[00:27] <OvenWerks> working on -controls again... keep finding bugs :P
[00:39] <Eickmeyer> filed any bugs?
[00:39] <OvenWerks> no, they can wait.
[00:39] <Eickmeyer> ok
[00:40] <OvenWerks> I have made too many changes to call anything just a bug fix.
[00:40] <OvenWerks>   :)
[01:17] <Eickmeyer> Gotcha. Excited to see what you've got!
[01:18] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: You around?
[01:23] <krytarik> Eickmeyer: Yeah, and it also recently occurred to me already that with eylul away and otherwise me being the sole admin and moderator of the mailing list, you should be on them too! :P
[01:24] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: That would be helpful. Thanks!
[01:25] <krytarik> Then you deal with Ralf there yourself. >_>
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: Also, eylul isn't exactly away, I just had a phone conversation the other day. She had some personal matters to attend to.
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I'm just done with his "holier-than-thou" attitude.
[01:26] <Eickmeyer> If he were actually contributing, sure, but he's not. He's just offering non-constructive criticism.
[01:26] <krytarik> Well, away is to me when someone doesn't show up for months, anyway.
[01:30] <Eickmeyer> Undertandable.
[01:36] <krytarik> Eickmeyer: But to be fair to Ralf, before banning or moderating him, I think you should express your discontent with his contributions to the mailing lists.
[01:39] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: I was thinking about that, but he's been warned several times in the past. Usually then he backs off for a few months and then returns after he feels things have cooled-off. We (myself and sakrecoer) have had discussions with him in the past and it's an ongoing problem. I'm just done.
[01:40] <Eickmeyer> Additionally, his behavior is problematic on other MLs, considering he has been banned from Linux Audio Users and the Arch (!) ML as well.
[01:42] <krytarik> Yeah, and as I remember, eylul mentioned to you earlier that he has been in moderation on ours for a while before too.
[01:43] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. It's an ongoing problem that just needs to be dealt with. He's had ample chances.
[01:52] <Eickmeyer> krytarik, OvenWerks: I will be sending an email and cc'ing you all as to why he's being removed.
 thanks eickmeyer. and no not surprised at all
 I had no idea he was already banned from arch and linuxaudio through
 Did you see his extremely defensive and hostile reaction? He made my case for me.
 @azbulutlu [I had no idea he was already banned from arch and linuxaudio through], He claims he was never banned from Arch.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> someone did a plot of the number of RM posts in LAU against people leaving.... it was pretty much 1 to 1
[16:49] <OvenWerks> heavily moderated at least in Arch
[16:50] <OvenWerks> banned for some periods I think, if not permanently
 Well, we don't need his toxicity. If you're going to point out problems and participate in the dev list, I want solutions proposed. He never presented one. Ever.
[16:51] <OvenWerks> or solutions that can not work in ubuntu
 Yep.