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 @dohbee [tagger might need similar adjustments to the camera settings to work better for …], What is really annoying that the picture keeps freezing for a moment every 700msec or so
 Or maybe 1.5secs hard to time ^^
 @dohbee [tagger might need similar adjustments to the camera settings to work better for …], [Edit] What is really annoying is that the picture keeps freezing for a moment every 700msec or so
 @Flohack [What is really annoying is that the picture keeps freezing for a moment every 70 …], This would be fixed by using QZXing internally instead of whatever is used now as QZXing processes images in a background thread.
 @fredldotme [This would be fixed by using QZXing internally instead of whatever is used now a …], But I have the strange feeling that this was smooth before 16.04 - In fact this was the point where Tagger stopped working for me on OPO
 @Flohack [But I have the strange feeling that this was smooth before 16.04 - In fact this …], Weird but possible
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 Will ubports run on the upcoming Fairphone3? I just see android on their website!!
 try to make your voice loud. I don't think they approached UBPorts
 it's based on newer android i think, so will likely take a while for a port to be available
 @dohbee [it's based on newer android i think, so will likely take a while for a port to b …], Exactly, we will not do any legacy (pre-Halium) port anymore.
 well, porting without halium would be even more difficult i guess, since the device doesn't ship with lollipop :P
 😆
 You could have the questionable idea to try to rush FP3 port with classic porting methods but it might be even slower than fixing Halium for 9.0
 what are the classic porting methods compared to Halium?
 Halium is mostly just an umbrella projects
 [Edit] Halium is mostly just an umbrella project
 which provides patched Android tree
 halium is to make the android portings bits generic, so other systems can build on it
 halium is basically the evolution of the classic method which was much more specific to UT and much less flexible with android versions
 @NotKit [what are the classic porting methods compared to Halium?], The legacy porting for N5 and FP2 for example. Lots of hacks and overrides in the tree
 tbf I don't see much difference between legacy porting and halium, we still employ lots of hacks and overrides.
 especially with supporting the same rootfs on 5.1 and 7.1
 How is halium for 9.0 going?
 @fredldotme [tbf I don't see much difference between legacy porting and halium, we still empl …], that's what I'm trying to say. Halium is a good project, but not a magic bullet that suddenly makes our middelware work
 it is just a patched LineageOS tree for hybris-relying systems that can be built for Plasma/LuneOS besides UBPorts
 @fredldotme [tbf I don't see much difference between legacy porting and halium, we still empl …], [Edit] that's what I'm trying to say. Halium is a good project, but not a magic bullet that suddenly makes our middleware work
 PulseAudio for example probably won't work on anything other than ubuntu because of the (currently) required overrides
 @NotKit [that's what I'm trying to say. Halium is a good project, but not a magic bullet …], nobody was saying it was the latter though
 @NotKit [it is just a patched LineageOS tree for hybris-relying systems that can be built …], Sailfish uses halium to tight?
 no, they use mer-hybris tree
 @NotKit [it is just a patched LineageOS tree for hybris-relying systems that can be built …], [Edit] Sailfish uses halium to right?
 Oh
 Thats sad
 but the main difference with that and Halium is that they don't run Android parts in container and build only patched overrides as opposed to the whole system.img
 it is possible to run UBPorts as well in mer-hybris way and try that for Android 8/9, but UBPorts components currently really lack support for changed APIs
 Thatd be interesting, I don't know much about this stuff, but I do care about more ports of newer devices. … Like having Ubuntu touch on the Fairphone 3 and the newer OnePlus devices would be very cool, especially since the new OnePlus 7 pro has mhl out, and is pretty powerful so would probably make a great convergence device.
 just to reiterate "can display on external screen and allow you to use legacy apps that only work with mouse/keyboard on traditional low DPI monitors" is not convergence.
