[02:43] <Jamesg27> tomreyn hello there, you helped me 2 nights before.. I have returned to Linux after a long hiatus.. installed ubuntu studio on a toshiba satellite laptop but after install keyboard and trackpad do not work.. they work in the bios just not in login screen or after logged in.. using a usb keybrd and mouse at the moment.. I have  uninstalled 19.04 and
[02:43] <Jamesg27> installed 18.04 LTS like tom said, I  sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all.. without luck, installed synpatics packages through synaptic package manager.. I read a user that said that after he upgraded to kernel 5.1.16 through PPA he resolved the issue, the kernel I have right now is the one that came with 18.04 LTS "4.15.0-64-lowlatency"
[02:43] <Jamesg27> but I do not know what other action i should take...
[02:45] <Jamesg27> I also took laptop apart disconnected keyboard and trackpad, dusted the insides, and cleaned ribbons and then reconnected again.. to the same result, they work normally in the bios but not after.. I can see how the light on the 'numlock' key stays on permanently in losing screen and beyond..
[02:50] <Jamesg27> I don't know how i can update the kernel, as I want to keep the low latency kernel which is the reason I installed and am eager to try ubuntu studio...
[02:51] <Eickmeyer> !hwe | Jamesg27: Try this
[02:53] <Jamesg27> Eickmeyer thank you very much, will try the 18.04 solution right now..
[02:54] <Jamesg27> I had installed the 19.04 on the first run but Tomreyn advised for me to stick to 18.04 its since I was having these hardware issues.
[02:58] <Jamesg27> I did it, and rebooted, this is what it said on the terminal:
[02:58] <Jamesg27> linux-generic-hwe-18.04 is already the newest version (5.0.0.29.86).The following packages will be REMOVED:  xserver-xorg-input-allThe following NEW packages will be installed:  xserver-xorg-hwe-18.040 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[03:15] <Jamesg27> Hi, sorry to bother u again but I have done something very stpid by mistake... I accidentally just now disabled the mouse in the 'mouse and touchpad' GUI.. and now i don't have a mouse, could somebody please help me enable the mouse through the terminal? I am logged in the machine through ssh..
[03:15] <Jamesg27> its a usb mouse
[03:21] <Jamesg27> Found some directions here.. https://lxadm.com/Disable_/_enable_keyboard_and_mouse_in_Linux  but when i try the very fist command 'input --list' I get Unable to connect to X server
[03:32] <Jamesg27> I am at an impasse, I am connected to the machine through ssh and would like to enable the usb mouse (the only working mouse) through terminal.. the machine has gone dark because of screensaverr.. and I can't move the mouse because it is disabled..
[03:49] <Jamesg27>  ok resolved it by getting an usb mouse from my gf... found another one, it worked and I enabled the usb one.. wow
[04:35] <jamesg27> I am now trying to understand why the external usb  keyboard, connects and disconnects by itself... it is very strange '=(
[04:37] <Eickmeyer> jamesg27: rather than writing paragraphs in here, you might get some actual support from the #ubuntu channel (remember, Ubuntu Studio IS Ubuntu, not a derivitive). Alas, I can't help beyond what I've already helped with as I'm getting ready for the release of 19.10 Beta which should land tomorrow. But, since #ubuntu is much more active, you might get help there.
[04:40] <jamesg27> Thank you for your response..and for clearing that up, you say that it is Ubuntu, so everything of Ubuntu I can apply in Ubuntustudio?
[04:41] <Eickmeyer> Aside from the desktop environment specific stuff, yes.
[04:41] <Eickmeyer> The "Studio" bit just tells you what's installed by default. Much like the K in Kubuntu or the X in Xubuntu or the L in Lubuntu.
[04:42] <Eickmeyer> It's ALL part of Ubuntu. :)
[04:42] <jamesg27> ahh I understand, I thought the kernel of Ubuntustudio was specific for working with graphics, video, etc...
[04:42] <Eickmeyer> One of my pet peeves is how Distrowatch lists us as separate distros.
[04:42] <jamesg27> that it was tweaked at a profound level compared to normal Ubuntu..
[04:42] <Eickmeyer> No, no no. It's more tuned for audio work, but is just a few flags different than the generic kernel.
