[09:53] <ktt___> Hello all. Lubuntu 19.10 beta (downloaded today) and VirtualBox 5 (as in Lubuntu 18.04): has someone managed to install the 19.10 beta into a virtual machine?
[09:54] <ktt___> In my experiments, the installation has now crashed twice and the virtual machine has just "aborted".
[09:54] <ktt___> 4096 MB memory, 4 cores, 40 GB disk.
[09:55] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[09:56] <tomreyn> i wouldn't recommend using virtualbox as packaged in ubuntu, though, better use kvm-qemu or upstreams' virtualbox packages.
[09:56] <tomreyn> there are numerous bugs in 5.x
[10:06] <ktt___> Ok, so it seems. On Windows, virtualbox 6.0, the installation went through pretty much fine. Now I'm installing Vbox 6.0 to Linux and testing there.
[17:59] <treekeko> snap installs dont work, how come?
 unless you've installed snapd you can't run snaps
 I don't think Lubuntu ships `snapd` by default
[18:00] <treekeko> app gets installed but wont run
 and you've tried to run it?
[18:00] <treekeko> wont run
[18:00] <treekeko> this output:
[18:00] <treekeko> /snap/jdownloader/7/wrapper: 3: /snap/jdownloader/7/wrapper: /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/bin/java: not found
[18:02] <treekeko> 2019/10/07 20:01:34.539984 cmd_linux.go:85: cannot open snapd info file "/snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/info": open /snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/info: permission denied
[18:03] <treekeko> (now - after installing snapd - i get the second one)
[18:03] <treekeko> snapd = snappy-debug ?
 no
 snapd is the thing that runs snaps
 you weren't precise with your issue earlier
 > /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/bin/java: not found < that's your issue with your jdownloader snap
 it needs Java available/installed and you don't have it installed
[18:04] <treekeko> because i installed snappy-debug but then it said snapd was installed
 you don't need snappy-debug.
 but you DO need Java installed
 which you don't seem to have installed based on that error
[18:05] <treekeko> so what is everything i must do now?
[18:06] <treekeko> now i only get the second one: 2019/10/07 20:01:34.539984 cmd_linux.go:85: cannot open snapd info file "/snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/info": open /snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/info: permission denied
[18:06] <treekeko> but i didnt install java
[18:06] <treekeko> what does this mean?
[18:07] <treekeko> is the java package called "java"
[18:08] <treekeko> ?
[18:09] <treekeko> so if i understood correctly i must first install java and then snapd, right?
 you already have snapd installed
 you need Java
[18:11] <treekeko> i think snaps should be made easier, they should work right away, i tried 4 or 5 and none worked right away...
 not all snaps are made the same
 nor does Lubuntu or Ubuntu have any control over them directly 😜
 you can attempt to install default-jre to see if that works
 but it might not with that version of JDownloader in the snap
[18:12] <treekeko> it might not?
[18:12] <treekeko> so how to do it?
 very hard to explain to a non-developer - but under the hood it may use Java things that're too old or too new depending on what's installed.
 try and install default-jre and see if it works
 if it still doesn't work/run then you'll have to contact the developers of that snap itself and get assistance from them
 because it could be a problem with the snap itself
[18:13] <treekeko> what about that wrapper thing, what does that mean?
 that's the program that is inside the snap being run.  Its error was actually stating this: /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/bin/java: not found
 which is why I said you don't have Java installed/available
[18:15] <treekeko> ok i'll try with default-jre
[18:15] <treekeko> thanks
[18:16] <treekeko> should i uninstall snappy-debug?
 yes
[18:17] <treekeko> what's the command to remove snap?
 `sudo apt remove snappy-debug`
 you don't need to remove snapd or the JDownloader snap necessarily though
[18:19] <treekeko> when you install snaps from the software center there's that permissions button... nothing needs to be done there?
[18:20] <treekeko> i havent touched it
[18:20] <tomreyn> no i dont think you need to change it
[18:21] <treekeko> ok thanks
[18:21] <tomreyn> those two options should be fine there by default https://i.imgur.com/o8sDwzp.png
[18:21] <treekeko> ok
[18:22] <tomreyn> but indeed this is not so useful:
[18:22] <tomreyn> x@x:~$ /snap/bin/jdownloader
[18:22] <tomreyn> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:22] <treekeko> i dont understand
[18:22] <treekeko> im beginner
[18:23] <tomreyn> it crashed on a default ubuntu installation
[18:23] <treekeko> i tried many snaps and none work
[18:23] <tomreyn> then i suggest you draw your own conclusions from that
[18:23] <treekeko> snap sucks :)
 or those snaps are built for newer OSes or other libraries and software that are not available for your system.  Or those specific snaps are just poor.
 ... or Lubuntu and Snaps just don't get along
 which is @tsimonq2's viewpoint on the subject
[18:24] <treekeko> life was easier before (snaps)
[18:25] <treekeko> also i dont understand why some software is only available as snaps
[18:25] <treekeko> some has both options, but some only snaps
[18:26] <treekeko> we need lubuntu to be easy if we want it to conquer the world :)
[18:26] <treekeko> this stuff is too complicated for most people
[18:27] <treekeko> including me
[18:27] <treekeko> :)
[18:28] <treekeko> we just need it to press the button and work right away, like everything was before
 snaps supposedly are made for simplicity for the developer. \me don't like snaps so can't help, consumes to much resources.
[18:31] <treekeko> ok im going, thanks all