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 @Fuseteam [Yeah that one doesn't build on clickable currently, hence why i was considering …], Well the biggest problem is that it does not compile at all for now
 Plus it does not connect to Discord servers yet
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 @hacker12455 [Well the biggest problem is that it does not compile at all for now], Pretty much yeah
 Huh, I'm surprised none of the pixel devices are supported
 @Gartral [Huh, I'm surprised none of the pixel devices are supported], It is not that we do not like Pixel, we just dont have a support for Android > 7.1
 I was unaware that was a requirement
 @Flohack [It is not that we do not like Pixel, we just dont have a support for Android > 7 …], Yet
 @Gartral [I was unaware that was a requirement], As Ubuntu Touch runs a small Android container below its main parts, we are bound to the stability of its interfaces. And well, Android is everything but stable with every version... Kinda every Android is like a new product ^^
 So you dont start from 0, but from very low level
 @Flohack [As Ubuntu Touch runs a small Android container below its main parts, we are boun …], Oh trust me, I am painfully aware
 But Some people are working on 8.0/9.0 support, still we are far away from that. Most resources go now into supporting the upcoming Non-Android-devices as it will be much more efficient for a small team like us
 Fair enough
 @Flohack [But Some people are working on 8.0/9.0 support, still we are far away from that. …], This is only for the pine devices and librem5 ATM right? When they come out and are ready, theyll need to be maintained, but porting wise, will we then work on 8.0/9.0 work on porting to phones we can port to without supporting later a
[11:19] <ubptgbot> ndroid versions, or is it hush hush?
 @PhoenixLandPirate [This is only for the pine devices and librem5 ATM right? When they come out and …], First part of question: Yes. Second part I dont fully get
 @Flohack [First part of question: Yes. Second part I dont fully get], The devices are coming out before Christmas, and a lot of work has been done to make sure the OS and images are ready before the release of the devices. … My question, maybe a bit to early, but was refering to, what's the priority after those devices come out?
[11:26] <ubptgbot>  … Mostly refering to if efforts will go to helping halium work on new androids, or if the effort would be on older devices, or if we then take a break from the porting process to focus more on the core os? Etc.
 hi i am ubuntu touch user on my nexus 5 gps dont work anymore! Someone can help me?
 @PhoenixLandPirate [The devices are coming out before Christmas, and a lot of work has been done to …], Ah ok. I think the community has alraed grown enough to say that Halium is and will continue with great efforts. So while the core UT team might not focus on Android devices, there are enough people to drive this forward. Indeed we will
[11:38] <ubptgbot>  have to consider also what to do with next LTS: Either 18.04 or 20.04 are on the horizon, and that will be a lot of work
 SO you can expect a bit of everything ^^
 @Flohack [Ah ok. I think the community has alraed grown enough to say that Halium is and w …], Halium is impressive, I'm impressed by all the porting that's going on, I haven't heard much about the move to support 8.0 or 9.0 devices, but it's a strong project, so I believe in the people behind it! … Moving to the newest lts will
[11:50] <ubptgbot>  be a monumental task, I imagine it'd be 20.04 because then we won't have to worry about the upgrading again for an extra 2 years.
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 @PhoenixLandPirate [Halium is impressive, I'm impressed by all the porting that's going on, I haven' …], Yes thats why we want to aim for 20.04
 A new device for porting 😆 … https://nitter.net/thepine64/status/1172648370550136832
 @RedXXIII [A new device for porting 😆 … https://nitter.net/thepine64/status/1172648370550136 …], It works with a Linux smartphone. It's not a Linux watch.
 @pjk2012 [It works with a Linux smartphone. It's not a Linux watch.], not both? it does not have an OS?
 i doubt you can build a linux 'friendly' device with the amount of battery time that you easily wear on your wrist..
 this is one of the nice devices on which  you want to run a tiny rtos or a  barebone  application
 @Alex [hi i am ubuntu touch user on my nexus 5 gps dont work anymore! Someone can help …], Switch off screen lock temporarily  and open a maps application and let it sit for a while until it calibrates on your location, then your gps should work fine and like normal after that.
 @RedXXIII [not both? it does not have an OS?], Yes, FreeRTOS
 👍
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 @RedXXIII [not both? it does not have an OS?], we could try to bulild apps that interact, would be great since the pebble is gone
 @mateosalta [we could try to bulild apps that interact, would be great since the pebble is go …], ok =)
 Hi , is anyone builds port here?
 some people are
 Can anyone build port for me?
 not necessarily
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 porting requires having the device in question, it can take a long time to do it, and everyone here is volunteering time to work on parts of the project
 So it requires providing a device to port and enough funds to fund it for long time
 The latter is best spend on the halium project
 [Edit] So it requires providing a device to port and enough funds to fund the porting process for a long time
 [Edit] The latter of which is best spend on the halium project
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 anywhere know to how install in windows phone?
 you cannot
 ok. thanks.
