:12
Laneytechnically no08:13
Laneybut yes :P08:13
didrocksahah, ok, very late then :) but still "okish"08:13
Laneynot as bad as the Lyon delays indeed08:13
Trevinhoseb128: hey yes... but vvileto failed so need to do some manual things08:29
Trevinhomorning all08:29
Trevinhofrom the last day in Paris, helping me to go home... With the classic strike 😭08:29
seb128Trevinho, hey, oh ok. Good luck with the public transports :/08:31
seb128hey marcustomlinson willcooke Laney, how are you?08:32
didrocksyeah, not the best day for Trevinho08:32
willcookevery wet seb128 :)08:34
willcookeI've now got 9 out of 10 wallpapers, so I'm going to call it done08:35
marcustomlinsonseb128: haha, yeah, there are clouds in the sky again, balance has been restored :D08:35
marcustomlinsonseb128: i.e. all good :) how are you?08:35
Trevinhodidrocks: I was thinking that they were striking only on Friday... But, it looks like they really care about the cause, not just the day off08:36
didrocksnot having zsys installed but the generator (which will still be needed in the future) -> FAIL. Will spent some days to debug08:43
Laneyhey seb12808:49
Laneydoing gooood, you?08:49
willcookeLaney, squoosh is pretty amazing at compressing jpegs!  40 MB PNG -> Gimp -> PNG with some better options -> 8 MB PNG08:55
willcooke40 MB PNG -> Gimp -> JPG  -> 1.1 MB PNG08:55
willcooke*1.1MB JPEG08:55
willcooke8 MB PNG -> Sqoosh -> 2808:55
willcooke*287kB JPG08:55
Laneynice, I like the sound of that08:56
Laneyassuming the result is good08:56
willcookeSo far, so good08:56
jibelI'm testing netboot for the beta and the session freezes on login on i386.09:05
jibelhere is the journal https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tGwVbBYq5J/09:05
jibelanyone have any clue what could be going on?09:05
jibelthere is no crash09:06
jibelah now it crashed09:08
jibelbug 1845165, not very helpful09:13
ubot5bug 1845165 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in <unavailable> in ??() [non-native amd64 package]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184516509:13
jibelis ubutnu-desktop on i386 from netboot still something we want to offer or we should just remove the test case?09:14
Laneynot actually sure at this point in time but I'd be ok with not09:24
Laneybased on the wider i386 story09:24
willcookeyeah, I think I'd be ok with that too.  From what I remember, we had the story about "if you still want to install on i386 hardware you can use netboot" but it got nacked and removed from the "formal" Q&A.09:26
willcookeI dont think it's something we should support at this point forward09:26
WimpressMorning desktoppers o/10:26
WimpressSwap day.10:26
WimpressOr rather, an Ubuntu MATE day :-D10:26
Trevinhoapparently not too bad the strike, looks like I'll be to the airport way earlier (and no lounge)... So #floorhacking.10:32
willcookeTrevinho, are you aware of a problem where you log in and GNOME Shell just doesn't respond to any input?10:33
willcookeI've seen it a few times in the past week10:33
willcookefeels like a race, because it doesn't always happen10:33
Trevinhowillcooke: hmmh... nope. Is that something temporary or staying?10:34
TrevinhoI have it on my bionic machine but that's something caused by sync stuff not done properly, and fixed now10:35
willcookeTrevinho, I doesn't happen every time, but I'll see if I can find a way to reproduce it.  At the moment it is in this state.  I switched to tty1 and gdm started, then back to 2 and GNOME Shell is still on the screen and the mouse moves, but nothing responds (no kbd, no mouse) and I can open a new cli session on tty 310:36
willcookeanything I can do before I reboot it?10:36
willcooke(or restart gdm)10:36
Trevinhowillcooke: yes, attach to it via gdb...10:36
* willcooke installs ssh10:37
Trevinhowillcooke: sudo gdb -p `pidof gnome-shell` but check is the one launched by the user10:37
Trevinhothe pid I mean10:38
Trevinhowillcooke: also mutter and shell debug symbols please10:38
willcookeTrevinho, I should install those dbg packages right?10:38
willcookeI dont yet have the debug packages installed, but I do have gdb connected, anything useful I can do with out the debug packages?10:39
Trevinhowillcooke: yes, add ddeb repo and install libmutter dbgsym and gnome-shell10:40
Trevinhowillcooke: well for now you can just try with `call (void) gjs_dumpstack()`10:40
Trevinhoand check journalctl /usr/bin/gnome-shell -b0 -e to see if you get anything useful from JS side of things10:41
Trevinhohowever I suppose isn't something triggered by JS, but we never know10:41
