bdxwell that was a journey ... finally got my web irc back up01:32
bdxupdated thelounge snap and charm along the way in case anyone is interested https://snapcraft.io/theloungeirc & https://jaas.ai/u/omnivector/thelounge01:33
timClicks_thumper: I've been thinking a little bit about the pinned repositories feature that is presented at https://github.com/juju03:11
timClicks_imo we should only have github.com/juju/juju there.. and provide some sort of index in our documentation that explains the rest03:11
timClicks_there's also an email address listed that's out of date: juju-dev@lists.ubuntu.com03:13
timClicks_I would also like to create a juju-quickstart repo that contains working tutorials03:14
bdx+1 ^^^03:19
thumpertimClicks_: unless we pin some of the more reusable repos there:03:38
thumpertimClicks_: quick start repo sounds good too, what format were you thinking for tutorials?03:39
timClicks_those repos are also good candidates03:40
timClicks_ideally, we would have something like a series of Jupyter notebooks..03:40
hpidcocktimClicks_: other things of note, the https://github.com/juju page doesn't link to jaas.ai || discourse.jujucharms.com or even have a description03:44
hpidcockalso the  "juju" text in the logo is superfluous, I think the normal logo would work better03:45
wallyworldthumper: small PR to adjust action tags to numbers https://github.com/juju/names/pull/9803:52
thumperwallyworld: looks like we can blame andrew two years ago03:53
thumperno idea why we hadn't caught this earlier03:53
thumpernor why it isn't a problem in more places03:54
thumperI feel like I'm missing something03:54
thumperbut I don't know what03:54
thumperI can see where we go from a dict with ID keys03:54
thumperto a slice of slices03:54
thumperand it is iterating randomly over the dict03:54
thumperbut I can't see why this isn't causing more problems03:55
* thumper has a thought03:55
* thumper checks code some more03:55
AvondZoncan anyone point me to the anbox-cloud bundle?04:23
wallyworldbabbageclunk: sice thumper sucks https://github.com/juju/names/pull/9804:56
babbageclunkwallyworld: looks super-delish05:08
wallyworldbabbageclunk: \o/ ty05:13
* thumper is writing a test for equality...05:57
thumperI think I worked it out06:00
thumperwe are losing the space ID06:00
thumpernever matches06:00
manadartthumper: Probably me. What's up?06:35
thumpermanadart: otp, chat later06:35
manadartAnyone for a simple review? Just a dep update: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/1067106:35
hpidcockmanadart: done07:05
manadarthpidcock: Ta.07:08
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nammn_dewhere do we save the charm archive again?08:29
stickupkidmanadart, CR these changes https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/1066210:20
stickupkidthis seems to be failing a lot atm "TestCreateVirtualMachineRootDiskSize"10:21
stickupkidi'm having a look10:21
stickupkidintermittent  failure running - go test -v ./provider/vsphere/internal/vsphereclient/... -check.v -check.f=clientSuite.TestCreateVirtualMachineRootDiskSize -count=10010:25
manadartstickupkid: OTP. Will look in a mo'10:37
stickupkidmanadart, ta buddy10:37
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nammn_deAny fast way to get the charm version of a charm (beside mongo db shell)?11:52
venturaI live in Brazil and Canonial Juju is a completely unknown by DevOps and developers here12:04
venturaI am new to DevOps, so I would like to know if someone may help me to identify12:04
AvondZoncan anyone point me to the anbox-cloud bundle?12:05
ventura1. What is the product niche (if compared to Ansible, Chef, Circle CI, Puppet, Terraform)12:05
ventura2. What is it main competitor?12:05
zeestratHey ventura, recommend checking out the forums discourse.jujucharms.com which answers some of your questions.12:12
rick_hAvondZon:  hmmm, not showing up in the charmstore. Have to check with morphis12:43
rick_hventura:  howdy, so our main niche is operating complex software over time. e.g. we really take seriously longer term operations, upgrade strategies, etc.12:44
rick_hventura:  I think as far as competitors it's kind of a lot. Folks not using Juju are generally stitching together their own chain of tools, processes, etc.12:44
rick_hmorphis:  AvondZon was asking about getting pointed to the "anbox-cloud bundle"12:45
venturazeestrat: thx, i am gonna read it right now12:48
venturarick_h: that the point i was arguing with my manager and CTO12:49
morphisAvondZon: I guess you read https://ubuntu.com/blog/running-android-in-the-cloud-with-amazon-ec2-a1-instances, if there is interest please reach out through the linked contact form12:49
venturathey hired a company the is writing its own solution of creating scripts for managing/creating/etc containers over terraform12:50
venturathe idea was having several scripts to fastly create a distributed cloud platform12:50
venturaand (of course) publish as an OSS solution to the world12:51
