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| ktt___ | Hello. I experimented 19.10 with VirtualBox 6.0, under both Linux and Windows. On Linux (Lubuntu 18.04), the installation crashes so severely, that it takes the whole VirtualBox with it. | 10:40 |
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| ktt___ | On Windows then, the installation goes through well. On both sides, I defined 4GB memory, 40 GB disk and 4 processors. | 10:41 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: at wich point did it crash, and was it the 19.10 beta iso you tested? | 10:42 |
| ktt___ | Yes, 19.10 beta, downloaded today. | 10:42 |
| lotuspsychje | allright | 10:42 |
| ktt___ | It was on "Filling up filesystems", on 18%. | 10:42 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: did you compare with a live session, instead of the install? | 10:43 |
| ktt___ | On the Linux side, with VirtualBox 5.0, the virtual machine just crashed. But when I installed VirtualBox 6.0, it took the whole machine with it for about 5 minutes. | 10:43 |
| ktt___ | The live session works just about ok. | 10:43 |
| lotuspsychje | !info virtualbox bionic | 10:44 |
| ubottu | virtualbox (source: virtualbox): x86 virtualization solution - base binaries. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 5.2.32-dfsg-0~ubuntu18.04.1 (bionic), package size 16828 kB, installed size 77924 kB | 10:44 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: did you install vbox from a ppa? | 10:44 |
| ktt___ | The 5.0 was from Lubuntu 18.04 ppa, and the 6.0 was from Virtualbox own ppa | 10:44 |
| ktt___ | virtualbox-6.0/unknown,now 6.0.12-133076~Ubuntu~bionic amd64 [installed] | 10:45 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: we cannot support packages from external ppa, and we highly reccomend using package versions specific for your ubuntu version | 10:45 |
| ktt___ | Yes, with the 5.0 version, from the 18.04 repo, it crashed also. | 10:45 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: could you check if you get crashes from the 18.04 vbox? | 10:45 |
| lotuspsychje | ok tnx | 10:45 |
| ktt___ | yes | 10:45 |
| ktt___ | On the 18.04 repo version, the crash was "better" as it did not freeze the host machine. | 10:46 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: how about you reach the live session first, then open a bunch of debug methods, like: journalctl -f | 10:46 |
| ktt___ | On which version, 6.0 or 5.0? | 10:46 |
| ktt___ | Virtualbox I mean | 10:46 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: try also starting vbox from a terminal in lubuntu, maybe we can catch useful errors | 10:47 |
| ktt___ | That is what I have done | 10:47 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: we can only support you with the official package versions | 10:47 |
| lotuspsychje | 5.2 for bionic | 10:47 |
| tomreyn | there's #vbox also which is virtualbox's support channel | 10:47 |
| ktt___ | OK, I'll get back to the official PPA version | 10:47 |
| ktt___ | This is more like 19.10 issue, as I have used the VirtualBox (18.04 PPA version) happily for many other purposes, including runnign Windows 10. | 10:48 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: lets find out on the journal logs, maybe its soemwhere in ubiquity | 10:48 |
| lotuspsychje | the more you can pastebin us, the better volunteers can take a look/debug | 10:49 |
| tomreyn | i'm using virtualbox's upstream packages with a 19.10 beta just fine, but as lotuspsychje pointed out, that's off topic here. | 10:49 |
| ktt___ | Yes. Just a while, I'll get back to 18.04 ppa version. | 10:49 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: your harddisk doesnt have IO warnings on the physical install for example? | 10:50 |
| ktt___ | I'm not able to make physical install on the 19.10 beta | 10:50 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: can you also give us info about what kind of partitioning you chosen? | 10:51 |
| ktt___ | The default i.e. everything to installation | 10:51 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: no what i mean is, your 18.04 physical install was lubuntu right? your hd isnt failing or so? | 10:51 |
| tomreyn | when you say "18.04 ppa version", do you mean the version of virtualbox that is part of ubuntu (universe repository, so not a PPA)? | 10:52 |
| lotuspsychje | just brainstorming what could freeze your setup | 10:52 |
| ktt___ | My computer is having 18.04 physical install yes. There are no HDD or other HW related problems. | 10:52 |
| lotuspsychje | ok tnx | 10:52 |
| ktt___ | By the "18.04 ppa" version I mean, that I'm just using the Ubuntu normal repository, no any external PPA | 10:53 |
