[10:40] <ktt___> Hello. I experimented 19.10 with VirtualBox 6.0, under both Linux and Windows. On Linux (Lubuntu 18.04), the installation crashes so severely, that it takes the whole VirtualBox with it.
[10:41] <ktt___> On Windows then, the installation goes through well. On both sides, I defined 4GB memory, 40 GB disk and 4 processors.
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: at wich point did it crash, and was it the 19.10 beta iso you tested?
[10:42] <ktt___> Yes, 19.10 beta, downloaded today.
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> allright
[10:42] <ktt___> It was on "Filling up filesystems", on 18%.
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: did you compare with a live session, instead of the install?
[10:43] <ktt___> On the Linux side, with VirtualBox 5.0, the virtual machine just crashed. But when I installed VirtualBox 6.0, it took the whole machine with it for about 5 minutes.
[10:43] <ktt___> The live session works just about ok.
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox bionic
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: did you install vbox from a ppa?
[10:44] <ktt___> The 5.0 was from Lubuntu 18.04 ppa, and the 6.0 was from Virtualbox own ppa
[10:45] <ktt___> virtualbox-6.0/unknown,now 6.0.12-133076~Ubuntu~bionic amd64 [installed]
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: we cannot support packages from external ppa, and we highly reccomend using package versions specific for your ubuntu version
[10:45] <ktt___> Yes, with the 5.0 version, from the 18.04 repo, it crashed also.
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: could you check if you get crashes from the 18.04 vbox?
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[10:45] <ktt___> yes
[10:46] <ktt___> On the 18.04 repo version, the crash was "better" as it did not freeze the host machine.
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: how about you reach the live session first, then open a bunch of debug methods, like: journalctl -f
[10:46] <ktt___> On which version, 6.0 or 5.0?
[10:46] <ktt___> Virtualbox I mean
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: try also starting vbox from a terminal in lubuntu, maybe we can catch useful errors
[10:47] <ktt___> That is what I have done
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: we can only support you with the official package versions
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> 5.2 for bionic
[10:47] <tomreyn> there's #vbox also which is virtualbox's support channel
[10:47] <ktt___> OK, I'll get back to the official PPA version
[10:48] <ktt___> This is more like 19.10 issue, as I have used the VirtualBox (18.04 PPA version) happily for many other purposes, including runnign Windows 10.
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: lets find out on the journal logs, maybe its soemwhere in ubiquity
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> the more you can pastebin us, the better volunteers can take a look/debug
[10:49] <tomreyn> i'm using virtualbox's upstream packages with a 19.10 beta just fine, but as lotuspsychje pointed out, that's off topic here.
[10:49] <ktt___> Yes. Just a while, I'll get back to 18.04 ppa version.
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: your harddisk doesnt have IO warnings on the physical install for example?
[10:50] <ktt___> I'm not able to make physical install on the 19.10 beta
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: can you also give us info about what kind of partitioning you chosen?
[10:51] <ktt___> The default i.e. everything to installation
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: no what i mean is, your 18.04 physical install was lubuntu right? your hd isnt failing or so?
[10:52] <tomreyn> when you say "18.04 ppa version", do you mean the version of virtualbox that is part of ubuntu (universe repository, so not a PPA)?
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> just brainstorming what could freeze your setup
[10:52] <ktt___> My computer is having 18.04 physical install yes. There are no HDD or other HW related problems.
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[10:53] <ktt___> By the "18.04 ppa" version I mean, that I'm just using the Ubuntu normal repository, no any external PPA
[10:53] <ktt___> sorry aobut that
[10:54] <tomreyn> no problem, i'm just making sure i understand your setup
[10:55] <tomreyn> a PPA is really just what's hosted on ppa.launchpad.net, other repositories we call either 'ubuntu archives' (the official ones) and 'third party repositories'
[10:58] <tomreyn> i rmemeber now i also had some issues installing the 19.10 amd64 desktop beta on vbox 6.0 running on ubuntu 18.04 amd64 (5.0 HWE kernel) initially. what i did to make it work was to enable 3d acceleration and increase vram above 64 MB
[10:58] <ktt___> Now I have VirtualBox 5.2.32_Ubuntu r132056 installed. The virtual machine has again 4GB RAM, 40 GB HDD, 4 processors, and CD-ROM was mounted as Lubuntu 19.04beta (eoan-desktop-amd64.iso, md5sum 22a86982e86962d1907e9f785172e6a7, downloaded today)
[11:00] <tomreyn> hmm this mad5sum matches neither yesterdays' nor todays' daily-live
[11:01] <tomreyn> i'm looking at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ and more specifically at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20191007/MD5SUMS and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20191006/MD5SUMS
[11:01] <ktt___> It was downloaded from here: https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ --> 19.10 Eoan Ermine Dailies, Desktop 64-bit
[11:01] <tomreyn> oh *l*ubuntu
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> oh..
