[00:00] <Eickmeyer> Agreed.
[14:41] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: The qjackctl systray/notifier item is messed up again. The icon doesn't display, and the menu either...
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> How did that happen?!?
[14:42] <OvenWerks> I guess we need to add more of it's functionality to controls
[14:42] <OvenWerks> I would guess either Rui has changed something or xfce has.
[14:42] <OvenWerks> ... or the lib that both rely on has
[14:43] <Eickmeyer> Strange. I don't see any problems on my end. Did you remember to select "enable system tray icon"?
[14:44] <OvenWerks> https://i.imgur.com/CEu7Zm5.png
[14:44] <OvenWerks> That triangle is qjackctl
[14:45] <Eickmeyer> I don't see that here. Can't reproduce. I have the standard qjackctl icon.
[14:45] <OvenWerks> this is 19.10 BTW
[14:45] <Eickmeyer> Same.
[14:46] <OvenWerks> hm. I didn't change the icon theme
[14:46] <Eickmeyer> I literally just tried it myself without issue. You /might/ have to go into qt5ct and select an icon theme.
[14:46] <Eickmeyer> (it might not be selected)
[14:47] <Eickmeyer> If that's the case, I'll fix the defaults file.
[14:48] <OvenWerks> That didn't change anything and besides the menu doesn't work either
[14:49] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, then there's something weird on your end. I can't reproduce.
[14:50] <OvenWerks> maybe after a reboot...
[14:53] <Eickmeyer> The system I'm on is a fresh install.
[14:53] <OvenWerks> This too
[14:55] <OvenWerks> Yuck, something new... some of the icons fade to BG colour if they have no mouse over.
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> Again, that's weird. I can't reproduce that.
[14:56] <OvenWerks> So I set up a second panel (on right display) and add items. Some of them can't be seen till I mouse over then they show.
[14:57] <OvenWerks> I thought maybe they went dark so I changed the panel BG colour... but no they fade
[14:57] <Eickmeyer> I do know xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin has a strange  bug where it won't show the proper volume level until you mouseover it, but I can't see any issues on the other side.
[14:57] <OvenWerks> Try adding "Directory menu" to your panel.
[14:59] <OvenWerks> The audio indicator? it seems fine here. The mute or on off button to the side of the level control is... ugly or out of place or something
[15:01] <Eickmeyer> Ok, for the directory menu, I can see the problem with the dark icon, but once the menu is open no issues whatsoever. That's just a side-effect of having a dark panel with that icon theme. THe indicator icons have zero issues.
[15:01] <Eickmeyer> Not ideal, but there's nothing we can do about it.
[15:02] <OvenWerks> I know it is a design choice, but really, I need to see the icon before I get to it not after... how else do I know where it is?
[15:03] <Eickmeyer> Can probably file a bug against the papirus icon theme.
[15:03] <OvenWerks> It is not just dark, I tried making the panel background a light grey and the icon is still just as hard to see.
[15:04] <OvenWerks> Oh hey, that sweird... problem solved
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> O_o
[15:04]  * Eickmeyer blames xfce 4.14 now.
[15:04] <OvenWerks> when I changed the background back to None (use system theme) the problem went away
[15:05] <Eickmeyer>  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:06] <OvenWerks> I can see my icons now.
[15:06] <Eickmeyer> \o/
[15:06] <OvenWerks> reboot to see if qjackctl behaves nicer
[15:09] <OvenWerks> Hmm, the qjackctl icon is right, but it still has no left click menu
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I can't reproduce that. Very odd.
[15:15] <OvenWerks> re lsp plugins - lsp-plugins-ladspa.so gives undefines symbol
[15:16] <OvenWerks> There are a whole pile of vst errors too.
[15:17] <Eickmeyer> That's reallly weird. I can't reproduce that.
[15:18] <OvenWerks> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tFDGxRBqbR/
[15:18] <OvenWerks> basically that is what showed up in Ardour in the plugin scan
[15:19] <Eickmeyer> Again, very odd. I'm not seeing that at all.
[15:20] <Eickmeyer> I've used Ardour and lsp-plugins several times over the past few days.
[15:21] <OvenWerks> It only scans plugins if you ask it to. there are no errors on sedcond start (they are probably already blacklisted :)
[15:23] <Eickmeyer> Ok, looking at that those plugins aren't meant to be run outside of a plugin host or the standalone clients.
[15:23] <Eickmeyer> So, expected.
[15:23] <OvenWerks> the carla rack does show up inside so that is ok.
