[00:05] <naribia> im installing ubuntu, and im not sure if I should make the boot partition of type "efi" or just ext4 ?
[00:07] <Bashing-om> naribia: IF this is a EFI system then that ESP needs to be a FAT32 partition.
[00:08] <naribia> would this be dependent on the motherboard?
[00:08] <scientes> no, EFI or BIOS, that's it for x86
[00:08] <naribia> oh, like uefi
[00:08] <scientes> well, there is also coreboot, but that is a hack at this point cause intel is no nasty
[00:08] <naribia> i know its not bios
[00:09] <naribia> well it shows ESP and FAT32 as different options
[00:09] <Bashing-om> !uefi | naribia
[00:29] <Tjowers> Ubuntu makes me feel like I've been locked out of heaven
[00:30] <tomreyn> !discuss | Tjowers
[00:59] <kinghat> so there are only kubuntu backports for 19.04 and not 19.10 yet?
[01:02] <OerHeks> no, 19.10 is under development, and 20.04 does not exist.
[01:02] <OerHeks> so, nothing to backport
[01:02] <scientes> kinghat, is it october, 2019 yet?
[01:03] <kinghat> i didnt know since there was a beta out that maybe there was something..
[01:06] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Might investigate Kubuntu's PPA for interest. See: https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-16-90-plasma-5-17-beta-available-for-testing/ for the link.
[01:09] <kinghat> so if you installed via the beta  repo what happens when you move out of beta into the full 19.10 release?
[01:09] <kinghat> i guess im asking how that transition happens?
[01:09] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[02:48] <[rg]> what is the name of the ubuntu installer?
[02:49] <tomreyn> ubiquity for the desktop installer
[02:51] <[rg]> thanks
[02:51] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[02:51] <[rg]> is it still developed on bazzar/launchpad?
[02:51] <tomreyn> on launchpad, i'm not sure whether in bzr or git
[02:52] <[rg]> ok, thanks
[02:52] <tomreyn> git according to https://code.launchpad.net/ubiquity
[02:56] <[rg]> do you follow snap development?
[02:57] <[rg]> I wonder if the snap directory will ever be moved to another location
[02:58] <[rg]> it'd be nice to hide loopback devices as well
[02:58] <kenperkins> what's the diff between snap and apt
[02:59] <OerHeks> different package, different source, different update model
[03:00] <[rg]> snap gets packages from a non central reveiwed repo? it has more features too
[03:00] <Bashing-om> kenperkins: ^^ different package management systems.
[03:01] <OerHeks> snaps are like PPA's: one must trust the owner
[03:01] <gogeta> even m,ore so
[03:02] <gogeta> being snaps have like no checks
[03:02] <OerHeks> snaps do get checked
[03:02] <[rg]> are there signed snaps?
[03:03] <gogeta> yea may wanna check that fact conocal admitted they dont check them
[03:03] <OerHeks> where is that 'fact' ?
[03:04] <[rg]> shouldnt be too much of an issue since snapd handles permissons too right?
[03:04] <gogeta> https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/05/15/157259/canonical-addresses-ubuntu-linux-snap-stores-security-failure
[03:04] <OerHeks> what do you mean with signed snaps?
[03:05] <OerHeks> any snap has its own key, iirc
[03:05] <OerHeks> gogeta, oh one failure, noticed within 2 days, yay...
[03:08] <gogeta> OerHeks: well the mailware was due due to the fact they do not check
[03:09] <gogeta> omg ubuntu has more details
[03:09] <OerHeks> !fud
[03:09] <gogeta> thats relly not fud if it happned
[03:10] <OerHeks> you are just a troll, on ignore now
[03:15] <gogeta> gotta love realty being the new troll
[03:37] <Sphearion> #python
[03:40] <doug16k> my motherboard has a higher version microcode than the amd64-microcode package. having that package installed won't have any effect in that case, right?
[03:40] <doug16k> package has 0x0800820b, motherboard has 0x0800820d
[03:42] <doug16k> dmesg has 16 lines like this, one per cpu -> [    0.752994] microcode: CPU0: patch_level=0x0800820d
[03:42] <Gallomimia> what's the star mean in the Disks app? i know the play arrow means mounted. all mine have stars by them too
[03:45] <doug16k> Gallomimia, I think it means bootable. not sure though
[03:45] <doug16k> that or mount at system startup
[03:47] <doug16k> only the drives I mount in fstab have stars in my case
[03:47] <doug16k> s/drives/partitions
[03:50] <naribia> this is somewhat of a silly question but I would like to get the terminal colors, and after a quick search, found I should uncomment "force_color_prompt=yes" in the .bashrc, however this has not given my terminal colors (ubuntu 18.04)
[03:50] <doug16k> Gallomimia, I have 5 drives, only the nvme root partition and my main 2TB storage drive have stars, both mounted in fstab
[03:51] <ryuo> naribia: did you open a new shell?
[03:51] <ryuo> naribia: changes to .bashrc don't take effect immediately.
[03:52] <naribia> ryuo: yes, and I had done source .bashrc also
[03:52] <Gallomimia> doug16k, it's not bootable. i think it means fstab mounted/mounts it
[03:52] <ryuo> naribia: and what do you define as not having color?
[03:52] <Gallomimia> the second statement you made
[03:52] <ryuo> naribia: this won't magically give things like your prompt colors.
[03:53] <Gallomimia> you need to actually assign colors to your prompt
[03:53] <naribia> ryuo: hm, well i had the name@host:~$, the @ and $ were red, now its all just green
[03:53] <ryuo> i see. then it is using color?
[03:53] <naribia> right, wups,
[03:53] <naribia> but it was colorizing more things
[03:54] <ryuo> like ls output?
[03:54] <Gallomimia> i find it moderately concerning that i can't seem to find the answer to my question in a manual
[03:54] <naribia> ryuo: that seems to be working too
[03:54] <ryuo> then what's missing?
[03:55] <naribia> perhaps it was just vi
[03:55] <ryuo> vi won't always have color. mostly when there's no syntax highlighting for the file.
[03:55] <doug16k> Gallomimia, can confirm, added one of my drives to fstab and it now has a star
[03:56] <doug16k> impressively, it updated on the fly without actually doing `sudo mount -a` or anything, must be watching/polling
[03:58] <doug16k> confirmed, just commenting out that line and saving fstab made star disappear immediately
[04:03] <doug16k> disks app uses a minus sign to mean delete partition. perhaps a skull and crossbones would be more appropriate :D
[04:04] <doug16k> or at least a trashcan
[04:06] <doug16k> about my earlier question, looks like removing amd64-microcode takes out the kernel, so (obviously?) I assume it won't downgrade my microcode
[04:56] <masber> hi, I need a bug fix for the linux kernel based on 4.19. How can I check which ubuntu version have this fix? Is there a way to browse the ubuntu kernel source files?
[04:56] <masber> this is the fix I need https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=ee6268ba3a68
[05:13] <Bircoff> Hello. Who can help me? I upgrade Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 and rules for FTP server in local network broken :(  16.04: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp -i $EXTIFINET -s $t --dport 21 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.101.100:21 iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -m tcp -d 192.168.101.100 -s $t --dport 21 -j ACCEPT
[05:14] <Nello33> Hello everyone!!
[05:14] <Nello33> mic check....!!!
[05:14] <Bircoff> ip_nat_ftp & ip_conntrack_ftp loading
[05:16] <Nello33> Got a issue where i cannot log on with SSH Key unless i first log on with password.  After password authentication i can the use SSH Key in any future login until i reboot.
[05:17] <Nello33> can't seem to find a fix and do not wan to reinstall.
[05:19] <Bircoff> Config FTP Server do not change. Passive FTP.
[06:25] <asdfgh> hello everybody
[06:26] <asdfgh> today my pc tooks around 3 minutes to start!! how is that possible? how can i see what happened?