willcookeTrevinho, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CWtV8N9RZR/10:43
Trevinhowillcooke: this should automatize it10:43
Trevinhosudo gdb -p $(pgrep -U $USER -x gnome-shell) -batch   -ex "set logging on"  -ex "bt full" -ex "call (void) gjs_dumpstack()"   -ex quit10:43
Trevinhoah goof10:43
Trevinhomh, yeah.. nothing from JS lands10:43
willcookeTrevinho, so if I install the ddebs do I need to restart?10:44
Trevinhowillcooke: no, just quit gdb and start again it10:45
Trevinho(or use that script, and attach the produced gdb.txt)10:45
willcookedbg packages installer10:47
willcookeTrevinho, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZnY4YnRBWY/10:50
willcookenothing new in journal it seems10:50
willcookefull journal: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tdKDGRcPzM/10:51
willcookeI wonder if the portals has anything to do with it... only because when it did this last time I somehow managed to get a polkit dialog up, and when I entered the password, everything continued as normal10:53
Trevinhowillcooke: mh, can't see much from that thread, try with "thread apply all bt full"10:55
Trevinhowillcooke: it also misses glib dbgsym, but it seems just the loop10:55
Trevinhowell, actually better if you install them too :P10:55
willcookelibglib2.0-0-dbgsym this one?10:56
Trevinhowillcooke: you can get that scripted by replacing the "bt full" with the command I gave you before10:56
Trevinhowillcooke: yeah10:56
willcookeTrevinho, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rPY2VDj6tX/10:57
willcookeLaney, smol wallpapers! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/184518811:03
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845188 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 19.10 Community Wallpapers" [Undecided,New]11:03
willcooke5.6MB this time11:03
willcookein total11:03
Laneynice one11:03
willcooke(but there is one missing still)11:03
Trevinhowillcooke: there's something related to __pthread_cond_wait in i965_dri, so maybe add those symbols too and we could get something from tjaalton, might be a dead-lock in the driver? But there's something also in mozjs... mhmhm11:03
willcooketjaalton, can you tell me what packages I need to install for dbg symbols?11:04
willcookeFWIW the mouse pointer still moves around the screen and gets painted correcty11:05
Trevinhowillcooke: I need libmozjs-60-0-dbgsym11:05
LaneyI had this with a Shell dialog last week: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/160711:06
Laneymight be relevant11:06
Trevinhowillcooke: dri package would be libgl1-mesa-dri-dbgsym11:06
Trevinholet's get the bt full with these all, once you get it you can kill it and open a bug with all the logs we have11:06
willcookeroger roger11:07
willcookeLaney, interesting, can confirm the clock is updating here too, which I hadnt noticed11:07
Trevinhoalthough from a first look it might come from anywhere, and since we can't see where a trhead was started is a bit complicated11:07
Trevinhounless is there a way for that.... (Laney^) :o11:08
willcookeTrevinho, I'm running from the x staging ppa per t_jaalton's request for testing.11:08
Trevinhowillcooke: ooohhh... mh, is there a dbg package there? maybe you've to get it manually11:08
Trevinhothe name should be the same11:08
willcookeseems like its missing11:08
* Trevinho cries11:09
* Trevinho cries in 0x00007fef2461c5cb11:09
willcookeTrevinho, is this any use?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BZdK6TcgpW/11:09
Trevinhowillcooke: wait isn't https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/x-staging/+files/libgl1-mesa-dri-dbgsym_19.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.ddeb the one we're looking for?11:11
Trevinholooking into details of https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/x-staging/+packages there are dbgsym's11:11
Trevinhoso might need to manually install them11:11
popeycore:( another lockup on 19.1011:12
willcookepopeycore, do me a favour - can you leave it 5 mins and see if the clock keeps up11:12
popeycorei had to reboot, sorry11:13
willcookenext time11:13
Trevinhoniceeee..... :|11:13
Trevinholooks like it's something in the gfx stack though11:13
popeycoreinterestingly when i tried to reboot, i got messages in dmesg about hung process on my gpu11:13
Trevinhopopeycore: oh!11:14
willcookeTrevinho, I think I installed that package correctly.. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pSshP8V2SZ/11:14
Trevinhopopeycore: journalctl -b-1 once you rebooted11:14
* Trevinho fighting with tunnels...11:17