[11:02] <ktt___> Yes
[11:02] <ktt___> I'm using L ubuntu as I still hate the new Gnome
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: you should have mentioned it was a lubuntu daily
[11:02] <ktt___> Yes I mentioned :)  on the first coment
[11:02] <ktt___> sorry not in this channel, I was first on the #ubuntu channel.....
[11:02] <ktt___> from there I was instructed to come here
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: you say there you were 'on linux lubuntu 18.04'?
[11:03] <ktt___> Yes. The host computer is Linux Lubuntu 18.04.
[11:03] <tomreyn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20191006/MD5SUMS matches your MD5SUM
[11:04] <tomreyn> have you also tried the beta?
[11:04] <tomreyn> since the dailies are untested snapshots
[11:05] <tomreyn> beta downloads as found on https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/19.10/beta/lubuntu-19.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/19.10/beta/MD5SUMS
[11:06] <ktt___> Ok, not yet. On the Download page, it was mentioned, that dailies are recommended. :)  I'll check the beta.
[11:06] <ktt___> Do you need some information from the virtual machine instance? 
[11:06] <tomreyn> oh right, it says "recommended"
[11:07] <tomreyn> ...for the dailies
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> i wonder why they say that?
[11:08] <tomreyn> the only situation i can think of is that they tested the beta and found it to be broken
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> right
[11:13] <ktt___> I'll try to configure this live image instance so, that it redirects its syslog to my host computer, so we would get the syslog from the moment of crash.
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> ktt___: use journalctl -f instead
[11:14] <ktt___> No use, as when the installation crashes, the VirtualBox window disappears.
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> or maybe start ubiquity setup from a terminal aswell
[11:15] <ktt___> Ok now the syslog streams to my host computer
[11:17] <tomreyn> i'm just installing using the same image you used (matching md5), using upstream virtualbox Version 6.0.12 r133076, host is ubuntu 18.04.3 (fully patched) with kernel 5.0 (from LTSE). guest specifications are: BIOS installation, 1 GB RAM, 10 GB storage (dynamic allocation), everything else is default.
[11:17] <tomreyn> it was also very busy at the 18% step but got past it
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> tnx for testing tomreyn 
[11:17] <tomreyn> so the 18% step is when the storage buffer runs full and the host actually gets to shell it out to disk, i guess.
[11:17] <tomreyn> namely much I/O is going there.
[11:18] <ktt___> Ok, now I have enabled openssh server on the live CD, so I get the journalctl output to host machine also
[11:18] <ktt___> What else would you want to be streamed?
[11:19] <tomreyn> as long as you catch the host and guest kernel and vbox logs that's probably good enough
[11:19] <tomreyn> there's probably also an installer log at /var/log/installer on the guests' installer target device
[11:20] <tomreyn> but if the VM process crashes this is probably not so relevant.
[11:21] <tomreyn> did you install in bios or uefi mode?
[11:22] <tomreyn> ktt___: ^
[11:24] <ktt___> Bios most likely
[11:24] <ktt___> I'm just selecting default settings from Virtualbox
[11:24] <tomreyn> yes bios would be default
[11:25] <tomreyn> i'll retry with 4 cpu cores and 4 gb ram as you did
[11:26] <ktt___> Now the installation started. It reached 18%, on the logs it says, that it mounted sda with EXT4-fs.
[11:26] <ktt___> My Lubuntu host computer is now frozen.
[11:27] <ktt___> And now the virtual machine crashed and died.