[04:43] <Eickmeyer> Not that profound. Just a few configs here and there, but nothing earth-shattering.
[04:43] <Eickmeyer> We're too small of a team for that.
[04:43] <jamesg27> Ahhh ok ok thank you I am understanding better now..
[04:44] <jamesg27> Do you recommend that I stay with the default desktop for this laptop with hardware config problems?
[04:44] <Eickmeyer> There are literally a handfull of us (5).
[04:44] <jamesg27> I understand..
[04:45] <jamesg27> Since it is not a very powerful laptop, it came originally with win 8, I thought that maybe another theme  other than xfce would be lighter
[04:45] <Eickmeyer> If the default Ubuntu desktop is what you want (GNOME), and it was working better, I'd suggest sticking with that.
[04:45] <Eickmeyer> To get the benefits of Ubuntu Studio on that, we have this:
[04:46] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[04:46] <jamesg27> I have never used it before the only one I have tried is the desktop that came with Ubuntustudio 18.04 LTS the one on now
[04:47] <jamesg27> Ahh thank you will save that. Do you think I should try a normal Ubuntu install and that solution you just shared with me.. that that maybe would help these hardware issues?
[04:47] <Eickmeyer> Well, to be clear, Ubuntu Studio 18.04 isn't LTS unless you use the backports PPA because we did not release it beyond a 9-month support cycle initially.
[04:48] <Eickmeyer> However, Ubuntu (and all other flavors) ARE LTS for 18.04, so we had to do something.
[04:48] <Eickmeyer> Again, if Ubuntu was working better, go with that and install the installer along with the Backports PPA.
[04:48] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports
[04:49] <Eickmeyer> Although, another resource is #xubuntu since we share the same default desktop environment and they can probe deeper.
[04:49] <jamesg27> haven't tried Ubuntu install yet, have just installed Ubuntustudio
[04:50] <jamesg27> Ahh thank you
[04:50] <Eickmeyer> Our specialty is the multimedia stuff, not necessarily the GUI itself.
[04:50] <Eickmeyer> But, all flavors are supported equallly in #ubuntu.
[04:54] <jamesg27> I understand thank you... I work with video projections, vector images, that is why I thought that Ubuntustudio would be the flavor for me
[04:56] <Eickmeyer> Oh, absolutely. I'm a 25-year audio engineer, 15-year video producer, and a 12-year professional photographer. That's part of how I landed here
[04:56] <jamesg27> Wow that is great! :)
[04:57] <Eickmeyer> Then about 18 months ago, I got involved with Ubuntu Studio and was shortly handed the reigns.
[04:58] <jamesg27> I c.. so the channel is more about specific multimedia aspects of Ubuntustudio, and my questions or hardware props, like usb kybd connecting and disconnecting is more of a general Ubuntu question
[04:59] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Every now and then you might get lucky and get someone more familiar with that here, but not likely this time of night. It's a matter of how many people active in a channel at a given time. #ubuntu is far more active.
[05:01] <Eickmeyer> 38 here, 116 in #xubuntu, and 1108 in #ubuntu.
[05:01] <Eickmeyer> And most of those in each channel are just lurking.
[05:04] <jamesg27> ok got it
[05:07] <jamesg27> And the versions are the same, I mean, I now have Bionic Beaver 18.04, everything of vanilla Ubuntu 18.04 applies as well
[05:07] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[05:07] <Eickmeyer> There's a reason the codenames are all the same.
[05:14]  * Eickmeyer is out
[10:17] <studd> hello
[10:18] <studd> Is there a way tp increase the scale of some apps like ardour? it's tiny on my screen
[10:24] <studd> all the ubuntu studio tools are small
[12:14] <wonko> Eickmeyer: Ah, you've learned all about, "You're willing to help? It's yours now, sucker!" :-D
[12:20] <wonko> OvenWerks: As strange as this seems to me, it looks like that BIOS update actaully fixed that odd error I posted yesterday. Haven't seen it since.
[13:45] <wonko> Jack still restarts so I'm going to go back to the shorter cable to see if that helps because honestly I don't know what else it could be.
[13:50] <wonko> I'm not sure that helped or not last time though.
[14:29] <Eickmeyer> wonko: Yeah, it's a constant struggle. Most of the time people, especially Studio users, don't know the vast resources available to them.
