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gryis it freaking serious? ubuntu hibernation option is off by default?05:00
lotuspsychjegry: hibernation is the users choice05:01
lotuspsychjeits not because you like it, everyone needs to sue it?05:01
lotuspsychjegry: also alot of brands suffer hibernation acpi bugs on linux, that needs to be solved first before working properly05:05
akemhpYeah, but still it would be better if there was an easy way to automaticly set the needed swap space, boot parameters disk ID/offset, and grub update, because you have to deal with command line and text editors. It can be annoying for lots of users i guess.05:55
lordievaderGood morning06:22
ducassegood morning06:46
akemhp_Good morning ;)06:46
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ducasse\o akemhp06:48
grylotuspsychje: is it planned to fix these bugs with hibernation in next release? a user was asking about why hibernate is missing in the channel yesterday?10:58
lotuspsychjegry: im affraid we cant generalize hibernate bugs, as they are brand specific10:59
gryok ok11:00
lotuspsychjesome brands will always get buggy on several ubuntu versions11:00
lotuspsychjewe often reccomend updating bios to latest and workarounds with acpi boot lines11:00
ubot5to debug ACPI issues on ubuntu make sure your bios is up to date and follow the procedure here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI11:00
BluesKajHey folks11:20
marcoagpintoBluesKaj!!!! Hello!!!!11:25
BluesKajhey marcoagpinto11:26
EoflaOEHow are you marcoagpinto?15:16
marcoagpintoI know i shouldn't be doing it, but I am drinking more cola :(((((((((((((15:16
marcoagpintowhat's up?15:16
EoflaOEI am doing fine.15:18
marcoagpintodoes Ubuntu allow to save directly in a disc?15:20
marcoagpintothe other day I went to help a person with his computer and Windows 10 records directly to CD with drag'n'dop15:20
lordcirthmarcoagpinto, save how? what do you want to do?15:20
marcoagpintowell, normal files15:21
marcoagpintoI have Nero, so I don't need it, but most people don't have commercial software15:21
lordcirthmarcoagpinto, so, just writing files onto a CD?15:22
marcoagpintoyes, with drag'n'drop15:22
lordcirthProbably. I don't think I've put files on a CD in at least 5 years.15:22
marcoagpintome neither :)15:23
marcoagpintoI just create .iso's now-a-days15:23
mgedminso either that's a CD-R and windows lets you drag'n'drop a bunch of files then hit a burn button somewhere to write them out15:23
marcoagpintono button15:23
mgedminor that CD-R (CD-RW?) is using the UDF filesystem, and I'm not sure Linux supports that15:23
marcoagpintoit copies to CD just as if it was a normal folder15:23
marcoagpintoand after we select eject it says "closing session to make it work in other PCs blah blah"15:24
mgedminwikipedia says Linux supports UDF in read-only mode only15:24
mgedminwait, for UDF revision 2.50/2.6015:25
mgedminit's read+write for UDF revision 1.02 throug 2.0x15:25
mgedminI find this table hard to read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format#Compatibility15:25
mgedminI don't know if the desktop & nautilus are smart enough to recognize a writeable UDF-formatted disk and allow you to copy files to it, though15:26
mgedminor how you'd go about formatting a blank CD-RW/CD-R disk as UDF15:26
mgedminbut now you know what technical terms to google!15:26
lordcirthapt-file search mkfs.udf: udftools15:27
mgedminhttps://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gparted/commit/5f327feb25bcb8b55ffa2eab1bb86d5f75d75fba was 2 years ago15:27
marcoagpintoNetBSD 5.0 has "yes" in all columns15:27
marcoagpintowhat is a NetBSD?15:28
mgedminbut "formatting optical disks is not supported yet"15:28
mgedminNetBSD is an OS, very much like Linux, except less popular15:28
mgedminmore oriented to servers than desktops15:28
marcoagpintowhen I bought my SSD drive for the 14'' laptop two years ago or so I thought it would become very fast for Windows and Ubuntu... but the computer manufacturers are still shipping SATA2 :((((((15:32
marcoagpintoso, it can only read up to 300 MB/sec and not 60015:33
mgedminI thought the primary advantage of SSDs was low seek latency (0 vs 10ms), not throughput?  my first SSD only did 100 MB/s (compared to the 40 MB/s HDD I had before), but it made my old laptop feel brand new at the time15:34
