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didrocksgood morning06:13
jibelSsalut didrocks06:19
didrockssalut jibel06:25
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:53
dufluMorning didrocks, jibel and oSoMoN06:53
oSoMoNhey duflu06:54
oSoMoNyou had a good holiday?06:55
dufluoSoMoN, it was nice for a few days but then of course I finally got a cold for most of a week06:55
dufluDubai was almost 40 degrees and humid every day06:56
dufluAt least it's predictable06:56
oSoMoN:/06:58
oSoMoNI hope you managed to enjoy your time off despite this06:58
=== pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski
didrockshey duflu, salut oSoMoN07:16
oSoMoNsalut didrocks07:24
oSoMoNtu as passé un bon week-end?07:25
didrocksoSoMoN: très bien, et toi ?07:26
oSoMoNoui, super07:36
oSoMoNgood morning willcooke07:37
willcookehi oSoMoN07:37
dufluMorning willcooke07:40
didrockshey willcooke07:41
willcookeafternoon duflu07:41
willcookeduflu, are you back home again?07:42
willcookeand isn't a public holiday?07:42
dufluwillcooke, my body is but not my sleeping patterns07:42
willcooke:)07:42
didrockswill need some days to recover I guess ;)07:43
willcookehi didrocks07:43
dufluYeah it's a public holiday but I have to work today to afford time for my actual vacation07:43
willcookeha07:43
dufluwillcooke, actually that's only Western Australia because who needs consistency?07:45
willcookeoh, how odd07:46
RAOFThere are a bunch of state-only public holidays!07:47
RAOFIt comes of having an actually devolved governance structure :P07:48
RAOFAlso, hello all!07:48
RAOFI, too, am finally no longer on Paris time!07:48
duflu🙃🇦🇺07:50
marcustomlinsonmorning desktoppers07:58
didrockshey marcustomlinson07:59
willcookehey marcustomlinson RAOF08:00
Wimpresso/08:00
willcookemorning Wimpress08:00
didrocksmorning Wimpress08:01
Laneyyo yo08:02
willcookewhat up Laney08:02
Laneyhey willcooke08:03
Laneygot a cold /o\08:03
willcooke:(08:04
didrockshey hey Laney08:04
didrocksMartin got one (and fever), hoping to not be next08:04
Laney:(08:05
Laneybad nights then?08:05
Laneyguess it's probably flu vaccination time eh08:06
didrocksnot that bad TBH, just feeling a little bit worry and trying to get the temperature down08:07
Laney08:08
dufluMorning marcustomlinson, Wimpress and Laney08:08
Laneywb duflu08:08
Laneyargh08:12
Laneythe shower radio just mysteriously turned itself on08:12
Laney...the intro scene to a murder drama...08:13
willcookeAt least you have clean ghosts08:13
Laneyghosts who like andrew marr08:13
Laneygood taste08:13
* Laney eyes ubiquity with displeasure08:14
Laneynew systemd broke it08:14
jibelwhat broke?08:16
Laneyudev thing08:17
Wimpresswillcooke: I had reports over the weekend that Steam segfaults on Ubuntu 19.10 on system that have the nvidia proprietary driver loaded.08:41
WimpressI can reproduce.08:41
WimpressSeems to be because nvidia :i386 userspace is not installed when installing Steam.08:42
WimpressDebian steam package appears to be a couple of years ahead of what is in Ubuntu.08:42
willcooketseliot, ^08:42
WimpressNot sure how to progress this.08:42
willcookeIs it a driver issue?08:42
WimpressNo.08:43
WimpressI don't believe so. I have drivers install and the systyem works.08:43
WimpressJust no i386 nvidia user space install when `apt install steam`08:43
willcookeah, I see08:43
willcookeso we need Valve to update their package?08:43
willcookeIs there anything we can do in the meantime?08:44
WimpressWell, I am install from the deb in the archive.08:44
WimpressAnd that is ancient.08:44
willcookeWe should probably get rid of that package08:44
willcookeDo you know if the one in Debian is any newer?08:44
WimpressDebian steam package appears to have debconf rules to prompt users about nvidia i386.08:45
WimpressYes, debian steam package is considerably newer.08:45
tseliotthe nvidia metapackage recommends the i386 libraries08:45
tseliotnvidia-driver-$version08:45
willcookeWimpress, if we merge Steam from Debian would that sort it?08:48
WimpressI think more research required.08:49
WimpressI'll report back.08:49
willcookethanks a lot Wimpress.08:49