[15:24] <Eickmeyer> Yes, as it should.
[15:25] <Eickmeyer> My clue is that not every LSP plugin was having difficulty in your log. Just the select few. I mean, it's about 90 plugins in total.
[15:26] <OvenWerks> Ya, but none of the ladspa versions show up at all in the plugin selector.
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> Screw the ladspa versions. Am I right?
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> Those are just there for lmms as far as I'm concerned.
[15:26] <OvenWerks> jsut want to see if they work in lmms
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> ok
[15:28] <OvenWerks> I see no lsp plugins in lmms
[15:29] <OvenWerks> no errors either
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> Hmmmm.....
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> I'd bug report that to the developer. I worked with him on the packaging, and it doesn't build outside of any defaults.
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> I can't check to reproduce right now, though.
[15:30] <OvenWerks> can you run qtracktor?
[15:31] <OvenWerks> I have blank menus
[15:35] <Eickmeyer> qtracktor runs fine, no blank menus.
[15:35] <OvenWerks> I am going to remove and reinstall it.
[15:35] <OvenWerks> it sounds like the same problem as for qjackctl
[15:36] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Seems like the qt problems I was having (the reason I included qt5ct was to circumvent these problems).
[15:37] <OvenWerks> kdenlive is fine
[15:38] <Eickmeyer> kdenlive uses the KDE Frameworks, so not much surprise there.
[15:38] <OvenWerks> reinstalling qtracktor does not grab any extra libs... 
[15:39] <OvenWerks> still bad. It is like the items are there but I can't see them.
[15:39] <Eickmeyer> Did you run qt5ct?
[15:40] <Eickmeyer> I'm just curious.
[15:40] <OvenWerks> I did... but I did not make any changes
[15:40] <Eickmeyer> Ok, try to make a change and see what it does.
[15:41] <OvenWerks> I can see menus
[15:41] <OvenWerks> Oh I can hear myself type too... (just added a qtracktor track
[15:42] <Eickmeyer> Ok, so that tells me qt5ct is the problem. *sigh*
[15:42] <Eickmeyer> Might be something I need to work on in the seed.
[15:42] <OvenWerks> still no menu for qjcakctl indicator.
[15:42] <Eickmeyer> And -default-settings.
[15:42] <Eickmeyer> Xfce might have to be restarted (or qjackctl) to get the menu for that.
[15:43] <Eickmeyer> qt5ct doesn't make changes to running apps, unfortunately.
[15:43] <OvenWerks> I started qjackctl after and the change did show up in the running qtractor
[15:47] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that tells me theres things that still need to be tweaked. I'll try to fix that today. Could you do a bug report against ubuntustudio-default-settings and add ubuntustudio-meta to it? Just do it from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> I might be removing qt5ct from the seed.
[15:48] <OvenWerks> I changed the theme from windows to Fusion
[15:49] <Eickmeyer> Default theme for qt5ct should be gtk2.
[15:49] <OvenWerks> style sorry
[15:49] <Eickmeyer> The style, I mean.
[15:49] <OvenWerks> There are only two styles: windows and fusion
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> Make sure that qt5-style-plugins is installed (maybe I omitted that from the seed).
[15:51] <OvenWerks> not there
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> Ok, there's the bug. File the bug against meta then, it's not a default-settings issue. I know what needs to be done.
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> I forgot to include that package.
[15:53] <Eickmeyer> Much easier bug to fix than -default-settings.
[15:54] <OvenWerks> What should I label the bug?
[15:56] <OvenWerks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1845857
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> That works.
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> I'll fix later today.
[15:59] <OvenWerks> whenever
[16:04] <OvenWerks> there is still no alsa-tools icon
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> That's a known bug in hicolor, I thought.
[16:06] <OvenWerks> could be, but we could either add our own icon or... file a bug with the right package ... and maybe supply an icon.
[16:07] <OvenWerks> alsa-tools should include the icon
[16:08] <Eickmeyer> Agreed, but it doesn't. Having our own icon would work too.
[16:08] <OvenWerks> huh, alsa tools does not supply the desktop files either
[16:08] <OvenWerks> Where do those come from?
[16:09] <Eickmeyer> cd /usr/share/Applications
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> oops... wrong window
[16:10] <OvenWerks> Yes I remember now. they changed the icons
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> Ah.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> but did not change the desktop files to match.
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> dpkg -S tells you which package provided a particular file.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> alsa-tools-gui
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Ok, so they didn't fix that bug.