popeyTrevinho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/184501711:17
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845017 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Desktop hard lockup in 19.10" [Undecided,New]11:17
popeyattached to the bottom of that11:17
popeySep 24 12:00:09 KinkPad-K450 kernel: INFO: task kcompactd0:43 blocked for more than 120 seconds.11:18
tjaaltonwillcooke: I don't see i965_dri.so in the latest one?11:27
willcookeTrevinho, is there anything more I can do with it in this state, or shall I reboot and focus on finding a way to reproduce it?11:33
Trevinhowillcooke: mhmh I think we can't do much a part than studying the trace11:42
willcookeTrevinho, oki.  I've opened this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1845198   and I will try and find a way to recreate it11:43
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845198 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "GNOME Shell seemingly locked up at login" [Undecided,New]11:43
Trevinhotjaalton: yeah weird... Maybe that thread died or something?11:43
Trevinhowillcooke: try again just to see if we get the dri log again11:43
willcookeTrevinho, sorry, I just turned it off :(11:43
popeywillcooke: you having similar issues to me? Or is this completely unrelated?11:44
willcookepopey, unclear11:44
willcookehence my question about the clock11:44
popeyhow are you monitoring the clock? just ssh in and run "watch -d date"?11:44
willcookeno just looking at the screen11:44
willcookei.e. gnome shell is not quite dead11:45
popeynothing updates for me, hard lockup of the shell11:45
popeyI mean, I didnt look at the clock, but pretty sure, will check next time11:45
willcookepopey, was it related to building snaps again this time?11:47
popeynope. just happened randomly, when I opened a tab in firefox11:47
seb128Laney, could you try if you also get "login with another user fail" and tell me what component you would report that problem against?11:48
LaneyI'm looking at fast user switching now11:48
Laneyyou already told me about that one11:48
* willcooke ponders gnome-keyring... unlocking... polkit windows 11:48
popeyalso, I have 3 screens on, and video playing in chrome11:49
popeythat's quite a common setup when I get a lockup11:49
seb128Laney, yeah I told you, I would still welcome someone else to confirm if they get it too or if something weird here, but not important11:49
Laneyit does happen here I'm looking at it atm11:49
Laneyfeel free to file a bug if you want a number to track or something11:49
seb128ah ok, sorry I didn't understood properly that you "fast user switching" was referring to that11:50
Laneythat might be a term from windows11:50
seb128anyway, I let you work on it then, thanks :)11:51
Laneyno, I remember, we used to have a thing called FUSA, that's why I call it fast user switching11:51
seb128ah, makes sense now that you mention it11:52
Trevinhowillcooke:  can you attach both your logs (the one with dri and the last one) to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/184501712:06
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845017 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Desktop hard lockup in 19.10" [Undecided,New]12:06
TrevinhoI'm quite sure we're talking of the same issue12:06
willcookeTrevinho, done12:10
jibelseb128, I've the ubiquity-dm error again with beta12:15
seb128jibel, I'm not surprised, I didn't see a reason it would have been fixed in between the images12:15
seb128it's probably a timing issue :/12:16
jibeland the shell is frozen but I can switch to a vt12:17
seb128jibel, thx, I will download the daily ISO and see if I get it as well ... you let boot on the screen with the try/install gtk UI and click install right?12:17
jibelseb128, just boot and do nothing12:17
jibelI'll try on hw12:17
jibelseb128, it's the try/install session that crashes12:18
popeyI had 19.10 crash in vbox today on first boot of the "try" option too12:19
popeyfrom today's daily12:20
jibelyeah same that's bug 184450912:21
ubot5bug 1844509 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-dm fails to start" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184450912:21
jibel2 critical for the beta then12:21
GunnarHjI have also noticed issues with the installer, and can't help wondering if I have contributed to it via this upload:12:21
jibelGunnarHj, what kind of issues?12:22
GunnarHjjibel: The Ubiquity welcome screen does not show up, but instead I see the error message which popey just showed in a screenshot.12:23
popeyFurther, clicking OK got me an unusable desktop12:24
