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| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @dohbee [tagger might need similar adjustments to the camera settings to work better for …], What is really annoying that the picture keeps freezing for a moment every 700msec or so | 06:59 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> Or maybe 1.5secs hard to time ^^ | 07:00 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @dohbee [tagger might need similar adjustments to the camera settings to work better for …], [Edit] What is really annoying is that the picture keeps freezing for a moment every 700msec or so | 07:00 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> @Flohack [What is really annoying is that the picture keeps freezing for a moment every 70 …], This would be fixed by using QZXing internally instead of whatever is used now as QZXing processes images in a background thread. | 07:14 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @fredldotme [This would be fixed by using QZXing internally instead of whatever is used now a …], But I have the strange feeling that this was smooth before 16.04 - In fact this was the point where Tagger stopped working for me on OPO | 07:21 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> @Flohack [But I have the strange feeling that this was smooth before 16.04 - In fact this …], Weird but possible | 07:28 |
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| ubptgbot | <Daniel_Wood> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/yF8oId6n.mp4 | 09:22 |
| ubptgbot | <dynasty17> Will ubports run on the upcoming Fairphone3? I just see android on their website!! | 12:55 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> try to make your voice loud. I don't think they approached UBPorts | 12:58 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> it's based on newer android i think, so will likely take a while for a port to be available | 13:04 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @dohbee [it's based on newer android i think, so will likely take a while for a port to b …], Exactly, we will not do any legacy (pre-Halium) port anymore. | 13:06 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> well, porting without halium would be even more difficult i guess, since the device doesn't ship with lollipop :P | 13:07 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> 😆 | 13:11 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> You could have the questionable idea to try to rush FP3 port with classic porting methods but it might be even slower than fixing Halium for 9.0 | 13:12 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> what are the classic porting methods compared to Halium? | 13:13 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> Halium is mostly just an umbrella projects | 13:13 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> [Edit] Halium is mostly just an umbrella project | 13:13 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> which provides patched Android tree | 13:13 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> halium is to make the android portings bits generic, so other systems can build on it | 13:14 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> halium is basically the evolution of the classic method which was much more specific to UT and much less flexible with android versions | 13:15 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @NotKit [what are the classic porting methods compared to Halium?], The legacy porting for N5 and FP2 for example. Lots of hacks and overrides in the tree | 13:15 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> tbf I don't see much difference between legacy porting and halium, we still employ lots of hacks and overrides. | 13:16 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> especially with supporting the same rootfs on 5.1 and 7.1 | 13:17 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> How is halium for 9.0 going? | 13:19 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> @fredldotme [tbf I don't see much difference between legacy porting and halium, we still empl …], that's what I'm trying to say. Halium is a good project, but not a magic bullet that suddenly makes our middelware work | 13:19 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> it is just a patched LineageOS tree for hybris-relying systems that can be built for Plasma/LuneOS besides UBPorts | 13:20 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> @fredldotme [tbf I don't see much difference between legacy porting and halium, we still empl …], [Edit] that's what I'm trying to say. Halium is a good project, but not a magic bullet that suddenly makes our middleware work | 13:20 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> PulseAudio for example probably won't work on anything other than ubuntu because of the (currently) required overrides | 13:20 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @NotKit [that's what I'm trying to say. Halium is a good project, but not a magic bullet …], nobody was saying it was the latter though | 13:20 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> @NotKit [it is just a patched LineageOS tree for hybris-relying systems that can be built …], Sailfish uses halium to tight? | 13:20 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> no, they use mer-hybris tree | 13:20 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> @NotKit [it is just a patched LineageOS tree for hybris-relying systems that can be built …], [Edit] Sailfish uses halium to right? | 13:20 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> Oh | 13:20 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> Thats sad | 13:20 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> but the main difference with that and Halium is that they don't run Android parts in container and build only patched overrides as opposed to the whole system.img | 13:21 |
| ubptgbot | <NotKit> it is possible to run UBPorts as well in mer-hybris way and try that for Android 8/9, but UBPorts components currently really lack support for changed APIs | 13:24 |