[16:12] <OvenWerks> I am not sure where upstream would be for that
[16:12] <OvenWerks> but it probably wasn't fixed because upstream hasn't
[16:19] <OvenWerks> we could add one anyway... It seems to me it ends up being used as sort of a default for other packages as well
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> Hmmm.... should the icon go in -icon-theme or -menu?
[16:22] <OvenWerks> we added /usr/share/pixmaps/ffado.xpm at some point. I think it could be removed
[16:22] <OvenWerks> ffado mixer has it's own icon now
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> OK, we could remove that.
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> If we want this to change before 19.10 final, we need bug reports, though.
[16:25] <OvenWerks> that file doesnt have to be removed right now. but adding alsa-tools would be good which package do we want to bug?
[16:25] <OvenWerks> -menu would make sense
[16:25] <OvenWerks>  (to me)
[16:26] <OvenWerks> we don't install -menu :)
[16:26] <OvenWerks> where did we move that to?
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Uh... we do install menu. I have it installed right now.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> sudo apt search ubuntustudio-menu shows it installed.
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> Go ahead and file it against -menu. It probably just needs a symlink.
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> To the alsa-tools ico.
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> *icon
[16:37] <OvenWerks> there is no alsa-tools icon but that could be a symlink to almost any utility icon emblem-system for example.
[16:39] <OvenWerks> like a setup icon
[16:39] <Eickmeyer> I'll see what I can find.
[16:46] <OvenWerks> preferences-activities, utilities-tweak-tool   I am not sure which packages these came from but there shouold be a generic setup icon that would work that comes with the basic icon set all ubuntu flavours use
[16:50] <OvenWerks> the hicolor package only installs directories :P
[16:55] <Eickmeyer> I'm notiing a lot of it comes from the elementary icon themes. There should be more, though.
[16:55] <Eickmeyer> I'll keep investigating.
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I just pushed and uploaded a fix for the icons and for the missing qt5-style-plugins. Awaiting release team approval since we're after beta freeze.
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> I don't see why they wouldn't approve it
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> Especially considering the bug fixes.
[19:49] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ok
[19:50] <OvenWerks> Normally nothing is said about any tweaks to flavour packages... 
[19:51] <OvenWerks> But something that keeps menu from showing is a hard bug anyway.
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. I honestly can't believe I omitted that package from the seed.
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> I also have a FFe/Sync Request for obs-studio which is a version newer in Sid, surprisingly.
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> Vorlon had already mentioned it was a sensible request, so it'll probably get the green light.
[19:54] <OvenWerks> cool
[20:07] <OvenWerks> there has been another spin...
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but this stuff isn't going to land in it.
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> It has to be approved by the release team.
[20:20] <OvenWerks> I know
[20:20] <OvenWerks> might be other stuff
[20:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: if you see drmacro on line, I would like to take to him. I have some more ideas (did some more reading)
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ok, I'll keep an eye out.
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Unrelated, new systemd dropped and broke Ubiquity:  bug 184573
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> Oops, wrong bug.
[20:39]  * OvenWerks gave up on Nautilus long ago.
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks:  bug 1845730
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> I accidentally a digit.
[20:40] <OvenWerks> systemd... does that mean we need to check if we still have memlock?
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> No, that bug is fixed and not likely to regress.
[20:41] <OvenWerks>  I guess we should check that anyway
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> Basically, the Ubiquity installer is broken. So, new images won't install until that bug is fixed.
[20:41] <OvenWerks> ok
[20:42] <OvenWerks> we had two people do upgrades from 19.04 to 19.10 that failed BTW
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, not sure why.
[20:43] <OvenWerks> I am wondering if ubuntustudio-backports was enabled
[20:43] <OvenWerks> and if that could cause it
[20:43] <Eickmeyer> That's a possiblity, in which case ppa-purge needs to be used to get rid of it and downgrade the packages to the repo version.
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> That's what I had to do. I successfully upgraded an install with it.
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> but only after ppa-purge.
[20:46] <OvenWerks> might be worthwhile having a wiki page to point to for upgrades with a step by step
[20:47] <Eickmeyer> It's already in the Backports PPA release notes as well as the PPA page itself.
[20:47] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports
[20:47] <Eickmeyer> I can also add it to the release notes.
[20:48] <OvenWerks> when doing an upgrade I would be looking for documentation on upgrading rather than PPAs
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> Then it'll be in the release notes. That said, because it's beta, they are already warned that there are likely to be issues.
[20:51] <OvenWerks> :)