[06:28] <Bashing-om> asdfgh: ' journalctl -b -0 ' shows messages from the current boot ; systemd-analyze blame and systemd-analyze critical-chain may give somehints.
[06:31] <asdfgh> Bashing-om, set 30 08:24:22 desktop kernel: secureboot: Secure boot could not be determined (mode 0)
[06:31] <asdfgh>    
[06:31] <asdfgh> ?
[06:31] <asdfgh> this?
[06:32] <asdfgh> set 30 08:24:22 desktop kernel: MDS CPU bug present and SMT on, data leak possible. See https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/hw-vuln/mds.html for more details.
[06:34] <asdfgh> set 30 08:24:22 desktop kernel: platform eisa.0: EISA: Cannot allocate resource for mainboard
[06:34] <asdfgh> set 30 08:24:22 desktop kernel: platform eisa.0: Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 1
[06:34] <Bashing-om> asdfgh: Got me -have you installed 3rd party software with secure boot enabled ?
[06:34] <asdfgh> then i have in (red) another line
[06:34] <asdfgh> set 30 08:24:22 desktop kernel: Couldn't get size: 0x800000000000000e
[06:34] <asdfgh> set 30 08:24:22 desktop kernel: MODSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI db list
[06:34] <asdfgh> Bashing-om, i think yes how can i check it?
[06:35] <Bashing-om> asdfgh: Nope -no experience here to advise on secure boot matters :(
[06:38] <asdfgh> ok
[07:32] <naribia> I insatlled ubuntu 18.04 on my lg gram laptop, is there a way I can remove the grub menu and just boot straight into ubuntu right away every time?
[07:40] <Bircoff> Hello. Who can help me? I upgrade Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 and rules for FTP server in local network broken :(  16.04: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp -i $EXTIFINET -s $t --dport 21 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.101.100:21 iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -m tcp -d 192.168.101.100 -s $t --dport 21 -j ACCEPT ip_nat_ftp & ip_conntrack_ftp
[07:40] <Bircoff> loading  Config FTP Server do not change. Passive FTP.
[07:43] <Bashing-om> narinderguptamac: While one can - not recommended - in the event of a need to boot to grub. Would you settle for a very short display ?
[07:43] <ryuo> Bashing-om: they left.
[07:44] <Bashing-om> ryuo: :) caught again not paying attention to tab complete !
[08:20] <mathgrad> When I boot up my installation switches from graphical mode to showing the bootlog, and I have to ctrl+alt+f2 then ctrl+alt+f1 to get my graphical login. Any ideas?
[08:41] <za1b1tsu> So there is url, that works for everybody except me. I tried "sudo /etc/init.d/dns-clean restart" and did not work
[08:42] <za1b1tsu> what can I do?
[08:42] <za1b1tsu> I am going to try: sudo service networking restart brb
[08:45] <za1b1tsu> still not working :(
[09:17] <[twisti]> i see this strange difference with a missing . in the outputs of ls -alsh, can someone explain to me what the significance of that is ?
[09:17] <[twisti]> 0 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 35 Sep 18  2017 /etc/localtime -> ../usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin
[09:17] <[twisti]> 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Sep 30 11:06 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin
[09:34] <Ntemis> hi
[09:34] <Ntemis> my pc needs too much time to boot, i checked dmesg and found this
[09:34] <Ntemis> [    8.672367] NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
[09:34] <Ntemis> [    8.672792] NFSD: Using legacy client tracking operations.
[09:34] <Ntemis> [    8.672793] NFSD: starting 90-second grace period (net f0000098)
[09:35] <Ntemis> how i remove that?
[09:42] <vlt> Ntemis: You could check /etc/fstab for any NFS mounts.
[09:45] <Ntemis> @vlt nothing UUID=2d1b439c-9171-4741-b39b-7a57aa113971 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:45] <Ntemis> /swapfile                                 none            swap    sw              0       0
[09:46] <Ntemis> and thats those are the only two etries in the fstab
[09:46] <vlt> Ntemis: And /etc/exports?
[09:46] <Ntemis> empty also
[09:47] <Ntemis> some comment out exist as examples but thats it nothing switched on
[09:47] <vlt> Ntemis: Then I don't know :|
[09:47] <Ntemis> ty
[09:49] <Ntemis> i removed  nfs-kernel-server lets see now
[09:52] <ace_me> I try to start supervisor with a first command and I get
[09:52] <ace_me> Starting supervisor:  ERROR.
[09:52] <ace_me> No log file is created and I am unable to foresee what is going on
[10:03] <mgedmin> ace_me: why don't you use systemd units instead to manage whatever you were managing with supervisor?
[10:04] <mgedmin> ace_me: anyway, if you want supervisor, then maybe check journalctl about any possible startup errors?
[10:30] <KPing> Anyone here knows how EFI partitions work under the hood? My understanding is that just having a \EFI\Boot\bootx64.efi file on an EFI partition will suffice, as the bootx64.efi file is the "nothing else works" file
[10:30] <KPing> but that doesn't seem to work, the UEFI doesn't even see the HDD with the EFI partition as being a bootable device
[10:32] <deanc> Im trying to play a youtube video and chrome is telling me to restart my computer because of a problem with the audio renderer?
[10:32] <deanc> "Audio renderer error: please restart your computer"
[10:33] <doug16k> KPing, in general that's right, but you can configure the firmware to do something else.
[10:33] <doug16k> ...sometimes
[10:34] <deanc> Can anyone help me avoid a restart :)?
[10:35] <doug16k> KPing, can you get into the "bios" settings screen? is the right drive selected?
[10:35] <doug16k> it might not even try to EFI boot if CSM (compatibility support module) is loading/enabled
[10:36] <doug16k> CSM on means, act like non-efi machine, look for MBR, copy it to 0x7c00, etc, like IBM PC
[10:42] <doug16k> deanc, `pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio --start`
[10:42] <doug16k> reload the page. should do it
[10:45] <doug16k> if I just kill pulseaudio (with -k) then I get that audio renderer error you mention. starting pulseaudio again and reloading continues playback for me
[10:46] <mgedmin> KPing: it needs to be VFAT, it needs to be marked bootable, and the partition type needs to be set to 0xEF
[10:49] <mgedmin> uh, that's for MBR, for GPT the partition type is some 128-bit GUID I will never in a million years be able to spell from memory
[10:50] <KPing> doug16k if I go to the "bios" config I don't even see the drive in the bootable devices list
[10:50] <KPing> CSM is disabled, Secure Boot is enabled
[10:50] <mgedmin> but 'set
[10:50] <doug16k> KPing, how is the drive connected? SATA?
[10:50] <mgedmin> but 'set <partition> esp on' in parted should set it correct afaiu
[10:51] <KPing> doug16k yep, sata
[10:51] <KPing> I mean tbh what I did I did it in Windows
[10:51] <KPing> but I just cleared the disk
[10:51] <KPing> created a EFI part
[10:52] <KPing> formatted it as fat32
[10:52] <KPing> created the folder structure \EFI\Boot and copied my bootx64.efi inside
[10:52] <KPing> that's it
[10:52] <doug16k> then it won't have the right partition type
[10:52] <doug16k> the disk layout/structures are fat32, but the partition type is not the same
[10:53] <KPing> no, but when you create a part in diskpart.exe it knows what an efi partition is
[10:53] <KPing> you literally do ..