 You could try and port it to any of the Android4Lumia devices
 Is it possible to port without Ubuntu
 yes. you don't need to run ubuntu to port a device
 see https://docs.halium.org/ for how to port the initial halium parts
 but you need to run sane enough Linux distro and Ubuntu is usually easiest in terms of env setup
 @dohbee [see https://docs.halium.org/ for how to port the initial halium parts], Are u an expert? Can u tell me something?
 i can tell you to read the docs :P
 i have never ported a device myself, no
 I wanted to know if I can use UserLand to unpack boot.img on android
 are the kernel/vendor trees for your device published? is it android 7.1 based?
 @Santosh [I wanted to know if I can use UserLand to unpack boot.img on android], no, just repacking existing builds won't work
 we need kernel modifications
 Can I run stream ripper on Ubuntu in userland
 Why there's no station ripper app on android. Ripping songs from shoutcast radio stream
 i don't know what that is, but it seems like you're getting off topic
 @dohbee [i don't know what that is, but it seems like you're getting off topic], Its the main reason why I start wondering about Ubuntu running on android
 UT is not ubuntu running on android. it is a different OS replacing android
 it is not traditional PC ubuntu on your phone
 we use a very small part of android to get hardware working, but it's not like running ubuntu on your PC is
 So I should go away then.  … Any idea how to rip internet radio streams
 this is not the right group to discuss that
 @dohbee [it is not traditional PC ubuntu on your phone], Almost. Until the PC version still grow and grow.
 @liberacuriser [Almost. Until the PC version still grow and grow.], ubuntu + unity8 is not UT, and that doesn't change the facts
 at the moment, ubuntu is just raw on the phones. Even without X.org commonplace no Snap support
 still take into account the android core, a different data structure (this is not ext4)
 rootfs is ext4
 i don't know what you just said, but i don't think you understand
 ext4 is definitely used (though it would be nice if we could use f2fs everywhere)
 and indeed, snap does not work on 3.4 kernels
 and whatever you mean by "just raw" is completely not understandable
 I think he tried to translate "сырая" from Russian, which means basic/alpha in slang
 @NotKit [I think he tried to translate "сырая" from Russian, which means basic/alpha in s …], yeap
 Sorry, I'm learning this language
 it is not ubuntu. it is ubuntu touch
 @dohbee [it is not ubuntu. it is ubuntu touch], I know but you say that it's like a traditional PC Ubuntu in your phone
 snap support really doesn't make sense because the goals of snap don't align with phones so much
 @liberacuriser [I know but you say that it's like a traditional PC Ubuntu in your phone], no i didn't. i said exactly the opposite. it is nothing like a traditional PC
 Oh, srry
 LoL
 and people who assume it is, will be disappointed by it
 @dohbee [it is not traditional PC ubuntu on your phone], I didn't saw "not"
 @dohbee [snap support really doesn't make sense because the goals of snap don't align wit …], but this is support for desktop applications
 x11 apps in snaps is an afterthought of snap design
 https://news.softpedia.com/news/watch-ubuntu-touch-running-on-the-pinephone-open-source-linux-smartphone-527685.shtml
 i suppose that can be allowed
 @hacker12455 [Well the biggest problem is that it does not compile at all for now], The screenshot or mock up looked impressive enough, I hope someone does jump on it, because it'll be a great app to have with us, it's one of the more popular messaging apps so not having it makes it harder to switch.
 @dohbee [snap support really doesn't make sense because the goals of snap don't align wit …], This statement confuses me, because snaps came from clicks, so my assumption would be that, snap is designed for phone, but expanded ability's that are designed around desktop. … What are problems that snaps give us that we don't have w
[20:46] <ubptgbot> ith click packages? I remember storage being mentioned, and I assume it'd probably add desktop only apps to the store, but I believe we could filter them with a tag or something, idk I haven't researched snaps to much, other than installing them on desktop, and when they first came out I looked into it a bit.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [This statement confuses me, because snaps came from clicks, so my assumption wou …], snaps did not come from clicks. so the assumption that they are directly related simply because the one came after the other, is the cause of your confusion
 snap was designed for IoT
 it basically shares nothing with clicks. really the only thing the two have in common, is that they are packaging formats
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 That's quite wild considering I thought they where so close
 One created the other, but through a removed process. The snap team took what they learned from clicks to create the format.
 It wasn't `git clone click`, but rather `git init`
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