venturawhen i saw the presentation i said "hey, have you met juju?"12:51
venturarick_h: you mentioned " I think as far as competitors it's kind of a lot. Folks not using Juju are generally stitching together their own chain of tools, processes, etc."13:12
venturaI far as I understood, Juju is more like a admin/script anobolic solution we can use over standard cloud technologies ( Ansible, Chef, Circle CI, Docker, Kubernetes, Puppet, Terraform, etc)13:14
venturaSeveral years ago I worked creating IBM Linux VM from scratch using shell-script and Python.13:15
venturaMaybe I am really charmed by Juju due my previous mindset13:16
rick_hventura:  sec, on the phone so slow to respond13:16
venturarick_h: take your time :-)13:17
AvondZonmorphis: yes saw the vid on juju discourse. Thank you (& rick_h), will do.13:22
rick_hventura:  so the charms are like the scripts and I would compare to things like k8s operators or some newer ideas in ansible to have more complex sets of scripts for things13:59
rick_hventura:  but the idea around juju of modeling things at a higher level, really getting away from anything that requires getting into the details of network addresses, etc is the key to juju14:00
nammn_destickupkid: you mind taking a look at that pr? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/1067314:01
venturarick_h: that is one of the reasons why the contract we hired was justifying to write a new whole devops framework14:04
ventura"but the idea around juju of modeling things at a higher level, really getting away from anything that requires getting into the details of network addresses, etc is the key to juju"14:05
MudchainsHi all, i am trying to deploy a "Charmed Distr. of kubernetes" by conjure-up @ deploying to a onpremise vsphere enviroment. Even when I enter the ipadres I am getting ([Errno -2] Name or service not known). Ipadres and DNS of vCenter is reachable..anyone a clue?14:32
MudchainsOk, I added https:// to the hostname/ip. When I enter it without https its working.14:50
stickupkidMudchains, seems like a bug, as we should at least have a better error message14:56
Mudchainsstickupkid yes, that would saved me alot of time haha :D14:59
stickupkidMudchains, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bugs15:00
Mudchainsstickupkid i will make a report later :)  thanks  for the link (dont have a ubunut one account etc, and worktime is over)15:10
nammn_destickupkid: thanks for the review and patch! Just regarding the added line "test_local_charms", where does bash take this function from? https://github.com/nammn/juju/blob/b56727e88030282bdc15a5602abe8d259dba69c9/tests/suites/cli/task.sh#L1315:26
stickupkidnammn_de, https://github.com/nammn/juju/blob/b56727e88030282bdc15a5602abe8d259dba69c9/tests/suites/cli/use_local_charm.sh#L6315:26
nammn_destickupkid: ah nvm the patch didnt change the name, i changed it again and then i thought maybe i was wrong and reverted that :D15:27
stickupkidnammn_de, approved15:30
nammn_destickupkid: 🦸15:30
stickupkidnammn_de, CR please https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/1067515:39
achilleasastickupkid: is it legal to include a dummy txn.Op in a transaction that only asserts something?16:32
stickupkidachilleasa, yeah16:32
stickupkidachilleasa, like, docMissing etc16:33
achilleasastickupkid: I think I am doing something wrong with the ids because I get a excessive contention error16:33
stickupkidlinky dink?16:33
achilleasastickupkid: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/D3DNqzYCwk/16:35
achilleasastickupkid: ahhh crap... field has no hyphen16:36
pmatuliscan one start a machine that is in the 'down' state?21:05
rick_hpmatulis:  so down just means the agent isn't running so it might be that you can ssh to the machine and start the jujud21:11
rick_hpmatulis:  or if the machine is off, then no, you'd need to turn it on from the cloud21:11
pmatulisrick_h, thank you21:11
rick_hpmatulis:  saw your storage issue. I've not had a chance to look into it yet. Did you say that it "works" under 2.6?21:12
rick_hpmatulis:  or just didn't work when testing 2.7 and not sure if it ever did but thought it should?21:12
rick_htimClicks:  if you have time wanted to see if you were up to chat juju show for next week maybe21:13
pmatulisrick_h, just 2.6.9.  it was the first time trying with 2.7. i just assumed it would work21:13
rick_hpmatulis:  it does work with 2.6.9?21:13
pmatulisrick_h, correct21:14
rick_hpmatulis:  ok cool, did you file a bug? /me dbl checks21:14
pmatulisrick_h, no. i thought it may have been expected at this time21:14
pmatulishence my question on irc21:14
rick_hpmatulis:  no, a storage change like that sounds like a regression (though we've not hacked on storage so not sure why...) we need to look into before 2.7 beta21:14
pmatulisrick_h, ok, i will file21:15
rick_hpmatulis:  ty!21:15

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