 @dohbee [just to reiterate "can display on external screen and allow you to use legacy ap …], Well its kinda offspring of convergence 😆
 that's like saying hot water is the offspring of tea
 hahah yes
 or something similarly nonsensical. just because two different things can be done, doesn't make them necessarily directly related
 it's time to admit though that most people care about the shell being convergent, not just apps.
 well, a shell without apps doesn't get much done :)
 let's just count requests about libertine or rw rootfs ;)
 and nor does having a convergent shell magically turn the phone into a traditional PC. despite the desires of a few vocal people
 oh, then I can stop here and say goodbye then, if unity8 is not supposed to be treated as a traditional PC environment
 rw rootfs XD
 @fredldotme [oh, then I can stop here and say goodbye then, if unity8 is not supposed to be t …], I think thats the wrong assumption you have now concluded ^^
 purposefully, yes
 If people want Unity8 to work in a traditional PC environment they are encouraged to make it so.
 @alan_griffiths [If people want Unity8 to work in a traditional PC environment they are encourage …], which was one of my goals as soon as the Xperia X port is done
 I honestly feel that Unity 8 is the sleekest linux DE
 @fredldotme [oh, then I can stop here and say goodbye then, if unity8 is not supposed to be t …], unity8 can work on a PC, but it doesn't magically turn a device which is not a PC into a PC
 I fail to understand where you see the difference between a convergent shell on a phone vs a PC
 ubuntu touch is also not unity8 itself. a real ubuntu touch "distro" for a PC should also include a RO rootfs, and provide such security features as we have on the phone, but a traditional linux distro setup dilutes those greatly
 @fredldotme [I fail to understand where you see the difference between a convergent shell on …], the difference isn't the shell, it's the OS. Ubuntu + Unity8 != UT
 well I run mostly on snaps these days so I'd consider the security aspect a moot argument
 the underlying security measures and hardware are different
 @fredldotme [well I run mostly on snaps these days so I'd consider the security aspect a moot …], well good for you, but you aren't everyone
 well, I didn't imply that, neither should you
 @alan_griffiths [If people want Unity8 to work in a traditional PC environment they are encourage …], and indeed that is the reason we have another group specifically for that
 Is it still? I thought it got repurposed to all Unity8 development (even phone).
[14:15] <hallyn> hm, so since the last two updates, I not-infrequently get into a state where swiping from left or right doesn't take me out of the app.  known bug?
 well primary discussion in it is about unity8 stuff on PCs
 🤷‍♀️
[14:16] <hallyn> no crashes in dmesg
 @dohbee [it's based on newer android i think, so will likely take a while for a port to b …], Ah, ok. So the pinephone will be a better option if upgrading!
 @hallyn [hm, so since the last two updates, I not-infrequently get into a state where swi …], Which channel
[14:17] <hallyn> i was on devel
[14:18] <hallyn> i tried switching back to stable, but i don't thin kit downgrades me automatically?
[14:18] <hallyn> (that is, i'd have to "reinstall all apps?")
[14:18] <hallyn> 'ubuntu touch 374' was last installed
 No, downgrad will work independent of apps
[14:19] <hallyn> hm, ok.
[14:19] <hallyn> i thought it had happened soon afte ri switched from stable to devel, but switching back to stable didn't fix it.
 i'm noticing the OSK sometimes not quite 'paying attention' (doesn't come up, or stays up when i switch app) and usually tapping the app or pulling down the indicator menu and closing it again, thus refocusing the app fixes it.  … combined with @hallyn's problem, could it be app-focus related?
 @YougoChats [i'm noticing the OSK sometimes not quite 'paying attention' (doesn't come up, or …], I have the same on edge and thought its just there
 Keyboard got lazy these days ^^
 am on egde too, btw
 yes, seems to be a few keyboard related weird things on edge at the moment
[14:30] <hallyn> YougoChats - I've also noticed that, that has happened to me since day 1;  this othe rissue seems new, but maybe you're right and they're related
[14:30] <hallyn> osk not coming up definately also happens on stable
[14:31] <hallyn> incidentally i looked last night at the skeyler prototype patch - it's not so bad!  just have to setup a build env and then i'll try to build a fresh merge
[14:31] <hallyn> ("nto so bad" - not as complicated as i'd feared based on the patch size)
 yeah, OSK needs some love specifically stability 😁
 there's even a bug with qtwebengine wherein some properties doesn't work correctly and might be the reason why auto* functions doesn't work properly
 I even disabled the "double tap to select a word" feature because of it 😅
 it needs unit tests for sure
 This "Big Brother" song almost made me restart my rap career. Nice stuff.