[10:53] <KPing> create partition efi size=300
[10:53] <KPing> that gives it the EFI GUID
[10:53] <doug16k> ok
[10:54] <doug16k> I wrote an EFI bootloader for my OS project, it works :D
[10:55] <doug16k> I used sgdisk to make the partition though
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:56] <doug16k> KPing, see here for the disk image building madness https://github.com/doug65536/dgos/blob/master/diskfat.mk
[10:58] <doug16k> KPing, is it your EFI executable? if so #osdev is probably a better place to ask
[10:58] <KPing> Umm ... not sure how that really helps me doug16k :D
[10:58] <KPing> Sure, I'll try there
[10:59] <KPing> Yeah so the system doesn't even see the .efi at all
[10:59] <mmystic> hi all
[11:29] <ws2k3> can i find the package list for ubuntu 14.04 somewhere?
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> ws2k3: 14.04 is eol
[11:29] <ws2k3> lotuspsychje:  realy? you never told me that :D
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> ws2k3: are you going to start trolling again?
[11:30] <ws2k3> i never trolled. you did.
[11:30] <ws2k3> but i didnt ask if it was eol i asked if i can find a package list somewhere
[11:31] <ws2k3> lotuspsychje: https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/allpackages thanks for nothing
[11:32] <geirha> ws2k3: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com
[11:32] <ws2k3> geirha: i already found that but its not easy searchable
[11:34] <jink> And it doesn't need to be, since it's EOL.  Rather point your users to relevant info.
[11:47] <gulzar> Ubutnu 16.04 is stuck on Plymouth screen . I want to see where it is stuck. "I" doesn't work. How to disable this stupid plymouth from grub? This is fresh installation on Asus rogue
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> gulzar: F1 to switch to text booting, write down the relevant errors
[11:51] <zxcat> hi all, is possible to create a iso-boot-cd based on our default configuration / installed packages and users?
[11:51] <zxcat> I mean, easly ^
[11:51] <zxcat> Where can I find documentation to read about it ?
[11:55] <mgedmin> gulzar: esc should hide the boot log and show you all the service messages
[11:55] <gulzar> lotuspsychje: F1 worked
[11:55] <gulzar> lotuspsychje: thank you
[11:56] <gulzar> mgedmin: ok will try
[11:56] <gulzar> mgedmin: thank you
[12:13] <mendi> hi guys, trying to get into multi-user (command line interface instead of gnome) but it won't show me anything (black screen), I have a graphics card that is not connected to any monitor but if I connect it to a monitor command line interface works fine
[12:14] <mendi> I cannot just connect the graphics card to the monitor because I want to update the driver
[12:14] <mendi> I'm running on bionic, intel integrated graphics through hdmi
[12:15] <mendi> default drivers don't know if intel has non-free
[12:16] <pragmaticenigma> mendi: You can update the driver to the graphics card while the card is in use. A reboot is required before the graphics drivers will be used anyways
[12:16] <mendi> pragmaticenigma I can't, nvidia complains about kernel modules being loaded which I can't unload because they're in use..
[12:16] <mendi> \
[12:17] <pragmaticenigma> mendi: Are you trying to use the drivers provided by Nvidia.. .if so, those are not supported or tested, and are not recommended. Use the drivers provided by the Ubuntu repository. Those are configured, tested and tuned to work with Ubuntu
[12:18] <pragmaticenigma> !nvidia | mendi
[12:18] <mendi> need to use their drivers for cuda, either way my problem is ubuntu-related and not nvidia
[12:18] <mendi> I can't get in commandline ui
[12:19] <cgi> I've a desktop shortcut to start a vm. How do I get it in gnome on the left panel?
[12:19] <cgi> add to Favorites?
[12:19] <mendi> yes
[12:21] <pragmaticenigma> mendi: How are attempting to boot the machine to CLI mode?
[12:22] <mendi> systemctl isolate multi-user.target
[12:24] <mendi> screen is black, display is connected though so I would assume it's assuming a wrong resolution and it's off the screen
[12:25] <mendi> which would make no sense wouldn't 0,0 still be 0,0 in another resolution?
[12:26] <pragmaticenigma> mendi: I'm still trying to find a way to boot terminal mode, the instructions that I found, that mention what you tried, were 4+ years old. I'm not sure if they still apply or not
[12:27] <mendi> it's still the way to do it
[12:27] <mendi> replace isolate with set-default if you want it to automatically boot into terminal
[12:27] <mendi> then you'd have to run startx to get into gui
[12:28] <mendi> or systemctl isolate graphics.target
[12:28] <pragmaticenigma> That's not the instructions I'm finding with Ubuntu 18.04
[12:29] <pragmaticenigma> mendi: I'm seeing instructions for changing grub line to: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"
[12:29] <mendi> yeah you can do it via systemctl too
[12:29] <slidercrank> Sometimes after Ubuntu boots, I see flashing dots [ o o o o o]. They get sequentially red and then white again. These dots are drawn even after your logged in and they cover anything else on the screen
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> slidercrank: on what kind of graphics card chipset?
[12:31] <Haris> hello all
[12:31] <slidercrank> lotuspsychje, QXL (under QEMU). The only solution is to reboot and then it's fine
[12:32] <Haris> I have a file name "-A ICMP -i lo -p icmp -j ACCEPT" on trusty (14.04.6). how do I delete it, rename it?
[12:32] <pragmaticenigma> slidercrank: Make sure you have applied the latest updates to your system. There were some recent Plymouth bugs fixed, Plymouth being responsible for the boot splash screens
[12:32] <geirha> Haris: rm ./-A<tab>
[12:32] <Haris> I can't even view it with vim
[12:32] <pragmaticenigma> !trusty | Haris
[12:32] <pragmaticenigma> !eol | Haris
[12:32] <slidercrank> pragmaticenigma, okay. I've found an answer to this problem on the Internet "I removed nomodeset from after quiet splash, and it seems to have fixed it."
[12:33] <pragmaticenigma> slidercrank: Do you understand why that works?
[12:35] <Haris> We'v moved off of trusty. this machine is going to get recycled
[12:35] <Haris> the file name is being taken as params passed to mv, rm, vim
[12:35] <geirha> Haris: anyway, there are mainly two ways to deal with filenames starting with -. 1. prepend ./ to it, or 2. use the special -- option to tell the command that the remaining arguments are not options, even if they start with -
[12:35] <Haris> ok, vim opened file with ./ preceeding
[12:35] <pragmaticenigma> Haris: escape the filename within single quotes
[12:36] <Haris> ok good. file is gone
[12:36] <slidercrank> pragmaticenigma, well. I know what this kernel parameter is for. But that doesn't explain why this behaviour is inconsistent. I usually boot normally (without these dots).
[12:36] <Regor> How can I stop tor from starting automatically on boot?
[12:37] <pragmaticenigma> slidercrank: The "dots" are produced by the boot splash screen manager Plymouth. As for why it works, nomodeset prevents the kernel from attempting to discover the graphics chipset capabilities until before the drivers have been loaded.
[12:38] <takashi> how do i install python3.6 on ubuntu 19.04 ?
[12:38] <takashi> I'm a noob...playing around with a linode machine...trying to make a flask app work
[12:39] <slidercrank> pragmaticenigma, okay. thanks
[12:39] <mgedmin> takashi: wouldn't it be easier to use python3.7 that comes with the system?
[12:39] <mgedmin> are there any backwards-incompatible changes in 3.7 that break your flask app?
[12:40] <pragmaticenigma> takashi: What is the output of "python3 --version"
[12:41] <takashi> @pragmaticenigma 3.7.3
[12:41] <pragmaticenigma> takashi: Can you answer mgedmin's question?
[12:42] <takashi> I don't think so...I'll try to change the Pipfile to 3.7 and see if it works...
[12:43] <pragmaticenigma> takashi: You shouldn't need to change any configuration files in Ubuntu to run python. If you need a specific version or environment, use the virtual environment feature of python
[12:44] <takashi> yes, I'm trying it in a virtual env with pipenv
[12:46] <takashi> (the Pipfile i changed was in the project directory)
[12:49] <mgedmin> #python might be a better channel to ask about pipenv and stuff
[12:49] <takashi> ok:-) thanks!
