[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:05] <immu> good morning
[05:14] <immu> hi ducasse
[05:21] <immu> goodmorning every one
[05:21] <EoflaOE> Good morning immu, how is your day?
[05:21] <immu> i am sick, body pain and fever
[05:21] <immu> u
[05:22] <EoflaOE> All fine.
[05:22] <immu> i dropped back from 19.10 to 19.04 bakc
[05:22] <EoflaOE> Because it has too many bugs? Or because it lags?
[05:24] <immu> issues
[05:26] <EoflaOE> Like what?
[05:27] <immu> it would freeze, i played a game bubble, left myt workstation and saw it go full screen and free
[05:27] <immu> i could move the mouse but couldn't get back to desktop
[05:27] <immu> issues with steam
[05:27] <immu> like i386 packages wont install, nvidia driver issue
[05:28] <EoflaOE> OK.
[05:29] <immu> u on?
[05:29] <EoflaOE> Me on? What do you mean? Clarify more
[05:33] <immu> which version of ubuntu you are running on
[06:19] <ducasse> good morning
[06:24] <immu> 19.10 has steam issues
[06:45] <immu> so upgrade with caution if you play games on it
[06:48] <ducasse> hi immu
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: nutcase night again
[18:47] <jink> Always.
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> hey jink
[18:47] <jink> Ola.
[19:10] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: hehe, oh yes
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: what kernel did you say 18.04 hwe edge was again?
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: got a flicker bug customer coming tomorrow
[19:13] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: 5.0 by default, but proposed has 5.3 for it
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> oh
[19:14] <tomreyn> porbably not customer ready
[19:14] <tomreyn> though i'm running it since yesterday and it works fine
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> ill do the cstate workaround then
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> and wait for next HWE kernel version best?
[19:18] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i can't really make this decision. ;)  i guess the cstate workaround has side effects? if so, maybe try the 5.3 in proposed on an affected test system. maybe look for newer bios updates, too.
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i tested the bios updates dont influence this bug
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i didnt notice much power sucking on the cstate option
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> and i know kernel 5.2 abd 5.3 fixes this bug too
[19:23] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: so the choice you need to make is between having users set a kernel parameter (which they will likely not think of removing later when they could and should), rebuilding the kernel regularly to incorporate this changed kernel parameter by default (a relevant maintenance overhead, and need to establish a deplyoment mechanism / apt repository for customers to use), providing instructions for users to use the -hwe-edge kernel
[19:23] <tomreyn> from '-proposed' until it migrates to '-updates' and later becomes available as -hwe
[19:24] <tomreyn> you can please this in e.g. /etc/apt/preferences.d/proposed-updates : //termbin.com/3n1x
[19:24] <tomreyn> you can *place* this in e.g. /etc/apt/preferences.d/proposed-updates : https://termbin.com/3n1x
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: ill have to think this over a bit, cause this same model has that intel wifi bug too, i fixxed with installing oem sp1 kernel
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: so i think ill first try to workaround cstate, and see if his wifi still works on 5.0 HWE
[19:28] <tomreyn> good luck
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> tnx