[01:32] well that was a journey ... finally got my web irc back up [01:33] updated thelounge snap and charm along the way in case anyone is interested https://snapcraft.io/theloungeirc & https://jaas.ai/u/omnivector/thelounge [03:11] thumper: I've been thinking a little bit about the pinned repositories feature that is presented at https://github.com/juju [03:11] imo we should only have github.com/juju/juju there.. and provide some sort of index in our documentation that explains the rest [03:13] there's also an email address listed that's out of date: juju-dev@lists.ubuntu.com [03:14] I would also like to create a juju-quickstart repo that contains working tutorials [03:19] +1 ^^^ [03:38] timClicks_: unless we pin some of the more reusable repos there: [03:38] juju/errors [03:38] juju/ansiterm [03:39] juju/loggo [03:39] juju/schema [03:39] timClicks_: quick start repo sounds good too, what format were you thinking for tutorials? [03:40] those repos are also good candidates [03:40] ideally, we would have something like a series of Jupyter notebooks.. [03:44] timClicks_: other things of note, the https://github.com/juju page doesn't link to jaas.ai || discourse.jujucharms.com or even have a description [03:45] also the "juju" text in the logo is superfluous, I think the normal logo would work better [03:52] thumper: small PR to adjust action tags to numbers https://github.com/juju/names/pull/98 [03:53] wallyworld: looks like we can blame andrew two years ago [03:53] no idea why we hadn't caught this earlier [03:54] nor why it isn't a problem in more places [03:54] I feel like I'm missing something [03:54] but I don't know what [03:54] I can see where we go from a dict with ID keys [03:54] to a slice of slices [03:54] and it is iterating randomly over the dict [03:55] but I can't see why this isn't causing more problems [03:55] hmmmm [03:55] * thumper has a thought [03:55] * thumper checks code some more [04:23] can anyone point me to the anbox-cloud bundle? [04:56] babbageclunk: sice thumper sucks https://github.com/juju/names/pull/98 [05:08] wallyworld: looks super-delish [05:13] babbageclunk: \o/ ty [05:57] * thumper is writing a test for equality... [06:00] I think I worked it out [06:00] we are losing the space ID [06:00] never matches [06:35] thumper: Probably me. What's up? [06:35] manadart: otp, chat later [06:35] Anyone for a simple review? Just a dep update: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10671 [07:05] manadart: done [07:08] hpidcock: Ta. === fenris is now known as Guest74057 [08:29] where do we save the charm archive again? [10:20] manadart, CR these changes https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10662 [10:21] this seems to be failing a lot atm "TestCreateVirtualMachineRootDiskSize" [10:21] i'm having a look [10:25] intermittent failure running - go test -v ./provider/vsphere/internal/vsphereclient/... -check.v -check.f=clientSuite.TestCreateVirtualMachineRootDiskSize -count=100 [10:37] stickupkid: OTP. Will look in a mo' [10:37] manadart, ta buddy === pal__ is now known as parlos [11:52] Any fast way to get the charm version of a charm (beside mongo db shell)? [12:04] I live in Brazil and Canonial Juju is a completely unknown by DevOps and developers here [12:04] I am new to DevOps, so I would like to know if someone may help me to identify [12:05] can anyone point me to the anbox-cloud bundle? [12:05] 1. What is the product niche (if compared to Ansible, Chef, Circle CI, Puppet, Terraform) [12:05] 2. What is it main competitor? [12:12] Hey ventura, recommend checking out the forums discourse.jujucharms.com which answers some of your questions. [12:43] AvondZon: hmmm, not showing up in the charmstore. Have to check with morphis [12:44] ventura: howdy, so our main niche is operating complex software over time. e.g. we really take seriously longer term operations, upgrade strategies, etc. [12:44] ventura: I think as far as competitors it's kind of a lot. Folks not using Juju are generally stitching together their own chain of tools, processes, etc. [12:45] morphis: AvondZon was asking about getting pointed to the "anbox-cloud bundle" [12:48] zeestrat: thx, i am gonna read it right now [12:49] rick_h: that the point i was arguing with my manager and CTO [12:49] AvondZon: I guess you read https://ubuntu.com/blog/running-android-in-the-cloud-with-amazon-ec2-a1-instances, if there is interest please reach out through the linked contact form [12:50] they hired a company the is writing its own solution of creating scripts for managing/creating/etc containers over terraform [12:50] the idea was having several scripts to fastly create a distributed cloud platform [12:51] and (of course) publish as an OSS solution to the world [12:51] when i saw the presentation i said "hey, have you met juju?" [13:12] rick_h: you mentioned " I think as far as competitors it's kind of a lot. Folks not using Juju are generally stitching together their own chain of tools, processes, etc." [13:14] I far as I understood, Juju is more like a admin/script anobolic solution we can use over standard cloud technologies ( Ansible, Chef, Circle CI, Docker, Kubernetes, Puppet, Terraform, etc) [13:15] Several years ago I worked creating IBM Linux VM from scratch using shell-script and Python. [13:16] Maybe I am really charmed by Juju due my previous mindset [13:16] ventura: sec, on the phone so slow to respond [13:17] rick_h: take your time :-) [13:22] morphis: yes saw the vid on juju discourse. Thank you (& rick_h), will do. [13:59] ventura: so the charms are like the scripts and I would compare to things like k8s operators or some newer ideas in ansible to have more complex sets of scripts for things [14:00] ventura: but the idea around juju of modeling things at a higher level, really getting away from anything that requires getting into the details of network addresses, etc is the key to juju [14:01] stickupkid: you mind taking a look at that pr? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10673 [14:01] sure [14:04] rick_h: that is one of the reasons why the contract we hired was justifying to write a new whole devops framework [14:05] "but the idea around juju of modeling things at a higher level, really getting away from anything that requires getting into the details of network addresses, etc is the key to juju" [14:32] Hi all, i am trying to deploy a "Charmed Distr. of kubernetes" by conjure-up @ deploying to a onpremise vsphere enviroment. Even when I enter the ipadres I am getting ([Errno -2] Name or service not known). Ipadres and DNS of vCenter is reachable..anyone a clue? [14:50] Ok, I added https:// to the hostname/ip. When I enter it without https its working. [14:56] Mudchains, seems like a bug, as we should at least have a better error message [14:59] stickupkid yes, that would saved me alot of time haha :D [15:00] Mudchains, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bugs [15:10] stickupkid i will make a report later :) thanks for the link (dont have a ubunut one account etc, and worktime is over) [15:26] stickupkid: thanks for the review and patch! Just regarding the added line "test_local_charms", where does bash take this function from? https://github.com/nammn/juju/blob/b56727e88030282bdc15a5602abe8d259dba69c9/tests/suites/cli/task.sh#L13 [15:26] nammn_de, https://github.com/nammn/juju/blob/b56727e88030282bdc15a5602abe8d259dba69c9/tests/suites/cli/use_local_charm.sh#L63 [15:27] stickupkid: ah nvm the patch didnt change the name, i changed it again and then i thought maybe i was wrong and reverted that :D [15:30] nammn_de, approved [15:30] stickupkid: 🦸 [15:39] nammn_de, CR please https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10675 [16:32] stickupkid: is it legal to include a dummy txn.Op in a transaction that only asserts something? [16:32] achilleasa, yeah [16:33] achilleasa, like, docMissing etc [16:33] stickupkid: I think I am doing something wrong with the ids because I get a excessive contention error [16:33] linky dink? [16:35] stickupkid: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/D3DNqzYCwk/ [16:36] stickupkid: ahhh crap... field has no hyphen [16:36] d'ho [21:05] can one start a machine that is in the 'down' state? [21:11] pmatulis: so down just means the agent isn't running so it might be that you can ssh to the machine and start the jujud [21:11] pmatulis: or if the machine is off, then no, you'd need to turn it on from the cloud [21:11] rick_h, thank you [21:12] pmatulis: saw your storage issue. I've not had a chance to look into it yet. Did you say that it "works" under 2.6? [21:12] pmatulis: or just didn't work when testing 2.7 and not sure if it ever did but thought it should? [21:13] timClicks: if you have time wanted to see if you were up to chat juju show for next week maybe [21:13] rick_h, just 2.6.9. it was the first time trying with 2.7. i just assumed it would work [21:13] pmatulis: it does work with 2.6.9? [21:14] rick_h, correct [21:14] pmatulis: ok cool, did you file a bug? /me dbl checks [21:14] rick_h, no. i thought it may have been expected at this time [21:14] hence my question on irc [21:14] pmatulis: no, a storage change like that sounds like a regression (though we've not hacked on storage so not sure why...) we need to look into before 2.7 beta [21:15] rick_h, ok, i will file [21:15] pmatulis: ty!