popeylocked up, or was for some other reason unresponsive12:24
jibelGunnarHj, I don't think it's related to your upload, I noticed this problem a day before;12:24
jibelpopey, that's bug 184519812:25
ubot5bug 1845198 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "GNOME Shell seemingly locked up at login" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184519812:25
GunnarHjjibel: Ok, that's a relief for me, kind of. :)12:25
seb128GunnarHj, I wonder if you did create the issue still, the report from jibel had ibus error and it started a bit after the recent merge from experimental12:26
GunnarHjseb128: What I did was trying to make a new language visible in the installer. Do you know if there is more into it which I missed, and which may be the reason?12:27
jibelsounds more like a timing issue as seb128 said, because if you restart ubiquity-dm from a vt it starts fine12:28
seb128GunnarHj, in case that was not clear from why I wrote before, I wonder if the issue is due to the new ibus12:28
GunnarHjseb128: Sorry. Now I see what you wrote. :)12:28
kenvandineI'm so happy with the theme updates, looks great12:28
willcookeseb128, this "locking up" of GNOME Shell are you talking about there? ^  I did see some stuff in the logs related to ibus12:28
seb128willcooke, well, I was talking about the liveCD failing to load the ubiquity-try screen, could be the same bug that the lock though12:29
jibelwillcooke, yeah 2 bugs lock up and the "try/install" session doesn't start12:29
seb128or one bug and it doesn't load because it lock up?12:30
jibelit wouldn't be a real milestone without critical bugs :)12:31
seb128that's job security!12:32
GunnarHjThe very latest ibus change is the reversal of the CVE patch which breaks Qt. It happened yesterday night.12:33
seb128GunnarHj, that bug was there a week ago before the reversal12:34
GunnarHjseb128: The patch was added about a week ago, and dropped yesterday.12:36
seb128GunnarHj, yes, I was saying that the issue was happening after the patch was added and is still happening today, so it's not due to this patch12:36
GunnarHjseb128: Ah, so the newest version is already in the ISO then?12:37
seb128jibel, did you try current or pending?12:38
seb128GunnarHj, it's on the newest image according to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/proposed/eoan-desktop-amd64.manifest12:39
jibelseb128, pending. It's today's build that I didn't promote due to this problem12:39
seb128GunnarHj, sorry, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/proposed/eoan-desktop-amd64.manifest12:39
seb128jibel, k, thx12:39
seb128GunnarHj, so yeah, was tested with 1~exp2ubuntu212:40
seb128well I'm guessing ibus issue but it might not be due to it and just gnome-shell12:40
seb128poor Trevinho12:40
* Trevinho hides12:43
* Trevinho actually goes boarding12:45
seb128Trevinho, safe flight!12:45
Trevinhothanks, I've plenty of branches to work on in between, so... lovely fliiight indeed12:46
didrocksthe sound volume bug, the sound volume bug, the… :)12:48
seb128key repeat one?12:49
didrocksgood memory ;)12:51
kenvandineI've rebuilt gtk-common-themes in candidate to include the latest yaru changes.  I'd appreciate it everyone could help kick the tires a little today12:52
kenvandinejust run some snaps to make sure they look like you'd expect12:53
seb128just install them in a normal session and make sure they work with yaru normal?12:53
Trevinho... and boarded. What would be life without euro-roaming!?!12:53
TrevinhoL_aney I feel you :°12:53
clobranokenvandine, I have to rebuild my 18.04 VM, but I should be able to test it this afternoon12:55
kenvandineseb128: yeah12:56
kenvandinei'll do some thorough testing with gtk-3-widget-factory12:56
kenvandinebut good to get some other eyes on our everyday snaps12:56
popeythat should be something chris wayne could help with?12:57
didrocksremoving zsys has a lot of repercution on the dataset (due to issues with non empty dir) :/12:57
seb128didrocks, enough that you think we need to revisit our options?13:05
seb128willcooke, ^13:05
didrocksseb128: I don't know, we are back at the race on boot now with the dataset layout that only zsys can fix properly13:05
didrockswe can workaround, but it's not going to be robust13:05
didrocks(and work that are going to be removed once zsys is in)13:06
seb128how much work and how unrobust?13:06
didrocksit's already a day "lost" (with progress, but now on that last roadblock ^). The last one will need testing and such, I think 3-4 days… (and again, things will be ditched next cycle hopefully)13:07
