[01:32] <bdx> well that was a journey ... finally got my web irc back up
[01:33] <bdx> updated thelounge snap and charm along the way in case anyone is interested https://snapcraft.io/theloungeirc & https://jaas.ai/u/omnivector/thelounge
[03:11] <timClicks_> thumper: I've been thinking a little bit about the pinned repositories feature that is presented at https://github.com/juju
[03:11] <timClicks_> imo we should only have github.com/juju/juju there.. and provide some sort of index in our documentation that explains the rest
[03:13] <timClicks_> there's also an email address listed that's out of date: juju-dev@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:14] <timClicks_> I would also like to create a juju-quickstart repo that contains working tutorials
[03:19] <bdx> +1 ^^^
[03:38] <thumper> timClicks_: unless we pin some of the more reusable repos there:
[03:38] <thumper> juju/errors
[03:38] <thumper> juju/ansiterm
[03:39] <thumper> juju/loggo
[03:39] <thumper> juju/schema
[03:39] <thumper> timClicks_: quick start repo sounds good too, what format were you thinking for tutorials?
[03:40] <timClicks_> those repos are also good candidates
[03:40] <timClicks_> ideally, we would have something like a series of Jupyter notebooks..
[03:44] <hpidcock> timClicks_: other things of note, the https://github.com/juju page doesn't link to jaas.ai || discourse.jujucharms.com or even have a description
[03:45] <hpidcock> also the  "juju" text in the logo is superfluous, I think the normal logo would work better
[03:52] <wallyworld> thumper: small PR to adjust action tags to numbers https://github.com/juju/names/pull/98
[03:53] <thumper> wallyworld: looks like we can blame andrew two years ago
[03:53] <thumper> no idea why we hadn't caught this earlier
[03:54] <thumper> nor why it isn't a problem in more places
[03:54] <thumper> I feel like I'm missing something
[03:54] <thumper> but I don't know what
[03:54] <thumper> I can see where we go from a dict with ID keys
[03:54] <thumper> to a slice of slices
[03:54] <thumper> and it is iterating randomly over the dict
[03:55] <thumper> but I can't see why this isn't causing more problems
[03:55] <wallyworld> hmmmm
[03:55]  * thumper has a thought
[03:55]  * thumper checks code some more
[04:23] <AvondZon> can anyone point me to the anbox-cloud bundle?
[04:56] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: sice thumper sucks https://github.com/juju/names/pull/98
[05:08] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: looks super-delish
[05:13] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: \o/ ty
[05:57]  * thumper is writing a test for equality...
[06:00] <thumper> I think I worked it out
[06:00] <thumper> we are losing the space ID
[06:00] <thumper> never matches
[06:35] <manadart> thumper: Probably me. What's up?
[06:35] <thumper> manadart: otp, chat later
[06:35] <manadart> Anyone for a simple review? Just a dep update: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10671
[07:05] <hpidcock> manadart: done
[07:08] <manadart> hpidcock: Ta.
[08:29] <nammn_de> where do we save the charm archive again?
[10:20] <stickupkid> manadart, CR these changes https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10662
[10:21] <stickupkid> this seems to be failing a lot atm "TestCreateVirtualMachineRootDiskSize"
[10:21] <stickupkid> i'm having a look
[10:25] <stickupkid> intermittent  failure running - go test -v ./provider/vsphere/internal/vsphereclient/... -check.v -check.f=clientSuite.TestCreateVirtualMachineRootDiskSize -count=100
[10:37] <manadart> stickupkid: OTP. Will look in a mo'
[10:37] <stickupkid> manadart, ta buddy
[11:52] <nammn_de> Any fast way to get the charm version of a charm (beside mongo db shell)?
[12:04] <ventura> I live in Brazil and Canonial Juju is a completely unknown by DevOps and developers here
[12:04] <ventura> I am new to DevOps, so I would like to know if someone may help me to identify
[12:05] <AvondZon> can anyone point me to the anbox-cloud bundle?
[12:05] <ventura> 1. What is the product niche (if compared to Ansible, Chef, Circle CI, Puppet, Terraform)
[12:05] <ventura> 2. What is it main competitor?
[12:12] <zeestrat> Hey ventura, recommend checking out the forums discourse.jujucharms.com which answers some of your questions.
[12:43] <rick_h> AvondZon:  hmmm, not showing up in the charmstore. Have to check with morphis
[12:44] <rick_h> ventura:  howdy, so our main niche is operating complex software over time. e.g. we really take seriously longer term operations, upgrade strategies, etc.
[12:44] <rick_h> ventura:  I think as far as competitors it's kind of a lot. Folks not using Juju are generally stitching together their own chain of tools, processes, etc.
[12:45] <rick_h> morphis:  AvondZon was asking about getting pointed to the "anbox-cloud bundle"
[12:48] <ventura> zeestrat: thx, i am gonna read it right now
[12:49] <ventura> rick_h: that the point i was arguing with my manager and CTO
[12:49] <morphis> AvondZon: I guess you read https://ubuntu.com/blog/running-android-in-the-cloud-with-amazon-ec2-a1-instances, if there is interest please reach out through the linked contact form
[12:50] <ventura> they hired a company the is writing its own solution of creating scripts for managing/creating/etc containers over terraform
[12:50] <ventura> the idea was having several scripts to fastly create a distributed cloud platform
[12:51] <ventura> and (of course) publish as an OSS solution to the world
[12:51] <ventura> when i saw the presentation i said "hey, have you met juju?"