| ubptgbot | <PhoenixLandPirate> Thatd be interesting, I don't know much about this stuff, but I do care about more ports of newer devices. … Like having Ubuntu touch on the Fairphone 3 and the newer OnePlus devices would be very cool, especially since the new OnePlus 7 pro has mhl out, and is pretty powerful so would probably make a great convergence device. | 13:38 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> just to reiterate "can display on external screen and allow you to use legacy apps that only work with mouse/keyboard on traditional low DPI monitors" is not convergence. | 13:41 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @dohbee [just to reiterate "can display on external screen and allow you to use legacy ap …], Well its kinda offspring of convergence 😆 | 13:42 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> that's like saying hot water is the offspring of tea | 13:44 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> hahah yes | 13:46 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> or something similarly nonsensical. just because two different things can be done, doesn't make them necessarily directly related | 13:46 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> it's time to admit though that most people care about the shell being convergent, not just apps. | 13:47 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> well, a shell without apps doesn't get much done :) | 13:55 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> let's just count requests about libertine or rw rootfs ;) | 13:56 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> and nor does having a convergent shell magically turn the phone into a traditional PC. despite the desires of a few vocal people | 13:57 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> oh, then I can stop here and say goodbye then, if unity8 is not supposed to be treated as a traditional PC environment | 14:02 |
| ubptgbot | <dotevo> rw rootfs XD | 14:02 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @fredldotme [oh, then I can stop here and say goodbye then, if unity8 is not supposed to be t …], I think thats the wrong assumption you have now concluded ^^ | 14:03 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> purposefully, yes | 14:03 |
| ubptgbot | <alan_griffiths> If people want Unity8 to work in a traditional PC environment they are encouraged to make it so. | 14:04 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> @alan_griffiths [If people want Unity8 to work in a traditional PC environment they are encourage …], which was one of my goals as soon as the Xperia X port is done | 14:05 |
| ubptgbot | <samzn> I honestly feel that Unity 8 is the sleekest linux DE | 14:05 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @fredldotme [oh, then I can stop here and say goodbye then, if unity8 is not supposed to be t …], unity8 can work on a PC, but it doesn't magically turn a device which is not a PC into a PC | 14:06 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> I fail to understand where you see the difference between a convergent shell on a phone vs a PC | 14:07 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> ubuntu touch is also not unity8 itself. a real ubuntu touch "distro" for a PC should also include a RO rootfs, and provide such security features as we have on the phone, but a traditional linux distro setup dilutes those greatly | 14:07 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @fredldotme [I fail to understand where you see the difference between a convergent shell on …], the difference isn't the shell, it's the OS. Ubuntu + Unity8 != UT | 14:07 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> well I run mostly on snaps these days so I'd consider the security aspect a moot argument | 14:09 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> the underlying security measures and hardware are different | 14:10 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @fredldotme [well I run mostly on snaps these days so I'd consider the security aspect a moot …], well good for you, but you aren't everyone | 14:10 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> well, I didn't imply that, neither should you | 14:10 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @alan_griffiths [If people want Unity8 to work in a traditional PC environment they are encourage …], and indeed that is the reason we have another group specifically for that | 14:11 |
| ubptgbot | <alan_griffiths> Is it still? I thought it got repurposed to all Unity8 development (even phone). | 14:14 |
| hallyn | hm, so since the last two updates, I not-infrequently get into a state where swiping from left or right doesn't take me out of the app. known bug? | 14:15 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> well primary discussion in it is about unity8 stuff on PCs | 14:15 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> 🤷♀️ | 14:16 |
| hallyn | no crashes in dmesg | 14:16 |
| ubptgbot | <dynasty17> @dohbee [it's based on newer android i think, so will likely take a while for a port to b …], Ah, ok. So the pinephone will be a better option if upgrading! | 14:17 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @hallyn [hm, so since the last two updates, I not-infrequently get into a state where swi …], Which channel | 14:17 |
| hallyn | i was on devel | 14:17 |
| hallyn | i tried switching back to stable, but i don't thin kit downgrades me automatically? | 14:18 |
| hallyn | (that is, i'd have to "reinstall all apps?") | 14:18 |
| hallyn | 'ubuntu touch 374' was last installed | 14:18 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> No, downgrad will work independent of apps | 14:19 |
| hallyn | hm, ok. | 14:19 |
| hallyn | i thought it had happened soon afte ri switched from stable to devel, but switching back to stable didn't fix it. | 14:19 |
| ubptgbot | <YougoChats> i'm noticing the OSK sometimes not quite 'paying attention' (doesn't come up, or stays up when i switch app) and usually tapping the app or pulling down the indicator menu and closing it again, thus refocusing the app fixes it. … combined with @hallyn's problem, could it be app-focus related? | 14:25 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @YougoChats [i'm noticing the OSK sometimes not quite 'paying attention' (doesn't come up, or …], I have the same on edge and thought its just there | 14:25 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> Keyboard got lazy these days ^^ | 14:26 |
| ubptgbot | <YougoChats> am on egde too, btw | 14:26 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> yes, seems to be a few keyboard related weird things on edge at the moment | 14:27 |
