[06:13] <didrocks> good morning
[06:19] <jibel> Ssalut didrocks
[06:25] <didrocks> salut jibel
[06:53] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:53] <duflu> Morning didrocks, jibel and oSoMoN
[06:54] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:55] <oSoMoN> you had a good holiday?
[06:55] <duflu> oSoMoN, it was nice for a few days but then of course I finally got a cold for most of a week
[06:56] <duflu> Dubai was almost 40 degrees and humid every day
[06:56] <duflu> At least it's predictable
[06:58] <oSoMoN> :/
[06:58] <oSoMoN> I hope you managed to enjoy your time off despite this
[07:16] <didrocks> hey duflu, salut oSoMoN
[07:24] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:25] <oSoMoN> tu as passé un bon week-end?
[07:26] <didrocks> oSoMoN: très bien, et toi ?
[07:36] <oSoMoN> oui, super
[07:37] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[07:37] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[07:40] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[07:41] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:41] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[07:42] <willcooke> duflu, are you back home again?
[07:42] <willcooke> and isn't a public holiday?
[07:42] <duflu> willcooke, my body is but not my sleeping patterns
[07:42] <willcooke> :)
[07:43] <didrocks> will need some days to recover I guess ;)
[07:43] <willcooke> hi didrocks
[07:43] <duflu> Yeah it's a public holiday but I have to work today to afford time for my actual vacation
[07:43] <willcooke> ha
[07:45] <duflu> willcooke, actually that's only Western Australia because who needs consistency?
[07:46] <willcooke> oh, how odd
[07:47] <RAOF> There are a bunch of state-only public holidays!
[07:48] <RAOF> It comes of having an actually devolved governance structure :P
[07:48] <RAOF> Also, hello all!
[07:48] <RAOF> I, too, am finally no longer on Paris time!
[07:50] <duflu> 🙃🇦🇺
[07:58] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:59] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:00] <willcooke> hey marcustomlinson RAOF
[08:00] <Wimpress> o/
[08:00] <willcooke> morning Wimpress
[08:01] <didrocks> morning Wimpress
[08:02] <Laney> yo yo
[08:02] <willcooke> what up Laney
[08:03] <Laney> hey willcooke
[08:03] <Laney> got a cold /o\
[08:04] <willcooke> :(
[08:04] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:04] <didrocks> Martin got one (and fever), hoping to not be next
[08:05] <Laney> :(
[08:05] <Laney> bad nights then?
[08:06] <Laney> guess it's probably flu vaccination time eh
[08:07] <didrocks> not that bad TBH, just feeling a little bit worry and trying to get the temperature down
[08:08] <Laney> ♥
[08:08] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson, Wimpress and Laney
[08:08] <Laney> wb duflu
[08:12] <Laney> argh
[08:12] <Laney> the shower radio just mysteriously turned itself on
[08:13] <Laney> ...the intro scene to a murder drama...
[08:13] <willcooke> At least you have clean ghosts
[08:13] <Laney> ghosts who like andrew marr
[08:13] <Laney> good taste
[08:14]  * Laney eyes ubiquity with displeasure
[08:14] <Laney> new systemd broke it
[08:16] <jibel> what broke?
[08:17] <Laney> udev thing
[08:41] <Wimpress> willcooke: I had reports over the weekend that Steam segfaults on Ubuntu 19.10 on system that have the nvidia proprietary driver loaded.
[08:41] <Wimpress> I can reproduce.
[08:42] <Wimpress> Seems to be because nvidia :i386 userspace is not installed when installing Steam.
[08:42] <Wimpress> Debian steam package appears to be a couple of years ahead of what is in Ubuntu.
[08:42] <willcooke> tseliot, ^
[08:42] <Wimpress> Not sure how to progress this.
[08:42] <willcooke> Is it a driver issue?
[08:43] <Wimpress> No.
[08:43] <Wimpress> I don't believe so. I have drivers install and the systyem works.
[08:43] <Wimpress> Just no i386 nvidia user space install when `apt install steam`
[08:43] <willcooke> ah, I see
[08:43] <willcooke> so we need Valve to update their package?
[08:44] <willcooke> Is there anything we can do in the meantime?
[08:44] <Wimpress> Well, I am install from the deb in the archive.
[08:44] <Wimpress> And that is ancient.
[08:44] <willcooke> We should probably get rid of that package
[08:44] <willcooke> Do you know if the one in Debian is any newer?