seb128(right, but we are our option, restart the discussion about including zsys after beta? how long is that likely to take into arguing and how likely to success in changing the outcome?)13:08
seb128I mean I understand the frustration13:08
seb128I'm just unsure we have other options at this point, out of saying we give up on shipping for this cycle or the normal image...13:08
didrockswell, I think the decision is already taken, but I just want to hilight that not including zsys is making us loose a week of work basically (which won't be reused)13:08
seb128right, understood13:09
didrocksso it's just the most expensive option (for our team)13:09
seb128thx for pointing it out, and don't worry we know it's not your fault and that it is impacting/delaying the "useful" work13:09
seb128right :/13:09
willcookeWhen you say "removing" what do you mean?   We said that people would have to install zsys manually, right?13:09
seb128well we are screwed at this point anyway, let's hope it doesn't happen again13:09
didrockspreferring to raise this :) (hoping as well we won't have specific bugs to those workarounds and won't impact transitionning to zsys next cycle)13:10
didrockswillcooke: as "the workaround may be incompatible with zsys approach"13:10
didrocksand so, hacks will have to be removed later on13:10
didrocksand if people install zsys, we have to figure out a way to transition them13:10
willcookemeh, IRC is no good for this sort of thing, let's have a hangout in a bit?13:10
didrocksif you want, but I had the feeling the decision won't change and it would be better to focus/not loose more time?13:11
didrocksI just escalated that it would be more work than envisioned13:11
willcookeoki, good to know, thanks.  I still don't really understand what the problem is though, and I would like to13:12
didrocksif you want to go into the details, there is a race between daemons writing early in /var/lib before the zfs systemd service is mounting it13:13
didrocksit's something that isn't fixed upstream, if you want a separate /var/lib dataset (which was desired after the review with Steve 6 months ago)13:14
didrocksand known to be problematic. Zsys fixed it by an early systemd generator13:14
didrockshoping that's the level of tech details you were looking for13:15
ricotzhi, is it possible to sync libcloudproviders 0.3.0-2 from debian which re-introduces the dropped vala bindings13:17
seb128jbicha, ^13:17
seb128(since you did those uploads)13:18
willcookedidrocks, oki, I think I get it.  Aren't we expecting people to install zsys though?13:18
didrockswillcooke: right, but if they don't before first boot -> they are screwing up their datasets13:19
didrockswith no easy way to recover13:19
willcookedidrocks, got it.  Thanks for caring and working on a fix, much appreciated13:22
didrocksI just hope we'll be able to have something compatible with and without zsys (for transitions)13:22
didrockswe'll see how it goes13:22
* willcooke has faith in the l33t skillz of didrocks 13:24
willcookekenvandine, updated gtk-common-themes to beta, so far so good13:24
popeykenvandine: here's a fun thing. snap remove the gnome platform snap, reboot then try and run one of your snaps :)13:29
popeykenvandine: Your snaps aren't able to detect that the content snap went away, and they crash all over the place.13:29
popeySome might say "that's working as designed", but it might be nice if we did something pleasant. Where should I file this do you think? :)13:29
willcookeMeeting time, everybody shut up and pay attention to me13:30
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* Trevinho at 10 meters from ground13:31
seb128Trevinho, safe flight!13:31
Trevinholove 4g on connection13:31
seb128you are supposed to be in flight mode at this point btw :p13:31
willcookeRoll call: didrocks, duflu (hols), jamesh (hols), hellsworth(swap), jibel, kenvandine (out?), laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (going up), robert_ancell (out)13:31
oSoMoNTrevinho, don't crash that plane13:32
willcookehappy travels Trevinho13:32
willcookeFlight mode FTW13:32
willcookeLet's zip through the rls bugs13:32
jibelyou're also not supposed to use a laptop during takeoff13:33
willcookeLooks clear13:33
willcookeAlso clear13:33
ubot5Launchpad bug 1844575 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Pixelated fonts sometimes" [Undecided,New]13:34
willcookeIs it Wayland only?13:34
Laneythink so13:35
willcookeso yeah, -1 for rls status I guess13:35
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845188 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 19.10 Community Wallpapers" [Undecided,New]13:37