[12:49] <pragmaticenigma> takashi: Okay, that's good. the versions of python that are installed by default are used by a lot of system tools. As far as your app, if it runs in Python 3.6, it should run without any modification in Python 3.7
[12:49] <otyugh> Hey
[12:50]  * mgedmin sees that the deadsnakes ppa doesn't support ubuntu 19.04, so options for getting other python versions are pyenv or compiling from source; in any case switching to 3.7 should be easier
[12:50] <otyugh> I've got a icon theme stuck on the Gnome's desktop. Any idea how to unblock it ?
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> otyugh: wich icon theme is that
[12:51] <mendi> hi again i did apt remove nvidia* and now booting from intel integrated ofc it gets stuck at started Hold until boot process finishes up. any ideas?
[12:52] <mendi> i cant alt f1/f2 doesnt work
[12:52] <mendi> gdm starts ok before that though
[12:53] <otyugh> lotuspsychje it's HighContrast
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> otyugh: so you switching to highcontrast, then what happens?
[12:54] <otyugh> it changes in the docks
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> mendi: your graphics card chipset please?
[12:54] <otyugh> but nautilus stays the same
[12:54] <mendi> nvidia 1070ti but im booting from intel integrated 4000 series
[12:54] <otyugh> (it changes the icons images, I mean)
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> mendi: when you purge nvidia* it falls back to nouveau, wich might give you problems to get in your system, workaround= !nomodeset and install the nvidia driver
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> otyugh: can you make a screenshot of your highcontrast enabled please?
[12:56] <otyugh> lotuspsychje, nah, I found the way finnaly
[12:56] <mendi> well i cant get into cli lotuspsychje how do I do that
[12:56] <otyugh> seems that the set of icon Adawaita was incomplete
[12:57] <otyugh> and it was completed with the highContrast ones
[12:57] <otyugh> Switching to gnome's set fixed it
[12:57] <mendi> nothing happens when i alt f1/f2 but the underscore is still ticking
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | mendi
[12:58] <mendi> so i need a linux live to access grub?
[13:00] <mgedmin> you could change the kernel command line for a single boot in the grub boot menu
[13:00] <mgedmin> iirc you can access that by holding down shift during boot?  or by pressing esc at the right instant
[13:01] <mendi> well now my monitor is not recognized
[13:02] <mendi> wtf
[13:02] <mendi> grup displays on the graphic card that wasnt connected to any display
[13:02] <mendi> grub*
[13:03] <mgedmin> ouch
[13:06] <mendi> yeah it does default to noveau for some reason
[13:06] <mendi> even though its not connected to any display
[13:07] <mgedmin> does the bios have a setting for this?
[13:08] <mendi> nope no clue
[13:10] <mendi> well i disabled nouveau and now i get no graphical output
[13:10] <mendi> im a smart one I guess
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> mendi: a GTX card needs to nvidia driver
[13:11] <mendi> noted down lotuspsychje haha
[13:12] <mendi> whats mind blowing is that the intel integrated gpu gets no output either
[13:13] <mendi> just a black screen
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> mendi: booting uefi or legacy?
[13:14] <mendi> uefi
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> mendi: are you dualbooting with windows?
[13:14] <mendi> no
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> mendi: try legacy, some uefi settings will influence/block your hardware
[13:21] <mendi> cheers lotuspsychje
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> mendi: fixxed ?
[13:21] <mendi> my bios primary display was set to auto
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> mendi: and you changed to?
[13:21] <mendi> it choosed the display less graphics card
[13:21] <mendi> cpu graphics
[13:21] <mgedmin> what a shy bios
[13:21] <mendi> now its fine
[13:21] <mendi> its asus
[13:24] <kenperkins> btw, most annoying combination in Ubuntu is Super P
[13:24] <mendi> "would you like nvidia-xconfig to override x11 settings?" here we go again
[13:25] <kenperkins> coming from an OSX VSCode user where Cmd+P is used in VSCode, I've hit Super-P so many times screwing up my monitor config
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | kenperkins come to:
[13:27] <Regor>  How can I stop tor from starting automatically on boot?
[13:28] <mendi> systemctl
[13:28] <kenperkins> apologies :) let me transform that, other than using dconf-editor, is there a better way to unbind Super+P on Ubuntu 19.04?
[13:28] <mendi> sudo systemctl disable tor
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: hotkeys are managed in: systemsettings/devices/keyboard
[13:31] <kenperkins> there is no entry in systemsettings/devices/keyboard for Super+P
[13:32] <Regor> mendi: thanks :)
[14:23] <kenperkins> what is this icon on the top bar? it doesn't have a tool tip or any functionality i can see: https://imgur.com/a/1mBdYMm
[14:25]  * mgedmin has never seen it before
[14:25] <nicomachus> Looks like a cam? Like a webcam app or something
[14:26] <cybercrypto> Hi there, I have a few freebsd running using zfs and I heard that next ubuntu release will offer improvements to such filesystem. Does anyone can point me to official docs where I can read more technical details about it?
[14:26] <mgedmin> kenperkins: there are a bunch of keyboards that have special keys for things like "projector mode" that send hardcoded keys like super+p, so gnome-settings-daemon hardcodes those keys to these functions and I don't think there's any way to change that :(
[14:27] <kenperkins> @mgedmin I found I could remove the bindings in dconf-editor, but not super discoverable, having to google, then apt install, and then find them, for a setting that seems global. I wonder how that could be added to the tradtional key settings area, where do you file issues for ubuntu
[14:28] <mgedmin> oh, it is changeable?  I'm surprised
[14:29] <mgedmin> re: bugs -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[14:29] <kenperkins> yes, I was able to unbind it last night after repeatedly messing up my monitor config
[14:29] <mgedmin> or you may want to go directly upstream: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues
[14:29] <kenperkins> https://askubuntu.com/a/1038869
[14:30] <kenperkins> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/214
[14:30] <mgedmin> hmm, look here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/214
[14:30] <kenperkins> and it already exists
[14:30] <mgedmin> heh
[14:34] <kenperkins> I added a comment :S best I can do
[14:34] <kenperkins> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/214#note_614616
[14:39] <kenperkins> how do I identify what an icon on my top bar relates to?
[14:50] <mgedmin> I wonder if looking glass could be useful there?  (Alt-F2 lg <Enter>)
[14:52] <mgedmin> maybe file an issue asking for a way to identify what app is responsible for which icon?  https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/issues
[15:18] <kenperkins> done, thanks for the tip
[15:26] <majestic_> I just installed ubuntu 19.04 on my lenovo c940 laptop, but there are no network drivers installed so I cant connect to wifi, how do I fix this?
[15:26] <majestic_> Is there a package I can download to usb and just install it on the laptop?
[15:28] <mgedmin> majestic_: does 'ubuntu-drivers list' say you need a driver for your wifi?
[15:29] <mgedmin> also, does your laptop have an ethernet port?  might be simpler than mucking with usb
[15:29] <OerHeks> their forum gives: modprobe -r ideapad_laptop https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Ubuntu/Linux-compatibility-with-Yoga-C930/td-p/4267325
[15:30] <majestic_> mgedmin: It does not output anything
[15:31] <majestic_> Tried with the modprobe command but it did not do anything
[15:31] <tomreyn> majestic_: there seems to be several variants of lenovo c940. C940-14IIL apparently comes with an intel wireless chipset
[15:32] <tomreyn> if you can get the exact model number from its bottom or using   dmesg | grep 'DMI:'  that could help
[15:33] <majestic_> tomreyn: It is the c940 14IIL
[15:33] <tomreyn> does    lsmod | grep iwl    output anything?
