[00:22] tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tQnJqYCQbq/ <-- ipmitool sel list [00:26] wonko: broken fan, eh? [00:27] apparently the log's not running full, though ;) [00:49] Which fan is broken? I haven't looked at the output yet. [00:52] It looks like all the fans go critical low at some point? [00:56] hmm yes, either they're all past their lifetime and full of dirt or the firmware is just too dedicated to tracking their states [01:01] I'll go for the latter [01:02] they are all clean as of checking recently [01:02] ok, getting ready to do a fresh install [01:02] I'm done screwing with this. [01:03] if the zpool will ever export. Sheesh! [01:12] so this is talking about being on kubuntu but im talking about installing the backports while on ubuntu 19.10. [01:12] https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-16-90-plasma-5-17-beta-available-for-testing/ [01:12] via: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports and apt install kubuntu-desktop [01:13] oh you're asking about a flavour specific PPA. i guess you'd seek support with this in the flavor channel, so #kubuntu [01:14] im just talking about getting most recent plasma on most recent ubuntu [01:14] the most recent ubuntu is 19.04. 19.10 comes out next month, it's not stable yet [01:15] tried 19.10 with kubuntu-ppa/backports but i got: https://paste.debian.net/1103328/ [01:15] right. i just figured i would test out the beta [01:16] and yes, the kubuntu backports PPA only gets packages for versions supported by Kubuntu, so not the current devel release [01:16] so maybe i have to do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y instead. [01:17] though thats not backports so not sure it would work? [01:17] possibly. #kubuntu is more likely to know, since it's that team that maintains those PPAs [01:18] alright thanks. [01:18] that /beta PPA does have eoan builds, at least [01:19] ya im just not sure how different that is from using the regular backports and doing: apt install kubuntu-desktop from it. [02:06] backports from what? there is no 20.04 yet. [02:13] ? [02:13] it has to be a .04 release to get backports? [02:14] backports generally means that the newest stuff is going into the next release, but some stuff will be "backported" to the present release [02:14] or to the last LTS [02:14] security stuff always is [02:15] i just want to follow ubuntu .04/.10 release cycle for faster updates and bring the newest plasma to it. [02:18] right [02:18] and this time around, backports did that for you [02:18] and the beta ppa even got you the beta [02:19] see kubuntu.org/news for more indepth info [02:19] i havent done anything yet. i installed 19.10 in a vm and tried to install the backports but got this error: https://paste.debian.net/1103328/ [02:20] lolz [02:20] so i figured id ask around [02:22] oO [02:22] o? [02:22] 🤷 [02:26] there are no backports for 19.10 [02:26] there is nothing to backport [02:26] 20.04 hasn't started yet [02:27] as dax said above [02:27] 19.10 isn't even released [02:27] there will be no backports or beta for that matter in it for maybe a month or two [02:31] so as soon at 19.10 is released there wont be backports for it? [02:31] what are you trying to get exactly kinghat [02:32] not until 20.04 is set up, and the toolchain is done [02:32] i just want to follow ubuntu .04/.10 release cycle for faster updates and bring the newest plasma to it. [02:32] watch the website [02:32] newest ubuntu and newest plasma [02:32] when exciting stuff is in backports, we'll talk about it [02:32] kinghat: you want to be at edge and have the newest of the newest at all times? [02:32] everywhere [02:33] im on neon right now, which is awesome, but id like to follow the faster ubuntu release cycle. [02:34] kinghat: if you are ok with system breakage, you could enable proposed? [02:34] oke, then enjoy the show with 19.10 beta [02:34] kinghat: testing is your purpose i hope? [02:35] at this point im just trying to see it in a vm. [02:36] just keep in mind, proposed is not very reccomended if you want stable [02:36] i wouldnt mind 19.04 with newest plasma via backports but when 19.04 upgrades to 19.10 i dont know what will happen to the plasma install? [02:37] kinghat: why do you keep mention backports, whats your benefit with it exactly? [02:38] nothing other than this article: https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-kde-plasma-5-7-ubuntu-16-04-ubuntu-16-10 [02:40] I suggest sticking with Kubuntu.org/news and perhaps #kubuntu-devel in IRC [02:41] the tut you cite is *not* supported by the neon team [02:41] or the kubuntu team [02:42] you break something, you get to keep all the pieces [02:42] and the backport line, mentions LTS with 19.10 is not [02:42] wich [02:43] i know it says you should use backports then [02:43] thats why i was saying backports [02:44] i would approach it the way valorie says [02:44] the (k)ubuntu way [02:45] you can run kubuntu (in a VM) that follows our CI which is even more bleeding edge than running proposed [02:45] but really, testing when we ask for testing is the most useful [02:45] stuff in proposed often gets pulled and replaced, for instance [02:45] i dont need to be bleeding edge i just want to be on the non LTS cadence. the faster one, whatever thats called. [02:46] which is what I do [02:46] I'm on the beta Plasma right now [02:46] when it is released, I'll purge the beta [02:47] and upgrade to 19.10 probably [02:47] 19.04 would auto upgrade to 19.10? [07:02] Hi all. [07:05] My settings button has vanished from the main "top right" menu... Is this known? where's the best place to report it? [07:47] OK. NM! [07:48] gnome-control-center got removed. Apparently it has a dependency on mysql-common which I didn't spot when removing mysql [07:49] Gargoyle: Good spot ! :D [08:23] Downloading the last 19.10 beta now [09:03] done :) [12:43] Is 19.10 going to have a 5.4 kernel? [12:44] !info linux-image-generic [12:44] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 5.3.0.13.14 (eoan), package size 2 kB, installed size 15 kB [12:44] Gargoyle: we will see at final release what happens [12:45] :) === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka [16:40] Ok, let's see if I can replicate this train wreck in a VM [16:40] :p [16:40] Because I'm very interested to know what happened [16:40] and want to spare anyone else of this heartburn [16:41] thankfully I just re-installed ubuntu a couple weeks ago so all the gyrations I had to go through are fresh in my mind. :)