willcookeI tagged that, but really, it's not a release blocker13:37
willcookeI shouldn't have tagged it on reflection13:37
Laneygives me a chance to ask if anyone else wants to do it13:37
Laneygot my hands inside gdm, would be good not to switch13:38
willcookeWould anyone like to package up the wallpapers, they should be ready to go13:38
Laneyplus, easy packaging, could be fun for someone13:38
willcookeoSoMoN, I think you helped out last time, if you're interested?>13:38
Laneyplenty of examples in the history to copy13:38
oSoMoNyeah, can do13:38
willcookeAssigned, and untagged13:39
seb128thx oSoMoN13:39
willcookewhich is kinda odd, but I think that's opk13:39
seb128I can do review/sponsoring if needed13:39
willcookethanks seb12813:39
willcookenext up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/184519813:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845198 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "GNOME Shell seemingly locked up at login" [Critical,Confirmed]13:39
willcookewhich may be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1845017 too13:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845017 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Desktop hard lockup in 19.10" [Undecided,New]13:39
willcookeyeah, agree13:40
willcookeand I think there's really only one person to look at it, right?13:40
seb128assign to Trevinho (sorry Marco)13:40
seb128yes :/13:40
seb128well maybe duflu could but he's off atm13:40
seb128we can to tradding of some work once he's back if needed13:40
willcookeassigned and targetted13:41
willcookek, that's it for rls bugs.13:41
jibelanother ee-incoming is bug 184450913:41
ubot5bug 1844509 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-dm fails to start" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184450913:41
jibelit is not in the list and affects ubiquity but it's more likely due to a desktop component13:41
willcookejibel, so comment #2 is not true any more?13:41
jibelno it is not, I thought I added a comment to say so.13:42
jibelwill do13:42
seb128ideally foundations would do the investigation and bounce back to us if needed since they own ubiquity but do we count on that?13:42
willcookeoki, thanks13:42
willcookeseb128, I dont think we should count on it13:42
seb128anyway +113:42
willcookewho would like to work out what's going on in that one?13:43
willcookeis it related to the previous one?13:43
seb128dunno but I've the bug in a VM atm and looking at the logs13:43
seb128so feel free to assign to me for round 113:43
willcookethanks seb12813:43
seb128I hope it doesn't hope going back Marco's way :p13:44
* seb128 hugs Trevinho13:44
Laneybet not13:44
willcookeseb128, I was going to say - we should spend some time doing an "unassigned" review and seeing if we can trim the old rls bugs list.  Lets try and do that tomorrow?13:44
Laneybet it's something in the startup sequence rather than shell itself13:44
Laneyjust my guess, happy to put 10€ on it though13:45
seb128I'm not betting, made enough profit for the month :p13:45
willcooke#topic AOB13:45
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seb128willcooke, +1 on cleaning rls13:45
willcookeAnyone got anything13:45
willcookefor AOB13:45
seb128we should review now the targetted/unassigned list13:45
seb128since those are +1/-1 things13:45
seb128also proposedmigration13:45
willcookeseb128, you want to do the targetted ones in the meeting?13:46
seb128yes, we discussed that previous time and agreed it was the right to do iirc13:46
jibelAOB. I'd like to escalate bug 1840122. It's breaking automated tests and make iso testing a real PITA13:46
ubot5bug 1840122 in linux (Ubuntu Eoan) "System fails to reboot from live session or ubiquity-dm - squashfs_read_data failed to read block" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184012213:47
seb128it's basically the same as the incoming ones13:47
Laneyyou two mean different things by the word targetting13:47
seb128I mean http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:47
seb128for unassigned entries13:47
willcookejibel, I will escalate that one one13:48
willcookeseb128, oki, let's do it13:48
willcooke#topic unassigned rls bugs13:48
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ubot5Launchpad bug 1731459 in sane-backends (Debian) "genesys_gl847 scanners produce a black band in scanned images on Ubuntu 17.10+, 18.04 LTS and 18.10 Cosmic cuttlefish" [Unknown,Confirmed]13:49
willcookeGunnarHj, are you looking at that one for Bionic still?  ^13:50