| ktt___ | sorry aobut that | 10:53 |
| tomreyn | no problem, i'm just making sure i understand your setup | 10:54 |
| tomreyn | a PPA is really just what's hosted on ppa.launchpad.net, other repositories we call either 'ubuntu archives' (the official ones) and 'third party repositories' | 10:55 |
| tomreyn | i rmemeber now i also had some issues installing the 19.10 amd64 desktop beta on vbox 6.0 running on ubuntu 18.04 amd64 (5.0 HWE kernel) initially. what i did to make it work was to enable 3d acceleration and increase vram above 64 MB | 10:58 |
| ktt___ | Now I have VirtualBox 5.2.32_Ubuntu r132056 installed. The virtual machine has again 4GB RAM, 40 GB HDD, 4 processors, and CD-ROM was mounted as Lubuntu 19.04beta (eoan-desktop-amd64.iso, md5sum 22a86982e86962d1907e9f785172e6a7, downloaded today) | 10:58 |
| tomreyn | hmm this mad5sum matches neither yesterdays' nor todays' daily-live | 11:00 |
| tomreyn | i'm looking at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ and more specifically at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20191007/MD5SUMS and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20191006/MD5SUMS | 11:01 |
| ktt___ | It was downloaded from here: https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ --> 19.10 Eoan Ermine Dailies, Desktop 64-bit | 11:01 |
| tomreyn | oh *l*ubuntu | 11:01 |
| lotuspsychje | oh.. | 11:02 |
| ktt___ | Yes | 11:02 |
| ktt___ | I'm using L ubuntu as I still hate the new Gnome | 11:02 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: you should have mentioned it was a lubuntu daily | 11:02 |
| ktt___ | Yes I mentioned :) on the first coment | 11:02 |
| ktt___ | sorry not in this channel, I was first on the #ubuntu channel..... | 11:02 |
| ktt___ | from there I was instructed to come here | 11:02 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: you say there you were 'on linux lubuntu 18.04'? | 11:03 |
| ktt___ | Yes. The host computer is Linux Lubuntu 18.04. | 11:03 |
| tomreyn | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20191006/MD5SUMS matches your MD5SUM | 11:03 |
| tomreyn | have you also tried the beta? | 11:04 |
| tomreyn | since the dailies are untested snapshots | 11:04 |
| tomreyn | beta downloads as found on https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/19.10/beta/lubuntu-19.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/19.10/beta/MD5SUMS | 11:05 |
| ktt___ | Ok, not yet. On the Download page, it was mentioned, that dailies are recommended. :) I'll check the beta. | 11:06 |
| ktt___ | Do you need some information from the virtual machine instance? | 11:06 |
| tomreyn | oh right, it says "recommended" | 11:06 |
| tomreyn | ...for the dailies | 11:07 |
| lotuspsychje | i wonder why they say that? | 11:07 |
| tomreyn | the only situation i can think of is that they tested the beta and found it to be broken | 11:08 |
| lotuspsychje | right | 11:08 |
| ktt___ | I'll try to configure this live image instance so, that it redirects its syslog to my host computer, so we would get the syslog from the moment of crash. | 11:13 |
| lotuspsychje | ktt___: use journalctl -f instead | 11:13 |
| ktt___ | No use, as when the installation crashes, the VirtualBox window disappears. | 11:14 |
| lotuspsychje | or maybe start ubiquity setup from a terminal aswell | 11:14 |
| ktt___ | Ok now the syslog streams to my host computer | 11:15 |
| tomreyn | i'm just installing using the same image you used (matching md5), using upstream virtualbox Version 6.0.12 r133076, host is ubuntu 18.04.3 (fully patched) with kernel 5.0 (from LTSE). guest specifications are: BIOS installation, 1 GB RAM, 10 GB storage (dynamic allocation), everything else is default. | 11:17 |
| tomreyn | it was also very busy at the 18% step but got past it | 11:17 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx for testing tomreyn | 11:17 |
| tomreyn | so the 18% step is when the storage buffer runs full and the host actually gets to shell it out to disk, i guess. | 11:17 |
| tomreyn | namely much I/O is going there. | 11:17 |
| ktt___ | Ok, now I have enabled openssh server on the live CD, so I get the journalctl output to host machine also | 11:18 |
| ktt___ | What else would you want to be streamed? | 11:18 |
| tomreyn | as long as you catch the host and guest kernel and vbox logs that's probably good enough | 11:19 |
| tomreyn | there's probably also an installer log at /var/log/installer on the guests' installer target device | 11:19 |
| tomreyn | but if the VM process crashes this is probably not so relevant. | 11:20 |
| tomreyn | did you install in bios or uefi mode? | 11:21 |
| tomreyn | ktt___: ^ | 11:22 |
| ktt___ | Bios most likely | 11:24 |