[08:45] <Wimpress> Debian steam package appears to have debconf rules to prompt users about nvidia i386.
[08:45] <Wimpress> Yes, debian steam package is considerably newer.
[08:45] <tseliot> the nvidia metapackage recommends the i386 libraries
[08:45] <tseliot> nvidia-driver-$version
[08:48] <willcooke> Wimpress, if we merge Steam from Debian would that sort it?
[08:49] <Wimpress> I think more research required.
[08:49] <Wimpress> I'll report back.
[08:49] <willcooke> thanks a lot Wimpress.
[08:49] <willcooke> tsimonq2, looks like you looked at the Steam packages, do you have any plans to update them again?
[08:55] <duflu> Looks like Ubuntu is about 1 year and 7 months behind debian (https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/s/steam/steam_1.0.0.61-2_changelog)
[08:58] <Wimpress> Manually install the nvidia-driver-435 Recommends: packages gets me a working steam. Several people reported this issue.
[08:59] <Wimpress> I'll find out if they were fresh installs or upgrades and what driver version they have.
[09:01] <tseliot> Wimpress, does steam try to pull in the nvidia driver? If so, maybe they use --no-recommends ?
[09:10] <Wimpress> tseliot: No, steam is not pulling in the nvidia drivers.
[09:10] <Wimpress> Which is fine.
[09:11] <Wimpress> The newer debian steam package use debconf to prompt users about installing i386 nvidia driver if the nvidia kernel module is present.
[09:13] <Laney> bah
[09:13] <Laney> I'd ported ubiquity to use GUdev instead of parsing the output of udevadm info
[09:14] <Laney> but now I'm not sure that is ok as it would mean the main ubiquity package depends on gi stuff
[09:17] <Laney> in practice it would mean adding gir1.2-gudev-1.0
[09:17] <Laney> 4K compressed
[09:21] <tseliot> Wimpress, oh, ok. The nvidia packages is Ubuntu are not necessarily like the ones in Debian. So, maybe the debconf code needs to be changed a little to match our drivers
[09:46] <Laney> xnox: any thought on https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/commit/?id=a270d8431f199dd112fabc552abd16a3993d8d58 vs just fixing the path?
[09:48] <Laney> dunno why you're not in #-installer any more
[09:48] <Laney> hope you aren't trying to escape ;-)
[09:51] <xnox> Laney:  yes bindings is nicer!
[09:51] <Laney> main thing is that it moves the gi deps up to main ubiquity package
[09:52] <xnox> Laney:  bug. i think my autojoin is not persistent when i crash znc
[09:52] <xnox> bah
[09:52] <xnox> not znc, weechat
[09:52] <xnox> i switchted to weechat-headless
[13:10] <Laney> sniffle sniffle
[14:37] <kenvandine> ahayzen: flatpak SRU is in disco-proposed now
[14:39] <ahayzen[m]> kenvandine: thanks ! i saw it appear over the weekend and did the verification last night :-D I'll keep an eye out for the bionic one :-)
[14:39] <hellsworth> morning everyone
[14:40] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[14:41] <hellsworth> cheers (with my cofffee again) didrocks :)
[14:42] <didrocks> heh ;) /me had second and last coffee on the day before it's too late for finding sleep later on ;)
[14:42] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:42] <hellsworth> yeah i understand. it's weird how when i was younger i could drink coffee right up until bed time and be fine. ah the joys of age :)
[14:43] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN, hope things are well with you :)
[14:43] <marcustomlinson> Hey hellsworth
[14:43] <hellsworth> hi marcustomlinson
[14:44] <oSoMoN> yeah I'm fine, knee-deep in debugging a thunderbird issue on ppc64el, not the most interesting task on earth, but I know I'll nail it eventually
[14:45] <didrocks> hellsworth: you are calling me old!
[14:45] <didrocks> well… ok ;)
[14:46]  * didrocks goes crying in a small (and dark) corner :p
[14:49] <hellsworth> haha no no i mean't i'm old
[14:50] <hellsworth> oSoMoN, you can do it! i love thunderbird and can't live without it so keep up the fixes :)
[14:51] <didrocks> thundebird on mainframe, that's an interesting concept though :p
[14:54] <willcooke> morning hellsworth
[15:01] <hellsworth> hi willcooke , how goes the beta iso testing? still need a hand?