marcoagpintomgedmin: I know SSD is a lot faster than conventional HDD :) but I thought I had a SATA3 interface in the laptop15:35
marcoagpintoI was shocked when it said "sata2"15:35
mgedminmy current SSD does 1138.67 MB/sec according to hdparm -t -T /dev/nvme0n1, and I'm not sure if I believe it, or if hardware really has progressed that far15:37
mgedminthere's a "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" just before the result which doesn't make me trust hdparm15:37
marcoagpintomgedmin: NVMe does 2,5 GB/sec I believe15:37
marcoagpintoat least the SAMSUNG ones I read about15:38
marcoagpinto"3,500MB/s Seq. Read"15:41
marcoagpintoit would boot my OS in one second!15:43
lordcirthOptane is the fastest of all, though the price matches.15:43
lordcirthWe have some 1.5TB Optane NVMe for Ceph metadata & journals. It's good stuff.15:44
mgedminmodern software is amazing at taking all the speed advances hardware has made over the years and making it slow again15:45
lordcirth"software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster" :P15:45
marcoagpintolordcirth: What a good sentence to say in my exam :)15:46
marcoagpintoohhhhhhhhh... the prices dropped a lot15:51
marcoagpinto$150 for that SAMSUNG drive (512 GB)15:51
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EoflaOEmarcoagpinto I will get a SanDisk USB 3.0 drive.17:14
marcoagpintoEoflaOE: Why not a T5 SAMSUNG one?17:15
EoflaOEmarcoagpinto: Well, my local store doesn't have the T5 Samsung flash drive.17:16
marcoagpintoorder from Amazon17:16
EoflaOEmarcoagpinto: I would, but because I live in Syria (which still has a sanction to now), and don't have a credit card, I have no option.17:18
marcoagpintoI thought you lived in Europe17:18
EoflaOEOK marcoagpinto. I will look at its picture.17:19
EoflaOEWell, it's an SSD, but nice look.17:20
marcoagpintoyes, it is an SSD17:20
marcoagpintoI will probably buy it next year17:20
marcoagpintoOn Christmas I no longer need to buy a new mobile phone since a software update gave ~4 GB more free storage in it17:21
marcoagpintoI had less than 1 GB of storage free17:21
marcoagpintomy guess is that the Android update created temporary files and only now they were deleted17:22
EoflaOENice. To Android 10.0?17:22
marcoagpintoyears ago, from 6 to 717:23
EoflaOESo good. I am planning to buy the next Android tablet, this time, from Samsung.17:24
marcoagpintomy parents have Samsung, I only use Sony17:25
EoflaOEWhen I was Grade 4 in 2014, the school gave ever student a cheap Chinese tablet, XTouch F81: https://whatismyphone.com/vendors/xtouch/f81 Their website seems to be down.17:29
marcoagpintoI am not good at Android :)17:30
marcoagpintoI can't make many basic things in it17:30
EoflaOEOK. Guess what I changed in my blog.17:32
ubot5sysrq aliases: reisub - added by ompaul on 2008-09-12 20:29:51 - last edited by rww on 2016-02-16 19:59:1818:02
tomreyn!sysrq is <reply> In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing slowly, in succession, S, U and B. For an explanation, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key18:07
ubot5If your !tty is full of error messages, you can raise the kernel logging daemons' log level above the default of 4 (KERN_WARNING), e.g. by running "echo 7 | sudo tee -a /proc/sys/kernel/printk". More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelDebuggingTricks#printk_is_your_friend18:08
ubot5printk has no aliases - added by Unit193 on 2019-09-23 00:41:3118:08
tomreyn!printk is <reply> If your !tty is flooded with error messages, you can limit the kernel logging daemons' log level below the default of 4 (KERN_WARNING), e.g. by running "echo 3 | sudo tee -a /proc/sys/kernel/printk". More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelDebuggingTricks#printk_is_your_friend and syslog(2)18:15
tomreynthe diffs there are mostly this: sysrq: suggested pressing all of REISUB when only SUB works (due to the limiter that was introduced years ago to prevent physical attacks). printk: was previously wrong (my mistake), suggested raising the printk when it should be lowered.18:20
tomreynhttps://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/sysrq.rst would be the 'official' (but not necessarily newbie friendly) sysrq manual and /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf defines the restrictions of which keys are supported on ubuntu systems.18:35
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