[15:34] <majestic_> The "dmesg | grep 'DMI:'" gives me: LENOVO 81Q9/LNVNB161216, BIOS AUCN45WW 08/22/2019
[15:34] <majestic_> "lsmod | grep iwl" outputs nothing
[15:35] <tomreyn> run this:   lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller'
[15:36] <tomreyn> on those lines sticking out, starting with numbers, tell us the numbers in [square brackets] to the end
[15:38] <majestic_> It says "[0280] Intel corporation device [8086:34f0] (rev 30)" and "Subsystem: Intel corporation device [8086:0074] and "Serial bus controller [0c80]: Intel corporation Ice lake-lp serial IO I2C Controller #0 [8086:34e8] (rev 30)
[15:38] <majestic_> Also "Subsystem: Lenovo Ice Lake-LP Serial IO I2C Controller [17aa:3840]"
[15:39] <tomreyn> 8086:34f0 is an intel "killer" chipset. i don't know which drivers those need, looking
[15:39] <tomreyn> bug 1841736
[15:41] <mgedmin> ah the joys of bleeding-edge hardware
[15:41] <majestic_> tomreyn: What does this mean essentially? That I won't enjoy ubuntu?
[15:41] <mgedmin> huh, "Instead, dkms package backport-iwlwifi is recommended"
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> majestic_: i fixxed my intel wifi with similar bug, by installing that oem sp1 kernel from tomreyn bug find
[15:41] <mgedmin> does that mean you can apt install backport-iwlwifi and get it working?
[15:42] <tomreyn> majestic_: still reading
[15:42] <mgedmin> ah, no, that's for bionic
[15:42] <mgedmin> you're on disco
[15:42] <OerHeks> does : sudo modprobe -r ideapad_laptop # anything?
[15:42] <tomreyn> there's a backport to 18.04's linux-oem kernel images
[15:42] <majestic_> OerHeks: Tried it earlier, did not do anything
[15:42] <tomreyn> (stil  in -proposed)
[15:43] <tomreyn> but we're taling 19.04 here
[15:43] <tomreyn> maybe majestic_ will need a !mainline kernel
[15:44] <majestic_> What does that mean?
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn majestic_ mgedmin was mine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1809224
[15:48] <tomreyn> majestic_: so right now the only way to get this wireless chipset working is to install ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS and then to install additional software, namley linux-oem from the 'proposed' archive (which needs ot be enabled first).
[15:49] <tomreyn> i suggest you first of all look for an alternative way to get this system online.
[15:50] <tomreyn> majestic_: such as: ethernet (wired) connection, usb to ethernet dongle, tethering via smartphone, usb wireless dongle
[15:50] <majestic_> What do you mean with an alternative way? I know 19.10 will be released soon, will that support the wireless chipset?
[15:50] <majestic_> Or I could simply reinstall and use 18.04 LTS, and it will work without any problems?
[15:50] <tomreyn> majestic_: 19.10 will likely support it in the future, but not now.
[15:51] <tomreyn> majestic_: yuo said you installed 19.04, not 18.04 LTS
[15:51] <majestic_> Yeah, 19.04 is installed now, but I could reinstall to 18.04 LTS if that system works
[15:52] <majestic_> I have a usb and another computer which I could use to my advantage
[15:52] <tomreyn> majestic_: 18.04 will not work out of the box, but you should be able to make it work with some additional changes and downloads.
[15:52] <tomreyn> carrying packages from a to be is a last resort option, consider the other options i listed above first
[15:56] <tomreyn> majestic_: so are any of those an option?
[15:56] <majestic_> tomreyn: Will something like this work? https://www.logitech.com/en-roeu/product/unifying-receiver-usb
[15:58] <tomreyn> majestic_: no, that's for input devices such as mice and keyboards.
[15:59] <majestic_> Oh, sorry that was the wrong product: https://www.tp-link.com/se/home-networking/adapter/tl-wn725n/
[16:00] <majestic_> I meant something like this, a wireless adapter, it should be able to do the work, right?
[16:00] <tomreyn> majestic_: this could work if you're close enough to the wireless access point. signal strentgh will be low
[16:00] <majestic_> What would be something equivalent to the network card that I can just plug into the USB
[16:00] <majestic_> I mean in signal strenght etc
[16:01] <tomreyn> that's what i described as "usb wireless dongle" above
[16:02] <tomreyn> there are usb connectable wireless network devices which come with a separate antenna, those will work better, but usually devices like the one you showed are enough.
[16:02] <majestic_> Ah okay, I guess I have no other option if I want to run ubuntu, or linux in general
[16:02] <majestic_> (as for now)
[16:03] <tomreyn> so you have this very device you pointed to?
[16:03] <tomreyn> tl-wn725n ?
[16:04] <majestic_> No, I made a quick search and found that, it was relatively cheap
[16:04] <tomreyn> an android smartphone with a usb connectable charging cable would also work.
[16:06] <mgedmin> can andoid share wifi over usb?  last time I tried, it shared my LTE and used up my monthly limit in minutes
[16:07] <tomreyn> i'm not sure about the latest android versions, but android 4 to 7 can
[16:08] <tomreyn> but i guess majestic_ would have said so by now if they had an android device.
[16:10] <majestic_> No, not at the moment, I will consider a dongle though, I appreciate the help, hopefully the chipset will be supported in the near future
[16:12] <tomreyn> majestic_: according to https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=247705&p=2 you should be able to use the internal intel AX1650 wireless using linux 5.2.2 and latest firmware.
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> majestic_: could try a 19.10 libeusb perhaps, just as a test?
[16:15] <elias_a> I'd like to use an USB IRDA dongle in 18.04. The behaviour I see when I plug it in is a bit odd.
[16:16] <majestic_> tomreyn: Wait so arch linux will work?
[16:16] <elias_a> lsusb says the following: Bus 001 Device 013: ID 07d0:4959 Dazzle Kingsun KS-959 Infrared Adapter
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: and it doesnt work?
[16:17] <tomreyn> majestic_: not out of the box, i guess. though it's a rolling distribution, so they can more easily support the latest hardware.
[16:18] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: Apparently I have some ancient config file somewhere in my system as the computer tries to start modemmanager after plugging it in....
[16:18] <tomreyn> majestic_: there is indeed a chance that ubuntu 19.10 beta will support your hardware, i concur it's worth a try.
[16:18] <elias_a> Isn't modemmanager obsolete nowadays?
[16:19] <majestic_> tomreyn: I will try arch linux and then ubuntu 19.10 beta
[16:20] <majestic_> Just for fun
[16:20] <tomreyn> elias_a: i think network manager still uses modemmanager to manage e.g. 4G chips.
[16:20] <tomreyn> majestic_: good luck!
[16:21] <elias_a> tomreyn: Ok. Thanks.
[16:22] <majestic_> Thanks
[16:25] <elias_a> This is what syslog says when I plug in the dongle: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m53sXzJSzH/
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: the segfault doesnt look nice
[16:27] <rapidwave> What is the right update domain for apt? archive.ubuntu.com fails
[16:27] <tomreyn> rapidwave: with which error message?
[16:28] <tomreyn> elias_a: is your ubuntu 18.04 full yup to date?
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: other usb ports influences its behaviour?
[16:29] <rapidwave> It says 404 not found
[16:30] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: No it does not. :/
[16:31] <elias_a> tomreyn: Should be as I am using Livepatch. I'll check the updates.
[16:32] <tomreyn> rapidwave: which ubuntu version is this?
[16:33] <tomreyn> rapidwave: lsb_release -ds
[16:33] <rapidwave> 18.04.1
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | rapidwave
[16:34] <tomreyn> elias_a: livepatch only ensures that you get (select) kernel patches while you're not rebooting, not (other) software updates
[16:35] <tomreyn> rapidwave: normally archive.ubuntu.com should work, it resolves to several ip addresses and mirror servers (and if it does not it would be good to diagnose more thoroughly why it does not work). but you can choose any of these: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[16:35] <tomreyn> rapidwave: 404 may be just because you did not run "sudo apt update" before you tried to install a software
[16:39] <elias_a> tomreyn: Ok. I updated&upgraded. Same behaviour.