[11:28] <tomreyn> oh even the host freezes, i hadn't seen this mentioned. then #lubuntu or #ubuntu would actually be the right place to discuss this part (but i also dont want to chase you around more)
[11:29] <ktt___> The last log lines from the Virtual client are:
[11:29] <ktt___> Oct  7 11:25:40 lubuntu kernel: [ 1768.943132]  sda:
[11:29] <ktt___> lubuntu kernel: [ 1770.010583] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[11:29] <ktt___> thread 1610 of process 1549.
[11:30] <ktt___> After the "Demoted 3 threads" the virtual client froze, it just hogged all resources. The host killed the process.
[11:30] <tomreyn> good job, host.
[11:30] <ktt___> I need to go for lunch now.... I'll get back here after 30 minutes or so.
[11:31] <tomreyn> so it seems the issue you're seeing is really with virtualbox.
[11:31] <tomreyn> my second installation worked fine, too.
[11:31] <ktt___> And specificly, on Linux virtualbox. On WIndows host, it worked.
[11:31] <ktt___> Hmm, I could test on another host, also having Lubuntu 18.04. I'll check that after lunch.
[11:35] <tomreyn> good plan, could be buggy firmware bug, defective hardware etc.
[11:36] <tomreyn> s/bug,/,/
[12:05] <ktt___> Now the installation is proceeding on another Lubuntu 18.04 host. It is running the same VIrtualbox version as the other one. Installation went past 18% happily.
[12:07] <ktt___> This kind of randomness is annoying. :(
[12:09] <ktt___> And the installation went through fine.
[12:27] <tomreyn> ktt___: do a firmware (bios/uefi) upgrade on the system where it fails, might fix it if it's an issue with the VT-x / AMD-V implementation there.
[14:11] <Sbur3> I'm back with the upgrade issues.  Did a partial upgrade to 19.10. Now the system refuses to run.  I have a Live CD running. Where the keyboard didn't permit me to go into shell in the broken system, it works in the Live CD. The question is "Can I recover and repair the system with my Live CD?"
[14:12] <Sbur3> I see that TJ- and tomreyn are there
[14:12] <Sbur3> from yesterday
[14:14] <Sbur3> TJ-: Hi, how are you doing ... and can you have patience with me today?
[14:14] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Same question for you
[14:19] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[14:32] <jatt> on eon upgrade I'm getting http://dpaste.com/33PHJ6N
[14:32] <jatt> is this a known issue?
[14:34] <tomreyn> it's probably just what it suggests it could be, a mirror sync in progress.
[14:35] <tomreyn> you could try a different mirror server in the meantime.
[14:35] <jatt> ok thanks will try later then
[14:36] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[18:28] <Aavar> When is a good time to upgrade to 19.10 to minimize the possibility of a failure? Im a keen to upgrade, but not if it breaks my system :)
[18:29] <lordcirth_> Aavar, after it releases? Depends on your threshold.
[18:29] <Aavar> lordcirth_: Yeah, but should I wait longer that that?
[18:30] <Aavar> I'm on 19.04 now.
[18:30] <lordcirth_> A week or two, maybe.
[18:30] <Aavar> lordcirth_: ok, thanx :)
[19:52] <denza252> Hi, will *ubuntu 19.10 have support for Zen2?
[19:52] <denza252> specifically the 3700U if that makes any difference 
[19:52] <lordcirth_> denza252, Zen2 has been supported at least since kernel 4.21
[19:52] <lordcirth_> Or 5.0, as it was released as.
[19:53] <denza252> ah ok, and the RX Vega 10?
[19:53] <denza252> I assume that too is supported but i just want to make sure
[19:55] <lordcirth_> It looks like support for that came out a while ago.
[19:57] <denza252> Alrighty, thank you. I am looking forward to putting Kubuntu 19.10 on my shiny new lappy. Good luck with the release and such!
[20:07] <tomreyn> denza252: you can try the beta or a daily already, if you already have the hardware
[20:08] <denza252> it's en route, i think it'll come a day or two before the release and such
[20:09] <tomreyn> ah nice, have a nice early christmas eve (or whatever similar event you may have there) ;)
[20:10] <denza252> Thank you