[14:35] <wonko> I wonder what the best way to educate them is?
[14:35] <wonko> can you do some sort of tip popup thing in xfce?
[14:35] <wonko> that's probably the most effective option
[14:35] <wonko> although I do tend to ignore those and set them to leave me along first thing
[14:35] <wonko> so maybe not. :)
[14:40] <Eickmeyer> wonko: It's in the wiki and on the website, so people just aren't paying attention. Definitely a minority of users.
[14:41] <wonko> There's a wiki? :-D
[15:50] <wonko> hmm, jack restart with shorter cable, so I'm pretty sure it's not related to the cable (or the cable just needs to be way shorter than I can make it)
[17:08] <OvenWerks> wonko: in the end, because this problem is unique to you, you have to face the posibility that there is a hw problem as well. It is unlikely to be the actual USB hw, but possibly the hw that deals with the usb hw or the way it relates to that hw.
[17:10] <OvenWerks> but before going there, have you run Ardour directly on alsa with that device? I don't recall anything you are using that requires jack.
[17:11] <OvenWerks> maybe try turning jack off and running ardour with alsa and see if that has the same problem
[17:11] <OvenWerks> (though the alsa back end in ardour is very similar to jack or at least jackd 1 anyway)
[17:12] <OvenWerks> if you have dual boot to windows, does this problem persist? Does it persist with a generic kernel?
[17:14] <OvenWerks> wonko: Eickmeyer has said that the 19.10 beta has better handling of memory reservation. it may be worth while trying that.
[17:14] <Eickmeyer> Our latest CD image is marked as ready for beta, so that would be the one.
[17:15] <OvenWerks> qsynth is just a wrapper for fluid synth and Ardour comes with a-fluidsynth as a plugin so it should be possible to load the same sound fonts
[18:05] <wonko> OvenWerks: I'll definitely give the non-jack version a go to see if that's different. As a datapoint though, I ran this same setup under 18.04 for years with exactly zero issues so it may just be something that's changed from 18.04 -> 19.04
[18:07] <wonko> Also, no dual boot
[18:12] <wonko> Yeah, I don't know how to do things without jack. :)
[18:17] <OvenWerks> So it may be the memory error which is fixed in 19.10
[18:18] <wonko> Ok, I'll wait for 19.10 then
[18:19] <wonko> am I going to be able to upgrade to the beta or will I need to wait for the actual release?
[18:23] <OvenWerks> wonko: I think it is possible (wait for tomorrow I am told) but I am not so sure of the proceedure.
[18:26] <wonko> Ok, no super rush on this, just curious
[18:31] <OvenWerks> wonko: you could run from a usb stick for testing with out install
[18:32] <wonko> Well, the problem there is it doesn't happen regularly
[18:32] <wonko> so my computer would essentially be useless to me until it happened (or not)
[18:32] <wonko> so I'll just wait to upgrade
[18:41] <OvenWerks> right
[19:23] <mobijubo> Thanks for the awesome Ubuntu Studio. I like it a lot.
[19:30] <mobijubo> I have a question that is not Ubuntu Studio specific. If I buy an USB connected mic, can I plug it into jack patchbay as a 3rd input. I currently have only 2-channel USB sound card and I ain't making too much money right now, so expanding to 3-track with just a USB mic of few tens of euros would be good.
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> mobijubo: Usually those things work fine.
[20:29] <wonko> Unless it's my webcam. :)
[20:34] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, poor wonko.
[20:41] <mobijubo> Thanks for the info Eickmeyer
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> yw mobijubo
[20:49] <OvenWerks> mobijubo: if you use ubuntustudio-controls to run jackd the usb mic will show up on the jackd graph
[20:50] <OvenWerks> if you use qjackctl or (please not with Studio cadence) extra steps will be needed (it gets more complicated)
[20:52] <OvenWerks> mobijubo: also, you will want the latest version of ubuntustudio-controls. The one that will come with 19.10. It is available as far back as 18.04 from the Studio backports PPA
[20:53] <mobijubo> OvenWerks: I have the backports PPA installed
[20:54] <OvenWerks> cool. -controls listens for usb audio interfaces being hot plugged and adds them to jack if it is running