[00:03] <donofrio> best way to get xfce4 on my 19.10 install.....I recall a command besides apt-get install xfce*, but I forget
[00:04] <donofrio> unless I'm getting hardware accel in whatever default is...
[00:06] <donofrio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9Qf7NnYT7P/
[00:07] <donofrio> yah it's a cr-48 ;)
[00:43] <donofrio> tryin sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop going back to mute....
[03:20] <Fudge> has speech-dispatcher been updated in this dev cycle?
[03:21] <Fudge> speechd-up wont connect to it anymore
[05:14] <krytarik> Fudge: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/speech-dispatcher/+changelog - if that helps you any.
[05:31] <solsTiCe> hi. The other day, I upgraded my HDD USB ubuntu install to latest 19.10 beta. It was fine on my laptop. But running in my netbook, I was left with a non working touchpad. with xorg or wayland. I tried installing some libinput xorg-synpactics package to no avail. I didn't look into tha mater since. anyone got ideas on that ? a bug ? an update has been rolled out ?
[05:32] <solsTiCe> +external+ HDD
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: did you update you say? or clean installed 19.10?
[05:48] <solsTiCe> lotuspsychje: no upgraded from 19.04
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: ah, we very reccomend to clean install devel version of ubuntu until final, this way we prevent giving the developers extra work by seeking maybe bad upgrade bugs
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: im not saying this is the case for you, but why take the chance right?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: 'if' this bug is happening on a clean 19.10 iso we surely will help you find the root cause
[05:50] <solsTiCe> It was to get a sneak peek on the next ubuntu. I don't use that much that install
[05:51] <solsTiCe> well beta is for that no ? finding bug ? be it for upgraded install or not
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: i understand! its the users choice
[05:52] <solsTiCe> if you kill your system by upgrading, the beta users are there to let you know
[05:52] <solsTiCe> right ?
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: i agree the upgrade process might also need bugged out, but as a devel/beta tester you should also compare the clean way too, hence trying a clean daily
[05:53] <solsTiCe> ooo kay
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> solsTiCe: the last thing we want, is creating a new !bug with a chance its caused by an error from 19.04
[05:55] <solsTiCe> it wasn't an old 19.04 install. last month may be
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> yeah i didnt say this was your case, just perhaps test a real quicky live usb 19.10 to see if your touchpad scrambles?
[07:59] <Fudge> krytarik:  thanks for that, ill poke the maintainer
[08:43] <solsTiCe> lotuspsychje: the live cd is fine. touchpad is working and wifi too.
[08:44] <solsTiCe> I forgot to say that the upgraded install, I don't have wifi anymore also. I do'nt why it was screwed up during the upgrade.
[08:45] <solsTiCe> oh because I made the upgrade on my laptop while the install was made on the netbook ? but there are kernel wifi drivers if I am not wrong
[08:46] <solsTiCe> May I have reset some hardware cache, when I switch from laptop to netbook ?
[08:53] <solsTiCe> never mind. the HDD is dying. I got I/O error on some block and I can't boot from it for now
[09:01] <solsTiCe> I don't know HDD is still fine after all. I need to double check. By changing of USB port, it boots fine. I got a working touchpad in gdm, but after that ....
[09:03] <solsTiCe> and wifi is fine. at least the interface is up
[09:07] <solsTiCe> oh f.... sorry for all that noise. the touchpad was just .. disabled ... by me. on the laptop I use a mouse and disable the touchpad. /o\ sorry
[18:32] <yerbestpal> Hi folks. I have noticed that logging into my windows 10 KVM VM on virt-manager on 19.10 causes both the guest and host system to completely freeze, requiring a hard reset. This doesn't happen on 19.04.
[18:33] <yerbestpal> Is anyone familiar with this issue?
[18:33] <lordcirth> yerbestpal, is the KVM running on the same machine?
[18:33] <yerbestpal> Yes.
[18:34] <yerbestpal> I also tried creating an entirely new VM from an ISO to make sure it wasn't something of my own doing, but once windows reached first login, the same thing happened.
[18:34] <lordcirth> yerbestpal, when you say "logging on" do you mean you can open the console, but as soon as you press Enter on a login, it freezes?
[18:35] <yerbestpal> I mean once I log into the guest. Windows boots, and once it passes the boot splash and logs in, everything freezes.
[18:35] <yerbestpal> Including the host system
[18:36] <lordcirth> Interesting
[18:36] <yerbestpal> I can confirm it happens on both ubuntu mate and xubuntu
[18:36] <lordcirth> yerbestpal, can you run a Linux guest reliably?
[18:36] <yerbestpal> Good question
[18:36] <yerbestpal> I will download an iso and report back
[18:38] <yerbestpal> I did think it pretty odd that the entire host system locks up - I can't even use ctrl-alt-f1, etc to get into a new terminal.
[18:46] <yerbestpal> Actually, I just remembered I reinstalled to 19.04 since I need access to the VM for college, so I can't actually test this.
[18:49] <yerbestpal> I did make a bug report on Launchpad though it isn't currently tied to a package.
[18:51] <lordcirth> yerbestpal, can you post the bug report URL?
[18:52] <yerbestpal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/1846281
[18:53] <lordcirth> yerbestpal, subbed, that will raise the heat a little. I notice that it got categorized, that's a start.
[18:55] <yerbestpal> lordcirth, thanks a bunch. Hopefully this gets the ball rolling.
[19:06] <yerbestpal> Does anyone here know if there is an appropriate IRC channel to discuss Snap issues?
[19:11] <tomreyn> !snap
[19:12] <tomreyn> oops, i was thinking it'd point to #snapcraft - though that's not a discussion channel
[19:12] <tomreyn> well, snap *development* discussion
[19:13] <tomreyn> yerbestpal: ^
[19:13] <yerbestpal> ahhh okay
[19:13] <yerbestpal> Hrm
[19:14] <yerbestpal> Doesn't sound too appropriate. Thanks though.