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: did you syslog tail, or journalctl -f ?
[16:40] <tomreyn> elias_a: did you reboot, though?
[16:42] <elias_a> tomreyn: Nope. I'll do that.
[16:43] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: That was tail -f /var/log/syslog that I pasted.
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: reboot as tomreyn adviced first, then journal
[16:44] <WoC> any suggestions on how to change default os in grub ?
[16:45] <tomreyn> WoC: grub-set-default
[16:46] <WoC> k, ty
[16:46] <tomreyn> WoC: but read its man page
[16:47] <WoC> maybe it would be better to somehow change the default uefi entry...
[16:48] <tomreyn> you can also just set GRUB_DEFAULT as discussed at https://askubuntu.com/a/110738
[16:48] <tomreyn> WoC: ^
[16:50] <elias_a> This is what journalctl -f looks like when I plug the dongle in: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9yDVhDcCxC/
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: seems like modem manager having some real issues with your device
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: maybe this is worth a new !bug
[16:52] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: Yes it does. I am just wonderin whether this could be caused by some old config. I remember I did some serious tweaking with a flip usb modem...
[16:53] <tomreyn> elias_a: can you post this?    sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[16:53] <tomreyn> just making sure your apt is generally fine
[16:53] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: Perhaps I should test the dongle in a live session?
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: from your journal, it says it cant find plugins for your device
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: worth a shot on a clean system
[16:54] <tomreyn> elias_a: and then also    apt-cache policy modemmanager libmm-glib0 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:55] <elias_a> First one: https://termbin.com/hzoh
[16:56] <WoC> appreciated tomreyn, i have no choice than to accept defeat, amd graphics drivers issues, hw is older than 6 months so there will be no fix, looks like i have to use winblows on A10-9620P
[16:57] <elias_a> Second one: https://termbin.com/kw3rt
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> !info modemmanager
[16:58] <tomreyn> elias_a: those look fine. i notice you have    ifupdown-hotplug   mentioned in your first log, though. however, normally, ubuntu 18.04 no longer uses ifupdown.
[16:59] <tomreyn> are you using network manager?
[16:59] <fuze> Is there a way for me to patch this bug in my system? kubnutu 18.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271019
[17:00] <elias_a> tomreyn: I am using network manager. The ifupdown-hotlug certainly has to do with some old flip mode USB modems I have used years back.
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: didnt try this myself, maybe worth to compare that manual edit? https://forum.manjaro.org/t/modemmanager-mobile-broadband-adapter-not-supported-anymore/45268
[17:03] <tomreyn> elias_a: hmm i would suggest you install ifupdown and make sure you can manage all network interfaces through netwokrmanager only then. but this won't prevent modemmanager from segfaulting. indeed i think you should run    ubuntu-bug modemmanager
[17:03]  * tomreyn got to leave, ttyl
[17:04] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: Thank you - I'll check it out.
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: if that doesnt work, go for the bug as tomreyn suggests
[17:18] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: This definately has to do with my old configs as the dongle works out of the box when booted from a live stick.
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: ah good you tested it clean before !bug
[17:19] <adrian_1908> Sorry, way offtopic but could someone briefly tell me if "Manchester United vs Arsenal" is still on / at what time is started? I cannot look online without running into the score.
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> adrian_1908: not here please
[17:26] <adrian_1908> Yeah sorry, someone helped me via PM.
[17:29] <MapMan> Hi! I'm trying to install an older version of mongo on ubuntu 18 lts. I had this exact problem before and I managed to do it. This time, I'm stuck on uninstalling exisiting installation of mongo which doesn't work. When I do 'sudo apt remove mongodb-server' it fails, because the initscript fails to stop mongodb (mongodb is not running, it's broken and never even started, but stopping also throws an error).
[17:29] <MapMan> What can I do?
[17:29] <sarnold> can you pastebin the whole thing?
[17:29] <MapMan> sure
[17:30] <MapMan> https://dpaste.de/S4c1
[17:32] <MapMan> This prevents me from installing the version I want
[17:32] <sarnold> MapMan: where did you download that package from? I don't spot it in my archive mirror
[17:32] <MapMan> from mongo repos
[17:33] <MapMan> I had to add apt-key and sources list
[17:33] <mgedmin> MapMan: does sudo systemctl daemon-reload help?
[17:33] <sarnold> ugh, it looks like they host with s3 buckets or something https://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu bionic/mongodb-org/
[17:33] <sarnold> https://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu%20bionic/mongodb-org/ --> 404 Code: NoSuchKey
[17:34] <sarnold> wait did trhey really put a space in their bloody url>>
[17:34] <MapMan> mgedmin: nope, doesn't help
[17:34] <mgedmin> if not, then the next step is probably manually editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/mongodb-org-server.prerm to make it not fail if the invoke-rc.d call fails
[17:34] <mgedmin> pastebin that file if you'd like us to be more specific
[17:34] <MapMan> sarnold: ofcourse they have :)
[17:34] <kenperkins> what are .desktop files?
[17:34] <mgedmin> or just drop || true at the end of the invoke-rc.d that is trying to stop the server
[17:34] <sarnold> no this one's my fault, I copied the entire apt line, not the url, heh
[17:34] <MapMan> mgedmin: ok, I'll edit the prerm file
[17:36] <sarnold> heh, I don't see 3.2.22 on https://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu/dists/bionic/mongodb-org/ .. how the heck did yougrab their prerm script so fast? :)
[17:40] <MapMan> sarnold: hmm? :P
[17:41] <MapMan> sarnold: I think it's in ubuntu trusty or xenial or something. It was a mistake to install it that way, it doesn't work. I remember that I did it exactly the same way before but now I can't remove it...
[17:41] <sarnold> MapMan: I wanted to grab the package you had installed so I could find the prerm script and try to guess which step failed.. but their repo doesn't appear to have that version any more
[17:41] <MapMan> right
[17:42] <MapMan> the script is really simple: https://dpaste.de/1cLb
[17:43] <MapMan> I find this to be really confusing: https://dpaste.de/BY9V
[17:44] <MapMan> okay, screw it, I modified the bash script
[17:47] <sarnold> after you change service files you have to manually tell systemd about them via systemctl daemon-reload
[17:47] <sarnold> I think the dh_systemd debian helper tool will do that automatically but not all packagers use it
[17:48] <mgedmin> MapMan: note 'mongodb' in one command but 'monogd' in the other
[17:48] <mgedmin> the ubuntu mongodb-server package uses a service called 'mongodb' with the b at the end
[17:49] <mgedmin> the prerm script you shared wants a 'monogd' service without the b at the end
[17:52] <MapMan> mgedmin: yeah, I know. Something was fucked up with it from the very beginning, it would never start and would always complain about the same thing, nothing helped.
[17:52] <MapMan> Thanks mgedmin and sarnold, mongodb works after I removed the package and reinstalled the package I ultimately wanted
[17:54] <sarnold> yay :)
[18:54] <gp> Can anyone point me towards a walkthrough for configuring shell scripts in ubuntu 18.04?  I.e. ctrl alt f4 opens a screen running my favorite gui program
[19:00] <lordcirth> gp, that sounds more like a keyboard shortcut than a script
[19:01] <gp> lordcirth: virtual console?
[19:01] <lordcirth> gp, can you clarify what you want to happen?
