[00:22] <wonko> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tQnJqYCQbq/ <-- ipmitool sel list
[00:26] <tomreyn> wonko: broken fan, eh?
[00:27] <tomreyn> apparently the log's not running full, though ;)
[00:49] <wonko> Which fan is broken? I haven't looked at the output yet.
[00:52] <wonko> It looks like all the fans go critical low at some point?
[00:56] <tomreyn> hmm yes, either they're all past their lifetime and full of dirt or the firmware is just too dedicated to tracking their states
[01:01] <wonko> I'll go for the latter
[01:02] <wonko> they are all clean as of checking recently
[01:02] <wonko> ok, getting ready to do a fresh install
[01:02] <wonko> I'm done screwing with this.
[01:03] <wonko> if the zpool will ever export. Sheesh!
[01:12] <kinghat> so this is talking about being on kubuntu but im talking about installing the backports while on ubuntu 19.10.
[01:12] <kinghat> https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-16-90-plasma-5-17-beta-available-for-testing/
[01:12] <kinghat> via: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports and apt install kubuntu-desktop
[01:13] <tomreyn> oh you're asking about a flavour specific PPA. i guess you'd seek support with this in the flavor channel, so #kubuntu
[01:14] <kinghat> im just talking about getting most recent plasma on most recent ubuntu
[01:14] <dax> the most recent ubuntu is 19.04. 19.10 comes out next month, it's not stable yet
[01:15] <kinghat> tried 19.10 with kubuntu-ppa/backports but i got: https://paste.debian.net/1103328/
[01:15] <kinghat> right. i just figured i would test out the beta
[01:16] <dax> and yes, the kubuntu backports PPA only gets packages for versions supported by Kubuntu, so not the current devel release
[01:16] <kinghat> so maybe i have to do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y instead.
[01:17] <kinghat> though thats not backports so not sure it would work?
[01:17] <dax> possibly. #kubuntu is more likely to know, since it's that team that maintains those PPAs
[01:18] <kinghat> alright thanks.
[01:18] <dax> that /beta PPA does have eoan builds, at least
[01:19] <kinghat> ya im just not sure how different that is from using the regular backports and doing: apt install kubuntu-desktop from it.
[02:06] <OerHeks> backports from what? there is no 20.04 yet.
[02:13] <kinghat> ?
[02:13] <kinghat> it has to be a .04 release to get backports?
[02:14] <valorie> backports generally means that the newest stuff is going into the next release, but some stuff will be "backported" to the present release
[02:14] <valorie> or to the last LTS
[02:14] <valorie> security stuff always is
[02:15] <kinghat> i just want to follow ubuntu .04/.10 release cycle for faster updates and bring the newest plasma to it.
[02:18] <valorie> right
[02:18] <valorie> and this time around, backports did that for you
[02:18] <valorie> and the beta ppa even got you the beta
[02:19] <valorie> see kubuntu.org/news for more indepth info
[02:19] <kinghat> i havent done anything yet. i installed 19.10 in a vm and tried to install the backports but got this error: https://paste.debian.net/1103328/
[02:20] <OerHeks> lolz
[02:20] <kinghat> so i figured id ask around
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> oO
[02:22] <kinghat> o?
[02:22] <kinghat> 🤷
[02:26] <valorie> there are no backports for 19.10
[02:26] <valorie> there is nothing to backport
[02:26] <valorie> 20.04 hasn't started yet
[02:27] <valorie> as dax said above
[02:27] <valorie> 19.10 isn't even released
[02:27] <valorie> there will be no backports or beta for that matter in it for maybe a month or two
[02:31] <kinghat> so as soon at 19.10 is released there wont be backports for it?
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> what are you trying to get exactly kinghat 
[02:32] <valorie>  not until 20.04 is set up, and the toolchain is done
[02:32] <kinghat> i just want to follow ubuntu .04/.10 release cycle for faster updates and bring the newest plasma to it.
[02:32] <valorie> watch the website
[02:32] <kinghat> newest ubuntu and newest plasma
[02:32] <valorie> when exciting stuff is in backports, we'll talk about it
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: you want to be at edge and have the newest of the newest at all times? 
[02:32] <valorie> everywhere
[02:33] <kinghat> im on neon right now, which is awesome, but id like to follow the faster ubuntu release cycle.
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: if you are ok with system breakage, you could enable proposed?
[02:34] <OerHeks> oke, then enjoy the show with 19.10 beta
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: testing is your purpose i hope?
[02:35] <kinghat> at this point im just trying to see it in a vm.
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> just keep in mind, proposed is not very reccomended if you want stable
[02:36] <kinghat> i wouldnt mind 19.04 with newest plasma via backports but when 19.04 upgrades to 19.10 i dont know what will happen to the plasma install?
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: why do you keep mention backports, whats your benefit with it exactly?
[02:38] <kinghat> nothing other than this article: https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-kde-plasma-5-7-ubuntu-16-04-ubuntu-16-10
[02:40] <valorie> I suggest sticking with Kubuntu.org/news and perhaps #kubuntu-devel in IRC
[02:41] <valorie> the tut you cite is *not* supported by the neon team
[02:41] <valorie> or the kubuntu team
[02:42] <valorie> you break something, you get to keep all the pieces
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> and the backport line, mentions LTS with 19.10 is not
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> wich
[02:43] <kinghat> i know it says you should use backports then
[02:43] <kinghat> thats why i was saying backports
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> i would approach it the way valorie says
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> the (k)ubuntu way
[02:45] <valorie> you can run kubuntu (in a VM) that follows our CI which is even more bleeding edge than running proposed
[02:45] <valorie> but really, testing when we ask for testing is the most useful
[02:45] <valorie> stuff in proposed often gets pulled and replaced, for instance
[02:45] <kinghat> i dont need to be bleeding edge i just want to be on the non LTS cadence. the faster one, whatever thats called.
[02:46] <valorie> which is what I do
[02:46] <valorie> I'm on the beta Plasma right now
[02:46] <valorie> when it is released, I'll purge the beta
[02:47] <valorie> and upgrade to 19.10 probably
[02:47] <kinghat> 19.04 would auto upgrade to 19.10?
[07:02] <Gargoyle> Hi all.
[07:05] <Gargoyle> My settings button has vanished from the main "top right" menu... Is this known? where's the best place to report it?
[07:47] <Gargoyle> OK. NM!
[07:48] <Gargoyle> gnome-control-center got removed. Apparently it has a dependency on mysql-common which I didn't spot when removing mysql
[07:49] <Bashing-om> Gargoyle: Good spot ! :D
[08:23] <bittin_> Downloading the last 19.10 beta now
[09:03] <bittin_> done :)
[12:43] <Gargoyle> Is 19.10 going to have a 5.4 kernel?
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> Gargoyle: we will see at final release what happens
[12:45] <Gargoyle> :)
[16:40] <wonko> Ok, let's see if I can replicate this train wreck in a VM
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:40] <wonko> Because I'm very interested to know what happened
[16:40] <wonko> and want to spare anyone else of this heartburn
[16:41] <wonko> thankfully I just re-installed ubuntu a couple weeks ago so all the gyrations I had to go through are fresh in my mind. :)