willcooketsimonq2, looks like you looked at the Steam packages, do you have any plans to update them again?08:49
dufluLooks like Ubuntu is about 1 year and 7 months behind debian (https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/s/steam/steam_1.0.0.61-2_changelog)08:55
WimpressManually install the nvidia-driver-435 Recommends: packages gets me a working steam. Several people reported this issue.08:58
WimpressI'll find out if they were fresh installs or upgrades and what driver version they have.08:59
tseliotWimpress, does steam try to pull in the nvidia driver? If so, maybe they use --no-recommends ?09:01
Wimpresstseliot: No, steam is not pulling in the nvidia drivers.09:10
WimpressWhich is fine.09:10
WimpressThe newer debian steam package use debconf to prompt users about installing i386 nvidia driver if the nvidia kernel module is present.09:11
Laneybah09:13
LaneyI'd ported ubiquity to use GUdev instead of parsing the output of udevadm info09:13
Laneybut now I'm not sure that is ok as it would mean the main ubiquity package depends on gi stuff09:14
Laneyin practice it would mean adding gir1.2-gudev-1.009:17
Laney4K compressed09:17
tseliotWimpress, oh, ok. The nvidia packages is Ubuntu are not necessarily like the ones in Debian. So, maybe the debconf code needs to be changed a little to match our drivers09:21
Laneyxnox: any thought on https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/commit/?id=a270d8431f199dd112fabc552abd16a3993d8d58 vs just fixing the path?09:46
Laneydunno why you're not in #-installer any more09:48
Laneyhope you aren't trying to escape ;-)09:48
xnoxLaney:  yes bindings is nicer!09:51
Laneymain thing is that it moves the gi deps up to main ubiquity package09:51
xnoxLaney:  bug. i think my autojoin is not persistent when i crash znc09:52
xnoxbah09:52
xnoxnot znc, weechat09:52
xnoxi switchted to weechat-headless09:52
Laneysniffle sniffle13:10
kenvandineahayzen: flatpak SRU is in disco-proposed now14:37
ahayzen[m]kenvandine: thanks ! i saw it appear over the weekend and did the verification last night :-D I'll keep an eye out for the bionic one :-)14:39
hellsworthmorning everyone14:39
didrockshey hellsworth14:40
hellsworthcheers (with my cofffee again) didrocks :)14:41
didrocksheh ;) /me had second and last coffee on the day before it's too late for finding sleep later on ;)14:42
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth14:42
hellsworthyeah i understand. it's weird how when i was younger i could drink coffee right up until bed time and be fine. ah the joys of age :)14:42
hellsworthhi oSoMoN, hope things are well with you :)14:43
marcustomlinsonHey hellsworth14:43
hellsworthhi marcustomlinson14:43
oSoMoNyeah I'm fine, knee-deep in debugging a thunderbird issue on ppc64el, not the most interesting task on earth, but I know I'll nail it eventually14:44
didrockshellsworth: you are calling me old!14:45
didrockswell… ok ;)14:45
* didrocks goes crying in a small (and dark) corner :p14:46
hellsworthhaha no no i mean't i'm old14:49
hellsworthoSoMoN, you can do it! i love thunderbird and can't live without it so keep up the fixes :)14:50
didrocksthundebird on mainframe, that's an interesting concept though :p14:51
willcookemorning hellsworth14:54
hellsworthhi willcooke , how goes the beta iso testing? still need a hand?15:01
willcookeThanks for the offer, but the beta is done now (and we found plenty of bugs).  We'll start doing more ISO testing in a week or so15:02
hellsworthok sounds good. i'm happy to help with the next round, for realsies :)15:02
hellsworthwhat is the exact date of release?15:03
willcooke17 Oct15:03
hellsworthah ok. I guess I already asked that because it was already on my calendar :)15:04
oSoMoNhellsworth, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule15:04
hellsworthoh thanks! that's handy!15:05
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kenvandineat what point should i see the colored battery icon?16:39
kenvandinemine is at 34% and it's red16:40
kenvandinebut upower doesn't think it should be red16:40