seb128it that's fix commited we can skip those13:50
willcookeah yeah13:50
seb128looks like there is none on the bionic list13:50
seb128one one disco list13:51
ubot5Launchpad bug 1842904 in gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons (Ubuntu Disco) "New upstream release 19.01.4" [Undecided,New]13:51
willcookeassign duflu and see if he wants to push through the SRU?13:52
seb128I would delete the disco line13:52
seb128we got no user report and it's almost 19.10 time13:52
willcookethat works13:52
seb128duflu can still targetting it back with a sponsoring request if he wants13:53
willcookeee is clear13:53
willcooke#topic proposed migrations13:53
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willcookeAnything in that list cause for concern>13:54
Laneypromote those libcairo-gobject-perl ones13:55
Laneythe others are in hand13:55
Laney... well I'm wondering why g-i is foundations ...13:55
seb128p_itti's heritage? ;-)13:56
willcookeshould we move it to us13:56
seb128it would probably reflect better reality13:56
Laneymaybe they want to fix ruby-gnome13:56
seb128I looked a bit at this one yesterday btw and opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-gnome/+bug/184500813:56
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845008 in ruby-gnome (Ubuntu) "The autopkgtests are failing with glib 2.61+" [High,New]13:56
Laneythat's the only reason I just noticed13:56
willcookek, I will ask Pat when I speak to her about #184012213:57
Laneydon't really understand it well enough to fix it atm13:57
Laneybut the status is real there, new g-i does break that13:57
Laneyguess I could own it, might work on that later in the week13:57
willcookethanks Laney13:58
Laneythat is it13:58
willcooke#topic AOB213:58
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didrocksbetter than AOB1, obviously13:58
willcookeI was too eager last time13:59
willcookeAOB2.0 serverless13:59
willcookeanyone got anything?13:59
willcookein 5....13:59
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Sep 24 14:00:40 2019 UTC.14:00
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-09-24-13.30.moin.txt14:00
willcookethank you!14:00
willcookepopey, carry on :)14:00
* popey breathes 14:01
kenvandinepopey: atsome point today i'll get emails of the automated builds with the  gtk-common-themes update14:21
kenvandineall thanks to cwayne :)14:21
popeyWhat do you think of my question about removing content snaps?14:26
seb128popey, looks like something that should be solved by snapd for all snaps rather than requesting every single snap author to handle the case14:27
popeywell, i wasn't sure if it was an error in the snap-store snap or desktop launcher maybe14:27
seb128kenvandine, ^14:28
seb128popey, well if you use some content interface snapd should be able to tell no?14:28
popeyThat would indeed be sane :)14:29
seb128probably better discussed on discourse than here in any case14:29
popeyI'll start a forum thread, see what they say14:29
popeyagreed :D14:29
kenvandinepopey: i must have missed that14:38
seb128kenvandine, it was the minute before the meeting started14:44
kenvandineseb128: thanks14:45
kenvandinepopey: yeah, forum post i think14:46
kenvandinei'd argue that snapd shouldn't let you remove those if there are snaps that need them14:46
kenvandineif the snap being removed would be the last snap that provided the required interface, snapd should at least complain14:46
popeyyes, agreed, or worst case, should let you remove that snap, and install another which provides slots, and then carry on14:47
popeyAnyway, will start a thread14:47
* Trevinho landed... worried for the bugs 😓14:50
seb128Trevinho, don't for now :)14:54
Trevinhoseb128: on that lockup issue I'm quite sure is something lower in the stack though14:54
seb128Trevinho, short flight it was!14:54
seb128Trevinho, ah, "good"14:54
Trevinhowe're basically neighbors!14:54
Trevinhobut I fixed some gjs branches I had in queue.. and tracker miner, so good flight 😅14:55
seb128 :)14:56
seb128you should fly more often!14:57
Trevinhoif we only had that tunnel....14:57
* kenvandine uploaded the fix for the impatience extension, now I am a much happier gnome-shell user :)14:58
Trevinhokenvandine: 0.5 or less?15:00
kenvandinei use 0.315:03
kenvandineactually, no i have it set to 0.515:04
popeykenvandine: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/removing-content-snap-breaks-a-snap/1338215:08
willcookeTrevinho, have recreated the bug, but only by reboot about 5 times.15:08
willcookeohohohohoho, got a crash report15:08