| ktt___ | I'm just selecting default settings from Virtualbox | 11:24 |
| tomreyn | yes bios would be default | 11:24 |
| tomreyn | i'll retry with 4 cpu cores and 4 gb ram as you did | 11:25 |
| ktt___ | Now the installation started. It reached 18%, on the logs it says, that it mounted sda with EXT4-fs. | 11:26 |
| ktt___ | My Lubuntu host computer is now frozen. | 11:26 |
| ktt___ | And now the virtual machine crashed and died. | 11:27 |
| tomreyn | oh even the host freezes, i hadn't seen this mentioned. then #lubuntu or #ubuntu would actually be the right place to discuss this part (but i also dont want to chase you around more) | 11:28 |
| ktt___ | The last log lines from the Virtual client are: | 11:29 |
| ktt___ | Oct 7 11:25:40 lubuntu kernel: [ 1768.943132] sda: | 11:29 |
| ktt___ | lubuntu kernel: [ 1770.010583] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) | 11:29 |
| ktt___ | thread 1610 of process 1549. | 11:29 |
| ktt___ | After the "Demoted 3 threads" the virtual client froze, it just hogged all resources. The host killed the process. | 11:30 |
| tomreyn | good job, host. | 11:30 |
| ktt___ | I need to go for lunch now.... I'll get back here after 30 minutes or so. | 11:30 |
| tomreyn | so it seems the issue you're seeing is really with virtualbox. | 11:31 |
| tomreyn | my second installation worked fine, too. | 11:31 |
| ktt___ | And specificly, on Linux virtualbox. On WIndows host, it worked. | 11:31 |
| ktt___ | Hmm, I could test on another host, also having Lubuntu 18.04. I'll check that after lunch. | 11:31 |
| tomreyn | good plan, could be buggy firmware bug, defective hardware etc. | 11:35 |
| tomreyn | s/bug,/,/ | 11:36 |
| ktt___ | Now the installation is proceeding on another Lubuntu 18.04 host. It is running the same VIrtualbox version as the other one. Installation went past 18% happily. | 12:05 |
| ktt___ | This kind of randomness is annoying. :( | 12:07 |
| ktt___ | And the installation went through fine. | 12:09 |
| tomreyn | ktt___: do a firmware (bios/uefi) upgrade on the system where it fails, might fix it if it's an issue with the VT-x / AMD-V implementation there. | 12:27 |
| Sbur3 | I'm back with the upgrade issues. Did a partial upgrade to 19.10. Now the system refuses to run. I have a Live CD running. Where the keyboard didn't permit me to go into shell in the broken system, it works in the Live CD. The question is "Can I recover and repair the system with my Live CD?" | 14:11 |
| Sbur3 | I see that TJ- and tomreyn are there | 14:12 |
| Sbur3 | from yesterday | 14:12 |
| Sbur3 | TJ-: Hi, how are you doing ... and can you have patience with me today? | 14:14 |
| Sbur3 | tomreyn: Same question for you | 14:14 |
| tomreyn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure | 14:19 |
| jatt | on eon upgrade I'm getting http://dpaste.com/33PHJ6N | 14:32 |
| jatt | is this a known issue? | 14:32 |
| tomreyn | it's probably just what it suggests it could be, a mirror sync in progress. | 14:34 |
| tomreyn | you could try a different mirror server in the meantime. | 14:35 |
| jatt | ok thanks will try later then | 14:35 |
| tomreyn | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors | 14:36 |
| Aavar | When is a good time to upgrade to 19.10 to minimize the possibility of a failure? Im a keen to upgrade, but not if it breaks my system :) | 18:28 |
| lordcirth_ | Aavar, after it releases? Depends on your threshold. | 18:29 |
| Aavar | lordcirth_: Yeah, but should I wait longer that that? | 18:29 |
| Aavar | I'm on 19.04 now. | 18:30 |
| lordcirth_ | A week or two, maybe. | 18:30 |
| Aavar | lordcirth_: ok, thanx :) | 18:30 |
| denza252 | Hi, will *ubuntu 19.10 have support for Zen2? | 19:52 |
| denza252 | specifically the 3700U if that makes any difference | 19:52 |
| lordcirth_ | denza252, Zen2 has been supported at least since kernel 4.21 | 19:52 |
| lordcirth_ | Or 5.0, as it was released as. | 19:52 |
| denza252 | ah ok, and the RX Vega 10? | 19:53 |
| denza252 | I assume that too is supported but i just want to make sure | 19:53 |
| lordcirth_ | It looks like support for that came out a while ago. | 19:55 |
| denza252 | Alrighty, thank you. I am looking forward to putting Kubuntu 19.10 on my shiny new lappy. Good luck with the release and such! | 19:57 |
| tomreyn | denza252: you can try the beta or a daily already, if you already have the hardware | 20:07 |
| denza252 | it's en route, i think it'll come a day or two before the release and such | 20:08 |
| tomreyn | ah nice, have a nice early christmas eve (or whatever similar event you may have there) ;) | 20:09 |
| denza252 | Thank you | 20:10 |
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