[13:12] <ventura> rick_h: you mentioned " I think as far as competitors it's kind of a lot. Folks not using Juju are generally stitching together their own chain of tools, processes, etc."
[13:14] <ventura> I far as I understood, Juju is more like a admin/script anobolic solution we can use over standard cloud technologies ( Ansible, Chef, Circle CI, Docker, Kubernetes, Puppet, Terraform, etc)
[13:15] <ventura> Several years ago I worked creating IBM Linux VM from scratch using shell-script and Python.
[13:16] <ventura> Maybe I am really charmed by Juju due my previous mindset
[13:16] <rick_h> ventura:  sec, on the phone so slow to respond
[13:17] <ventura> rick_h: take your time :-)
[13:22] <AvondZon> morphis: yes saw the vid on juju discourse. Thank you (& rick_h), will do.
[13:59] <rick_h> ventura:  so the charms are like the scripts and I would compare to things like k8s operators or some newer ideas in ansible to have more complex sets of scripts for things
[14:00] <rick_h> ventura:  but the idea around juju of modeling things at a higher level, really getting away from anything that requires getting into the details of network addresses, etc is the key to juju
[14:01] <nammn_de> stickupkid: you mind taking a look at that pr? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10673
[14:01] <stickupkid> sure
[14:04] <ventura> rick_h: that is one of the reasons why the contract we hired was justifying to write a new whole devops framework
[14:05] <ventura> "but the idea around juju of modeling things at a higher level, really getting away from anything that requires getting into the details of network addresses, etc is the key to juju"
[14:32] <Mudchains> Hi all, i am trying to deploy a "Charmed Distr. of kubernetes" by conjure-up @ deploying to a onpremise vsphere enviroment. Even when I enter the ipadres I am getting ([Errno -2] Name or service not known). Ipadres and DNS of vCenter is reachable..anyone a clue?
[14:50] <Mudchains> Ok, I added https:// to the hostname/ip. When I enter it without https its working.
[14:56] <stickupkid> Mudchains, seems like a bug, as we should at least have a better error message
[14:59] <Mudchains> stickupkid yes, that would saved me alot of time haha :D
[15:00] <stickupkid> Mudchains, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bugs
[15:10] <Mudchains> stickupkid i will make a report later :)  thanks  for the link (dont have a ubunut one account etc, and worktime is over)
[15:26] <nammn_de> stickupkid: thanks for the review and patch! Just regarding the added line "test_local_charms", where does bash take this function from? https://github.com/nammn/juju/blob/b56727e88030282bdc15a5602abe8d259dba69c9/tests/suites/cli/task.sh#L13
[15:26] <stickupkid> nammn_de, https://github.com/nammn/juju/blob/b56727e88030282bdc15a5602abe8d259dba69c9/tests/suites/cli/use_local_charm.sh#L63
[15:27] <nammn_de> stickupkid: ah nvm the patch didnt change the name, i changed it again and then i thought maybe i was wrong and reverted that :D
[15:30] <stickupkid> nammn_de, approved
[15:30] <nammn_de> stickupkid: 🦸
[15:39] <stickupkid> nammn_de, CR please https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10675
[16:32] <achilleasa> stickupkid: is it legal to include a dummy txn.Op in a transaction that only asserts something?
[16:32] <stickupkid> achilleasa, yeah
[16:33] <stickupkid> achilleasa, like, docMissing etc
[16:33] <achilleasa> stickupkid: I think I am doing something wrong with the ids because I get a excessive contention error
[16:33] <stickupkid> linky dink?
[16:35] <achilleasa> stickupkid: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/D3DNqzYCwk/
[16:36] <achilleasa> stickupkid: ahhh crap... field has no hyphen
[16:36] <stickupkid> d'ho
[21:05] <pmatulis> can one start a machine that is in the 'down' state?
[21:11] <rick_h> pmatulis:  so down just means the agent isn't running so it might be that you can ssh to the machine and start the jujud
[21:11] <rick_h> pmatulis:  or if the machine is off, then no, you'd need to turn it on from the cloud
[21:11] <pmatulis> rick_h, thank you
[21:12] <rick_h> pmatulis:  saw your storage issue. I've not had a chance to look into it yet. Did you say that it "works" under 2.6?
[21:12] <rick_h> pmatulis:  or just didn't work when testing 2.7 and not sure if it ever did but thought it should?
[21:13] <rick_h> timClicks:  if you have time wanted to see if you were up to chat juju show for next week maybe
[21:13] <pmatulis> rick_h, just 2.6.9.  it was the first time trying with 2.7. i just assumed it would work
[21:13] <rick_h> pmatulis:  it does work with 2.6.9?
[21:14] <pmatulis> rick_h, correct
[21:14] <rick_h> pmatulis:  ok cool, did you file a bug? /me dbl checks
[21:14] <pmatulis> rick_h, no. i thought it may have been expected at this time
[21:14] <pmatulis> hence my question on irc
[21:14] <rick_h> pmatulis:  no, a storage change like that sounds like a regression (though we've not hacked on storage so not sure why...) we need to look into before 2.7 beta
[21:15] <pmatulis> rick_h, ok, i will file
[21:15] <rick_h> pmatulis:  ty!