[00:33] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> Nobody knows?
[00:33] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> No one knows, like queen of stone age song
 Hmmm
 @Gabriel Horevicht [Nobody knows?], sounds like a good plan maybe
 @UniversalSuperBox [No, just run the installer], not with the "community" ports, no?
 @Gabriel Horevicht [Does have any problem to install with the "old" boot.img and then update to xeni …], you should theoretically be able to do the "manual" install and use the 16.04 rootfs tarball instead of the old 15.04 one, i guess
[02:28] <ubptgbot> <Sebastien Vienneau> Would you guys ever think of doing like and Android TV genre or is and call it like "UbunTVu" and something that puts your back in control of your TV experience something that has the words "Ubuntu + TV + You" in some cool form?
[02:29] <ubptgbot> <Sebastien Vienneau> [Edit] Would you guys ever think of doing like and Android TV genre of OS and call it like "UbunTVu" and something that puts your back in control of your TV experience something that has the words "Ubuntu + TV + You" in some cool form?
 UbuntuTV was a thin but it was based in Unity 7 so I don't think it'll be easy to ttansition to Unity 8 and I don't it's a goof investment if time and effort 😄
 In theory one could build a ubuntu tv device using a raspberrypi, raspbian, and unity, but I think the big hurdle atm is unity
[02:35] <ubptgbot> <Sebastien Vienneau> @Javacookies [UbuntuTV was a thin but it was based in Unity 7 so I don't think it'll be easy t …], What if you guys got "AnBox" fully working or do what Chromebooks/ChromeBoxes and Chromium based Distros like FydeOS does with running Linux apps in a container and run Android apps on Ubuntu touch can't you guys study what Chromi
[02:35] <ubptgbot> um projects have done and reverse engineer it?
[02:36] <ubptgbot> <Sebastien Vienneau> @Javacookies [UbuntuTV was a thin but it was based in Unity 7 so I don't think it'll be easy t …], [Edit] @Shakendo  … What if you guys got "AnBox" fully working or do what Chromebooks/ChromeBoxes and Chromium based Distros like FydeOS does with running Linux apps in a container and run Android apps on Ubuntu touch can't you gu
[02:36] <ubptgbot> ys study what Chromium projects have done and reverse engineer it?
 Anbox is basically android in a container
[02:37] <ubptgbot> <Sebastien Vienneau> @Shakendo [Anbox is basically android in a container], Then why is it so complicated and not simple like what Chromium has done?
 Cause its more complicated than how I put it, I dumbed it down a bit
[02:39] <ubptgbot> <Sebastien Vienneau> @Shakendo [Cause its more complicated than how I put it, I dumbed it down a bit], Then reverse engineer what Chromium has done to get Linux apps on itself...
 Well we are all volunteers here, so feel free to do that
 @Sebastien Vienneau [Then reverse engineer what Chromium has done to get Linux apps on itself...], Um, set up a whole significant infrastructure for running containers, one that is still not feature-complete? What Chromium has done isn't simple!
 It is if your just a end user, but the developers prob went through programming hell to make it all work
 Hi there, I have a question about the Anbox installation process
 When doing the following... … adb shell … sudo mount -o rw,remount / … sudo apt update … ...apt tells me there are updates available for some of the installed packages.  I was tempted do the upgrades like on my other linux systems: … sudo apt upgrage … but then I thought I should be cautious and not upgrade the packages.  Could I possibl
[04:47] <ubptgbot> e do damage to my existing, working system if I were to do the upgrade?  I'm on OTA-10 RC, btw. … Thanks!
 (oops, typo:  "sudo apt upgrade")
 Yes, you will break UT and have to do a full reinstall if you do apt upgrade
 UT doesnt do updates with apt, it does updates through the openstore
 Thanks!
 My spidy-sense started tingling when I was considering doing the apt upgrade. 🙈
 I had a feeling it would be a bad idea, but I was wondering what the official recommendation was.  Thanks, again.
[05:17] <ubptgbot> <Yann Escarbassiere> @Shakendo [Yes, you will break UT and have to do a full reinstall if you do apt upgrade], Yay .... I broke my fist time my UT ... X)
[05:22] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> oh well
[05:22] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> I'm at bluestacks at PC
[05:22] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> Managed to install UT xenial just by terminal and ubuntu-device-flash install
[05:23] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> But, lots of bugs, and can't find whatsapp kkkk any help with openstore?