 "not so bad" it feefs like a rewrite afaict 😂😂😂
 The osk not showing up seems related to focus-ish
 I noticed that it doesn't show up after locking while it is up and unlocking
 Re-locking and unlocking seems to workaround the issue
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[18:20] <hallyn> reloacking and unlocking doesn't always work for me.  sometimes i hav eto close the app and re-open it.  sometimes i can just move around in the app a bit, sometimes not. (like switch between terminal panes)
 Terminal has a summon button tho
 Hello where can I search on Ubuntu touch telegram app what members are writing?  for instance I wanna search Ubuntu but theres no search button
 Hi folks, does anyone has experiences in using Sony Xperia 10 w/ UBports? BR Marcus
 @🛸 [Hello where can I search on Ubuntu touch telegram app what members are writing? …], Pls use the webapp for telegram. TELEports is under development
 @🛸 [Hello where can I search on Ubuntu touch telegram app what members are writing? …], [Edit] Pls use the webapp for telegram for this. TELEports is under development
 @mavosc [Hi folks, does anyone has experiences in using Sony Xperia 10 w/ UBports? BR Mar …], There's currently no support for it.
 @🛸 [Hello where can I search on Ubuntu touch telegram app what members are writing? …], Simnple, you cant
 @fredldotme [There's currently no support for it.], Thanks!
[20:45] <ubptgbot> <R K> How to help in development of Ubuntu touch
 @R K [How to help in development of Ubuntu touch], would you like to help by writing code or translating?
[20:46] <ubptgbot> <R K> Writing code
[20:47] <ubptgbot> <R K> I would like to help
 have a look at the bug tracker here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues
 if you want to help fixing bugs, have at it ;)
[20:47] <ubptgbot> <R K> What is translating ?
[20:47] <ubptgbot> <R K> Can you please explain a bit ?
 well, translating strings for languages othen than english
[20:49] <ubptgbot> <R K> Can you please let me know what tools are required for development of Ubuntu touch ?in laptop
 some use VS Code, some use QtCreator, I personally use KDevelop. everyone basically uses what he or she's familiar with.
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <R K> One last question  … Which programming language you use ?
 @R K [One last question  … Which programming language you use ?], Many 😆
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <R K> I have experience in C
[20:58] <ubptgbot> <R K> @Flohack [Many 😆], That's Nice
 @R K [I have experience in C], some parts are written in C, others in C++, others in C++ with Qt, there's also python.
[21:00] <ubptgbot> <R K> Thanks
 most GUI stuff uses C++ with Qt & QML.
[21:02] <ubptgbot> <R K> Can you share document to setup Ubuntu Touch for development in laptop ? Or it's available in GitHub
 I don't think such a documentation exists yet, you're better off creating a chroot based on the ubports repo or try `crossbuilder`. Be warned though that crossbuilder fails building most packages (especially those with tests).
[21:38] <hallyn> Fuseteam - what is a 'summon' button?
 @hallyn [Fuseteam - what is a 'summon' button?], the keyboard button in lower right corner of terminal app
 @R K [Can you share document to setup Ubuntu Touch for development in laptop ? Or it's …], https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/systemdev/index.html
[22:11] <hallyn> dohbee - ok - just making sure. obviously that button does not make a difference :)
 @mariogrip does this https://github.com/ubports/system-image-server/commit/1bc2f03c859534e1e325eff31433b15e83793ced avoid the daily boot img "update" e.g. for N5?