[15:02] <willcooke> Thanks for the offer, but the beta is done now (and we found plenty of bugs).  We'll start doing more ISO testing in a week or so
[15:02] <hellsworth> ok sounds good. i'm happy to help with the next round, for realsies :)
[15:03] <hellsworth> what is the exact date of release?
[15:03] <willcooke> 17 Oct
[15:04] <hellsworth> ah ok. I guess I already asked that because it was already on my calendar :)
[15:04] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule
[15:05] <hellsworth> oh thanks! that's handy!
[16:39] <kenvandine> at what point should i see the colored battery icon?
[16:40] <kenvandine> mine is at 34% and it's red
[16:40] <kenvandine> but upower doesn't think it should be red
[16:40] <kenvandine>     icon-name:          'battery-good-symbolic'
[16:40] <kenvandine> I wouldn't think battery-good-symbolic should be red or orange
[16:40] <willcooke> hmm, cant remember exactly.  I think it was 20% or thereabouts
[16:41] <willcooke> kenvandine, is it this?  https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/1531
[16:41] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 1531 in yaru "Battery icon looks red, even when the battery is full" [Closed]
[16:42] <hellsworth> kenvandine, if you systemctl restart upower does it change to not be red anymore?
[16:42] <kenvandine> it was white until like 20 minutes ago
[16:42] <kenvandine> restarting upower didn't ake a difference
[16:42] <hellsworth> ah ok
[16:43] <kenvandine> upower -d gives an icon name that i would think would not be red
[16:44] <kenvandine> i'm going to charge to see what upower reports after it changes back to white
[16:48] <Laney> pretty sure gnome-shell is deciding which icon to use on its own rather than using that property
[16:56] <kenvandine> at 43% it's still showing the red icon
[17:09] <willcooke> night all.
[17:09] <willcooke> kenvandine, I will test that icon tomorrow
[17:21] <hellsworth> kenvandine, i think the percentage can't be trusted because i know my laptop is at 100%. it's been charging all night and when i boot with power connected it says 100% but when i unplug the power, it says 94%.
[17:21] <hellsworth> i want to file a bug about this but not sure which package relates to the top bar battery icon
[17:21] <hellsworth> gnome-control-center maybe?
[17:22] <kenvandine> gnome-shell i think
[17:22] <hellsworth> ok
[17:22] <hellsworth> out of curiosity, do you see different percentages with your power plugged in vs not?
[17:23] <kenvandine> hellsworth: nope
[17:23] <kenvandine> same
[17:23] <hellsworth> hmm interesting
[17:28] <xnox> hm
[17:28] <xnox> where was the bug report htat ubuntu desktop fails to reboot?
[17:29] <jibel> xnox, bug 1840122
[17:29] <jibel> feel free to retitle it, I didn't have any meaningful data to make a meaningful title
[17:35] <xnox> jibel:  tah.
[17:36] <hellsworth> I have more weird power behavior: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1846000
[17:38] <kenvandine> hellsworth: what does upower -d say?
[17:38] <kenvandine> both plugged in and unplugged?
[17:39] <kenvandine> percentage varying, it's probably not gnome-shell
[17:40] <kenvandine> the icon selection might be though, which is what i'm seeing
[17:44] <hellsworth> the output of upower -d looks pretty normal in both cases
[17:44] <hellsworth> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/444807989/plugged-in.out
[17:44] <hellsworth> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/444808021/unplugged.out
[17:46] <hellsworth> i think my battery is too full to show 'battery-good-symbolic' so i'll let it discharge a bit
[17:49] <kenvandine> so upower is showing the same percentage but the shell is showing the wrong value
[17:51] <hellsworth> well the percentage upower shows is the same percentage that is displayed in gnome-shell, now... it's weird that when i plug in my power, gnome-shell briefly says 100% before going back to 92%
[17:52] <mgedmin> maybe it's the battery firmware doing tricks/being buggy?
[17:53] <hellsworth> could be
[17:53]  * mgedmin had a sketchy thinkpad battery that always reported "design capacity" to be exactly 1% more than "last full capacity"
[17:53] <mgedmin> "wow, this battery still has 99% design capacity after five years of use!"
[17:53] <hellsworth> that would explain why i'm the only one seeing 1846000 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1845532
[17:54] <hellsworth> well to be fair, this laptop is just over 2 weeks old....
[17:54] <hellsworth> so i expect high percentages
[18:00] <xnox> jibel:  i think i have a fix