[05:23] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> Besides all of that, can feel the UT freedom, just great, love the animations and sliding <3 tnx developers
 @Gabriel Horevicht [But, lots of bugs, and can't find whatsapp kkkk any help with openstore?], What do you need?
 @Gabriel Horevicht [But, lots of bugs, and can't find whatsapp kkkk any help with openstore?], There is no whatsapp man
[06:17] <ubptgbot> <Martin Menzel> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/lvjjvllw.webp
[08:18] <ubptgbot> EmilSMN was added by: EmilSMN
 Good day! Please tell me how to install Ubuntu Touch on the smartphone LG Magna h502f (my90ds), and I looked, but the normal user is not present.
 [Edit] Good day! Please tell me how to install Ubuntu Touch on the smartphone LG Magna h502f (my90ds) Not found as establish.
 @EmilSMN [Good day! Please tell me how to install Ubuntu Touch on the smartphone LG Magna …], You cannot currently, sorry.
[14:44] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Guys, sometimes Nexus 5 reboots itself after finishing a phone call. Anyone have experienced the same ?
 you get the black splash screen, or just the "ubuntu..." animation?
 oh cool, search in the app drawer is now as functional as the app scope … you can now search with wildcards and tags/search words
 typing is still stuttering though … app drawer = faster search results, slower typing … app scope = slower search results, faster typing 😅
 Lol
[15:17] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> anbox works on titan?
 Probably not
 [Edit] Probably not currently
[15:28] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> when i get to install UT on titan... oh well, i`ll be damned
[15:28] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> a dream had come true for like, 30 minutes
 Anbox is very experimental atm eitherway
 @Javacookies [typing is still stuttering though … app drawer = faster search results, slower typ …], I noticed the same trying
 @Javacookies [typing is still stuttering though … app drawer = faster search results, slower typ …], [Edit] I noticed the same thing
 @mark alexa [Guys, sometimes Nexus 5 reboots itself after finishing a phone call. Anyone have …], It's not normal. I have it before but only like 1-2 times
 Maybe a ram issue?
[15:41] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @dohbee [you get the black splash screen, or just the "ubuntu..." animation?], Both. But before that it freezes for about 30s.
 Freezes turns black and shows the ubuntu animation?
 Or freezes turns black, shows the nexus logo before showing the ubuntu animation
[15:44] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> so, in other words, i`m not able to use whatsapp on UT? neither anbox? how to daily use, then?
 @Gabriel Horevicht [so, in other words, i`m not able to use whatsapp on UT? neither anbox? how to da …], If you depend on using Whatsapp then UT is not for you.
 You will need to adapt yourself
[15:51] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> not my fault, the people on brazil only use that fckin app in university
[15:52] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> oh well, thanks guys for all help … going back to lineage, unfortunately
[15:52] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> keep going that awesome work
 👍👍👍
 Boa sorte
[15:53] <ubptgbot> <Gabriel Horevicht> é nóis bro hehe
 You could do it with whatsapp web
 Or well you could ask whatsapp about UT support
 in theory it could be possible to write UBPorts UI for yowsup Python library
 but it is never-ending battle of WhatsApp trying to ban alternative clients and them to evade
 Yeah unless we somehow get in contact with them somehow
 probably too small for them to even care
 @Fuseteam [You could do it with whatsapp web], well, no, you still need a device with proper whatsapp running to use the web site
 I suppose
 it can be Android VM on desktop for example
 theoretically yes
 @NotKit [probably too small for them to even care], They supported the old nokia's? And windows phone even untill it went down
 @dohbee [https://ubuntu-touch.io is the site for the OS. UBports is the foundation.], Rodney, thanks, but....  That simply changes the question.  Where on the site https://ubuntu-touch.io , does a person learn what is the current stable version?  I can't find it shown anywhere on that site, either.