willcookeha, but I can't interact with the crash dialog15:08
mitya57Trevinho: Hi! I see you looked at unity MRs, can you please also look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/compiz/+git/compiz/+merge/372943?15:12
Trevinhowillcooke: try get the same trace again15:13
willcookeTrevinho, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x8NhtvZXG5/15:15
willcooke(also added to the bug comments)15:16
jibelLaney, could you review bug 1843768 and the branch attached?15:24
ubot5bug 1843768 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Ubiquity with zsys install option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184376815:24
jibelLaney, this is the ffe for zfs in the installer15:25
jibelths MP is https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/37308715:26
jibelfor the shell zsys-setup apart from the layout of the dataset it's pretty standard sh, so it should not be a problem for you to review it too.15:27
jibeltell me is you have any question/comment15:27
Laneyjibel: ok, I will put it on the queue of stuff to do, thanks15:31
seb128jibel, do you think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1844689 is something you could look at?15:31
ubot5Launchpad bug 1844689 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Emoji fonts not included in the Desktop minimal installs" [Undecided,New]15:31
jibelseb128, sure15:32
jibelassign it to me15:32
seb128bah, I can't reproduce that ubiquity-dm issue by stopping everything and starting the job from a VT and the logs are not very useful :-/ debugging that kind of problems is annoying15:39
GunnarHjseb128: I may recall wrong, but I think that the ubiquity welcome screen only shows up on a legacy machine, i.e. without UEFI.15:43
marcustomlinsonhowdy hellsworth16:08
hellsworthhi marcus!16:21
Laneyanyone ever played with one of those toys where you take apart a cube made up of different shaped interlocking pieces and have to put it back together?16:23
Laneysurpisingly hard16:23
Laneythat's what gdm does to my brain16:23
hellsworthyep. they're fun but frustrating16:23
Laneyhey hellsworth16:23
hellsworthhi there16:23
Laneyanyway. fast user switching works here now, let's see what the reviewers say16:24
TrevinhoLaney: anyway related to the super-secret issue? :)16:25
TrevinhoLaney: and... where's the MP?16:25
Laneydunno what you mean16:25
Laneynot there yet, writing the commit message16:25
TrevinhoLaney: ah, nothing I was just creating some curiosity around :)16:26
Trevinhowillcooke: you were getting that issue at login, or lockscreen, I mean, I should just reboot various times and it should happen on gdm right?16:28
willcookeyeah login16:28
Trevinhohi hellsworth16:28
Trevinhowillcooke: mh, so we were analyzing the wrong shell xD16:29
hellsworthhi Trevinho16:29
willcookeTrevinho, oh?  I mean it logged in fine (it seems) and I got the proper desktop up16:29
Trevinhowillcooke: mh, so you login, and things hang, but having the user view in front of you, the dasktop say.. not the lockscreen16:30
willcookeTrevinho, correct. I've got the full desktop in front of me, but I can't click on anything.  The clock tells the right time though16:31
hellsworthkenvandine, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-clocks/merge_requests/27 and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-clocks/merge_requests/3216:49
kenvandinehellsworth: thanks16:51
kenvandinehellsworth: question is, do we wait for 32 to merge then rebase 27?16:53
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hellsworthkenvandine, nah I'd vote for merging 27 and let 32 be rebased17:04
oSoMoNseb128, I have an enigmail build of 2.1.2 in ppa:osomon/tb-tests with autopkgtests passing \o/17:14
oSoMoNI need to clean up my changes a bit, and it should be upload-able to eoan17:15
willcookenight all17:53
hellsworthkenvandine, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-mahjongg/merge_requests/1620:06
hellsworthkenvandine, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-tetravex/merge_requests/720:31
hellsworthkenvandine, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/hitori/merge_requests/2420:49
hellsworthkenvandine, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/lightsoff/merge_requests/721:09
hellsworthkenvandine, (or anyone really) I don't hear any sounds in quadrapassel installed from apt. Does anyone else? Without knowing what the sounds should be, I can't tell if my snap'd version has a correct sound section or not.21:52
kenvandineI'll check in the morning22:29

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