kenvandine    icon-name:          'battery-good-symbolic'16:40
kenvandineI wouldn't think battery-good-symbolic should be red or orange16:40
willcookehmm, cant remember exactly.  I think it was 20% or thereabouts16:40
willcookekenvandine, is it this?  https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/153116:41
gitbotubuntu issue 1531 in yaru "Battery icon looks red, even when the battery is full" [Closed]16:41
hellsworthkenvandine, if you systemctl restart upower does it change to not be red anymore?16:42
kenvandineit was white until like 20 minutes ago16:42
kenvandinerestarting upower didn't ake a difference16:42
hellsworthah ok16:42
kenvandineupower -d gives an icon name that i would think would not be red16:43
kenvandinei'm going to charge to see what upower reports after it changes back to white16:44
Laneypretty sure gnome-shell is deciding which icon to use on its own rather than using that property16:48
kenvandineat 43% it's still showing the red icon16:56
willcookenight all.17:09
willcookekenvandine, I will test that icon tomorrow17:09
hellsworthkenvandine, i think the percentage can't be trusted because i know my laptop is at 100%. it's been charging all night and when i boot with power connected it says 100% but when i unplug the power, it says 94%.17:21
hellsworthi want to file a bug about this but not sure which package relates to the top bar battery icon17:21
hellsworthgnome-control-center maybe?17:21
kenvandinegnome-shell i think17:22
hellsworthok17:22
hellsworthout of curiosity, do you see different percentages with your power plugged in vs not?17:22
kenvandinehellsworth: nope17:23
kenvandinesame17:23
hellsworthhmm interesting17:23
xnoxhm17:28
xnoxwhere was the bug report htat ubuntu desktop fails to reboot?17:28
jibelxnox, bug 184012217:29
ubot5bug 1840122 in linux (Ubuntu Eoan) "System fails to reboot from live session or ubiquity-dm - squashfs_read_data failed to read block" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184012217:29
jibelfeel free to retitle it, I didn't have any meaningful data to make a meaningful title17:29
xnoxjibel:  tah.17:35
hellsworthI have more weird power behavior: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/184600017:36
ubot5Launchpad bug 1846000 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "battery level percentage different with and without power connected to laptop" [Undecided,New]17:36
kenvandinehellsworth: what does upower -d say?17:38
kenvandineboth plugged in and unplugged?17:38
kenvandinepercentage varying, it's probably not gnome-shell17:39
kenvandinethe icon selection might be though, which is what i'm seeing17:40
hellsworththe output of upower -d looks pretty normal in both cases17:44
hellsworthhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/444807989/plugged-in.out17:44
hellsworthhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/444808021/unplugged.out17:44
hellsworthi think my battery is too full to show 'battery-good-symbolic' so i'll let it discharge a bit17:46
kenvandineso upower is showing the same percentage but the shell is showing the wrong value17:49
hellsworthwell the percentage upower shows is the same percentage that is displayed in gnome-shell, now... it's weird that when i plug in my power, gnome-shell briefly says 100% before going back to 92%17:51
mgedminmaybe it's the battery firmware doing tricks/being buggy?17:52
hellsworthcould be17:53
* mgedmin had a sketchy thinkpad battery that always reported "design capacity" to be exactly 1% more than "last full capacity"17:53
mgedmin"wow, this battery still has 99% design capacity after five years of use!"17:53
hellsworththat would explain why i'm the only one seeing 1846000 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/184553217:53
ubot5Launchpad bug 1845532 in upower (Ubuntu) "power icon does not indicate charging if booted without power connected" [Undecided,New]17:53
hellsworthwell to be fair, this laptop is just over 2 weeks old....17:54
hellsworthso i expect high percentages17:54
xnoxjibel:  i think i have a fix18:00

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