 @dln949 [Rodney, thanks, but....  That simply changes the question.  Where on the site ht …], I guess I don't know what you're asking to find then. The current stable version is what you get when you install to a device from the "stable" channel
 it is currently based on ubuntu 16.04
 Well, there is no place where that's announced... I guess it's never seemed necessary
 Since the install procedure doesn't require you to care
 Unlike most distros where you emblazon it on your "Download" page
 Stupid question (or not so stupid): Does the Nexus 5 have a compass? If so, it doesn't seem to work. (I noticed using the brilliant Stellarium port.)
 it does have one
 So: It appears it does not work with UT.
 or you have one with defective hardware: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/2xsad2/how_can_i_reset_compass_data_on_the_nexus_5/cpbfx74/
 Possibly. Could someone with a Nexus 5   check with the "SensorStatus" app?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/ULzKH4Jn.png
 It may be related to the gps?
 Yep. Looks the same for my N5. Does anyone have it working?
 I don't think it is related to FPS, they are different sensors. Magnetic sensors usually exploit the Hall effect, which is actually much simpler than measuring GPS.
 [Edit] I don't think it is related to GPS, they are different sensors. Magnetic sensors usually exploit the Hall effect, which is actually much simpler than measuring GPS.
 Should I file an issue? With which component?
 If you think it worth doing it, I think the safe bet is to do it here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues
 @dohbee [or you have one with defective hardware: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comment …], The link deals with compass readings that are off. But it appears UT does not report compass readings at all.
 @ruedigerkupper [The link deals with compass readings that are off. But it appears UT does not re …], well the link doesn't know about UT at all. i don't know if compass works on any devices currently. if not perhaps it's an issue for libhybris. does compass work in sailfish for example?
 otherwise if it's only on nexus 5, it's harder to say. and if for some people it does work, then perhaps it is a hardware issue.
 but a sample size of 2 i think is not enough to say that it's not a hardware issue
 Agreed. Anyone listening: would you mind testing your compass redings with "SensorStatus" on UT or on other OS?
 Iirc compass doesn't work in stellarium
 Hi! Sorry, what is lirc compass?
 Haha ignore the iirc
 It stands for 'if i recall correctly'
 All right! Thanks :-). What device are you running? Does it report in SensorStatus?
 I'm running on a E5 and uh it was mentioned once
 I did not run sensor status at the time i wrote that :p
 there is a compass app `Xompass` in the Open Store but it only works with a few devices.  It might work on Nexus 5 - worth a test.
 Can you check if it works in xompass?
 ...... Dang steve'd :p
 @Fuseteam [...... Dang steve'd :p], brilliant minds think alike 😉
 Maybe :p
 @Fuseteam [Maybe :p], I will admit that you are smarter than me though ☺
 In my case xompass kinda works even tho sensorstatus does not report it
 Checked: Not working for me. Hitting the Calibrate button does nothing at all.
 @TotalSonic [I will admit that you are smarter than me though ☺], I wouldn't say that
 Guys, you're so charming...
 @Fuseteam [I wouldn't say that], well, I have zero clue how to code a flik keyboard, that's for sure
 Lol
 i think stellarium doesn't use Qt, so it can't use compass via QtSensors, indeed
 @TotalSonic [well, I have zero clue how to code a flik keyboard, that's for sure], Copy paste and modify
 Stole it from the japanese layout and adapted it :p
 @Fuseteam [Stole it from the japanese layout and adapted it :p], "mediocre composers borrow, genius ones steal" - Igor Stravinsky
 Ehhh
 But yeah neither sensorstatus nor stellarium appear to be good benchmark for compass readings
 sensorstatus should work at least for all the sensors that work
 Xompass works for me yet sensorstatus doesn't report it
 @Fuseteam [It stands for 'if i recall correctly'], Fun part: I misread it for LIRC and googled LIRC=Linux Remote Control. It instantly set me off wondering how an infra red compass could work 😝.
 Unless xompass is doing some magic
 @ruedigerkupper [Fun part: I misread it for LIRC and googled LIRC=Linux Remote Control. It instan …], Ha! Should have known that you read I as l
 @ruedigerkupper [Fun part: I misread it for LIRC and googled LIRC=Linux Remote Control. It instan …], [Edit] Ha! Should have known that you read I as l 🙈
 It's actually conceivable: Measure direction of strongest IR activity (sun), calculate against clock time and get orientation. It only works in daytime, though.
 That's how you get your orientation using an (analog) wrist watch...
 It is?
 i usually look around when trying to orient myself, rather than at my wrist :P
 anyway, getting off topic :P
 I look for the sun too but yeah we are :P
 Right. So what is the best way checking if the compass works? I thought SensorStatus was, but it seems Xompass can work while Sensorstatus doesn't. Getting confused.