[19:03] <gp> lordcirth: Just getting started. Trying to configure what happens when the user swaps to ttyN. Sort of like https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Getty#Automatic_login_to_virtual_console
[19:03] <gp> Lost at this point. Trying to get my bearings
[19:03] <jrgilman> hey there, I wrote a little script that sets up my dual monitors in the proper positions, but I also want to modify the position of the dock to always be with one of the monitors (the one i'm setting as primary with xrandr). the preferred-monitor option under gsettings org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock switches from 1 to 2 when i modify that value in the GUI but it
[19:04] <gil> Hi all - I am attempting to lock down my box via ufw - https://pastebin.com/fmc49NLR .... I'm surprised that I'm still able to browse the web using that configuration- shouldn't it be blocking port 80?
[19:04] <jrgilman> s not clear how that relates to my monitors
[19:04] <gp> First attempt would be nice to log into a RDP server using freerdp
[19:04] <lordcirth> gp, Ah, ok. Why run this app in it's own X server on ttyN instead of on the main X server?
[19:04] <gp> lordcirth: tty1 runs mate desktop, tty2 uses freerdp, tty3 runs an xterm, etc
[19:04] <gp> lordcirth: multitasking
[19:05] <sarnold> gil: "allow (outgoing),"
[19:05] <gp> lordcirth: currently runs this way on older version but ubuntu 18.04 changes with systemd
[19:06] <gil> sarnold okay, maybe I'm being stupid - does that allow outgoing also allow incoming connections if I've initiated them?
[19:07] <sarnold> gil: an outgoing tcp packet is only useful it incoming reply packets are accepted; so the usual mechanism with most stateful firewall systems automatically allows reply packets too
[19:08] <doug16k> gp, in settings/devices/keyboard, scroll all the way down, click the +, add your command there
[19:08] <gil> sarnold okay. That makes complete sense. Thanks for explaining it to me!
[19:08] <deanc> Software updater just said it would like to restart my machine
[19:08] <deanc> how can i find out "why"?
[19:08] <deanc> there's nothing in the gui that popped up, just restart now and later
[19:08] <sarnold> gil: cool! you're welcome, have fun :D
[19:09] <gp> doug16k: that isn't helpful here unfortunately. I am trying to configure via command line for images that are netbooted
[19:09] <doug16k> ah
[19:10] <mgedmin> deanc: you can cat /run/reboot-required.pkgs to see what packages that were upgraded had the 'reboot required' flag
[19:10] <sarnold> gp: is this a problem better served by tiling window manager like i3 or notion or dwm or ratpoison or similar?
[19:11] <gp> sarnold: maybe for this exact problem. but I am trying to get the basics down so that I can abstract the functionality to be configured by mac address. so that certain images display certain screens
[19:12] <deanc> mgedmin: linux-image and linux-base*
[19:12] <deanc> why would that be? ive not ran an apt-get upgrade today
[19:12] <deanc> ah i have security updates auto
[19:12] <deanc> could there be a security issue in the linux-base that requires that restart?
[19:14] <mgedmin> deanc: linux-image, more likely
[19:15] <mgedmin> that's a kernel security update
[19:15] <mgedmin> ah, linux-base contains support files for linux kernels, how interesting
[19:16] <deanc> Why do i need to restart. I run debian on a vps and dont think ive had to "restart" in 2-3 years?
[19:16] <mgedmin> didn't you ever install kernel security updates?  there's a security vulnerability discovered like every few weeks...
[19:16] <lordcirth> deanc, do you have a tool doing live kernel patches?
[19:17] <lordcirth> Even then, those tools usually warn you after a while that you need to actually reboot
[19:17] <deanc> lordcirth: not knowingly
[19:17] <lordcirth> deanc, then that VPS's kernel has several years of vulnerabilities.
[19:17] <deanc> mgedmin: i just regularly do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and periodically dist-upgrade
[19:18] <sarnold> deanc: we publish kernel updates every three weeks; even if you're running livepatch on your instances to live update your kernels, you still need to reboot periodically because there's just some bugs that can't be livepatched
[19:18] <deanc> sarnold: how can i confirm my kernel is set to be live patched?
[19:18] <deanc> which tab is that under under update settings
[19:18] <lordcirth> live patching basically lets you put off the reboot till the weekend, in most cases.
[19:18] <deanc> Rebooting makes me sad :(
[19:19] <doug16k> already fixed already installed but not rebooted to be applied vulnerabilities make me sad
[19:20] <deanc> doug16k: :>
[19:21] <sarnold> deanc: run canonical-livepatch status --verbose
[19:21] <mgedmin> if you had live-patching you'd know it
[19:21] <mgedmin> you have to sign up for an account, get secret tokens, install tools, enable them
[19:21] <deanc> what are the pros/cons of live patching, it says it can be installed
[19:21] <mgedmin> that's for ubuntu; I don't believe live patching is available for debian at all
[19:22] <mgedmin> pros: no reboots needed, cons: only 3 machines before you have to pay, only some ubuntu versions are supported, and not all updates can be installed by live-patching so you will need occasional reboots
[19:22] <mgedmin> also, not all architectures are supported (no arm, eg.)
[19:23] <deanc> hm okay good to know
[19:23] <deanc> why i have your ear, i cant get an answer in the linux channel. Im looking for a terminal which gives me the number of times my bell has sounded from any tab when it's not focused (as iterm2 does on osx)
[19:23] <deanc> *whilst
[19:23] <mgedmin> oh, interesting feature (but I don't know if there are any terms like this)
[19:24] <lordcirth> deanc, like, the tab would show up as "bash (3)" if the bell had rung 3 times since you selected the tab?
[19:24] <sarnold> indeed that sounds like it'd be nice
[19:25] <mgedmin> konsole had similar features (change tab color when new output showed up etc), but I don't know if it can count bells
[19:25] <lordcirth> deanc, I would say pick your favorite terminal, and make a feature request :)
[19:25] <deanc> lordcirth: yes but on the dock it shows you the number of times the bell has sounded
[19:25] <deanc> lordcirth: I use it primarily for knowing how many pms i have without having to focus the terminal :)
[19:25] <lordcirth> Ah, for IRC?
[19:26] <deanc> yeah, but anything, some long running processes might sound a bell on complete too
[19:26] <coz_> can't that be partially set in bash_profile
[19:26] <deanc> I don't always have my headphones plugged in :)
[19:26] <deanc> iterm2 not only does a growl notification but has the notification (bell) count
[19:33] <deanc> Guess that's a no then! :)
[20:24] <tokumada> I'm trying to make an SSH private key as an environment variable available to a process (jenkins) on startup in ubuntu 18.04. How should I go about doing that?
[20:25] <lordcirth> tokumada, how are you starting jenkins?
[20:25] <lordcirth> And does it take a filename, or the literal key?
[20:26] <tokumada> lordcirth, systemctl start jenkins. It's enabled on default. It will take the literal key.
[20:27] <tokumada> Jenkins is reading a script that expects the environment variable $SSH_KEY to be set.
[20:29] <lordcirth> tokumada, you should be able to do 'systemctl edit jenkins'
[20:29] <lordcirth> Then, under [Service] you can insert 'EnvironmentFile=/etc/my_service/my_service.conf'
[20:30] <lordcirth> Then you can set the permissions on this conf file to only allow root to read it.
[20:30] <lordcirth> Format here: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html#EnvironmentFile=
[20:31] <jpmh> when I boot my server there is a THREE minute delay for random, dmesg shows: [   16.798244] random: 7 urandom warning(s) missed due to ratelimiting - and then the next entry is at 199 - how do I stop this delay?
[20:32] <lordcirth> jpmh, is this a physical server or VM? What Ubuntu version?
[20:32] <jpmh> lordcirth_: 18.4 and yes a cloud server
[20:33] <lordcirth> jpmh, what hypervisor or cloud host service?