| hallyn | YougoChats - I've also noticed that, that has happened to me since day 1; this othe rissue seems new, but maybe you're right and they're related | 14:30 |
| hallyn | osk not coming up definately also happens on stable | 14:30 |
| hallyn | incidentally i looked last night at the skeyler prototype patch - it's not so bad! just have to setup a build env and then i'll try to build a fresh merge | 14:31 |
| hallyn | ("nto so bad" - not as complicated as i'd feared based on the patch size) | 14:31 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> yeah, OSK needs some love specifically stability 😁 | 14:49 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> there's even a bug with qtwebengine wherein some properties doesn't work correctly and might be the reason why auto* functions doesn't work properly | 14:50 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> I even disabled the "double tap to select a word" feature because of it 😅 | 14:50 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> it needs unit tests for sure | 14:52 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> This "Big Brother" song almost made me restart my rap career. Nice stuff. | 15:28 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> "not so bad" it feefs like a rewrite afaict 😂😂😂 | 15:50 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> The osk not showing up seems related to focus-ish | 15:51 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> I noticed that it doesn't show up after locking while it is up and unlocking | 15:52 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> Re-locking and unlocking seems to workaround the issue | 15:52 |
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| ubptgbot | <MarkOSone> zenfone | 17:36 |
| hallyn | reloacking and unlocking doesn't always work for me. sometimes i hav eto close the app and re-open it. sometimes i can just move around in the app a bit, sometimes not. (like switch between terminal panes) | 18:20 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> Terminal has a summon button tho | 19:39 |
| ubptgbot | <🛸> Hello where can I search on Ubuntu touch telegram app what members are writing? for instance I wanna search Ubuntu but theres no search button | 20:25 |
| ubptgbot | <mavosc> Hi folks, does anyone has experiences in using Sony Xperia 10 w/ UBports? BR Marcus | 20:26 |
| ubptgbot | <Waldbursche> @🛸 [Hello where can I search on Ubuntu touch telegram app what members are writing? …], Pls use the webapp for telegram. TELEports is under development | 20:28 |
| ubptgbot | <Waldbursche> @🛸 [Hello where can I search on Ubuntu touch telegram app what members are writing? …], [Edit] Pls use the webapp for telegram for this. TELEports is under development | 20:29 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> @mavosc [Hi folks, does anyone has experiences in using Sony Xperia 10 w/ UBports? BR Mar …], There's currently no support for it. | 20:29 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @🛸 [Hello where can I search on Ubuntu touch telegram app what members are writing? …], Simnple, you cant | 20:31 |
| ubptgbot | <mavosc> @fredldotme [There's currently no support for it.], Thanks! | 20:40 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> How to help in development of Ubuntu touch | 20:45 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> @R K [How to help in development of Ubuntu touch], would you like to help by writing code or translating? | 20:46 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> Writing code | 20:46 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> I would like to help | 20:47 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> have a look at the bug tracker here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues | 20:47 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> if you want to help fixing bugs, have at it ;) | 20:47 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> What is translating ? | 20:47 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> Can you please explain a bit ? | 20:47 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> well, translating strings for languages othen than english | 20:48 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> Can you please let me know what tools are required for development of Ubuntu touch ?in laptop | 20:49 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> some use VS Code, some use QtCreator, I personally use KDevelop. everyone basically uses what he or she's familiar with. | 20:50 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> One last question … Which programming language you use ? | 20:57 |
| ubptgbot | <Flohack> @R K [One last question … Which programming language you use ?], Many 😆 | 20:57 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> I have experience in C | 20:57 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> @Flohack [Many 😆], That's Nice | 20:58 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> @R K [I have experience in C], some parts are written in C, others in C++, others in C++ with Qt, there's also python. | 20:58 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> Thanks | 21:00 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> most GUI stuff uses C++ with Qt & QML. | 21:01 |
| ubptgbot | <R K> Can you share document to setup Ubuntu Touch for development in laptop ? Or it's available in GitHub | 21:02 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> I don't think such a documentation exists yet, you're better off creating a chroot based on the ubports repo or try `crossbuilder`. Be warned though that crossbuilder fails building most packages (especially those with tests). | 21:04 |
| hallyn | Fuseteam - what is a 'summon' button? | 21:38 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @hallyn [Fuseteam - what is a 'summon' button?], the keyboard button in lower right corner of terminal app | 22:08 |
| ubptgbot | <lduboeuf> @R K [Can you share document to setup Ubuntu Touch for development in laptop ? Or it's …], https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/systemdev/index.html | 22:08 |
| hallyn | dohbee - ok - just making sure. obviously that button does not make a difference :) | 22:11 |
| ubptgbot | <nfsprodriver> @mariogrip does this https://github.com/ubports/system-image-server/commit/1bc2f03c859534e1e325eff31433b15e83793ced avoid the daily boot img "update" e.g. for N5? | 22:48 |
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