 I'd say xompass atm
 @ruedigerkupper [Right. So what is the best way checking if the compass works? I thought SensorSt …], execut test_compass if there is any
 But i digress i have no idea how xompass works
 Or is it in cluded in test_sensors?
 At least it should be listed there
 I get 9 sensors
 But only 1 listed
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/bKEjRNc1.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/sDdZq0RH.null
 looks quite different for me:
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], Thats a known problem with libhybris, as soon as it should print float values it segfaults lol
 Ah lol
 No compass reading in test_sensors.
 (for me)
 Hmm
 It aborts for me, too. No reason reported.
 @Flohack [Thats a known problem with libhybris, as soon as it should print float values it …], Appearently a known bug
 Observe the message "library sensors.oem.so not found". Could it be related?
 @ruedigerkupper [Agreed. Anyone listening: would you mind testing your compass redings with "Sens …], Sensor status in UT on my Nexus 5 shows no reading from my compass.
 Xompass is stuck at azimuth -1 no matter which way I turn it. Calibrate button does nothing on mine either.
 test_sensors says I have 7 but aborts testing after showing 6 because of invalid pointer error.
 I am not sure if compass ever worked on any device ^^
 @Flohack [I am not sure if compass ever worked on any device ^^], according to the Xompass Open Store info it says it should work on BQ E4.5, and might work on BQ E5
 Makes me wonder too
 Works on E5
 not always the most accurate
 Okay. That seems compass is work in progress in UT. Since we have such beautiful apps like Stellarium (or geocaching apps) which use the campass, I suggest filing it as a feature request.
 Feel free if it isn't already
 (Voice, 0s) https://irc.ubports.com/D2kMFmWz.oga
 @ruedigerkupper [Okay. That seems compass is work in progress in UT. Since we have such beautiful …], even if compass sensor works on devices, i'm not sure stellarium can use it, if it's not using Qt
 Right, but that is a secondary problem. I feel prioroties are: … 1. Make compass readings available on UT for all devices. (This affects UBPorts in general.) … 2. Implement its usage in apps (this affects individual apps like Stellarium or Geocaching).
 Right now, we should go for 1.
 Well feel free to debug libhybris then ^^
 [Edit] Right, but that is a secondary problem. I feel priorities are: … 1. Make compass readings available on UT for all devices. (This affects UBPorts in general.) … 2. Implement its usage in apps (this affects individual apps like Stellarium or Geocaching).
 And see here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/38
 So there is a bug report
 Now what socery is xompass doing
 Hi Florian, I can't, I'm lacking the skills for doing so. Sorry, but that's how it is. Meanwhile (I try improving) I hope I can help reporting bugs as secifically as possible.
 @Fuseteam [Now what socery is xompass doing], not working
 Works on the E5.........
 so you think it does
 @Flohack [And see here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/38], Okay, so #38 is the place, thank you.
 i think magnetic field sensor is just not handled
 @dohbee [i think magnetic field sensor is just not handled], Not handled where?
 @Flohack [Not handled where?], i'm not sure if hybris does enough, but in qtubuntu-sensors we only have accelerometer and orientation supported
 But then it shouldn't work on any device. But apparently it is on BQ E5.
 [Edit] But then it shouldn't work on any device. But apparently it does on BQ E5.
 @ruedigerkupper [But then it shouldn't work on any device. But apparently it does on BQ E5.], no, it doesn't
 @Fuseteam [Works on the E5.........], See above.
 @ruedigerkupper [See above.], This is not using QtSensors
 looks like it's a hacky thing that's hard-coded to poke at `/sys/devices/` files, and probably only "works" on MTK devices
 `        ifstream myfile ("/sys/devices/platform/msensor/driver/sensordata", ios::in );`
 in fact, it says it only works on e4.5, and might work on e5, and doesn't work on pretty much every other device
 That seems to correspond to the above reports.
 omg direct sensor access how nice
 not nice
 it was sarcastic
 but anyway, sensors seems to be another thing where we need a lot of work. also looks like orientation "sensor" is not actually using orientation sensor from hybris, but is just wrapping accelerometer
 @dohbee [looks like it's a hacky thing that's hard-coded to poke at /sys/devices/ files, …], There we go the magic unveiled