[20:34] <jpmh> lordcirth_: ramnode
[20:34] <jpmh> lordcirth_: I'm very happy with ramnode - been with them for years on their older VPS systems - and this new stuff is GREAT and at $3 / month tough to beat
[20:35] <lordcirth> jpmh, ok. Try 'apt install haveged' and reboot.
[20:36] <jpmh> lordcirth_: - ty - will read up on what that is and try - will report back
[20:40] <jpmh> lordcirth_: BRILLIANT! - TY - now I just need to read up and see if there are any negatives in husing havged - TY SO MUCH!
[20:40] <lordcirth> jpmh, np
[20:47] <virmaha> Hello. I am trying to generate an executable using toolchain which lives in a different folder. But I get ../some/path/bin/ld: cannot find Scrt1.o: No such file or directory
[20:47] <virmaha> How do i debug this? Tried using LD_DEBUG=libs, -Wl,--verbose but don't find anything interesting. I am using sysroot btw
[20:48] <virmaha> and scrt1.o is present at sysroot/path/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[20:52] <brohb> hi, I'm looking into linux options for embedded devices, such as routers and similar
[20:53] <brohb> I just saw that ubuntu has some kind of version specifically for embedded devices, I suppose somewhat similar to a live distro
[20:53] <brohb> unmutable on reboot
[20:53] <brohb> can anyone give me some directions, how to I get this distro, is it mature yet?
[20:55] <brohb> I guess this is the ubuntu for IoT
[20:58] <akemhp> virmaha, You should rather ask in a dev oriented channel.
[20:58] <virmaha> thanks akemhp
[21:00] <akemhp> virmaha, I would try to force scrt1.o linking manually by adding it to the LD_FLAGS+=-l/path/to/scrt1.o or something like that.
[21:01] <Furai> Is ubuntu toolchain ppa up to date?
[21:09] <virmaha> akemhp : I gave path to it in -L and i believe that should be enough
[21:27] <luiserebii>    /msg NickServ VERIFY EMAILCHG Luiserebii 593364866
[21:34] <gambl0re> what does ctrl alt f8 do?
[21:34] <gambl0re> what is supposed to do?
[21:37] <humpled> blank screen with flashing unresponsive text cursor?
[21:38] <kevin110543> Hello everybody
[21:39] <humpled> hi kevin110543, let's hope 1155 people don't reply
[21:40] <kevin110543> haha sorry, im new to IRC. Is this like some sort of ubuntu support page?
[21:41] <OerHeks> that is what the /topic says
[21:42] <humpled> it's community support, so equal parts of enthusiasm, wisdom and sarcasm
[21:42] <kevin110543> Oh I see. is there some sort of IRC channel that deals with running servers, specifically on raspberry pi's?
[21:42] <gambl0re> humpled, what is that?
[21:42] <OerHeks> #ubuntu-server
[21:42] <kevin110543> Thanks!
[21:42] <gambl0re> does it ctrl alt f8 have any purpose besides showing a a blinking cursor?
[21:43] <OerHeks> nothing, TTY is from 1-7
[21:44] <takashi> hi...what's the difference between Python virtual environment and pipenv ?
[21:45] <takashi> I have a project that uses pipenv, but I have a tutorial that uses virtual environment
[21:45] <takashi> wondering if it's possible to change a shell script in the tutorial to use pipenv instead of virtual environment
[21:46] <takashi> I'm quite a noob btw...so maybe my q is trivial
[21:46] <kevin110543> well ubuntu-server seems pretty dry. Do any of you guys/gals have any experience with raspberry pi?
[21:47] <luiserebii> I've done some things with raspberry pis before
[21:49] <humpled> there's #raspbian, probably also relatively quiet
[21:50] <humpled> in some of these channels you will get a good answer to a well posed question, though it might take longer, there'll be less noise
[21:50] <humpled> there's a busy #python channel takashi
[21:50] <OerHeks> ask your real question and find out?
[21:51] <kevin110543> What I want to accomplish is to have a pi zero with wifi adapter, hooked up to a power supply, that broadcasts its own LAN. Once the LAN is up, Id like to be able to connect to it with several windows pc's and access a shared file folder. Im a computer programming student and id like to share .java files with classmates without using google docs or any sort of cloud based file sharing service
[21:53] <humpled> sounds doable
[21:53] <Betal> kevin110543: can't you just share from ubuntu using samba?
[21:53] <OerHeks> setup nextcloud on that pi
[21:53] <OerHeks> https://nextcloud.com/box/
[21:54] <kevin110543> what is samba? And how hard is it to make it so that the both the LAN and the fileserver start on startup?
[21:57] <OerHeks> !samba
[21:58] <humpled> as for managing services, that's what linux does, generally
[21:58] <humpled> how will you interact with the pi tho?
[21:59] <kevin110543> Id assume that id be able to ssh to it, not?
[21:59] <humpled> oh yes
[21:59] <OerHeks> nextcloud gives a web inlog
[22:00] <humpled> so nextcloud is a package making it easy to install and manage all these services in one go?
[22:01] <OerHeks> filesharing, sure
[22:01] <kevin110543> Ok, ill look into nextcloud and samba. In your guys's opinions, which is easier/faster to setup?
[22:02] <OerHeks> or you could go the manual way, ubuntu server + https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[22:03] <humpled> we haven't touched whether there is a lan already available and whether it will allow services to be forwarded
[22:04] <humpled> setting up dhcp-server and hoping your wifi card is up to the task
[22:06] <kevin110543> so is there some apt package that allows me to host a LAN? Almost like a mobile hotspot or a router with no internet?
[22:08] <kevin110543> I have to do homework so ill have to push the project on to tomorrow. Thanks for the help guys!
[22:55] <molt> Hey everyone! How would I add a logoff sound in Ubuntu 18.04?
[22:57] <Gusj> Hello there, My Toshiba Laptop with Lubuntu does not recognize keyboard and trackpad, dmesg lists both devices booting up but also says this after: '4.564143] i8042: Can't reactivate AUX port'  Does someone know how to force it to activate?
[23:14] <bigode> Hello. Could someone point me to the direction of Visual Studio Code install on Ubuntu please?
[23:15] <tomreyn> try a web search for: ubuntu visual studio code
[23:15] <tomreyn> you'd want the .deb or snap
[23:15] <bigode> tomreyn: I did. I found several tutorials but I like somethink safe because I am just a neubie
[23:16] <tomreyn> weird, for me this was the first link https://code.visualstudio.com/download
[23:16] <tomreyn> and this wa sthe second https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/linux
[23:16] <bigode> Yes, I can download easily, but then what should I do?
[23:16] <tomreyn> you should prefer setting up the apt repository over installing the .deb
[23:16] <bigode> Alright. Thank you tomreyn ! :*
[23:17] <tomreyn> bigode: ah actually the .deb is the easiest i just learnt
[23:17] <bigode> tomreyn: Ok
[23:19] <tomreyn> so download the .deb, then double-click it on your fole browser, which shoudld offer installing ist. if it doesn't, open a terminal and "cd" into the directory the downloaded file is in. then run    sudo apt install ./code_*.deb
[23:20] <tomreyn> * fIle browser
[23:29] <tomreyn> bigode: note that, just to complete this, vscode is not part of ubuntu and thus not really supported here, though
[23:31] <tomreyn> Gusj: please report a bug if you haven't. there are some possible workarounds discussed in this bug similar againsr Fedora: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1436636
[23:35] <tomreyn> Gusj: please don't cross post (#xubuntu), thanks.
[23:48] <giaco> hello! I'm looking for an extensible service to ping my machines and http request my servers that I can deploy locally
[23:49] <sarnold> nagios3 and icinga and so on aren't a terrible starting point
[23:50] <sarnold> well, they are, but I'm not sure what else to recommend
[23:51] <giaco> sarnold: thanks